Has the PS3 reached its Graphical Peak!!???

So much for the Mighty RSX... err, I mean RSX + Cell combo. The man that almost everyone regards as one of the greatest developers out there, claims to have used 100% of the PS3's power - including teh Cell. The result, a game that is not as large as he wanted, AI not as expansive, textures not as high resolution.

He claims that he was MISLED about the POWER of the PS3. Is it going to far to think that all of the videogame fanboys may have been misled about capabilities of the PS3 also???

From what little I've seen so FF XIII no way in hell.Flamestos

R U Serious? This game has gone into furthing hiding than KZ2. There has been no game play screens released to make ME believe that there is ANYTHING special about this game yet.

So much for the Mighty RSX... err, I mean RSX + Cell combo. The man that almost everyone regards as one of the greatest developers out there, claims to have used 100% of the PS3's power - including teh Cell. The result, a game that is not as large as he wanted, AI not as expansive, textures not as high resolution.

He claims that he was MISLED about the POWER of the PS3. Is it going to far to think that all of the videogame fanboys may have been misled about capabilities of the PS3 also???

septicvirus

Much like other threads on this matter have said, I believe he had such high expectations that not even the highest quality gaming PC might be able to pull off what he wanted. He wanted adaptive AI whose emotions would change with what was happening in battle; he wanted a large game world and I would think that the larger the game world, the lower the textures must be.

Just because those parts didn't meet his expectations, it doesn't mean that he believes his game is bad or that the AI is crappy, or the game is not large. The game looks great and I doubt we've seen the pinnacle of the PS3's power. Remember last gen? We didn't see the pinnacle of the PS2's power till the end and maybe the same is occuring here.

[QUOTE="Flamestos"]From what little I've seen so FF XIII no way in hell.septicvirus

R U Serious? This game has gone into furthing hiding than KZ2. There has been no game play screens released to make ME believe that there is ANYTHING special about this game yet.

That's you I haven't been impress with any of the graphics I've seen this gen so far (Crysis excluded). I basing this off of Squares track record when moving into a new generation. It;s just my opinion that FF XIII will show off what the PS3 can do.

As great as a developer Kojima is. He has never had the best graphics in his games. Great visuals yes, but not the best. Couth_

It's so funny how whenever a lesser known developer says something negative about the PS3's hardware, SW fanboys completely discredit what they say because they have no credibility.

For a long time, Cows have been claiming that MSG4 would show off the true powers of the PS3 (MSG3 was one of the best looking PS2 games). NOW, we are so quick to say that "KOJIMA DOESN'T KNOW WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT"!!???

[QUOTE="septicvirus"]

So much for the Mighty RSX... err, I mean RSX + Cell combo. The man that almost everyone regards as one of the greatest developers out there, claims to have used 100% of the PS3's power - including teh Cell. The result, a game that is not as large as he wanted, AI not as expansive, textures not as high resolution.

He claims that he was MISLED about the POWER of the PS3. Is it going to far to think that all of the videogame fanboys may have been misled about capabilities of the PS3 also???

Zassimick

Much like other threads on this matter have said, I believe he had such high expectations that not even the highest quality gaming PC might be able to pull off what he wanted. He wanted adaptive AI whose emotions would change with what was happening in battle; he wanted a large game world and I would think that the larger the game world, the lower the textures must be.

Just because those parts didn't meet his expectations, it doesn't mean that he believes his game is bad or that the AI is crappy, or the game is not large. The game looks great and I doubt we've seen the pinnacle of the PS3's power. Remember last gen? We didn't see the pinnacle of the PS2's power till the end and maybe the same is occuring here.

Will you say the same thing if it turns out that MSG4 really is running at 576p? That would mean that it is going backwards - and essentially has to start sacrificing graphics in order to allow for some of the other things going on in the game.

[QUOTE="Couth_"]As great as a developer Kojima is. He has never had the best graphics in his games. Great visuals yes, but not the best. septicvirus

It's so funny how whenever a lesser known developer says something negative about the PS3's hardware, SW fanboys completely discredit what they say because they have no credibility.

For a long time, Cows have been claiming that MSG4 would show off the true powers of the PS3 (MSG3 was one of the best looking PS2 games). NOW, we are so quick to say that "KOJIMA DOESN'T KNOW WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT"!!???

Just wait until games like: FF XIII, and KH III. And of course, the mother of them all, God of War III.bstarter29

Seriously, bstarter29, didn't we hear this for a very long time with regards to MSG4?

So much for the Mighty RSX... err, I mean RSX + Cell combo. The man that almost everyone regards as one of the greatest developers out there, claims to have used 100% of the PS3's power - including teh Cell. The result, a game that is not as large as he wanted, AI not as expansive, textures not as high resolution.

He claims that he was MISLED about the POWER of the PS3. Is it going to far to think that all of the videogame fanboys may have been misled about capabilities of the PS3 also???

septicvirus

If you wanted to play MGS4 so bad, why didn't you buy the PS3 instead of what you have now?

[QUOTE="septicvirus"]

So much for the Mighty RSX... err, I mean RSX + Cell combo. The man that almost everyone regards as one of the greatest developers out there, claims to have used 100% of the PS3's power - including teh Cell. The result, a game that is not as large as he wanted, AI not as expansive, textures not as high resolution.

He claims that he was MISLED about the POWER of the PS3. Is it going to far to think that all of the videogame fanboys may have been misled about capabilities of the PS3 also???

megaton3k

If you wanted to play MGS4 so bad, why didn't you buy the PS3 instead of what you have now?

Actually, I was planning on buying a PS3 just for MSG4. That is until the developer himself began the damage control saying that it is not going to live up the hype he created during the last couple years.

[QUOTE="Zassimick"]

Much like other threads on this matter have said, I believe he had such high expectations that not even the highest quality gaming PC might be able to pull off what he wanted. He wanted adaptive AI whose emotions would change with what was happening in battle; he wanted a large game world and I would think that the larger the game world, the lower the textures must be.

Just because those parts didn't meet his expectations, it doesn't mean that he believes his game is bad or that the AI is crappy, or the game is not large. The game looks great and I doubt we've seen the pinnacle of the PS3's power. Remember last gen? We didn't see the pinnacle of the PS2's power till the end and maybe the same is occuring here.

septicvirus

Will you say the same thing if it turns out that MSG4 really is running at 576p? That would mean that it is going backwards - and essentially has to start sacrificing graphics in order to allow for some of the other things going on in the game.

Sure??? I honestly think Uncharted looks better than MGS4, but we've only seen one area in MGS4 so I can't completely judge yet. Sorry that I can't give a definitive answer; I'm not the most knowledgeable when it comes to resolution, fps and such things.

He has not maxed out the ps3, he cant have everything he wants becuase the disk is full of high def videos and uncompressed music.

Plus KZ2 looks way better (look at the gameplay vids). So how can he have maxed out the console? I think that he is a prefectionist so because he is unappy with his unperfect game he feels that he must shift the blame on the PS3.

[QUOTE="Couth_"]As great as a developer Kojima is. He has never had the best graphics in his games. Great visuals yes, but not the best. septicvirus

It's so funny how whenever a lesser known developer says something negative about the PS3's hardware, SW fanboys completely discredit what they say because they have no credibility.

For a long time, Cows have been claiming that MSG4 would show off the true powers of the PS3 (MSG3 was one of the best looking PS2 games). NOW, we are so quick to say that "KOJIMA DOESN'T KNOW WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT"!!???

#1 im not a cow
#2 developers say anything to create hype and buzz. look at mark rein
#3 No one ever said Kojima doesn't know what he's talking about
#4 the best looking Ps3 games so far have all been first party. Gran turismo5, Uncharted, and MLB the show, all first party.

When it's all said and done I would expect the best looking game on PS3 to have been first party. Probably God of War 4 or 5, if not first party then maybe a square enix game. FFXII was easily better looking than MGS3

Just wait until games like: FF XIII, and KH III. And of course, the mother of them all, God of War III.bstarter29

I agree, God Of War 2 was the best looking game on PS2 so I'm sure God Of War 3 will be the perfect game to show off the PS3's graphical ability

[QUOTE="bstarter29"]Just wait until games like: FF XIII, and KH III. And of course, the mother of them all, God of War III.septicvirus

Seriously, bstarter29, didn't we hear this for a very long time with regards to MSG4?

Did we? IDK. Well, I guess cows did. They shouldn't have though. MGS4 has good graphics IMO, but MGS has never been the best in the graphical department. GoW 1 and 2 were the best looking PS2 games, and KH and FF have always been top-tier so there's no reason to think they won't be fantastic looking.

a game that's not being hyped as graphics showcase.DarkCloud79

it IS being hyped as a graphical showcase...

You make it sound like MGS4 isn't going to be a visually impressive game, might I remind you, about 16 people have played the entire game, they have all said its one of the best looking games out there.

Also, using the logic that because MGS4 might run at 500 what ever p, then the Xbox 360 maxed out in September, with Halo 3 that ran at 600p.

[QUOTE="DarkCloud79"] a game that's not being hyped as graphics showcase.Always-Honest

it IS being hyped as a graphical showcase...

By whom?

[QUOTE="DarkCloud79"] a game that's not being hyped as graphics showcase.Always-Honest

it IS being hyped as a graphical showcase...

I support the truth in this message.

[QUOTE="Always-Honest"]

[QUOTE="DarkCloud79"] a game that's not being hyped as graphics showcase.septicvirus

it IS being hyped as a graphical showcase...

I support the truth in this message.

Well it does look amazing. Just look at the guy's sig with Metal Gear Ray flying out of the water and onto the shore. That looks incredible. And if you have watched any videos of the gameplay you'll know there is a lot happening on screen and it looks great. Sure there are games that beat it out, I think, such as Uncharted, but the game still looks great.

[QUOTE="megaton3k"][QUOTE="septicvirus"]

So much for the Mighty RSX... err, I mean RSX + Cell combo. The man that almost everyone regards as one of the greatest developers out there, claims to have used 100% of the PS3's power - including teh Cell. The result, a game that is not as large as he wanted, AI not as expansive, textures not as high resolution.

He claims that he was MISLED about the POWER of the PS3. Is it going to far to think that all of the videogame fanboys may have been misled about capabilities of the PS3 also???

septicvirus

If you wanted to play MGS4 so bad, why didn't you buy the PS3 instead of what you have now?

Actually, I was planning on buying a PS3 just for MSG4. That is until the developer himself began the damage control saying that it is not going to live up the hype he created during the last couple years.

have you ever done something that everyone thought was great but you felt you could do better. thats the same with kojima. now you can skip mgs4 because kojima wanted to do more or with millions of others play the game and have a good time. its up to you. as we get closer we find out that this game is almost perfect.

[QUOTE="Always-Honest"]

[QUOTE="DarkCloud79"] a game that's not being hyped as graphics showcase.DarkCloud79

it IS being hyped as a graphical showcase...

By whom?

by many.... are you new here?.. i think it looks phenomenal too.. doubt much complicated Ps3 games will look better..the ps3 is just not very good with textures...

have you ever done something that everyone thought was great but you felt you could do better. thats the same with kojima. now you can skip mgs4 because kojima wanted to do more or with millions of others play the game and have a good time. its up to you. as we get closer we find out that this game is almost perfect.

jessie5788

Happened to me all the time in high school with Cross Country and track. Those were the good ol' days.

Well..Killzone 2 looks better than MGS, so if that's maxing out the PS3...what the heck is Killzone 2? A subspace anomaly?

[QUOTE="septicvirus"][QUOTE="megaton3k"][QUOTE="septicvirus"]

So much for the Mighty RSX... err, I mean RSX + Cell combo. The man that almost everyone regards as one of the greatest developers out there, claims to have used 100% of the PS3's power - including teh Cell. The result, a game that is not as large as he wanted, AI not as expansive, textures not as high resolution.

He claims that he was MISLED about the POWER of the PS3. Is it going to far to think that all of the videogame fanboys may have been misled about capabilities of the PS3 also???

jessie5788

If you wanted to play MGS4 so bad, why didn't you buy the PS3 instead of what you have now?

Actually, I was planning on buying a PS3 just for MSG4. That is until the developer himself began the damage control saying that it is not going to live up the hype he created during the last couple years.

have you ever done something that everyone thought was great but you felt you could do better. thats the same with kojima. now you can skip mgs4 because kojima wanted to do more or with millions of others play the game and have a good time. its up to you. as we get closer we find out that this game is almost perfect.

That's your opinion about his intentions for saying what he said about his game. Truth be told, when a game you have been working on for years is finally about to hit the shelves (and it MUST sell EXTREMELY well) you don't start talking negatively about how it turned out.

I truly believe that the final build does not match the level of hype surrounding MSG4, and he's trying to do a little damage control to lower expectations a little. - so there is no backlash in the media or public.

[QUOTE="jessie5788"]

have you ever done something that everyone thought was great but you felt you could do better. thats the same with kojima. now you can skip mgs4 because kojima wanted to do more or with millions of others play the game and have a good time. its up to you. as we get closer we find out that this game is almost perfect.

Zassimick

Happened to me all the time in high school with Cross Country and track. Those were the good ol' days.

yeah i feel that way about most things i do. i mean at least kojima not being cocky and saying this the best thing he's ever done. yes its nice to have confidence but people will figure that mgs4 is his peak and he can't do any better. most people should fell like this it helps you improve.

[QUOTE="DarkCloud79"][QUOTE="Always-Honest"]

[QUOTE="DarkCloud79"] a game that's not being hyped as graphics showcase.Always-Honest

it IS being hyped as a graphical showcase...

By whom?

by many.... are you new here?.. i think it looks phenomenal too.. doubt much complicated Ps3 games will look better..the ps3 is just not very good with textures...

I don't think many say that MGS4 will be graphics king like they say with KZ2 or GeOW2, and I think you know that too.

[QUOTE="Always-Honest"][QUOTE="DarkCloud79"][QUOTE="Always-Honest"]

[QUOTE="DarkCloud79"] a game that's not being hyped as graphics showcase.DarkCloud79

it IS being hyped as a graphical showcase...

By whom?

by many.... are you new here?.. i think it looks phenomenal too.. doubt much complicated Ps3 games will look better..the ps3 is just not very good with textures...

I don't think many say that MGS4 will be graphics king like they say with KZ2 or GeOW2, and I think you know that too.

maybe not King, but close. and there are even many that say it will be king....

I really doubt it. MAtter of fact every dev says we use 100% of the X consoles power! And then The Sequel comes out, what do they say? "We found a great way to improve everything"

As for MGS 4, it has amazing character models, that are mindbowing. But the textures are far from being the best we've seen.

[QUOTE="DarkCloud79"][QUOTE="Always-Honest"][QUOTE="DarkCloud79"][QUOTE="Always-Honest"]

[QUOTE="DarkCloud79"] a game that's not being hyped as graphics showcase.Always-Honest

it IS being hyped as a graphical showcase...

By whom?

by many.... are you new here?.. i think it looks phenomenal too.. doubt much complicated Ps3 games will look better..the ps3 is just not very good with textures...

I don't think many say that MGS4 will be graphics king like they say with KZ2 or GeOW2, and I think you know that too.

maybe not King, but close. and there are even many that say it will be king....

I've read the whole MGS4 hype thread and almost all MGS4 threads created in SW and the PS3 forum, and I don't remember someone saying MGS4 will be graphics king. In fact most of the MGS4 graphics discussion are people saying it will be good looking after someone posts some pic and says the textures are bad. Almost the only times I've seen MGS4 praised by it's graphics is in the previews.

[QUOTE="Zassimick"][QUOTE="septicvirus"]

So much for the Mighty RSX... err, I mean RSX + Cell combo. The man that almost everyone regards as one of the greatest developers out there, claims to have used 100% of the PS3's power - including teh Cell. The result, a game that is not as large as he wanted, AI not as expansive, textures not as high resolution.

He claims that he was MISLED about the POWER of the PS3. Is it going to far to think that all of the videogame fanboys may have been misled about capabilities of the PS3 also???

septicvirus

Much like other threads on this matter have said, I believe he had such high expectations that not even the highest quality gaming PC might be able to pull off what he wanted. He wanted adaptive AI whose emotions would change with what was happening in battle; he wanted a large game world and I would think that the larger the game world, the lower the textures must be.

Just because those parts didn't meet his expectations, it doesn't mean that he believes his game is bad or that the AI is crappy, or the game is not large. The game looks great and I doubt we've seen the pinnacle of the PS3's power. Remember last gen? We didn't see the pinnacle of the PS2's power till the end and maybe the same is occuring here.

Will you say the same thing if it turns out that MSG4 really is running at 576p? That would mean that it is going backwards - and essentially has to start sacrificing graphics in order to allow for some of the other things going on in the game.

http://www.gamecollision.com/news/metal-gear-solid-4-qa-runs-60fps-720p-possible-1080p-more

MGS4 runs at 720p @ 60fps

Beyond3d are BSing themselves based on the trailers and screenshots they've seen on their tiny little monitor

they were right on some games but right after the games are out

I highly doubt that it's been that close. Uncharted is probably the closest to that so far, and Naughty Dog even said they had tons of room for improvement.

I'd say Resistance 2 is the next game to push the envelope even more. While Haze looks good, Resistance 2 looks better, the same goes for KZ2. MGS4 does have astounding character progamming, but landscapes leave me asking for more.

Just wait until games like: FF XIII, and KH III. And of course, the mother of them all, God of War III.bstarter29

When are you all going to get sick of saying that?" JUST WAIT " Sounds like a fricking broken record enough already. Where are the awesome games? JUst wait....just wait... COWS should have zero cred on these forums

Kojima has had unrealistic goals for his vision since MGS2, he said the same thing about the PS2. He wants his games to have as close to cinematic quality in graphics as possible and huge environments full of sofisiticated enemies. He wasn't given the full spec for the machine before starting preproduction so he could aim for any pie in the sky as far as he was concerned. Overall i think he got pretty close but had to compromise with the hardware limitations.

The hardware he most wants to work with is the PC but his team and konami want nothing to do with it, it's a indictaor that he want all the power he can get for his games.

Even though the Hardware has been maxed out with the MSG4 engine it doesn't mean a more efficient engine can use to hardware to even more effect. Look at Shaddow of the Collosus, it's all art direction and development in key areas that can push visuals further on the same hardware, not just poly count, filrate and the amount of shader effects active.