lets put aside our inner fanboyism and rely on historical facts. GAMEPLAY: this is what makes the Halo franchise so popular along with its mp mode of course. its so smooth and flawlessly put together. Killzone 2's though was boring and unbalanced with broken controls. CONTROLS: Everybody even the die-hard PS3 fanboys complained about the broken and ridiculous controls of killzone 2. they tried to be good and such, but failed at being unique. HALO 3 on the other hand had perfectly easy to learn controls but very difficult to master. GRAPHICS: Halo Reach looks a lot more impressive than Killzone 3, technically and visually, taking into account its huge open-world and massive improvements and forge, rocket launhgers etc. SALES: Halo 3 sold more in like a week than killzone 2 did in its lifetime, LOL, I think we know whos gonna win the SALES department. Halo reach will destroy Killzone 3 and will sell 10 million, whereas Killzone 3 will struggle to hit 2 million. LONGEVITY: Halo 3 had million players 2 years after its release, whereas Killzone 2 fell off the charts 1 month after its release. lol Multiplayer: let's not be foolish here. Killzone 2's MP was dead and buried 2 months after the game's release, it's full of glitches, bugs and unblanaced controls and gameplay and most of all it's unbalanced ( the whole system ) and very boring. MUSIC: Halo has the respected team working to create the atmospheric and legendary soundtracks that fit well with the environment and characters. CHARACTERS: MASTER CHIEF has been cited as an icon for today's video games, do people even know the KIllzone 2 guy? lol, HALO has the best characters known to man, with the immersive MASTER CHIEF and the super hot CORTANA. So it's safe to say that Halo reach will own Killzone 3 and embarass it.
Historical facts? I'm sorry, but those are all opinions, excluding sales (I don't even know if your sales statement is true either as you provided no link, but I'm too lazy to look it up).
Graphically HR is clearly not on the same level as KZ3, its impressive in its own right but KZ3, at least to me, does look better. Controls are a personal taste and are being fixed for the sequel. The gameplay is one of the reasons KZ2 was rated so highly having a 90+ metacritic rating (I believe) and an AAA scoring right here on the home turf. Sales are irrelevant, both games got a sequel so as far as a gamer should be concerned thats about all that matters. Music you dont know, characters are also something we dont know, simply because not having played these titles, how can you judge?
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That does leave you with one thing which is multiplayer. Bungie is filling their game stock full with multiplayer features and in that regard (based on what we know now) HR is better then KZ3. The beta was loved and downloaded by millions, and things like forge world, fire fight and all their arena additions will make sure that HR stays played for quite a while past release.
Historical facts? I'm sorry, but those are all opinions, excluding sales (I don't even know if your sales statement is true either as you provided no link, but I'm too lazy to look it up).
StealthMonkey4
Sales, scores and quality Halo destroyes Killzone 3
[QUOTE="Cook1eMonst3r"]lets put aside our inner fanboyism and rely on historical facts. QUOTE] You lost me there. That entire post was pure fanboyism. Imo halo reach will be better. Ive never played a killzone game. Ive also never played killzone 3 or halo reach so there is no way of knowing what is better.
likely, whats funny is all the footage shown for killzone 3 seems to show its copied most of its new ideas from the earliest footage of halo reach, jetpacks, new melee attack system...ect
[QUOTE="Cook1eMonst3r"] Sales, scores and quality Halo destroyes Killzone 3 On Metacritic, KZ2 = 91, Halo 3 = 94. I fail to see the "destruction". Quality would be a shoot off of those reviews so again I fail to see your point. Finally why do you personally, as a gamer, care about sales? Both titles sold enough to have both people always online to play with, and warrant a sequel. Basically as far as a your enjoyment is concerned past a certain point sales just dont matter...
Graphically HR is clearly not on the same level as KZ3, its impressive in its own right but KZ3, at least to me, does look better. Controls are a personal taste and are being fixed for the sequel. The gameplay is one of the reasons KZ2 was rated so highly having a 90+ metacritic rating (I believe) and an AAA scoring right here on the home turf. Sales are irrelevant, both games got a sequel so as far as a gamer should be concerned thats about all that matters. Music you dont know, characters are also something we dont know, simply because not having played these titles, how can you judge?
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That does leave you with one thing which is multiplayer. Bungie is filling their game stock full with multiplayer features and in that regard (based on what we know now) HR is better then KZ3. The beta was loved and downloaded by millions, and things like forge world, fire fight and all their arena additions will make sure that HR stays played for quite a while past release.designer-
Not saying I agree with this thread, but yes, yes we do. Nothing Sony or Guerrilla pull together will top Marty's music. (plus we've heard quite a bit of Reachs soundtrack from trailers/the beta)
Historical facts? I'm sorry, but those are all opinions, excluding sales (I don't even know if your sales statement is true either as you provided no link, but I'm too lazy to look it up).
Cook1eMonst3r
Sales, scores and quality Halo destroyes Killzone 3 those things don't mean jack squat to me, i have fun playing halo only in 4 player splitcreen i have fun with killzone 2 playing alone online, the killzone 2 leveling system is simple and genius and the classes are pretty cool. halo has been here longer than killzone has so of course the install base is larger but i'm no fanboy but i'm more excited for killzone 3 than i am for reach but thats just me.
likely, whats funny is all the footage shown for killzone 3 seems to show its copied most of its new ideas from the earliest footage of halo reach, jetpacks, new melee attack system...ect
WilliamRLBaker
who cares both will still be fun.And imitation is the sincerest form of flattery :P
Historical facts? I'm sorry, but those are all opinions, excluding sales (I don't even know if your sales statement is true either as you provided no link, but I'm too lazy to look it up).
Cook1eMonst3r
Sales, scores and quality Halo destroyes Killzone 3
Sales is the only thing Halo has, not that it affects quality at all. And Halo 3 was only 3 points higher than Killzone 2 (Metacritic), it doesn't mean HR will be higher than Killzone 3.
[QUOTE="designer-"][QUOTE="Cook1eMonst3r"] Sales, scores and quality Halo destroyes Killzone 3 On Metacritic, KZ2 = 91, Halo 3 = 94. I fail to see the "destruction". Quality would be a shoot off of those reviews so again I fail to see your point. Finally why do you personally, as a gamer, care about sales? Both titles sold enough to have both people always online to play with, and warrant a sequel. Basically as far as a your enjoyment is concerned past a certain point sales just dont matter... I compare entire KZ franchise to determine whether Killzone 3 will be better than Reach. Lets not forget the FAILURE that was the first Killzone, Aka the HALO KILLER.
likely, whats funny is all the footage shown for killzone 3 seems to show its copied most of its new ideas from the earliest footage of halo reach, jetpacks, new melee attack system...ect
WilliamRLBaker
Exactly my thought, it's shame GG cant be original and must copy their superior counter-parts.
CHARACTERS: MASTER CHIEF has been cited as an icon for today's video games, do people even know the KIllzone 2 guy? lol, HALO has the best characters known to man, with the immersive MASTER CHIEF and the super hot CORTANA. .Cook1eMonst3r
No, just no :|
Mastercheif is a terrible character that is almost completely void of emotions and personality, and Cortana is a blue A.I so im not sure how anyone could think she's hot
[QUOTE="designer-"][QUOTE="Cook1eMonst3r"] Sales, scores and quality Halo destroyes Killzone 3Cook1eMonst3r
On Metacritic, KZ2 = 91, Halo 3 = 94. I fail to see the "destruction". Quality would be a shoot off of those reviews so again I fail to see your point. Finally why do you personally, as a gamer, care about sales? Both titles sold enough to have both people always online to play with, and warrant a sequel. Basically as far as a your enjoyment is concerned past a certain point sales just dont matter... I compare entire KZ franchise to determine whether Killzone 3 will be better than Reach. Lets not forget the FAILURE that was the first Killzone, Aka the HALO KILLER.
Well, you could also look at it from the perspective that they vastly improved from KZ1 to KZ2 and that there will be another vast improvement from KZ2 to KZ3. the original Killzone has nothing to do with the quality of the third...
likely, whats funny is all the footage shown for killzone 3 seems to show its copied most of its new ideas from the earliest footage of halo reach, jetpacks, new melee attack system...ect
WilliamRLBaker
How would they have pulled this off? The game would have been in development much before any of these videos came to surface and with levels designed around Jetpack use its just not possible for them to "copy". The melee system is quite different to the assassinations of HR and seems like a natural extension of gameplay (more so then assassinations even). If they did copy why point fingers at Halo Reach and not at say tribes, or any number of titles that have much more similar melee systems that are out and about already....
[QUOTE="Cook1eMonst3r"]CHARACTERS: MASTER CHIEF has been cited as an icon for today's video games, do people even know the KIllzone 2 guy? lol, HALO has the best characters known to man, with the immersive MASTER CHIEF and the super hot CORTANA. .toast_burner
No, just no :|
Mastercheif is a terrible character that is almost completely void of emotions and personality, and Cortana is a blue A.I so im not sure how anyone could think she's hot
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_Chief_%28Halo%29 Is there something like that for the KZ character?
[QUOTE="Cook1eMonst3r"] I compare entire KZ franchise to determine whether Killzone 3 will be better than Reach. Lets not forget the FAILURE that was the first Killzone, Aka the HALO KILLER. That would be foolish on your part, given that Sony poured a ton of money into the development of KZ2, given that the development team was much larger, and given that KZ3 is appearing to be much more like the second title in series then the first. Anyone that "put their inner fanboy" aside would probably agree that it would be closed minded to make a full series comparison when judging how KZ3 will turn out to be...
likely, whats funny is all the footage shown for killzone 3 seems to show its copied most of its new ideas from the earliest footage of halo reach, jetpacks, new melee attack system...ect
WilliamRLBaker
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Except Killzone: Liberation (Release Date: Oct 31, 2006) had the jetpacks in question, and as far as a new melee attack system, all it adds is flair. As far as we know, jetpacks and the new melee attacks in KZ3 are only in campaign (which I suspect will remain that way)
[QUOTE="designer-"][QUOTE="Cook1eMonst3r"] I compare entire KZ franchise to determine whether Killzone 3 will be better than Reach. Lets not forget the FAILURE that was the first Killzone, Aka the HALO KILLER. That would be foolish on your part, given that Sony poured a ton of money into the development of KZ2, given that the development team was much larger, and given that KZ3 is appearing to be much more like the second title in series then the first. Anyone that "put their inner fanboy" aside would probably agree that it would be closed minded to make a full series comparison when judging how KZ3 will turn out to be... So are you saying Killzone 3 will actually be better than Reach, and sell more? That's the funniest thing I heard today. Killzone 2 as you know was a terrible sales failure.
Its just Killzone has stated Game After Game "This is the Halo Killer " And Never lives up to what They say KZ2 was Good KZ1 was good but thats its just good you can Bash Halo All You Want End of the Day Halo Is one of the Most played Games in the world and its Community last For Years .
So yeah i would Agree Reach Will Wipe the Floor With Killzone 3
Halo Might not have cutting Edge Graphics , 3D gameplay but it has Fun that last For years and a great community.
[QUOTE="Cook1eMonst3r"]CHARACTERS: MASTER CHIEF has been cited as an icon for today's video games, do people even know the KIllzone 2 guy? lol, HALO has the best characters known to man, with the immersive MASTER CHIEF and the super hot CORTANA. .Cook1eMonst3r
No, just no :|
Mastercheif is a terrible character that is almost completely void of emotions and personality, and Cortana is a blue A.I so im not sure how anyone could think she's hot
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_Chief_%28Halo%29 Is there something like that for the KZ character? How does a wiki page make him a good character?
It even says that he has no personality in the article
[QUOTE="Cook1eMonst3r"] So are you saying Killzone 3 will actually be better than Reach, and sell more? That's the funniest thing I heard today. Killzone 2 as you know was a terrible sales failure. Where did I mentioned sales or Reach in my post? Please read more carefully before try to debate a point
Mastercheif is a terrible character that is almost completely void of emotions and personality, and Cortana is a blue A.I so im not sure how anyone could think she's hot
toast_burner
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_Chief_%28Halo%29 Is there something like that for the KZ character? How does a wiki page make him a good character?
It even says that he has no personality in the article
It says "that he is iconic and compared to figures such as Luke Skywalker, Spider-Man and Frodo", how is that terrible? I think youre just jealous of his success.
LOL. KZ3 Destorys halo Reach in graphics. Reach is about KZ2 level. KZ3 will mash reach in graphics. I would agree that Reach will probably be the better game (IMO but KZ3 is looking fantastic too) but your writting style seems kinda fanboyish- if you don't mind me mentioning
CHARACTERS: MASTER CHIEF has been cited as an icon for today's video games, do people even know the KIllzone 2 guy? lol, HALO has the best characters known to man, with the immersive MASTER CHIEF and the super hot CORTANA. Cook1eMonst3r
Right, I can understand that Halo has more interesting characters than Killzone, but that part is very "Oh wow :lol: This guy has no clue about videogames".
Please bash Killzone without bashing the reputation of lemmings.
LOL. KZ3 Destorys halo Reach in graphics. Reach is about KZ2 level. KZ3 will mash reach in graphics. I would agree that Reach will probably be the better game (IMO but KZ3 is looking fantastic too) but your writting style seems kinda fanboyish- if you don't mind me mentioningmayceV
What's it that makes the Killzone 3 graphics destroy Halo Reach? Mind the sheer size in comparison between the two games.
[QUOTE="Cook1eMonst3r"] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_Chief_%28Halo%29 Is there something like that for the KZ character? Cook1eMonst3r
How does a wiki page make him a good character?
It even says that he has no personality in the article
It says "that he is iconic and compared to figures such as Luke Skywalker, Spider-Man and Frodo", how is that terrible? I think youre just jealous of his success. Being iconic doesnt make him a good character Saying he's a good character is like saying the coca-cola logo is a good character
lets put aside our inner fanboyism and rely on historical facts. GAMEPLAY: this is what makes the Halo franchise so popular along with its mp mode of course. its so smooth and flawlessly put together. Killzone 2's though was boring and unbalanced with broken controls. CONTROLS: Everybody even the die-hard PS3 fanboys complained about the broken and ridiculous controls of killzone 2. they tried to be good and such, but failed at being unique. HALO 3 on the other hand had perfectly easy to learn controls but very difficult to master. GRAPHICS: Halo Reach looks a lot more impressive than Killzone 3, technically and visually, taking into account its huge open-world and massive improvements and forge, rocket launhgers etc. SALES: Halo 3 sold more in like a week than killzone 2 did in its lifetime, LOL, I think we know whos gonna win the SALES department. Halo reach will destroy Killzone 3 and will sell 10 million, whereas Killzone 3 will struggle to hit 2 million. LONGEVITY: Halo 3 had million players 2 years after its release, whereas Killzone 2 fell off the charts 1 month after its release. lol Multiplayer: let's not be foolish here. Killzone 2's MP was dead and buried 2 months after the game's release, it's full of glitches, bugs and unblanaced controls and gameplay and most of all it's unbalanced ( the whole system ) and very boring. MUSIC: Halo has the respected team working to create the atmospheric and legendary soundtracks that fit well with the environment and characters. CHARACTERS: MASTER CHIEF has been cited as an icon for today's video games, do people even know the KIllzone 2 guy? lol, HALO has the best characters known to man, with the immersive MASTER CHIEF and the super hot CORTANA. So it's safe to say that Halo reach will own Killzone 3 and embarass it.Cook1eMonst3r
halo reach does not look better then killzone 3 come one now..not true. killzone 2 from what i remembered was a VERY polished game, the balance was fine. other then that i agree with what you said.
[QUOTE="Cook1eMonst3r"][QUOTE="toast_burner"]How does a wiki page make him a good character?
It even says that he has no personality in the article
toast_burner
It says "that he is iconic and compared to figures such as Luke Skywalker, Spider-Man and Frodo", how is that terrible? I think youre just jealous of his success. Being iconic doesnt make him a good character Saying he's a good character is like saying the coca-cola logo is a good character lol? Coca Cola logo is not a character, how can you make such a comparison
[QUOTE="Cook1eMonst3r"][QUOTE="toast_burner"][QUOTE="Cook1eMonst3r"] It says "that he is iconic and compared to figures such as Luke Skywalker, Spider-Man and Frodo", how is that terrible? I think youre just jealous of his success. Being iconic doesnt make him a good character Saying he's a good character is like saying the coca-cola logo is a good character lol? Coca Cola logo is not a character, how can you make such a comparison MC isnt a character. he is just an icon used as a means of the player to interact with the game
[QUOTE="toast_burner"][QUOTE="Cook1eMonst3r"] It says "that he is iconic and compared to figures such as Luke Skywalker, Spider-Man and Frodo", how is that terrible? I think youre just jealous of his success. Cook1eMonst3r
Being iconic doesnt make him a good character Saying he's a good character is like saying the coca-cola logo is a good character lol? Coca Cola logo is not a character, how can you make such a comparison
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