Have you noticed that buggy games are always American and European?

Japanese games are hardly ever bug ridden. They may not be the most well received games critically speaking, but look at Japanese games for a second. Nintendo 1st party games are like the least buggy games in existence. Games like Vanquish, Final Fantasy XIII, Resident Evil 5, Metal Gear Solid 4, and many others are just so polished. They don't rely on post release patches for completion. They don't rely on the $60 day 1 buyers to be their beta testers. Bethesda's incompetence doesn't exist in Japanese development. They truly care about their products and really do put forth their best effort to release a bug free, fully functional game.

Metalmania posted a thread in another forum which was talking about how From Software, the developers of Demon's Souls and Dark Souls, are hesitant to release a sequel to Dark Souls because they feel as if their game had too many bugs in it. They genuinely feel bad for releasing a game with bugs, and they don't feel like the fans of the Souls series will forgive them for releasing a game that contains bugs. This is asinine to me, because I completed both Demon's Souls and Dark Souls, and I didn't run into any bugs. In a game like Skyrim, I can't make my way down a mountain without running into a plethora of bugs. Not only that, Bethesda just ignores all the media coverage that puts their buggy problems under the spotlight, and they just try to sweep it under the rug and cover their ears. It's nice to see From Software living up to their mistakes, even if they are minimal and practically non-existent from my point of view.

Now that I think about it, most of the games I found to be buggy are Western.

Have you ever noticed that crappy games are always japanese?

[QUOTE="soulitane"]Wasn't FFXIV completely broken at launch?DrTrafalgarLaw

Eastern standards?

[QUOTE="soulitane"]Wasn't FFXIV completely broken at launch?DrTrafalgarLaw

[QUOTE="soulitane"]Wasn't FFXIV completely broken at launch?DrTrafalgarLaw

Uh... what? It was internally developed.

Have you ever noticed that crappy games are always japanese?

Chemical_Viking

Nope. Most recent example: Amy.

[QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"][QUOTE="soulitane"]Wasn't FFXIV completely broken at launch?soulitane

JRPGs have little room for error

They are not open worlds where anything can happen like say Skyrim

Japanese games are hardly ever bug ridden. They may not be the most well received games critically speaking, but look at Japanese games for a second. Nintendo 1st party games are like the least buggy games in existence. Games like Vanquish, Final Fantasy XIII, Resident Evil 5, Metal Gear Solid 4, and many others are just so polished. They don't rely on post release patches for completion. They don't rely on the $60 day 1 buyers to be their beta testers. Bethesda's incompetence doesn't exist in Japanese development. They truly care about their products and really do put forth their best effort to release a bug free, fully functional game.

Metalmania posted a thread in another forum which was talking about how From Software, the developers of Demon's Souls and Dark Souls, are hesitant to release a sequel to Dark Souls because they feel as if their game had too many bugs in it. They genuinely feel bad for releasing a game with bugs, and they don't feel like the fans of the Souls series will forgive them for releasing a game that contains bugs. This is asinine to me, because I completed both Demon's Souls and Dark Souls, and I didn't run into any bugs. In a game like Skyrim, I can't make my way down a mountain without running into a plethora of bugs. Not only that, Bethesda just ignores all the media coverage that puts their buggy problems under the spotlight, and they just try to sweep it under the rug and cover their ears. It's nice to see From Software living up to their mistakes, even if they are minimal and practically non-existent from my point of view.

arkephonic

Really? Most bosses can actually be glitched into "you defeated." (Killing the Red Dragon with one arrow from behind. Ceaseless Discharge falling to his death. Farming suicidal forest guardians. Un-killable knights. Taking out Strayed Demon with dung pies and a feather spell.) It a great game, but buggy it was.

[QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"][QUOTE="soulitane"] That one was outsourced to chinese developers...and you can guess what the standards of any chinese product are...minh800

Uh... what? It was internally developed.

Have you ever noticed that crappy games are always japanese?

Chemical_Viking

Nope. Most recent example: Amy.

[QUOTE="soulitane"]Wasn't FFXIV completely broken at launch?DrTrafalgarLaw

FF14 says otherwise :lol:

[QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"][QUOTE="soulitane"]Wasn't FFXIV completely broken at launch?IAmNot_fun

[QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"][QUOTE="IAmNot_fun"] Haha I can't believe someone actually fell for that rumourIAmNot_fun

tbo, i would take buggy and open world over being funneled down a 20 foot wide corridor for an entire game everytime.

[QUOTE="IAmNot_fun"][QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"] That would have explained their incompetence and inability to create a MMO. But if it's ingame-development failure...*long sigh* unbelievable.DrTrafalgarLaw

this is very true. They seem to make games that have more tech issues then what comes from japan.

FF14 says otherwise :lol:

eboyishere

its not like it never happens from a japanese game,but its wayyyy more common for western games.

Could it be attributed to the fact that we usually get the games later than Japan so they have the time to fix the games if need be? Dark Souls's online functionality was pretty buggy when it was released in Japan but it got patched for localization.

[QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"]

[QUOTE="IAmNot_fun"] Looking at their recent track record, I'm not sure what is so unbelievable about FF14 being bad.IAmNot_fun

Could it be attributed to the fact that we usually get the games later than Japan so they have the time to fix the games if need be? Dark Souls's online functionality was pretty buggy when it was released in Japan but it got patched for localization.

minh800

it should be pretty obvious to you guys what is going on here and why one would be worse than the other when it comes to bugs.

[QUOTE="IAmNot_fun"][QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"] Well there is a difference in getting a 7.5, which at least works as it's supposed to, and getting a 4 for a MMO that's broken from start to finish.DrTrafalgarLaw

[QUOTE="minh800"]

Could it be attributed to the fact that we usually get the games later than Japan so they have the time to fix the games if need be? Dark Souls's online functionality was pretty buggy when it was released in Japan but it got patched for localization.

Riverwolf007

it should be pretty obvious to you guys what is going on here and why one would be worse than the other when it comes to bugs.

[QUOTE="minh800"]

Could it be attributed to the fact that we usually get the games later than Japan so they have the time to fix the games if need be? Dark Souls's online functionality was pretty buggy when it was released in Japan but it got patched for localization.

Riverwolf007

it should be pretty obvious to you guys what is going on here and why one would be worse than the other when it comes to bugs.

Lets look at ME series. ME usually has a hub spot to talk to people and shop most jrpgs have the same thing. When you decided to do a mission you go to whats basicly a dungion and lets not act like theres multiple paths ether. Yet ME1&2 have tec problems but yet most jrpgs at least that iv played dont run into tec problems really at all. I truly enjoy the ME games and will be getting ME3 day one but im not blind.

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

[QUOTE="minh800"]

Could it be attributed to the fact that we usually get the games later than Japan so they have the time to fix the games if need be? Dark Souls's online functionality was pretty buggy when it was released in Japan but it got patched for localization.

lordlors

it should be pretty obvious to you guys what is going on here and why one would be worse than the other when it comes to bugs.

next i'll be all dogs walk on all fours and you can pipe up with, nuh-uh i was at the circus and there was this one dog that walked on two!!!!

that one dog that is the exception to the rule is not the one i'm talking about.

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

[QUOTE="minh800"]

Could it be attributed to the fact that we usually get the games later than Japan so they have the time to fix the games if need be? Dark Souls's online functionality was pretty buggy when it was released in Japan but it got patched for localization.

finalfantasy94

it should be pretty obvious to you guys what is going on here and why one would be worse than the other when it comes to bugs.

Lets look at ME series. ME usually has a hub spot to talk to people and shop most jrpgs have the same thing. When you decided to do a mission you go to whats basicly a dungion and lets not act like theres multiple paths ether. Yet ME1&2 have tec problems but yet most jrpgs at least that iv played dont run into tec problems really at all. I truly enjoy the ME games and will be getting ME3 day one but im not blind.

you guys can use as many one game examples as you want i am talking about the majorty trend.

tbo, i would take buggy and open world over being funneled down a 20 foot wide corridor for an entire game everytime.

Riverwolf007

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

tbo, i would take buggy and open world over being funneled down a 20 foot wide corridor for an entire game everytime.

Some-Mist

[QUOTE="finalfantasy94"]

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]actually it is attributed to how j-dev games lead you down a linear path with next to no choices in order to tell a story.

it should be pretty obvious to you guys what is going on here and why one would be worse than the other when it comes to bugs.

Riverwolf007

Lets look at ME series. ME usually has a hub spot to talk to people and shop most jrpgs have the same thing. When you decided to do a mission you go to whats basicly a dungion and lets not act like theres multiple paths ether. Yet ME1&2 have tec problems but yet most jrpgs at least that iv played dont run into tec problems really at all. I truly enjoy the ME games and will be getting ME3 day one but im not blind.

you guys can use as many one game examples as you want i am talking about the majorty trend.

didint know enslaved and castlevania were open world. Again 2 games I really enjoy but has tec problems like frame rate.

[QUOTE="Some-Mist"][QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

tbo, i would take buggy and open world over being funneled down a 20 foot wide corridor for an entire game everytime.

Riverwolf007

[QUOTE="eboyishere"]

FF14 says otherwise :lol:

finalfantasy94

its not like it never happens from a japanese game,but its wayyyy more common for western games.

true skyrim isn't exactly a perfect angel

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

actually it is attributed to how j-dev games lead you down a linear path with next to no choices in order to tell a story.

it should be pretty obvious to you guys what is going on here and why one would be worse than the other when it comes to bugs.

Slashkice

Because every western game is open world.

and every issue in the world is black and white with zero shades of grey.

geeze dudes whatever it is you want to argue about i give up since apparently i am going to be one game exampled to death here and bytched at about generalizations while everyone else also either uses generalizations or goes off in the opposite direction and acts like finding one single example that refutes a small part of an argument make the entire argument invalid.

:P

I've also noticed that the much more ambitious, and technically impressive games come from America and Europe as well.

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

tbo, i would take buggy and open world over being funneled down a 20 foot wide corridor for an entire game everytime.

Some-Mist

No I would prefer RDR.

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

yep that is exactly what i am saying... every single w-dev game is open world with no exceptions and every j-dev game is in a corridor in which you molest schoolgirls with no exceptions.

and every issue in the world is black and white with zero shades of grey.

geeze dudes whatever it is you want to argue about i give up since apparently i am going to be one game exampled to death here and bytched at about generalizations while everyone else also either uses generalizations or goes off in the opposite direction and acts like finding one single example that refutes a small part of an argument make the entire argument invalid.

:P

Slashkice

You had a point? You're trying to make it sound as if a majority of western games are these wide expanses of open worlds with user control and all the bells and whistles that come with it when that isn't the case at all.

no it's not belts a whistles, it's belts and zippers and all the japanese games have them

American/Western games are larger in scope and ambition.

*looks at Square Enix games today*

*laughs, walks away*

Sorry cant agree with you on this one. Games like final fantasy 13, ps3 bayonetta, dark souls etc are all very buggy. American devs are also more on the cutting edge when it come to pushing hardware, think of graphically demanding game engines like ID tech 5, unreal engine 3, cry engine, frostbite 2, uncharted, killzone etc. the only Japanese devs I can really think of that push hardware are konami and capcom with the MT Framework.GotNugz

im guessing you got some messed up version cause my ran smoothly with no problem through the whole thing. Cant say much about dark souls but demons souls didint have no bug problems.