Has Switch made you a believer in Nintendo again?

There won't be VC. I'm pretty sure of it. They never hinted at it and the media and gamers were very adamant that VC was a bad deal. 'We have to buy the same games again?' I mean, people made their case.

They can't just promise you that if you buy VC games this time, you'll have them forever on all future platforms. That's not how the future works, or how BC works. MS and Sony would never promise that, either. And I don't think they have all the data necessary to know who bought what on what platforms. So it would become a very complex system where some people can get some of their games to be downloaded for free. I just don't see that happening.

They could say that from now on the games will be attached to your account and everything in the past is considered non existent. And even that would get a lot of negative responses. I'm not sure it would be worth it. On top of that the library would always be very incomplete. We can forget about most Wii and Wii U games for instance. They just wouldn't work without a sensor bar and second screen.

I think what they're doing with the online service is the smartest way to go about it.

still an overpriced underpowered gimmicky piece of trash

Yes.

I had no faith of Wii U when it launched and people thought I was crazy. People I know want to see Nintendo do great and they love the Switch so far.

the freaking avalanche of games this year shits on the wiius first year

wiiU had more AAA 3rd party but most were old ports

They need to drop teh handheld towards 199, will probably pick one up with the mario game in it. Other then that i won't bother with it. It's to expensive, not much games going for it. Not much reason to get it.

To be fair the wiiU had some amazing games, but the mistake was basically making it the wii 2 with an awful underutilised tablet controller. Switch is a new start and the launch had so much more buzz than the wiiU ever did. In my opinion the switch can be as big as the original wii. It's certainly unique enough and it's been pretty well supported. Nintendo just needs to keep it going, no massive gaps between first party games and keep the third parties interested.

Was a believer from the start, I've bought two of them, one for me and one for my GF. We even watched E3 together :)

I very much don't like Nintendo as a company. They're extremely insular, oftentimes anti-consumer, too risk-averse, stubborn, arrogant, complacent, conservative, and slow to act in many areas of their business. They seem fully content to lag behind years old standards and seemingly have no serious ambition to improve the infrastructure supporting their main product past anything obligatory, or at least that's how it feels. Many of the moves they make also feel like contrarianism for contrarianism's sake.

As a game maker they're beyond phenomenal, and it's a testament of their talent that their games can offset such mediocrity everywhere else. I love their games to death but think they could be so much more if they could somehow overcome a deeply ingrained cultural philosophical dogmatism that I believe is precluding their ability to look outside their bubble and capitalize upon a potential that would skyrocket them into the stratosphere if taken advantage of. I've always felt that culture has been one of Nintendo's greatest obstacles to greater market penetration.

So to answer the question: they're absolutely moving in the right direction with their games, but as for a business, I'm not seeing much of a massive difference as of yet.

Kinda yeah. After the very successful Zelda BOTW, they have announcements for new Pokemon, Metroid, Fire Emblem, etc plus partnerships with a bunch of 3rd party developers - Rocket League and Skyrim, two vastly popular games are coming to the Switch.

Nope, two out of three of their new reveals were 2D sidescrollers. What makes you think this is any different than Wii U?

Also Donkey Kong came out over three years ago and Retro still has nothing to show for Metroid but a title card? sketch

Retro isn't making Metroid.

TBH I never stopped believing..... they're the greediest VG company always charging twice the price than their products worth but eh, if sheep eat it up who am I to blame'em. :P

The operative question is, has Switch made Nintendo a believer again? A believer in the console market and a believer in themselves?

They've always made quality games. People typically have a soft spot for them. However, their avoidance of Sony and Micrsoft over the years have made them do strange things. They can get in the ring and box, they just need to push their way forward.

Nintendo had extreme issues when it came to a steady flow of releases. Between what we knew and what we learned at E3, Switch is stocked from launch to Christmas unlike the Wii U which, in the same time frame, was not in such a position.

Nope.

And until Nintendo stops being morons and not getting more 3rd party games , they never will.

Who's making Metroid?

@KungfuKitten: I'm pretty sure most downloadable games you can buy on the PS3 and Vita you can buy on the PS4. Traditional BC for the Switch is out of the question for obvious reasons, but all the previous eShop content should eventually (and gradually if necessary) be available for the Switch. If they can't just let you carry it over for free from one console to the next one, just let whoever wants to buy the damn thing again pay for it.

The Switch is selling well but, much like Street Fighter V at launch, it's just not complete.

"A new and talented studio" according to someone at Nintendo. Producer Kensuke Tanabi is overseeing the project with a new team, it says. I'm slightly worried.

Seems legit

Absolutely. This is the strongest i have seen nintendo since the gsmecube/gsmeboy advanced era. They are back and strong. I believe they are finally listening to their fans and delivering what we want instead of the whacky new ideas they want to try. 2d metroid just sealed the deal for me. We have been begging for this and finally they deliver.

A true open world 3D Mario and the promise of a mainline Pokemon RPG alone make it better than the Wii or WiiU.

I still play my PS4 more, but I really like the Switch, but all I play on it is Mario Kart. (I didn't like Zelda, GASP)

No.

I never doubted their ability to make games. I just fully disagree with their console design choices from the Wii onward. So **** 'em. I'll pick up a used/cheap Switch at some point.......

I'm getting it.

I still prefer to play on a powerful home console than with a portable system and it's limitations.

But i'm glad Nintendo is back in full force!

Powerful home console. Hahahaha.

No. I don't buy a console to play some tired sidescrolling games like Kirby or Yoshi.

Not buying a console for one game that I care about, Super Mario Odyssey. TLOZ can be played on my PC.

@KungfuKitten: Powerful enough to run every game available.

Love these kids who get triggered every time something not terrible is said about consoles lool

What do you mean get more 3rd party games. They should just drive by their offices and take 3rd party games?

Same here, been in love since launch.

Google Pixel C is about $500. The iPad 12.9 is $900. Those are somewhat comparable in gaming performance. But even compared to that Nvidia Shield it's not overpriced. Unlike the Shield it comes with a controller and charger and the dock.

One of the few Nintendo platforms I've not regreted purchasing (post N64 era of course). Still not completely sold on its success. Most of the titles are indies and still No Fzero (Rmx is a noce consolation), No donkey kong, No punch out (not sold on Arms), but we do have a new Metroid coming so thats a huge plus. Having said that its still very early so I'll take the wait and see approach.

@KungfuKitten: You're seriously smoking crack. The XBO/PS4 lineups take a galactic shit on the switch.. Don't jump of the deep end friend.

thread title including 'again' is a loaded question that has implicit bias.

I'm not a Nintendo fan but I never doubted them. Its not really debatable that they make the best IPs. In my top 5 for of the show this year two games are Nintendo games. Quietly Nintendo won E3 easily. but their win is like watching Usain Bolt. You knew they would win anyway if they had new games.

I just wish Nintendo would do something really cool like make multiplats. I get why they dont just saying.

@SolidGame_basic: I have a slight interest, but I'm still not convinced that they can keep up the pace and they're relying heavily on a huge amount of rehash. I'm OK with a fair amount of rehashing because I like their games, but I am still wary that they seem not to be able to produce very many entirely new games.

The new Mario is interesting, but it also just seems kinda bizarre to me. I guess I'll have to play it to see, but it seems like it is having an identity crisis. I'm not a huge fan of the emphasis on non-platforming like all the spinning moves etc.

I don't get it. As a long-time Nintendo fan nothing about the Switch looks compelling to me, aside from Super Mario Odyssey. But the system itself is the same nonsense Nintendo pulled with the Wii U - it's underpowered, it's gimmicky (1-2 Switch, Amiibos), the third party situation is very similar (ports, while a lot of games completely miss the system) and now it's even going to have a paid online system. The Virtual Console is nonexistent, and when it comes back I'm sure it'll be the same nonsense where they'll expect you to pay for VC games you have already bought on VC, and they'll release them at a painfully slow pace, advertising the millionth time they've released Super Mario Bros and Legend of Zelda. Ugh.

Breath of the Wild and Odyssey are what give me hope for Nintendo, not the Switch. Breath of the Wild is a Wii U game that was released on the Switch as well, so it's the thunder of it has nothing to do with the Switch. Odyssey really has that spark and I'm excited, but the Switch needs more titles than Odyssey to get me excited. The rest of their titles shown so far aren't doing it. The system itself is rather mediocre, so I'm not convinced.

@Tessellation: exactly.

Besides CoD WW2, the only must play games for me in 2017 are all on the Switch!! I mean what did MS and Sony really show? Is 4K even mainstream yet? Nothing on X1X is exclusive or made solely around that console. Every single game they showed is also available on the X1 or PC! Sony showed some great looking stuff, but when are these games coming??

@OhSnapitz: MS gave up on even trying. They are going 100% multiplat which is better for everyone involved, really. Sony took 3 years to get some titles out the door that are worth buying a system for. The Switch is doing that in like half a year.

I mean, sure. I guess you're pointing at third party, right? They're lacking that. It's true. There are some cool 3rd party games starting to show up but compared to PS4/PC/XB1 it's way less. (But I don't think that's Nintendo's fault as some people here are saying. It's just as much a shortcoming of 3rd party devs.)

There have to be people out there with nothing but a Switch to play games on and for them it probably sucks that there is not much 3rd party support but for everyone else, say 90% of gamers out there interested in modern gaming, we can already play those games on multiple platforms. Pretty much all 3rd party support on XB1 and PS4 are multiplats. I don't see this 3rd party argument as anything other than a fake SW argument. It has no meaning in reality. Am I wrong about that? I would honestly like to know actually. Because it's constantly brought up on SW. For years that's been how I thought about it and maybe I'm wrong.

Not yet, the big test is whether they treat it like a handheld with solid support for 5-7 years or like their consoles and dump it after 2-3.

The 3DS is still getting a good amount of games, both third party and from Nintendo, despite launching in 2011. The Wii and WiiU were dumped long before DS/3DS support dropped and the consoles launched later too.

I really want to see what the usual handheld devs that have supported DS/3DS do, will they go mobile or move to Switch?

Yeah. Agreed. Need to see some consistency, how the online will pan out, 3rd party support this time next year, etc.

Switch has def shot up the list for me.

Plus the crossplay with Xbox really makes me excited, might pick up a switch along side my titan XB1X

Nintendo will always make great games, but I don't think I'll ever trust their company as a whole.

They had a good conference but I still don't trust the Switch. The system is overpriced and the accessories are overpriced especially in Canada. The internal storage is 32GB and game cards are still 32GB. I'm surprised that nobody made a thread about this but where are the 3rd party games? Even though the system can use UE4, is easy to develop for, it uses ARM and whatever else I might have missed about developing games for the system but the main reasons why the system isn't getting most of the 3rd party games is because the system is underpowered and the limit for the game cards are still 32GB.

I might copy and paste this post and make a thread about the 3rd party games for the system if nobody makes a thread about the lack of 3rd party support for the Switch. Here is a video, lol.

No big company should be trusted as a whole.

@OhSnapitz: That statement was already ridiculous enough without mentioning the XBO.

I never stopped believing.

@svaubel: high 5 to my fellow Switch day 1 owner.