Has the Xbox 360 oversaturated the market?

[QUOTE="Cyber-"]

Yes you could but it would be less noticeable games that were not given as much attention. Not to mention were also talking about less informed gamers buying these games. Games that are not shooters generally dont sell well compared to those that are shooters.

SpruceCaboose

You said if you didn't like shooters, you were out of luck, and that you needed shooters to fill the library. Stop trying to back up with this "sales" or "less noticeable" qualifier.

I can make you a library containing plenty of non-shooters, which means if you don't like shooters, you would still be able to find plenty to play.

You are overexaggerating how well you would do without getting shooters. Also we are talking about how the market is for the 360 so bringing up sales is important, ignoring it would be foolish.. Either way the 360 is predominanatly seen with shooters liek it or not.

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="Cyber-"]

Yes you could but it would be less noticeable games that were not given as much attention. Not to mention were also talking about less informed gamers buying these games. Games that are not shooters generally dont sell well compared to those that are shooters.

Cyber-

You said if you didn't like shooters, you were out of luck, and that you needed shooters to fill the library. Stop trying to back up with this "sales" or "less noticeable" qualifier.

I can make you a library containing plenty of non-shooters, which means if you don't like shooters, you would still be able to find plenty to play.

You are overexaggerating how well you would do without getting shooters. Also we are talking about how the market is for the 360 so bringing up sales is important, ignoring it would be foolish.. Either way the 360 is predominanatly seen with shooters liek it or not.

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="Cyber-"]

Yes you could but it would be less noticeable games that were not given as much attention. Not to mention were also talking about less informed gamers buying these games. Games that are not shooters generally dont sell well compared to those that are shooters.

Cyber-

You said if you didn't like shooters, you were out of luck, and that you needed shooters to fill the library. Stop trying to back up with this "sales" or "less noticeable" qualifier.

I can make you a library containing plenty of non-shooters, which means if you don't like shooters, you would still be able to find plenty to play.

You are overexaggerating how well you would do without getting shooters. Also we are talking about how the market is for the 360 so bringing up sales is important, ignoring it would be foolish.. Either way the 360 is predominanatly seen with shooters liek it or not.

I was going off the exact words you typed, which mentioned nothing of sales, only that shooters were required to fill up a library. So here I go. A good library for most any gamer on SW would be 20 games...
1. GTA IV

The Orange Box (I won't number it since its mostly shooter, but Portal is not really a shooter, and is great)

2. Oblivion

3. Rock Band

4. Guitar Hero 2/3

5. Mass Effect

6. Rez HD

7. Forza 2

8. Virtua Fighter 5

9. Burnout

10. Geometry Wars

11. Skate

12. Dead or Alive 4

13. Viva Pinata

14. Fight Night Round 3

15. Dead Rising

16. Splinter Cell: Double Agent

17. DiRT

18. Crackdown

19. Devil May Cry 4

20. Rockstar's Table Tennis

21. Marvel: Ultimate Alliance

22. Assassin's Creed

23. Saint's Row

24. The BIGS

25. Ace Combat 6

26. Lego Star Wars

27. Tomb Raider Legend

28. Kameo

29. Bully

30. LotR: Battle for Middle Earth

31. Eternal Sonata

32. Lost Odysey

33. Lost Planet

....and that is only including 2 of the more popular Live Arcade games, and leaving almost all sports games out.

[QUOTE="Cyber-"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="Cyber-"]

Yes you could but it would be less noticeable games that were not given as much attention. Not to mention were also talking about less informed gamers buying these games. Games that are not shooters generally dont sell well compared to those that are shooters.

dooly420

You said if you didn't like shooters, you were out of luck, and that you needed shooters to fill the library. Stop trying to back up with this "sales" or "less noticeable" qualifier.

I can make you a library containing plenty of non-shooters, which means if you don't like shooters, you would still be able to find plenty to play.

You are overexaggerating how well you would do without getting shooters. Also we are talking about how the market is for the 360 so bringing up sales is important, ignoring it would be foolish.. Either way the 360 is predominanatly seen with shooters liek it or not.

congratulations sports fans are also big on 360 which also happen to tightly coincide with shooter fans. besides that I counted 18 shooter games

[QUOTE="dooly420"][QUOTE="Cyber-"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="Cyber-"]

Yes you could but it would be less noticeable games that were not given as much attention. Not to mention were also talking about less informed gamers buying these games. Games that are not shooters generally dont sell well compared to those that are shooters.

Cyber-

You said if you didn't like shooters, you were out of luck, and that you needed shooters to fill the library. Stop trying to back up with this "sales" or "less noticeable" qualifier.

I can make you a library containing plenty of non-shooters, which means if you don't like shooters, you would still be able to find plenty to play.

You are overexaggerating how well you would do without getting shooters. Also we are talking about how the market is for the 360 so bringing up sales is important, ignoring it would be foolish.. Either way the 360 is predominanatly seen with shooters liek it or not.

congratulations sports fans are also big on 360 which also happen to tightly coincide with shooter fans. besides that I counted 18 shooter games

Shooters and Sports games make up a large chunk of the PS3s library as well.

A small fact for you, pick any genre and you will find more games for it on the 360 than the PS3. The 360's year head start is still very evident.

[QUOTE="Cyber-"][QUOTE="dooly420"][QUOTE="Cyber-"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="Cyber-"]

Yes you could but it would be less noticeable games that were not given as much attention. Not to mention were also talking about less informed gamers buying these games. Games that are not shooters generally dont sell well compared to those that are shooters.

dooly420

You said if you didn't like shooters, you were out of luck, and that you needed shooters to fill the library. Stop trying to back up with this "sales" or "less noticeable" qualifier.

I can make you a library containing plenty of non-shooters, which means if you don't like shooters, you would still be able to find plenty to play.

You are overexaggerating how well you would do without getting shooters. Also we are talking about how the market is for the 360 so bringing up sales is important, ignoring it would be foolish.. Either way the 360 is predominanatly seen with shooters liek it or not.

congratulations sports fans are also big on 360 which also happen to tightly coincide with shooter fans. besides that I counted 18 shooter games

Naming non shooters does not disprove that.

Give it up shooters are a big part of the 360. Naming other games that arent shooters does not disprove that.Hyrule-master

No, but it does prove the point I was trying to prove, which is very clearly spelled out in the post. But thanks for playing.

Well my favourite genres are

Shooters (bioshock, alan wake, halo 3, Gears, Gears 2, Left 4 dead, Dead Rising, Perfect Dark Zero, i like the controls way better for shooters),

RPG's (blue dragon, lost odessy, eternal sonata, mass effect, fable 2, infinite undiscover, ninety-nine-nights, overlord, and i think if you want rpgs then the place to go is the 360)

Action ( Ninja Gaiden 2, Naruto:rise of a ninja, Splinter Cell:Conviction, Banjo Kazooie ,Ace Combat 6, Viva Piniata, Too Human

Racing (pgr 3, pgr 4, forza 2, Motogp6/7/8, Ridge Racer 6,

RTS (Universe at war, halo wars, LOTR:battle for middle earth, World in Conflict

Sandbox (Saints Row, APB)

And i was just listing the console exclusives.

The Xbox 360 has a very distinctive fanbase-- mostly shooter fans who enjoy playing games online. This is great news if you're... a shooter fan that enjoys playing games online. For everyone else, the 360 is lacking, and while it has a few good titles in other genres, I don't think that it covers the over genres quite as well. The phrase shooter fans who enjoy playing games online encompasses a lot of gamers, but I don't think it encompasses a majority, or even a plurality of gamers. People enjoy RPG's and action/adventure games that don't involve shooting!

Now that we're almost 2 years into the 360's lifecycle, do you think that the future games on the 360 will be more of the same? I do. If the games are more of the same, the console won't be expanding it's market share beyond what it already has. Now that I've built the thesis for my argument, this is the question I have for everyone:

Does everyone who wants an Xbox 360 already have one? Is the 360 successfully branching into other genres?

I think that basically everyone who wants a 360 already has one, and I do not think it is branching into other genres.

Attempts like Lost Odyssey and Blue Dragon into the RPG genre haven't been reaching out to the RPG fanbase. If anything, the people that are playing these games are the same people that already owned a 360. I can't remember the last time I played my 360 and I wasn't shooting... maybe Eternal Sonata...

Analysts are going to look back at the Xbox 360 and wonder why it fizzled out after such a great start, and the reason will be because it did not branch into other genres. The 360 was unable to expand it's horizons. Atleast that's what I think.

AmyMizuno

This is where I stopped reading.

Its 2008 and people still too ignorant to see other genres on 360. Heck, if 360's current library is "lacking", then PS3 and Wii are too.

[QUOTE="Hyrule-master"]Give it up shooters are a big part of the 360. Naming other games that arent shooters does not disprove that.SpruceCaboose

No, but it does prove the point I was trying to prove, which is very clearly spelled out in the post. But thanks for playing.

Actually it does. Shooting and sports are grabbed by the same people. People see games like GTA and Saint's Row as a shooting game. Even Mass Effect chose to use guns heavily in the gameplay even if it was no where near a shooter there must be a reason they used that as the weapon(obviously to appeal to the crowd that they want to buy it). The point is getting different markets and thats why people think its dried up on 360 at the moment.

Actually it does. Shooting and sports are grabbed by the same people. People see games like GTA and Saint's Row as a shooting game. Even Mass Effect chose to use guns heavily in the gameplay even if it was no where near a shooter there must be a reason they used that as the weapon(obviously to appeal to the crowd that they want to buy it). The point is getting different markets and thats why people think its dried up on 360 at the moment.Hyrule-master

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]

[QUOTE="Hyrule-master"]Give it up shooters are a big part of the 360. Naming other games that arent shooters does not disprove that.Hyrule-master

No, but it does prove the point I was trying to prove, which is very clearly spelled out in the post. But thanks for playing.

Actually it does. Shooting and sports are grabbed by the same people. People see games like GTA and Saint's Row as a shooting game. Even Mass Effect chose to use guns heavily in the gameplay even if it was no where near a shooter there must be a reason they used that as the weapon(obviously to appeal to the crowd that they want to buy it). The point is getting different markets and thats why people think its dried up on 360 at the moment.

Sorry, your perception of a game does not mean it is reality. GTA, Saints Row, and Crackdown are action adventure sandbox games. Mass Effect is very obviously not a shooter. And that is 4 of the 33 games I listed...

Would you like to try telling me how Oblivion is a shooter, since you can go into first person? How about Table Tennis? The paddles look a little like guns?

Speaking of guns, when I hold the guitar controller from Guitar Hero 3, it kinda looks like an old school tommy-gun, must be a shooter.

Come off it. The 360 has plenty of non-shooters, just like not all PS3 games are shooters, and not all Wii games are mini-games, unless you prefer stereotypes over reality.

[QUOTE="Hyrule-master"]Actually it does. Shooting and sports are grabbed by the same people. People see games like GTA and Saint's Row as a shooting game. Even Mass Effect chose to use guns heavily in the gameplay even if it was no where near a shooter there must be a reason they used that as the weapon(obviously to appeal to the crowd that they want to buy it). The point is getting different markets and thats why people think its dried up on 360 at the moment.dooly420

Um ya they do it in KOTOR. Maybe there was a thematic reason buts its pretty obvious they used guns to appeal to a generally unaccpeting RPG crowd. Besides that they might as well gone the whole circle and use "lazer" swords.

The 360 has branched out quite a bit. You can tell by compairing the sales of the original Xbox versus the 360. Another indicator is greater thrid party development. I think that you maybe confusing a "gaming trend" versus console competition. During the 16 or 8 bit eras the trend was side scroller sprite based games. Many copied and pasted formulas over and over. One good example of this was Ninja Gaiden, which was heavly influenced by Castlevania I believe.

The current trend is First person or third person shooter. I don't think any popular RPG games will move consoles at least not any where outside the Asian market. The slow down of console sales is an indication of need for a price drop. The PS3 is selling better but is dealing with the same issues. Nintendo has a price point advantage and a good "gimmick" to keep moving the console. Nintendo also loves to create demand issues to keep the hype for their consoles as well. I also believe that Nintendo is tapping into new gamers more than ps3 and 360.

Overall 360 has branched out quite a bit since the console transition from xbox. I have always believed that it would take about 2-3 generations of consoles for MS to take a majority share of the market. I think during this next cycle of consoles Nintendo will maintain a lead depending on how much the improve the hardware. Microsoft will gain a bigger peice of the market pie and Sony will lose some of its foothold again. Not alot by the way and you will see a first three way competition since SEGA, Nintendo, and Sony. Well first competition that will not make a company pull out of hardware!

The Xbox 360 has a very distinctive fanbase-- mostly shooter fans who enjoy playing games online. This is great news if you're... a shooter fan that enjoys playing games online. For everyone else, the 360 is lacking, and while it has a few good titles in other genres, I don't think that it covers the over genres quite as well. The phrase shooter fans who enjoy playing games online encompasses a lot of gamers, but I don't think it encompasses a majority, or even a plurality of gamers. People enjoy RPG's and action/adventure games that don't involve shooting!

Now that we're almost 2 years into the 360's lifecycle, do you think that the future games on the 360 will be more of the same? I do. If the games are more of the same, the console won't be expanding it's market share beyond what it already has. Now that I've built the thesis for my argument, this is the question I have for everyone:

Does everyone who wants an Xbox 360 already have one? Is the 360 successfully branching into other genres?

I think that basically everyone who wants a 360 already has one, and I do not think it is branching into other genres.

Attempts like Lost Odyssey and Blue Dragon into the RPG genre haven't been reaching out to the RPG fanbase. If anything, the people that are playing these games are the same people that already owned a 360. I can't remember the last time I played my 360 and I wasn't shooting... maybe Eternal Sonata...

Analysts are going to look back at the Xbox 360 and wonder why it fizzled out after such a great start, and the reason will be because it did not branch into other genres. The 360 was unable to expand it's horizons. Atleast that's what I think.

AmyMizuno

i guess you are trying to compare this to the ps3?? when you spoke of rpg's you forgot about mass effect and how the competetion has zero exclusive rpgs to thier console.

the wii has the best variation , the atm the 360 blows the ps3 out of the water

[QUOTE="Hyrule-master"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]

[QUOTE="Hyrule-master"]Give it up shooters are a big part of the 360. Naming other games that arent shooters does not disprove that.SpruceCaboose

No, but it does prove the point I was trying to prove, which is very clearly spelled out in the post. But thanks for playing.

Actually it does. Shooting and sports are grabbed by the same people. People see games like GTA and Saint's Row as a shooting game. Even Mass Effect chose to use guns heavily in the gameplay even if it was no where near a shooter there must be a reason they used that as the weapon(obviously to appeal to the crowd that they want to buy it). The point is getting different markets and thats why people think its dried up on 360 at the moment.

Sorry, your perception of a game does not mean it is reality. GTA, Saints Row, and Crackdown are action adventure sandbox games. Mass Effect is very obviously not a shooter. And that is 4 of the 33 games I listed...

Would you like to try telling me how Oblivion is a shooter, since you can go into first person? How about Table Tennis? The paddles look a little like guns?

Speaking of guns, when I hold the guitar controller from Guitar Hero 3, it kinda looks like an old school tommy-gun, must be a shooter.

Come off it. The 360 has plenty of non-shooters, just like not all PS3 games are shooters, and not all Wii games are mini-games, unless you prefer stereotypes over reality.

speaking of out of context and unnecessary hostility. People see it how they see it. The reality may be different than the public see. The whole concept is that 360 fans are generally leaning towards shooters. Whether they have guns in it or its a real hardcore shooter it does not matter. If your gonna tell me that rPG fans are likely to be similar to sports fans im done with this conversation.

[QUOTE="dooly420"][QUOTE="Hyrule-master"]Actually it does. Shooting and sports are grabbed by the same people. People see games like GTA and Saint's Row as a shooting game. Even Mass Effect chose to use guns heavily in the gameplay even if it was no where near a shooter there must be a reason they used that as the weapon(obviously to appeal to the crowd that they want to buy it). The point is getting different markets and thats why people think its dried up on 360 at the moment.Hyrule-master

Um ya they do it in KOTOR. Maybe there was a thematic reason buts its pretty obvious they used guns to appeal to a generally unaccpeting RPG crowd. Besides that they might as well gone the whole circle and use "lazer" swords.

[QUOTE="Hyrule-master"][QUOTE="dooly420"][QUOTE="Hyrule-master"]Actually it does. Shooting and sports are grabbed by the same people. People see games like GTA and Saint's Row as a shooting game. Even Mass Effect chose to use guns heavily in the gameplay even if it was no where near a shooter there must be a reason they used that as the weapon(obviously to appeal to the crowd that they want to buy it). The point is getting different markets and thats why people think its dried up on 360 at the moment.dooly420

Um ya they do it in KOTOR. Maybe there was a thematic reason buts its pretty obvious they used guns to appeal to a generally unaccpeting RPG crowd. Besides that they might as well gone the whole circle and use "lazer" swords.

thats nice and all but it was not their only reason as to why they used guns.

speaking of out of context and unnecessary hostility. People see it how they see it. The reality may be different than the public see. The whole concept is that 360 fans are generally leaning towards shooters. Whether they have guns in it or its a real hardcore shooter it does not matter. If your gonna tell me that rPG fans are likely to be similar to sports fans im done with this conversation.

Hyrule-master

Speaking out of context?

You came into a conversation that was between me and -Cyber and tried to tell me what I was and was not proving, and you were wrong about that.

Then you tried telling me what genre games were in, since guns were involved, which was an incorrect deduction.

Then, you are trying to use this concept of "general perception" which is, at best, completely subjective and therefore un-debatable, and at worse, complete garbage, since you don't have a standard sample of people to make up your population or sample, and you have not conducted, or have proof of any such, research to say what is the general "public perception" of those games.

speaking of out of context and unnecessary hostility. People see it how they see it. The reality may be different than the public see. The whole concept is that 360 fans are generally leaning towards shooters. Whether they have guns in it or its a real hardcore shooter it does not matter. If your gonna tell me that rPG fans are likely to be similar to sports fans im done with this conversation.

Hyrule-master

And again, I was saying nothing of what 360 owners lean to. I was speaking ONLY to what -Cyber said, which was that a 360 library would HAVE TO consist of shooters, or at least constain some shooters. That was the whole debate between us. Not what 360 owners prefer, not what they buy most, and not what fans of what genre like the 360.

[QUOTE="Hyrule-master"]

speaking of out of context and unnecessary hostility. People see it how they see it. The reality may be different than the public see. The whole concept is that 360 fans are generally leaning towards shooters. Whether they have guns in it or its a real hardcore shooter it does not matter. If your gonna tell me that rPG fans are likely to be similar to sports fans im done with this conversation.

SpruceCaboose

Speaking out of context?

You came into a conversation that was between me and -Cyber and tried to tell me what I was and was not proving, and you were wrong about that.

Then you tried telling me what genre games were in, since guns were involved, which was an incorrect deduction.

Then, you are trying to use this concept of "general perception" which is, at best, completely subjective and therefore un-debatable, and at worse, complete garbage, since you don't have a standard sample of people to make up your population or sample, and you have not conducted, or have proof of any such, research to say what is the general "public perception" of those games.

I stil dont see why you get so mad but whatever. Its pretty appearant. Most games that have sold well, have sold well because of the same market and thats the problem. Again if your gonna try and tell me that a big part of the RPG fans play racing/sports games that would be crazy.

This is a forums everyone can talk. If you did not want talk to me then you should not have in the first place, esp since this is so life threatening for you. Its pretty obvious that shooting games whatever genre they are in sell well on 360. And you could say games like SC and GTA are shooters. Either way it does not really matter because thats what most of the people buying them see it as.

I stil dont see why you get so mad but whatever. Its pretty appearant. Most games that have sold well, have sold well because of the same market and thats the problem. Again if your gonna try and tell me that a big part of the RPG fans play racing/sports games that would be crazy.

This is a forums everyone can talk. If you did not want talk to me then you should not have in the first place, esp since this is so life threatening for you. Its pretty obvious that shooting games whatever genre they are in sell well on 360. And you could say games like SC and GTA are shooters. Either way it does not really matter because thats what most of the people buying them see it as.

Hyrule-master

Read my last post. I was only speaking about one very narrow, clearly defined point. That is why I got mad. You came into a debate and took my point for something it was not. I was not proving that the 360 is not home to many shooter fans. I was only proving the point that you could build a large 360 game library without having any shooters in it.

[QUOTE="Hyrule-master"]

I stil dont see why you get so mad but whatever. Its pretty appearant. Most games that have sold well, have sold well because of the same market and thats the problem. Again if your gonna try and tell me that a big part of the RPG fans play racing/sports games that would be crazy.

This is a forums everyone can talk. If you did not want talk to me then you should not have in the first place, esp since this is so life threatening for you. Its pretty obvious that shooting games whatever genre they are in sell well on 360. And you could say games like SC and GTA are shooters. Either way it does not really matter because thats what most of the people buying them see it as.

SpruceCaboose

Read my last post. I was only speaking about one very narrow, clearly defined point. That is why I got mad. You came into a debate and took my point for something it was not. I was not proving that the 360 is not home to many shooter fans. I was only proving the point that you could build a large 360 game library with out having any shooters in it.

Even that may be a stretch for some, look at how long the 360 has been out, but whatever you seem to get really mad when people dont see your 360 as a variety game machine. id say the 360 lacks variety but its being fixed esp compared to the original Xbox. Saying its balanced in genres is an oversight.

[QUOTE="dooly420"][QUOTE="Hyrule-master"][QUOTE="dooly420"][QUOTE="Hyrule-master"]Actually it does. Shooting and sports are grabbed by the same people. People see games like GTA and Saint's Row as a shooting game. Even Mass Effect chose to use guns heavily in the gameplay even if it was no where near a shooter there must be a reason they used that as the weapon(obviously to appeal to the crowd that they want to buy it). The point is getting different markets and thats why people think its dried up on 360 at the moment.Hyrule-master

Um ya they do it in KOTOR. Maybe there was a thematic reason buts its pretty obvious they used guns to appeal to a generally unaccpeting RPG crowd. Besides that they might as well gone the whole circle and use "lazer" swords.

thats nice and all but it was not their only reason as to why they used guns.

Can you please go away unless youre a member of bioware who knows what they do and why they do it, you do not know anything about why they choose to have guns in it and why, you can only guess. Maybe they just though that in 100 years time everyone will just be using guns to fight with.

[QUOTE="Hyrule-master"][QUOTE="dooly420"][QUOTE="Hyrule-master"][QUOTE="dooly420"][QUOTE="Hyrule-master"]Actually it does. Shooting and sports are grabbed by the same people. People see games like GTA and Saint's Row as a shooting game. Even Mass Effect chose to use guns heavily in the gameplay even if it was no where near a shooter there must be a reason they used that as the weapon(obviously to appeal to the crowd that they want to buy it). The point is getting different markets and thats why people think its dried up on 360 at the moment.angelkimne

Um ya they do it in KOTOR. Maybe there was a thematic reason buts its pretty obvious they used guns to appeal to a generally unaccpeting RPG crowd. Besides that they might as well gone the whole circle and use "lazer" swords.

thats nice and all but it was not their only reason as to why they used guns.

Can you please go away unless youre a member of bioware who knows what they do and why they do it, you do not know anything about why they choose to have guns in it and why, you can only guess. Maybe they just though that in 100 years time everyone will just be using guns to fight with.

Ya sure, you can that and you can also be rude, but its pretty obvious.

Even that may be a stretch for some, look at how long the 360 has been out, but whatever you seem to get really mad when people dont see your 360 as a variety game machine. id say the 360 lacks variety but its being fixed esp compared to the original Xbox. Saying its balanced in genres is an oversight.

Hyrule-master

I don't care what you say about the 360. That is very far removed from why I got mad. I got mad because you are taking my point and turning it into a debate that it was not even remotely meant for. You can call the 360 a giant hunk of crap for all I care. I have nothing tangible to gain or lose from it. I have the games I love on multiple systems, and I enjoy the variety on all the systems.

But I do mind when my posts are taken for what they were not meant for, especially when the arguement was clearly defined in the post itself. You can make a lineup on any of the systems that excludes one genre. Its not hard to do. And my point was that people who say that a console (any console) has only one genre are people who prefer not looking and seeing the truth.

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="Hyrule-master"]

I stil dont see why you get so mad but whatever. Its pretty appearant. Most games that have sold well, have sold well because of the same market and thats the problem. Again if your gonna try and tell me that a big part of the RPG fans play racing/sports games that would be crazy.

This is a forums everyone can talk. If you did not want talk to me then you should not have in the first place, esp since this is so life threatening for you. Its pretty obvious that shooting games whatever genre they are in sell well on 360. And you could say games like SC and GTA are shooters. Either way it does not really matter because thats what most of the people buying them see it as.

Hyrule-master

Read my last post. I was only speaking about one very narrow, clearly defined point. That is why I got mad. You came into a debate and took my point for something it was not. I was not proving that the 360 is not home to many shooter fans. I was only proving the point that you could build a large 360 game library with out having any shooters in it.

Even that may be a stretch for some, look at how long the 360 has been out, but whatever you seem to get really mad when people dont see your 360 as a variety game machine. id say the 360 lacks variety but its being fixed esp compared to the original Xbox. Saying its balanced in genres is an oversight.

Well what is your console of choice ? If you say wii then all that has is one good fighting game and lots of party games and platformers. And if you say ps3 well go back yo my first post in this thread and come up with a list better than that.

RPG's

1. Fable 2
2. Infinity Undiscovery
3. Too Human
4. Tales of Vesparia
5. The Last Remnant
6. Fallout 3

Strategy

1. End War
2. Halo Wars
3. Sup Com
4. Universe at War: Earth Assault
5. World in Conflict
6. Operation Darkness
7. Spectral Force 3
8. Command and Conquer 3: Kane's Wrath
9. Warhammer: Battle March

Shooters:

1. Gears of War 2
2. Quake Wars
3. Unreal Tournment 3
4. Battlefield: Bad Company
5. Brothers in Arms: Hell's Highway
6. Project Origin
7. Left 4 Dead

Action/Adventure:

1. Ninja Gaiden 2
2. Alone in the Dark
3. Saints Row 2
4. Merenaries 2: World in Flames
5. Star Wars: The Force Unleashed
6. Splinter Cell: Conviction
7. Dead Space
8. Brutal Legend
9. Alan Wake

I'd say it's reaching out more, the PS3 is getting as many, if not MORE shooters then the 360( Tack on Resistance 2, Killzone 2, and Haze. And remove Left 4 Dead and Gears of War 2.). So are we going to call the PS3 a console only for shooters now?

millwrought

exactly!!

Well what is your console of choice ? If you say wii then all that has is one good fighting game and lots of party games and platformers. And if you say ps3 well go back yo my first post in this thread and come up with a list better than that.

angelkimne

Lets also keep in mind that I am in no way bashing any of the systems. The Wii is home to much more than one fighting game, and the PS3 has plenty of great games on it as well.

[QUOTE="angelkimne"]

Well what is your console of choice ? If you say wii then all that has is one good fighting game and lots of party games and platformers. And if you say ps3 well go back yo my first post in this thread and come up with a list better than that.

SpruceCaboose

Lets also keep in mind that I am in no way bashing any of the systems. The Wii is home to much more than one fighting game, and the PS3 has plenty of great games on it as well.

Im not saying it doesnt have any, but what other one than SSBB.

[QUOTE="Hyrule-master"]

Even that may be a stretch for some, look at how long the 360 has been out, but whatever you seem to get really mad when people dont see your 360 as a variety game machine. id say the 360 lacks variety but its being fixed esp compared to the original Xbox. Saying its balanced in genres is an oversight.

SpruceCaboose

I don't care what you say about the 360. That is very far removed from why I got mad. I got mad because you are taking my point and turning it into a debate that it was not even remotely meant for. You can call the 360 a giant hunk of crap for all I care. I have nothing tangible to gain or lose from it. I have the games I love on multiple systems, and I enjoy the variety on all the systems.

But I do mind when my posts are taken for what they were not meant for, especially when the arguement was clearly defined in the post itself. You can make a lineup on any of the systems that excludes one genre. Its not hard to do. And my point was that people who say that a console (any console) has only one genre are people who prefer not looking and seeing the truth.

Nothing is absolue but plenty can be predominant. I love the 360 as well but I am not gonna pretend thats its predominantly still big on shooters. If you were to say it is as balanced as the PS1 or the SNES was in its type of games that would be totally false. It seems every console this generation will be victim of that but its pretty clear that is how it is still on tthe 360.

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="angelkimne"]

Well what is your console of choice ? If you say wii then all that has is one good fighting game and lots of party games and platformers. And if you say ps3 well go back yo my first post in this thread and come up with a list better than that.

angelkimne

Lets also keep in mind that I am in no way bashing any of the systems. The Wii is home to much more than one fighting game, and the PS3 has plenty of great games on it as well.

Im not saying it doesnt have any, but what other one than SSBB.

I think I misread your post. I was reading it as you saying the Wii's only good game was Smash, when you were meaning that the Wii has only one fighting game. I get it now. My mistake.

Nothing is absolue but plenty can be predominant. I love the 360 as well but I am not gonna pretend thats its predominantly still big on shooters. If you were to say it is as balanced as the PS1 or the SNES was in its type of games that would be totally false. It seems every console this generation will be victim of that but its pretty clear that is how it is still on tthe 360.

Hyrule-master

I agree that the 360's bigger games are shooters, and I was not saying it is balanced or predominantly anything.

I was only stating that it has its share of non-shooter games, and that there are enough non-shooters at this stage to where you could form a sizable library consisting of only AA or higher rated games that are not shooters in the pure sense of the term (using Gamerankings, and I don't care to debate Gamerankings, just used it for simplicity).

Now, I am sorry I lost my temper, I did not mean to be rude. I can't sleep, and I am grumpy. I am usually much more pleasant. :D

Now, I am off to try sleeping again...Night!

EDITS: Spelling and grammar.

The 360 is fine by me.. some amazing rpgs (mass effect, Lost Odyssey, etc..) some great online shooters and the best online racing game of all time (forza2).

And with Ninja Gaiden, Banjoo and Allen Wake coming soon (along with some other promessing rpgs in the future), the 360 has a bright future.

[QUOTE="robflores370"]hmm......and the most anticipated titles on the ps3 are Haze, resistance 2, and MGS4...all which play online also....and call of duty 4 just sold three million on the ps3AmyMizuno

That's why I'm glad I own a Wii, I can honestly say if I'd bought a 360 all I'd own would be, Dead Rising, GTA4, GH3 (which I have anyway) and either CoD4 or Gears of War. I would probably have played 3 or 4 more but not many. Yet my Wii I've played like 25 games on it, and they've been loads of different genres, rail shooter, driving, third person shooter, free roaming adventure, point and click, wacky hack and slasher (NMH), and quite a few more.

[QUOTE="AmyMizuno"][QUOTE="robflores370"]hmm......and the most anticipated titles on the ps3 are Haze, resistance 2, and MGS4...all which play online also....and call of duty 4 just sold three million on the ps3bobbetybob

That's why I'm glad I own a Wii, I can honestly say if I'd bought a 360 all I'd own would be, Dead Rising, GTA4, GH3 (which I have anyway) and either CoD4 or Gears of War. I would probably have played 3 or 4 more but not many. Yet my Wii I've played like 25 games on it, and they've been loads of different genres, rail shooter, driving, third person shooter, free roaming adventure, point and click, wacky hack and slasher (NMH), and quite a few more.

You forgot the best racing game of all time.. FORZA 2 :P

They are still selling 100,000s of 360s every month, so they cant have saturated the market.....cakeorrdeath

Don't kid yourself, that's people re-buying 360 because of RROD.

[QUOTE="bobbetybob"]

[QUOTE="AmyMizuno"][QUOTE="robflores370"]hmm......and the most anticipated titles on the ps3 are Haze, resistance 2, and MGS4...all which play online also....and call of duty 4 just sold three million on the ps3kozzy1234

That's why I'm glad I own a Wii, I can honestly say if I'd bought a 360 all I'd own would be, Dead Rising, GTA4, GH3 (which I have anyway) and either CoD4 or Gears of War. I would probably have played 3 or 4 more but not many. Yet my Wii I've played like 25 games on it, and they've been loads of different genres, rail shooter, driving, third person shooter, free roaming adventure, point and click, wacky hack and slasher (NMH), and quite a few more.

You forgot the best racing game of all time.. FORZA 2 :P

I only like arcadey racers, so I'd possibly have bought Burnout Paradise as one of the other games.

[QUOTE="cakeorrdeath"]They are still selling 100,000s of 360s every month, so they cant have saturated the market.....Sliverwarrior

Don't kid yourself, that's people re-buying 360 because of RROD.

:) dont be so harsh....

[QUOTE="Sliverwarrior"]

[QUOTE="cakeorrdeath"]They are still selling 100,000s of 360s every month, so they cant have saturated the market.....Malta_1980

Don't kid yourself, that's people re-buying 360 because of RROD.

:) dont be so harsh....

Didn't mean too, but I just had to say that.

the 360 has more variety and a broader range of titles coming out than the PS3micki_free

HUGE MS fanboy here, nothing to see here, move along.

[QUOTE="cakeorrdeath"]They are still selling 100,000s of 360s every month, so they cant have saturated the market.....Sliverwarrior

Don't kid yourself, that's people re-buying 360 because of RROD.

and the 80 or so million people that repurchased a ps1 and ps2 cause of the problems those systems had.

thats nice and all but it was not their only reason as to why they used guns. Hyrule-master

Yea, another reason adding laser swords would be copying Star Wars. Adding guns does not make it a shooter. Mass Effect is an Action RPG. It takes place in the year 2183, so using swords and axes would be pointless, today military does not use swords so why should the military in the year 2183 use swords when they have 'smart' guns that has nearly unlimited ammo with computers that help with targeting.