Have You Forgiven Microsoft For Their Sins With The Xbox One?

See ya!

Persecution complex, much? In a lot of my past posts in the threads you're referring to, I said several things in staunch defense of Microsoft, and others still in criticism of them. If you're under the impression this thread has been posted with some sort of an agenda in mind, you're just fooling yourself because it's easier to do so.

You guys seem to be putting plenty of time into replying to a thread that is "clearly a trolling attempt." If you think it is, you don't have to reply, but don't try to slap that onto a thread just because you disagree with it. You HAVE replied, though, and I haven't seen you make a single valid argument so far.

"I disagree with you, you're obviously trolling because you seem to agree with other people who I also disagree with" is what you're saying right now.

You broke his spirit.

Threads about the PS3, a dead system, as threads about the Xbox One, an active one?

I see.

I have no dog in the fight. I own all systems and like them all for their strengths. I just see this thread being made being made over and over and I'm wondering why mods aren't closing these as they're just spam?

I think he is implying that the Xbox One is about as relevant now as the last generation, dead and obsolete PS3. I may be misreading, but I see no other reason to make such a comparison.

Your list is mostly a batch of bullshit just letting you know, But no I've not forgiven them for things I preceived as sins during the middle, end of the 360 generation, and the beginning of the xbox one generation.

I've had more than once had the option of either receiving a free xbox one, or getting one at an extremely low cost without a harddrive. *I have 1tb 2.5s, and externals that I could have used* but I refused those offers because I would have just sold it for extra cash.

I think it was broken before I said a word.

@brn-dn: but them poliics never happened , NEVER . I've been a day one xbox1 ownet and never seen any of that DRM crap. I never jumped on the hate xb1 bandwagon but I wasn't happy about the DRM but ms bent over backwards to fix things but at least they have been honest unlike the sony

One user has posted three threads implying criticism of the system in the past week and a half. I, a completely different user, made a thread, raised valid different points, and made an effort by putting thought into those points. All points, by the way, that I feel about, not points I made to follow some trend.

Yes, I'm absolutely spamming.

I'll reply to this because it's warping my clearly written and implied sentence, and you know exactly what I was saying and it sure as hell isn't that, your cow mind is running rampant.

It's 2016, those things have no relevance anymore, none, just like the PlayStation 3 folly's have no relevance anymore, time has past, things were corrected, fixed and reworked, there's nothing to talk about here. It's just a thread trying to make non-existent problems seem relevant in a time they no longer are with a long drawn out list, get a grip...

@WilliamRLBaker: I am curious, what caused you to be disillusioned with Microsoft?

All these threads shitting on his employer must be taking a toll on him.

Again, you keep replying. If you thought this was a troll thread (it isn't, but sure, if believing that helps you sleep at night, what do I care), you shouldn't have bothered replying. After that, you shouldn't have bothered replying again. Or again. Or every time after that.

Either add something of value to the conversation, or please, by all means, get out. You seem to think it's a trolling attempt, that's easy for you to believe since you obviously seem to have no valid arguments against the points I raised. Leaving seems to be your only option right now.

Glad you admit you're spamming. *hand shake* we agree :)

The thread doesn't even try to make the problems seem relevant, it literally starts and ends by saying these problems are not problems anymore, can you seriously not read, or do you not read?

Those problems once existed- the thread is, simply, asking if people have gotten over whatever grudge they may have once held over Microsoft for those problems. It's not even once criticized the state of the Xbox One as it is right now, it acknowledges that Microsoft have done a good job fixing all of these problems multiple times.

Do long OPs just scare you off? Is that why you not read them? Because it's clear you don't read them.

All of these topics have been discussed to death in your threads. I just don't understand the appeal of doing it all over again like we're Bill Murray from Groundhog Day.

Spare me your bullshit, you're the largest perpetrator as of late with this Xbox One spam so I'm not expecting very much out of you. It doesn't mean they're problems any longer, but it does highlight them for the sake of doing so, as a reminder to people of problems in the past that are exactly that, in the past.

You people have become so transparent in your motivations and the frequency in which you introduce this crap it's like you're being paid to do it... It's deplorable...

Sayonara.

Shouldn't we just sticky one thread like this and have everyone just comment in there over and over again instead of having these same threads made in different ways and forms with a few different words lol. With game reviews all threads get locked if it's the same game review over and over again but we have about 4 threads pretty much saying the same thing on the 1st page on here lol and no is locking them. It's like how many times can people argue and debate the same topic 50 different way.

Hasta la vista, baby.

Thank you!

I think there is some sort of misconception at work here, because I made two Xbox One discussion threads, both discussing its games lineup, albeit a different aspect each time. By my count, there are, what, fifteen points in the OP? I am pretty sure 2=/=15

Jesus, your unbelievable persecution complex when it comes to the Xbox One seriously muddles your thinking. Get a grip, man. I've talked about whether or not the problems that don't exist anymore still have an impact on prospective buyers. The fact that most people have actually bothered replying, unlike you, who just flew off the handle and started rambling about some bullshit agenda, shows that that is a relevant question.

In my opinion, the subject is very akin to why I trust Bernie Sanders more than Hillary Clinton. It's super easy for Hillary to say it was a mistake to vote in favor of the war in Iraq but at the end of the day, it's a condemnation of her judgement.

I don't see why XBOX Two won't repeat those mistakes. In fact, when Microsoft were pressed about the issues regarding DRM, they gave us all a bucket of shit about not understanding their messaging rather than saying that they were doing wrong.

Until that is addressed, I see no reason to support their brand in gaming. They make Hillary Clinton look sympathetic in comparison. On top of that, their wreckless price cuts caused the WiiU to go to an early grave. Their liquid assets (aka money piles) were once looked at as a huge asset to gaming. Now I see it as a threat to gaming. They have done incredibly little to dissuade that opinion.

Your initial points in your OP isn't what I was addressing. All the points he posted in this thread were discussed multiple times in the threads by other posts over the course over almost 1000 posts(might be more, I haven't checked). It seems like the OP for this thread just took talking points from that thread and put it in a new one, to stir things up again.

I don't think there's any conspiracy theory shit going on here, it's just blatant that it's spam.

lmao

That is not true at all. Again, those threads discussed the Xbox One games, and sometimes the Xbox One's power (or lack of it). They did not ever discuss any of the other points that are variously raised in this OP.

lol....what?

No seriously....what?

So if I went through your threads and found these talking points being discussed(which I probably won't), would you close this thread for being spam?

Like you said, you wouldn't find those points.

This thread would be closed if it:

a) Degenerated into flaming
b) Failed to raise any valuable discussion, either by being derailed and going off topic, or by running its course, and somehow still remaining active
c) Raised identical discussion to one currently happening elsewhere in an active thread

As of right now, it meets none of those criteria.

@nyadc: @n64dd:You know, for two people who seem to have SUCH an issue with this being a copy and paste job, you seem to be putting a lot of time and effort into making constant replies.

Your disruptive posting, which is clearly derailing this thread, is a lot more worthy of getting modded than this thread, I'd say.

Nya, man, if you seriously care as little about this thread as you claim you do, stop replying. Start doing what you said you're going to do and stop writing about it. Let people have a conversation that is actually relevant to the thread.

If you guys want to reply, though, I'd genuinely be glad to hear your take on what I said in the OP.

And yet here you are, shitposting.

With regards to the topic: The reality is, Microsoft got my money for an Xbox One this gen, and if they come out with the Xbox 3 in gen 9, I'll probably end up buying that too. "Sins" is too harsh of a word for some bad design decisions.

Hopefully for the XB1 Scalebound and Quantum Break won't go over to the PC. Those two games look awesome, and the XB1 needs exclusives like that.

No, a lot of people enjoy the XB1.

Agreed, there's no doubt they've tried very hard to make amends. They need to keep up a strong first party, though, or else this is pretty much a lost battle for them. They need to a) keep current/upcoming exclusives, well, exclusive (QB and Scalebound, for example, need to remain on the XB1 exclusively) and b) keep up a steady stream of quality exclusives for the system.

Here's a pro tip for you, clown: When you say "I'm out", that's supposed to be your last post in thread.

@nyadc wow man, just fully read the OP and wow you as usual jumped the gun; the TC even states that these issues are either fixed or in the process of being fixed and that even though the Xbox One doesn't appeal to him, he finds it commendable the amount of effort they're putting in to turn things around.

I'm declaring this clown music as your theme song.

The O.P. has listed quite the number of things and so many that addressing every concern would take far too long so I'll only focus on a few.

The entire E3 fiasco wasn't going to stop me from purchasing the X1. If it was going to do anything, it might have prevented how long I weathered the storm by staying on the 360 until I switched to its successor. The initial DRM and always online was squashed so that was that and ended up not hindering my purchase that Xmas. The price drop is irrelevant. Early adopters take such a risk by purchasing the product upon release. Either you lose out on a price drop or packed in games or both. It's been that way for a very long time. This is nothing new with the X1. Many of the concerns listed in the O.P. are trivial though. Batteries, the size of the power brick, the size of the console, etc.., are bogus issues IMO.

Sure, the price drop issue is always a risk if you buy a system on launch, but look the the 3DS. At least when Nintendo brought that down from $250 to $170 (I don't remember the exact figures), they had the decency to call in the Ambassador Program. I mean, ten free GBA/NES classics doesn't exactly make up for the system's terrible launch, bit it was something, and in the long run, it more than made up for buying the system on launch and then watching its price fall drastically just a few months later.

The initial DRM issues have been dealt with, yes- and props to MS for doing that.

AA batteries in a controller is a very relevant issue. It's 2016, ffs.

No, most of the things I liked about the Xbox brand went up in smoke. I also don't doubt that they'll bring back the DRM next gen, but they'll make sure to use more flowery words during their marketing campaign. As for the game library itself, there's nothing on it now or in the foreseeable future that makes me feel like I'm missing out. It sucks because I love the Xbox and 360, but unfortunately MS decided to go full, you know what.

That's the worst part. The 360 was a magnificent system, and Microsoft seem to have lost a large part of what made it so great.

I got one a year after it released because it had (and still has) a more interesting line-up of console exclusives available at the moment, PS4 has better prospects but its been two years and that's all it's had is better prospects, it needs to start delivering, this finally seems to be the year it appears they'll do so.

No, I don't hold MS's reveal mistakes against them anymore. Most of the bad press was collateral consequences of poor damage control. The seed of their biggest mistake was their vision of a discless system. Everything else was a result of damage controlling that. In order to have a discless system you'd have to have user account system which the games you buy would have the licenses for that game attached to, requiring online for initial registration, at that point it'd be like managing your Steam games online. Problem is, that kills the used game or game sharing market structure which upset a lot of people even before the reveal.

So, in their decision not block used game sales, yet still keep it a discless system, that's where things took a turn for the worse. The first and best solution would have been to say "if you want a discless system, buy your games digitally". Basically it should have been what it is now, games install to HDD to play but require disc presence for rights verification. The once every 24 hour DRM verification was their slap-dash solution to keep the system discless, see if someone were to register the game to their account, go offline while they traded it, multiple people could play off the same license. Frankly, that could have been workshopped to do do away with rights verification check as that's awful burdensome solution to pirate a game, especially as many require online today as is for updates and multiplayer and such, nobody could stay offline forever. Anyhow, this wouldn't have work anyways as it also required retailers to have a system to trade the licenses between users. It was too complex system for retailers and consumers and should never have been considered. The first most obvious solution should have been to have disc for local rights verification.

I'm less upset with how things started out as they remedied it well before the launch, and the Xbox One works great as a discless system if you support it digitally. Problem is they don't have enough incentive to support a digital market. They have no flexible pricing on games, just some weak sauce random Deals w/ Gold sales with occasional offers too good to pass up. They need a constantly flexible and at least on par with the physical retail marketplace pricing, it should even stay slightly cheaper, reason for it is less production costs, less overhead, no retailer cut, no used game market it can be sold to, reasons speak for themselves. This isn't just an MS problem, this is a problem with much of the digital pricing on consoles, though it's hard to hold it against any one company. But they seem really out to lunch on digital end. Say look at their MS Store, retailer and online, get a $15 digital rebate by pre-ordering any major release for next few months, but no deal like that digitally. It was same way toward end of last year, same deal but only for physical retail, not for digital pre-orders. Hell, they use to have rebates for digital pre-orders, dependant on your XBL Rewards rebate tier which can offer up to $6 back per game (plus here I avoid $5 sales tax), so I was happy with that. Not anymore. I could have the game pre-installed and play it before the official midnight release by a few hours. No, MS's third party, HelloWorld, who handles the incentive program for XBL Rewards is totally inept, and dare I'd say purposefully sabotaging the Rewards incentive program. One would just have to look at the people on the XBL Reward forums to see how much they've ruined it over the last few months.

@Shewgenja:

The WiiU was never going to beat the xbox one even if MS did not cut the price of it. The WiiU still has better exclusives than the xbox one right now.

It doesn't matter. When the Xbox One was revealed that's what they had set in place.

What is Sony being dishonest about?

Gave my launch X1 to my mother and got a Halo edition X1 this past Xmas, I'd say most is forgiven. As for specifics, if you still feel the need to create that big list of issues, I think you should start looking at yourself, the issues lie deeper than a plastic box on the tv stand.

Another one of these threads ...........again for the whatever time ...... getting boring.

Hell, SW has changed so much in less than a year that I´d rather go and watch porn and that´s boring !

@charizard1605: fair enough

btw, i meant i probably won't go looking through the thread. Not saying that I wouldn't find anything.

I hated Microsoft before the Xbox One and I also hate Sony

Go right ahead and do that, man, no one's stopping you.

I did look at myself. I do not currently own an Xbox One, and most of those issues I listed form the bulk of the reason for that. However, these issues aren't just specific to me, apparently.

Microsoft were excellent before the Xbox One.