Have you lost faith in Square Enix?What developers have you lost faith in?

I was the biggest square enix fan around, i have nearly every game and i loved everyone of them,but the disaster which was FF 13and the absolutely terrible FF14 has made me lose faith in my favourite franchise. They ruined the series i'm heartbroken and i'm starting to hate Square Enix. What developers have made you lose faith?. I would say capcom with Devil may cry 5, i mean dante dark hair emo boy, and ninja theory wtf were they thinking?

On consoles / PC: yes, I lost faith, FF13/14 and LR are just horrible, SO and IU (guess thanks to TriAce xD) was at least average. The also published more crap games than good games :/

I'd say capcom too for those reasons and for lying about stuff :PJack-o-Thompson

Agreed. Crapcom is dead to me. And I can't see them ever returning to the glory days since they lost all of their most talented developers.

I lose faith in anything Microsoft touches:

- Bioware: no longer an RPG dev, now just a shooter dev (Dragon Age's mediocrity should be an indication of how they've lost their way)

- Lionhead: Fable was okay. Fable: Lost Chapters was better. Everything after that was absolutely horrible. If you say otherwise, then you've never played a real 3rd person RPG.

- Rare: enough said

- CAPCOM: they definitely picked up Microsoft's greed. Easily the greediest 3rd-party publisher other than Activision

- Oh, Activision: they've openly stated that 60% of Live subscriptions play CoD and they want in on that action. Fail.

- Square Enix: a notch below CAPCOM in the DLC and title-churning greed. Hopefully they can turn themselves around with Eidos Montreal (new Deus Ex and new Thief), but their RPG franchises are pretty much dead to me

- EPIC: they used to care about gameplay polish, balance, and having the best multiplayer. Now all they care about is having the best pre-release screenshots.

I lose faith in anything Microsoft touches:

- Bioware: no longer an RPG dev, now just a shooter dev (Dragon Age's mediocrity should be an indication of how they've lost their way)

- Lionhead: Fable was okay. Fable: Lost Chapters was better. Everything after that was absolutely horrible. If you say otherwise, then you've never played a real 3rd person RPG.

- Rare: enough said

- CAPCOM: they definitely picked up Microsoft's greed. Easily the greediest 3rd-party publisher other than Activision

- Oh, Activision: they've openly stated that 60% of Live subscriptions play CoD and they want in on that action. Fail.

- Square Enix: a notch below CAPCOM in the DLC and title-churning greed. Hopefully they can turn themselves around with Eidos Montreal (new Deus Ex and new Thief), but their RPG franchises are pretty much dead to me

- EPIC: they used to care about gameplay polish, balance, and having the best multiplayer. Now all they care about is having the best pre-release screenshots.

Mrmccormo

I'm inclined to agree with this as well. Seems like Microsoft's greed in infectious. I'm glad Bungie escaped their evil clutches :D

when they were squaresoft they were awesome, soon as they merged with enix is when they started developing crap lol. they are on my crap list for sure.

I lose faith in anything Microsoft touches:

- Bioware: no longer an RPG dev, now just a shooter dev (Dragon Age's mediocrity should be an indication of how they've lost their way)

- Lionhead: Fable was okay. Fable: Lost Chapters was better. Everything after that was absolutely horrible. If you say otherwise, then you've never played a real 3rd person RPG.

- Rare: enough said

- CAPCOM: they definitely picked up Microsoft's greed. Easily the greediest 3rd-party publisher other than Activision

- Oh, Activision: they've openly stated that 60% of Live subscriptions play CoD and they want in on that action. Fail.

- Square Enix: a notch below CAPCOM in the DLC and title-churning greed. Hopefully they can turn themselves around with Eidos Montreal (new Deus Ex and new Thief), but their RPG franchises are pretty much dead to me

- EPIC: they used to care about gameplay polish, balance, and having the best multiplayer. Now all they care about is having the best pre-release screenshots.

Mrmccormo

very very nice post, totally agree with everything u just said

I have lost faith in:

Rare: many said they became bad when they were taken over by microsoft, but Kameo and Viva Pinata were still great games. Far better than the games they make now.

Infinity ward: doesn't need an explenation I think

Valve: makes sequel(l4d2) after sequel(portal2) after sequel(dota2) but no Half-Life :(

I lose faith in anything Microsoft touches:

- Bioware: no longer an RPG dev, now just a shooter dev (Dragon Age's mediocrity should be an indication of how they've lost their way)

Mrmccormo

BioWare started focusing more on shooter gameplay after they were acquired by EA..

- CAPCOM: they definitely picked up Microsoft's greed. Easily the greediest 3rd-party publisher other than Activision

Mrmccormo

Again, the answer is EA.

I have lost faith in Bethesda after Oblivion.

I'm losing faith on Bioware, for me it seems that EA is meddling a lot inside their own business. Miroku32

[QUOTE="Miroku32"]I'm losing faith on Bioware, for me it seems that EA is meddling a lot inside their own business. dog_dirt

Square enix, Lionhead, TriAce, Capcom, Bungie....

BioWare started focusing more on shooter gameplay after they were acquired by EA..

waltefmoney

Weren't they already heading down that path before EA stepped in, with action-heavy titles like Jade Empire?

I lose faith in anything Microsoft touches:

- Bioware: no longer an RPG dev, now just a shooter dev (Dragon Age's mediocrity should be an indication of how they've lost their way)

- Lionhead: Fable was okay. Fable: Lost Chapters was better. Everything after that was absolutely horrible. If you say otherwise, then you've never played a real 3rd person RPG.

- Rare: enough said

- CAPCOM: they definitely picked up Microsoft's greed. Easily the greediest 3rd-party publisher other than Activision

- Oh, Activision: they've openly stated that 60% of Live subscriptions play CoD and they want in on that action. Fail.

- Square Enix: a notch below CAPCOM in the DLC and title-churning greed. Hopefully they can turn themselves around with Eidos Montreal (new Deus Ex and new Thief), but their RPG franchises are pretty much dead to me

- EPIC: they used to care about gameplay polish, balance, and having the best multiplayer. Now all they care about is having the best pre-release screenshots.

Mrmccormo

Very well put !
I'll never forgive M$ for what they did to Rare.

Unfortunutely it seems to me like all the devs that I grew up loving I'm losing faith in. Square, Capcom, and as much as I'd hate to say it, Konami are all lacking any REALLY good releases lately. Hopefully Konami's Metal Gear Solid Rising can prove me wrong and Marvel vs Capcom 3 is gonna get Capcom some respect from me, but other than that it's kinda going down hill. The only classic developer I still think has great potential is Valve. Thankefully alot of new devs are coming out and taking the place of older ones. I guess the times are changing :/

I don't lose faith..I just keep my money.

I'd say capcom too for those reasons and for lying about stuff :PJack-o-Thompson

I have lost faith in:

Rare: many said they became bad when they were taken over by microsoft, but Kameo and Viva Pinata were still great games. Far better than the games they make now.

Infinity ward: doesn't need an explenation I think

Valve: makes sequel(l4d2) after sequel(portal2) after sequel(dota2) but no Half-Life :(

R4gn4r0k

[QUOTE="Mrmccormo"]

I lose faith in anything Microsoft touches:

- Bioware: no longer an RPG dev, now just a shooter dev (Dragon Age's mediocrity should be an indication of how they've lost their way)

- Lionhead: Fable was okay. Fable: Lost Chapters was better. Everything after that was absolutely horrible. If you say otherwise, then you've never played a real 3rd person RPG.

- Rare: enough said

- CAPCOM: they definitely picked up Microsoft's greed. Easily the greediest 3rd-party publisher other than Activision

- Oh, Activision: they've openly stated that 60% of Live subscriptions play CoD and they want in on that action. Fail.

- Square Enix: a notch below CAPCOM in the DLC and title-churning greed. Hopefully they can turn themselves around with Eidos Montreal (new Deus Ex and new Thief), but their RPG franchises are pretty much dead to me

- EPIC: they used to care about gameplay polish, balance, and having the best multiplayer. Now all they care about is having the best pre-release screenshots.

Sagem28

Very well put !
I'll never forgive M$ for what they did to Rare.

[QUOTE="waltefmoney"]

BioWare started focusing more on shooter gameplay after they were acquired by EA..

Planeforger

Weren't they already heading down that path before EA stepped in, with action-heavy titles like Jade Empire?

The very first game they released was an action-heavy mech sim.

I lose faith in anything Microsoft touches:

- Bioware: no longer an RPG dev, now just a shooter dev (Dragon Age's mediocrity should be an indication of how they've lost their way)

- Lionhead: Fable was okay. Fable: Lost Chapters was better. Everything after that was absolutely horrible. If you say otherwise, then you've never played a real 3rd person RPG.

- Rare: enough said

- CAPCOM: they definitely picked up Microsoft's greed. Easily the greediest 3rd-party publisher other than Activision

- Oh, Activision: they've openly stated that 60% of Live subscriptions play CoD and they want in on that action. Fail.

- Square Enix: a notch below CAPCOM in the DLC and title-churning greed. Hopefully they can turn themselves around with Eidos Montreal (new Deus Ex and new Thief), but their RPG franchises are pretty much dead to me

- EPIC: they used to care about gameplay polish, balance, and having the best multiplayer. Now all they care about is having the best pre-release screenshots.

[QUOTE="Planeforger"]

[QUOTE="waltefmoney"]

BioWare started focusing more on shooter gameplay after they were acquired by EA..

Weren't they already heading down that path before EA stepped in, with action-heavy titles like Jade Empire?

The very first game they developed was an action-heavy mech sim.

why am I not surprised thats your stance. Lets see...Microsoft never owned Bioware, they never owned capcom, Activision, Square enix, Or epic...yet you seem to atribute every bad thing in the industry to microsoft.WilliamRLBaker

*sighs* except they did nothing to rare. When will people figure this out...The whole reason Nintendo was willing to get rid of Rare is because Rare was dead..most of their talent had left during the gamecube years rare was a shell of its former glory LONG before Microsoft got a hold of them.WilliamRLBaker

I didn't lose faith in Square Enix.siLVURcross

Oh you would say that :P

I don't think Square has given enough reason for people to lose faith in them YET. After all, all their games this gen with the exception of FFXIV have been generally well recieved. Atleast I think they have.

capcom... key players have left (and probably all the quality talent) and the only game which has been awesome is sf4/ssf4campzor

Same story with Square, all they have left is Nomura and he's not that great at anything anyway. All Square's talented devs are with Mistwalker producing crappy Jrpg's, ironic isn't?

I have lost faith that Naughty Dog will ever release a new Jak and Daxter :(

Crapcom & Rare

They've put out dumbed down garbage this entire generation.

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]why am I not surprised thats your stance. Lets see...Microsoft never owned Bioware, they never owned capcom, Activision, Square enix, Or epic...yet you seem to atribute every bad thing in the industry to microsoft.Mrmccormo

*sighs* except they did nothing to rare. When will people figure this out...The whole reason Nintendo was willing to get rid of Rare is because Rare was dead..most of their talent had left during the gamecube years rare was a shell of its former glory LONG before Microsoft got a hold of them.WilliamRLBaker

I was the biggest square enix fan around, i have nearly every game and i loved everyone of them,but the disaster which was FF 13and the absolutely terrible FF14 has made me lose faith in my favourite franchise. They ruined the series i'm heartbroken and i'm starting to hate Square Enix. What developers have made you lose faith?. I would say capcom with Devil may cry 5, i mean dante dark hair emo boy, and ninja theory wtf were they thinking?

caribo2222

My faith in Bio-ware is hanging by a thread, it all depends on how DA2 turns out.

Yes, I have lost faith in Square Enix.

Crapcom & Rare

They've put out dumbed down garbage this entire generation.

Sp4rtan_3

Easily Square Enix. They've been dead since '01 to me.

Bunch of sell outs.

I can't blame game companies for being a business first - but that being said, few if any games actually feel like an interesting story with good characters comes first to "mind blowing special effects". As Plinkett would say "They're using a story to tell special effects, not the other way around like it should be"

SE has been taking a queue from George Lucas as evidenced in FFXIII - effects and visuals before story and likable characters. I'd have been happy with 1/10 the effects and rendered cutscenes, but a better battle system, characters (including voice actors), and a decent plot hook before the 10 hour mark. Nothing in that game connected with me at all.

Compare that to Chrono Trigger - the peak of Square imo.

I haven't lost faith in Square Enix. Rather enjoyed Final Fantasy XIII, Star Ocean: The Last Hope International and The Last Remnant. Looking forward to trying out Dragon Quest IX and The World Ends With You. If I had a PSP, I'd probably pick up a few more of their games.

Haven't really lost faith in any game company actually.

I hate Square Enix so much. I will never buy a Final Fantasy game from them. Although I am looking forward to Deus Ex and Just Cause 2 was fantastic. But they only published soooo...

And Ninja Theory
God I hate Ninja Theory.

I know they're not a developer, but Activision.

I used to love the Tony Hawk games they put out, and I really enjoyed CoD 1 & 2, but so far this gen nothing great from them imo. I should probably play the new Spiderman game that released last year before making final judgement though. I actually really enjoyed the old ones on the PS1 (haven't actually played any since then! :shock: )

naughty dog

making linear games with lame gameplay.

even cows has to admitt uncharted2's gameplay is worse than gears of war and not as satisfying as it takes a thousand shots to kill 1 guy.

Capcom. Maybe their 3DS titles will make me like them again.

[QUOTE="R4gn4r0k"]

I have lost faith in:

Rare: many said they became bad when they were taken over by microsoft, but Kameo and Viva Pinata were still great games. Far better than the games they make now.

Infinity ward: doesn't need an explenation I think

Valve: makes sequel(l4d2) after sequel(portal2) after sequel(dota2) but no Half-Life :(

Bread_or_Decide

People seem to forget Kameo and Viva Pinata when they talk about Rare and their relation to MS