[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]Exactly my thought, it's shame GG cant be original and must copy their superior counter-parts. Not really. If you copy an idea to make it that much better, I consider the original to be worse.likely, whats funny is all the footage shown for killzone 3 seems to show its copied most of its new ideas from the earliest footage of halo reach, jetpacks, new melee attack system...ect
Cook1eMonst3r
halo Reach will tear Killzone 3 into subatomic particles
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Halo's story and universe make is not generic to me. KZ2's controls felt very clunky and unresponsive when I gave it a try I cant imagine how it must be during competitive play :? Its so deep an vibrant way better and more fleshed out then KZ's generic "gritty real world' universe.[QUOTE="Sp4rtan_3"][QUOTE="nervmeister"] KZ2's controls, despite their unorthodox design, are far from clunky. And as much as you may hate to admit it, Halo is every bit as "generic" as Killzone. And no, a fancy map editor isn't going to change thatxYamatox
Halo's story and Universe made it VERY cliche for me. It's basic sci-fi setting. I worked in a book prcessing plant for a few years, and we would get art books for art colleges all the time, and everything that's in Halo has been done before, only 10x better. Heck, even the Ring-World idea was already done many years ago.
Now, I'm not saying Killzone is any less generic when it comes to it's universe, but no one is trying to say it's original in any way.
There's nothing generic about Halo and it's always the people who have something against it make that argument yet they can't back it up. There's not a single game out there that is like Halo and you know it.Sorry Halo fans, Halo 3 isn't 1/10th the game KZ2 is, and nothing shown so far makes Reach come anywhere close to KZ2 let alone KZ3. Halo 3 is a slow uninspired, stuck in the past generic FPS. KZ is a modern masterpiece. KZ2 won BEST COMPETITIVE MP. ODST Wasn't even nominated and barely scraped a AA score by the press. GamingZuruLol nice argument. Tell me what is generic about Halo? You can't. ODST was just an expansion so good comparison. If you want to compare then let's compare Halo 3 to KZ2. Even though H3 was released 2 years before, it's still more advanced than KZ2 in every possible way in multiplayer.
[QUOTE="xYamatox"][QUOTE="Sp4rtan_3"] Halo's story and universe make is not generic to me. KZ2's controls felt very clunky and unresponsive when I gave it a try I cant imagine how it must be during competitive play :? Its so deep an vibrant way better and more fleshed out then KZ's generic "gritty real world' universe.IAMSERIAL
Halo's story and Universe made it VERY cliche for me. It's basic sci-fi setting. I worked in a book prcessing plant for a few years, and we would get art books for art colleges all the time, and everything that's in Halo has been done before, only 10x better. Heck, even the Ring-World idea was already done many years ago.
Now, I'm not saying Killzone is any less generic when it comes to it's universe, but no one is trying to say it's original in any way.
There's nothing generic about Halo and it's always the people who have something against it make that argument yet they can't back it up. There's not a single game out there that is like Halo and you know it.In that same regard, there's no video game lke Killzone, and you know it. Doesn't make either of our arguements any more valid.
There's nothing generic about Halo and it's always the people who have something against it make that argument yet they can't back it up. There's not a single game out there that is like Halo and you know it.[QUOTE="IAMSERIAL"][QUOTE="xYamatox"]
Halo's story and Universe made it VERY cliche for me. It's basic sci-fi setting. I worked in a book prcessing plant for a few years, and we would get art books for art colleges all the time, and everything that's in Halo has been done before, only 10x better. Heck, even the Ring-World idea was already done many years ago.
Now, I'm not saying Killzone is any less generic when it comes to it's universe, but no one is trying to say it's original in any way.
xYamatox
In that same regard, there's no video game lke Killzone, and you know it. Doesn't make either of our arguements any more valid.
I never said anything about Killzone being generic but it's a lot closer to it than Halo is.
[QUOTE="GamingZuru"]Sorry Halo fans, Halo 3 isn't 1/10th the game KZ2 is, and nothing shown so far makes Reach come anywhere close to KZ2 let alone KZ3. Halo 3 is a slow uninspired, stuck in the past generic FPS. KZ is a modern masterpiece. KZ2 won BEST COMPETITIVE MP. ODST Wasn't even nominated and barely scraped a AA score by the press. IAMSERIALLol nice argument. Tell me what is generic about Halo? You can't. ODST was just an expansion so good comparison. If you want to compare then let's compare Halo 3 to KZ2. Even though H3 was released 2 years before, it's still more advanced than KZ2 in every possible way in multiplayer.How was Halo 3 an expansion, it was a full fully priced retail game. It just happened to suck because Halo is outdated. Everything about Halo is generic, the graphics and artstyle, the generic guns and simplistic gameplay. The story. The music even though honestly isn't anything special is the only non generic part of Halo. And I can't get past the annoying input lag Halo has.
[QUOTE="IAMSERIAL"][QUOTE="GamingZuru"]Sorry Halo fans, Halo 3 isn't 1/10th the game KZ2 is, and nothing shown so far makes Reach come anywhere close to KZ2 let alone KZ3. Halo 3 is a slow uninspired, stuck in the past generic FPS. KZ is a modern masterpiece. KZ2 won BEST COMPETITIVE MP. ODST Wasn't even nominated and barely scraped a AA score by the press. GamingZuruLol nice argument. Tell me what is generic about Halo? You can't. ODST was just an expansion so good comparison. If you want to compare then let's compare Halo 3 to KZ2. Even though H3 was released 2 years before, it's still more advanced than KZ2 in every possible way in multiplayer.How was Halo 3 an expansion, it was a full fully priced retail game. It just happened to suck because Halo is outdated. Everything about Halo is generic, the graphics and artstyle, the generic guns and simplistic gameplay. The story. The music even though honestly isn't anything special is the only non generic part of Halo. And I can't get past the annoying input lag Halo has. I never said Halo 3 is an expansion. Reading comprehension bro. Nothing you listed makes it generic, you really have very poor arguments. What are you a bandodger or something?
[QUOTE="xYamatox"][QUOTE="IAMSERIAL"] There's nothing generic about Halo and it's always the people who have something against it make that argument yet they can't back it up. There's not a single game out there that is like Halo and you know it.IAMSERIAL
In that same regard, there's no video game lke Killzone, and you know it. Doesn't make either of our arguements any more valid.
I never said anything about Killzone being generic but it's a lot closer to it than Halo is.Well, you just did, and based on the game's alone, both are pretty pathetic story-wise. However, both have good outside sources to provide a decent story, but because they arn't present in the acyual game, they become irrelevent.
I never said anything about Killzone being generic but it's a lot closer to it than Halo is.[QUOTE="IAMSERIAL"][QUOTE="xYamatox"]
In that same regard, there's no video game lke Killzone, and you know it. Doesn't make either of our arguements any more valid.
xYamatox
Well, you just did, and based on the game's alone, both are pretty pathetic story-wise. However, both have good outside sources to provide a decent story, but because they arn't present in the acyual game, they become irrelevent.
Ya Halo's story is as generic as they come.[QUOTE="IAMSERIAL"][QUOTE="GamingZuru"]How was Halo 3 an expansion, it was a full fully priced retail game. It just happened to suck because Halo is outdated. Everything about Halo is generic, the graphics and artstyle, the generic guns and simplistic gameplay. The story. The music even though honestly isn't anything special is the only non generic part of Halo. And I can't get past the annoying input lag Halo has. GamingZuruI never said Halo 3 is an expansion. Reading comprehension bro. Nothing you listed makes it generic, you really have very poor arguments. What are you a bandodger or something?Mistyped ODST. I still had OSDT in my mind while typing everything. To hard to piece that together? If Halo 3 is so outdated then why are there still hundred of thousands of people online playing everyday and why is KZ2 the advanced fps such a desert?
I never said anything about Killzone being generic but it's a lot closer to it than Halo is.[QUOTE="IAMSERIAL"][QUOTE="xYamatox"]
In that same regard, there's no video game lke Killzone, and you know it. Doesn't make either of our arguements any more valid.
xYamatox
Well, you just did, and based on the game's alone, both are pretty pathetic story-wise. However, both have good outside sources to provide a decent story, but because they arn't present in the acyual game, they become irrelevent.
Story doesn't make a game generic. Specifically in shooters anyway. There's nothing about killzone's universe that stands out. It's basically wwii in the future...how boring is that? How boring is playing WWII games? Very. That's why I consider it quite generic because there are so many WWII games.[QUOTE="IAMSERIAL"][QUOTE="GamingZuru"]Mistyped ODST. I still had OSDT in my mind while typing everything. To hard to piece that together?GamingZuruIf Halo 3 is so outdated then why are there still hundred of thousands of people online playing everyday and why is KZ2 the advanced fps such a desert?Is that a joke? Do you have any idea how many people still play CS? or WoW? Or a ton of other old ass games? So you agree with me that Halo is the much better and satisfying game while KZ is just irrelevant in the fps world.
[QUOTE="xYamatox"][QUOTE="IAMSERIAL"] I never said anything about Killzone being generic but it's a lot closer to it than Halo is. IAMSERIAL
Well, you just did, and based on the game's alone, both are pretty pathetic story-wise. However, both have good outside sources to provide a decent story, but because they arn't present in the acyual game, they become irrelevent.
Story doesn't make a game generic. Specifically in shooters anyway. There's nothing about killzone's universe that stands out. It's basically wwii in the future...how boring is that? How boring is playing WWII games? Very. That's why I consider it quite generic because there are so many WWII games. eh i dont think kz2 is generic, there isnt another fps out there like it.If you read the cannon Novel, book, comics Halo's universe becomes so much more. Theres going to be a series of books revolving around the forerunners coming out this Holiday season which will finally shed light on the ring world, the forerunner people and how they interacted with humanity. KZ's world has no depth no life its so "been there done that" atleast halo's cannon has explanation and depth.[QUOTE="Sp4rtan_3"][QUOTE="xYamatox"]
Halo's story and Universe made it VERY cliche for me. It's basic sci-fi setting. I worked in a book prcessing plant for a few years, and we would get art books for art colleges all the time, and everything that's in Halo has been done before, only 10x better. Heck, even the Ring-World idea was already done many years ago.
Now, I'm not saying Killzone is any less generic when it comes to it's universe, but no one is trying to say it's original in any way.
xYamatox
If the story and lore is not present in the actual games, it's not valid. The majority of gamers are NOT going to purchase a book to get a story out of a videogame, and even such, the lore behind the game isn't even Bungie's doing. If you only play Halo: CE, 2, 3 and ODTS, there isn't much there to be desired.
Please don't try to use the, "But-but-but...Halo has BOOKS!" card. Anyone could make a Killzone novel that could be on par or better than Halo's universe, but it wouldn't matter because the story isn't present in the actual game itself. It's like saying Superman 64 has the best story in videogames, because of the comics that it's based on.
Umm the books are soley based on or around the Game :? Are you really serious when you said "the story and lore is not presented in the actual game" really ?? Every aspect of the lore and the world around it is represented whether it be the Internal Covenant conflict, the mysterious Forerunner's, Humanities struggle against the covenant or the flood. Its all represented in the games :roll: It seems you dont remember that the games came before the books so everything is based around or about that core foundation.[QUOTE="xYamatox"][QUOTE="IAMSERIAL"] I never said anything about Killzone being generic but it's a lot closer to it than Halo is. IAMSERIAL
Well, you just did, and based on the game's alone, both are pretty pathetic story-wise. However, both have good outside sources to provide a decent story, but because they arn't present in the acyual game, they become irrelevent.
Story doesn't make a game generic. Specifically in shooters anyway. There's nothing about killzone's universe that stands out. It's basically wwii in the future...how boring is that? How boring is playing WWII games? Very. That's why I consider it quite generic because there are so many WWII games.Yeah, and I see generic sci-fi atmosphere boring. Does that make my opinion fact? Not at all. WW2 in the future may have been done before, but it's a lot less frequent than an Alien race trying to whipe out mankind (see, I can summerize a story to sound lame, too!).
[QUOTE="IAMSERIAL"][QUOTE="GamingZuru"]Is that a joke? Do you have any idea how many people still play CS? or WoW? Or a ton of other old ass games?GamingZuruSo you agree with me that Halo is the much better and satisfying game while KZ is just irrelevant in the fps world. No. I agree that Halo is a stale outdated generic FPS that doesn't come anywhere near KZ's modern marvel. Halo is infact irrelevant everywhere but for that Xbox fanbase, but that's because they really don't have anything else. THe only competition is what COd? And even Cod beats Halo. Halo's xbox popularity is due the systems weakness in the games department. Oh yeah and Killzone is relevant to everyone huh? Yeah right, Killzone is the joke of the fps genre, nobody respects it outside of bunch of PS3 fanboys...even ps3 fanboys don't like the game. You last sentence makes absolutely no sense at all. I expect KZ3 to be the last in the series, it will be the last attempt to kill halo and it will fail miserably again.
Story doesn't make a game generic. Specifically in shooters anyway. There's nothing about killzone's universe that stands out. It's basically wwii in the future...how boring is that? How boring is playing WWII games? Very. That's why I consider it quite generic because there are so many WWII games.[QUOTE="IAMSERIAL"][QUOTE="xYamatox"]
Well, you just did, and based on the game's alone, both are pretty pathetic story-wise. However, both have good outside sources to provide a decent story, but because they arn't present in the acyual game, they become irrelevent.
xYamatox
Yeah, and I see generic sci-fi atmosphere boring. Does that make my opinion fact? Not at all. WW2 in the future may have been done before, but it's a lot less frequent than an Alien race trying to whipe out mankind (see, I can summerize a story to sound lame, too!).
WWII is still WWII it's generic trash anyway you want to put it. It's a lot more generic then what you think Halo is actually about. Killzone is void of identity, it doesn't have one. The series will always be remembered for trying to kill halo and fail at it. There's really nothing else worth remembering about Killzone. There's nothing fun about the game, the animations are too slow...too much animations. It's not even a game. It's like you're not even controlling anything.[QUOTE="xYamatox"][QUOTE="IAMSERIAL"] Story doesn't make a game generic. Specifically in shooters anyway. There's nothing about killzone's universe that stands out. It's basically wwii in the future...how boring is that? How boring is playing WWII games? Very. That's why I consider it quite generic because there are so many WWII games.IAMSERIAL
Yeah, and I see generic sci-fi atmosphere boring. Does that make my opinion fact? Not at all. WW2 in the future may have been done before, but it's a lot less frequent than an Alien race trying to whipe out mankind (see, I can summerize a story to sound lame, too!).
WWII is still WWII it's generic trash anyway you want to put it. It's a lot more generic then what you think Halo is actually about. Killzone is void of identity, it doesn't have one. The series will always be remembered for trying to kill halo and fail at it. There's really nothing else worth remembering about Killzone. There's nothing fun about the game, the animations are too slow...too much animations. It's not even a game. It's like you're not even controlling anything. and yet its still aaa and shooter of 2009 :lol: wow[QUOTE="xYamatox"][QUOTE="IAMSERIAL"] Story doesn't make a game generic. Specifically in shooters anyway. There's nothing about killzone's universe that stands out. It's basically wwii in the future...how boring is that? How boring is playing WWII games? Very. That's why I consider it quite generic because there are so many WWII games.IAMSERIAL
Yeah, and I see generic sci-fi atmosphere boring. Does that make my opinion fact? Not at all. WW2 in the future may have been done before, but it's a lot less frequent than an Alien race trying to whipe out mankind (see, I can summerize a story to sound lame, too!).
WWII is still WWII it's generic trash anyway you want to put it. It's a lot more generic then what you think Halo is actually about. Killzone is void of identity, it doesn't have one. The series will always be remembered for trying to kill halo and fail at it. There's really nothing else worth remembering about Killzone. There's nothing fun about the game, the animations are too slow...too much animations. It's not even a game. It's like you're not even controlling anything.Wow, and for a second here I thought we were going to have a civilized discussion. Too bad your inner fanboy had to ruin it for you :lol:
WWII is still WWII it's generic trash anyway you want to put it. It's a lot more generic then what you think Halo is actually about. Killzone is void of identity, it doesn't have one. The series will always be remembered for trying to kill halo and fail at it. There's really nothing else worth remembering about Killzone. There's nothing fun about the game, the animations are too slow...too much animations. It's not even a game. It's like you're not even controlling anything.[QUOTE="IAMSERIAL"][QUOTE="xYamatox"]
Yeah, and I see generic sci-fi atmosphere boring. Does that make my opinion fact? Not at all. WW2 in the future may have been done before, but it's a lot less frequent than an Alien race trying to whipe out mankind (see, I can summerize a story to sound lame, too!).
xYamatox
Wow, and for a second here I thought we were going to have a civilized discussion. Too bad your inner fanboy had to ruin it for you :lol:
You never replied to my reply :([QUOTE="TintedEyes"]sucks people just close they eyes and wish something that isnt true.IAMSERIALLike how you think killzone is a better game than halo. no i just think thye are both good
[QUOTE="xYamatox"][QUOTE="Sp4rtan_3"] If you read the cannon Novel, book, comics Halo's universe becomes so much more. Theres going to be a series of books revolving around the forerunners coming out this Holiday season which will finally shed light on the ring world, the forerunner people and how they interacted with humanity. KZ's world has no depth no life its so "been there done that" atleast halo's cannon has explanation and depth.Sp4rtan_3
If the story and lore is not present in the actual games, it's not valid. The majority of gamers are NOT going to purchase a book to get a story out of a videogame, and even such, the lore behind the game isn't even Bungie's doing. If you only play Halo: CE, 2, 3 and ODTS, there isn't much there to be desired.
Please don't try to use the, "But-but-but...Halo has BOOKS!" card. Anyone could make a Killzone novel that could be on par or better than Halo's universe, but it wouldn't matter because the story isn't present in the actual game itself. It's like saying Superman 64 has the best story in videogames, because of the comics that it's based on.
Umm the books are soley based on or around the Game :? Are you really serious when you said "the story and lore is not presented in the actual game" really ?? Every aspect of the lore and the world around it is represented whether it be the Internal Covenant conflict, the mysterious Forerunner's, Humanities struggle against the covenant or the flood. Its all represented in the games :roll: It seems you dont remember that the games came before the books so everything is based around or about that core foundation.You said it yourself: The books are BASED on the games. That doesn't mean it uses only what the games offer. It builds onto the story the game told, and adds elements the game never had. THAT'S the difference. We arn't comparing Halo's novel's against Steven King, we're comparing the Halo GAMES to Killzone's GAMES, this making the books irrelevent.
It's really not hard to understand.
[QUOTE="xYamatox"][QUOTE="IAMSERIAL"] I never said anything about Killzone being generic but it's a lot closer to it than Halo is. IAMSERIAL
Well, you just did, and based on the game's alone, both are pretty pathetic story-wise. However, both have good outside sources to provide a decent story, but because they arn't present in the acyual game, they become irrelevent.
Story doesn't make a game generic. Specifically in shooters anyway. There's nothing about killzone's universe that stands out. It's basically wwii in the future...how boring is that? How boring is playing WWII games? Very. That's why I consider it quite generic because there are so many WWII games.Yea but halo is just aliens attacking. Thats about as orginal as ww2. Seriously when it comes to the stories and characters both game fall short. I know through your fanboyism you cant see this but hey I tried.
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