Have you noticed that buggy games are always American and European?

[QUOTE="XschlistaX"]Bayonetta on PS3 was garbage. Was that an asian dev or Western?CajunShooter

Bayonetta is made by Platinum Games a Japanese developer.

So much for the TC with no Eastern games are buggy.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]Japanese companies are usually concerned more with quality than western ones.sts106mat

yea kinda BS on that comment, japanese devs are more concerned with restricted linear content... which is far easier to beta test.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]Japanese companies are usually concerned more with quality than western ones.sts106mat

Dark Souls is pretty buggy especially areas like Blighttown where the fps drops to single-digits.

I generally agree though, most Eastern games are relatively bug-free especially Nintendo games.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]Japanese companies are usually concerned more with quality than western ones.sts106mat

then you've got Konami cant think of them abusing DLC systems at all.

Capcom's always been the company that milked for all it was worth.

Its alot easier to make a linear game, where all the events are scripted in order. Western games tend to be alot more complex.blue_hazy_basic

Wasn't FFXIV completely broken at launch?soulitane

Ahah

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"]Its alot easier to make a linear game, where all the events are scripted in order. Western games tend to be alot more complex.SecretPolice

Don't give me that. There's a lot of linear Western games.

Especially games that are released in America.

[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

[QUOTE="sts106mat"] and ripping people off with DLC thats already on the disc....cough RESI 5 co-op...cough...or super overpriced skins .......street fighter....cough cough....ace combat....sts106mat

then you've got Konami cant think of them abusing DLC systems at all.

Capcom's always been the company that milked for all it was worth.

Well the MGO packs were pretty meaty for the money, i never got them cause i despised how they handled that game though.Fun game terrible online system hobbled by Konami ID.

[QUOTE="SecretPolice"]

Its alot easier to make a linear game, where all the events are scripted in order. Western games tend to be alot more complex.blue_hazy_basic

Don't give me that. There's a lot of linear Western games.

Especially games that are released in America.

It's same with cars. Japanese cars are always reliable while Western cars just keeps breaking down.willzthegamer

Japanese games are hardly ever bug ridden.arkephonic

[QUOTE="willzthegamer"]It's same with cars. Japanese cars are always reliable while Western cars just keeps breaking down.XschlistaX

[QUOTE="arkephonic"]Japanese games are hardly ever bug ridden.foxhound_fox

[QUOTE="XschlistaX"][QUOTE="willzthegamer"]It's same with cars. Japanese cars are always reliable while Western cars just keeps breaking down.XschlistaX

Shush you, can't ya see he's trying to make a irrational, America suck kinda point on a NA gaming site. Sheeeeeesh !!

:P

Japanese games are hardly ever bug ridden. They may not be the most well received games critically speaking, but look at Japanese games for a second. Nintendo 1st party games are like the least buggy games in existence. Games like Vanquish, Final Fantasy XIII, Resident Evil 5, Metal Gear Solid 4, and many others are just so polished. They don't rely on post release patches for completion. They don't rely on the $60 day 1 buyers to be their beta testers. Bethesda's incompetence doesn't exist in Japanese development. They truly care about their products and really do put forth their best effort to release a bug free, fully functional game.

Metalmania posted a thread in another forum which was talking about how From Software, the developers of Demon's Souls and Dark Souls, are hesitant to release a sequel to Dark Souls because they feel as if their game had too many bugs in it. They genuinely feel bad for releasing a game with bugs, and they don't feel like the fans of the Souls series will forgive them for releasing a game that contains bugs. This is asinine to me, because I completed both Demon's Souls and Dark Souls, and I didn't run into any bugs. In a game like Skyrim, I can't make my way down a mountain without running into a plethora of bugs. Not only that, Bethesda just ignores all the media coverage that puts their buggy problems under the spotlight, and they just try to sweep it under the rug and cover their ears. It's nice to see From Software living up to their mistakes, even if they are minimal and practically non-existent from my point of view.

arkephonic

Well considering many Japanese games are basically glorified movies with QTE Events this isn't that surprising... Plus I heard the Japanese decided to put all their bugs in Final Fantasy 14.

[QUOTE="XschlistaX"][QUOTE="willzthegamer"]It's same with cars. Japanese cars are always reliable while Western cars just keeps breaking down.XschlistaX

It was all part of their ad campaign "Moving Forward"

[QUOTE="peterw007"]

[QUOTE="SecretPolice"]Indeed as it's much easier to build a flawless bottle rocket than it is to build a space shuttle. :cool:

blue_hazy_basic

Don't give me that. There's a lot of linear Western games.

Especially games that are released in America.

None especially. But the notion that "Western games are alot more complex" just isn't logically true.

Yes it's technically correct, but you can't make that comparison because you're comparing two different things.

Remember that game budgets in Japan are generally much smaller than game budgets in America.

Obviously western games are going to be more "complex"...they have the money to do so!

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Even huge companies like Nintendo devote a much smaller budget to their games than companies like EA or Rockstar.

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Just suppose American games and Japanese games had very similar budgets.

My guess is that the games would be just as "complex" as each other (see Shenmue as an example of a high-budget Japanese game).

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="peterw007"]

Don't give me that. There's a lot of linear Western games.

Especially games that are released in America.

None especially. But the notion that "Western games are alot more complex" just isn't logically true.

Yes it's technically correct, but you can't make that comparison because you're comparing two different things.

Remember that game budgets in Japan are generally much smaller than game budgets in America.

Obviously western games are going to be more "complex"...they have the money to do so!

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Even huge companies like Nintendo devote a much smaller budget to their games than companies like EA or Rockstar.

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Just suppose American games and Japanese games had very similar budgets.

My guess is that the games would be just as "complex" as each other (see Shenmue as an example of a high-budget Japanese game).

[QUOTE="peterw007"]

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"] And which of these games are really buggy?blue_hazy_basic

None especially. But the notion that "Western games are alot more complex" just isn't logically true.

Yes it's technically correct, but you can't make that comparison because you're comparing two different things.

Remember that game budgets in Japan are generally much smaller than game budgets in America.

Obviously western games are going to be more "complex"...they have the money to do so!

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Even huge companies like Nintendo devote a much smaller budget to their games than companies like EA or Rockstar.

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Just suppose American games and Japanese games had very similar budgets.

My guess is that the games would be just as "complex" as each other (see Shenmue as an example of a high-budget Japanese game).

My response was to an earlier point when you said "Western games tend to be alot more complex."

I probably should have quoted it.

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But as for the bugs argument, sure. I don't disagree with you there.

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="peterw007"]

None especially. But the notion that "Western games are alot more complex" just isn't logically true.

Yes it's technically correct, but you can't make that comparison because you're comparing two different things.

Remember that game budgets in Japan are generally much smaller than game budgets in America.

Obviously western games are going to be more "complex"...they have the money to do so!

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Even huge companies like Nintendo devote a much smaller budget to their games than companies like EA or Rockstar.

-

Just suppose American games and Japanese games had very similar budgets.

My guess is that the games would be just as "complex" as each other (see Shenmue as an example of a high-budget Japanese game).

My response was to an earlier point when you said "Western games tend to be alot more complex."

I probably should have quoted it.

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But as for the bugs argument, sure. I don't disagree with you there.

Have you noticed that Western games are typically more innovative than Japanese games? I'll gladly deal with a few bugs for innovation's sake.

[QUOTE="XschlistaX"][QUOTE="XschlistaX"] Uh welcome to the past. American's passed them up in 2010: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/17/american-car-quality-tops_n_616592.htmlSW__Troll

It was all part of their ad campaign "Moving Forward"

Japanese games are generally more polished, true. I'd put Eastern European games on the last place in terms of polish (which is sad considering they made some very good and original games).

Japanese games are hardly ever bug ridden. They may not be the most well received games critically speaking, but look at Japanese games for a second. Nintendo 1st party games are like the least buggy games in existence. Games like Vanquish, Final Fantasy XIII, Resident Evil 5, Metal Gear Solid 4, and many others are just so polished. They don't rely on post release patches for completion. They don't rely on the $60 day 1 buyers to be their beta testers. Bethesda's incompetence doesn't exist in Japanese development. They truly care about their products and really do put forth their best effort to release a bug free, fully functional game.

Metalmania posted a thread in another forum which was talking about how From Software, the developers of Demon's Souls and Dark Souls, are hesitant to release a sequel to Dark Souls because they feel as if their game had too many bugs in it. They genuinely feel bad for releasing a game with bugs, and they don't feel like the fans of the Souls series will forgive them for releasing a game that contains bugs. This is asinine to me, because I completed both Demon's Souls and Dark Souls, and I didn't run into any bugs. In a game like Skyrim, I can't make my way down a mountain without running into a plethora of bugs. Not only that, Bethesda just ignores all the media coverage that puts their buggy problems under the spotlight, and they just try to sweep it under the rug and cover their ears. It's nice to see From Software living up to their mistakes, even if they are minimal and practically non-existent from my point of view.

arkephonic

Japanese companies are usually concerned more with quality than western ones.kuraimen

Western games might have more bugs, but they usually score higher too.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]Japanese companies are usually concerned more with quality than western ones.Jankarcop

Western games might have more bugs, but they usually score higher too.

Western devs are lazier than Japanese. Glad that I still haven't bought Skyrim yet although I was pumped about it before launch.Zensword

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]Japanese companies are usually concerned more with quality than western ones.Jankarcop

Western games might have more bugs, but they usually score higher too.

Japnaese Game, Japanese company

Gamspopt 10.

Japanese game, Japanese company

Gamespot 10.

Japanese game, Japanese company

Gamespot 10.

Japanese game, Japanese compnay

Gamespot 10.

How many western games have sored as well as these Japanese games, GTA4, Tony Hawkand...? I can't think of anymore can you.

Don't knw where you got the idea western games score better than Japanese games, they don't. Western games are just releasing more than Japanese are now than in the past...yet even tho the Japanese are releasing fewer games to the western market 2 of the 3 perfect 10 scoring games of the generation are Japanese.

BTW: Dark Souls 9.5 > Skyrim 9.0 in GS

more fuel...Pulled this for my PC vs consoles in quality thread

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

Because the hardware gets better yo.

casharmy

Hardware dose get better...and then sometimes hardware ends up like the wii and yet...

2007 Bioshock (PC), Orange Box (PC, 360), Crysis (PC), world in conflict (PC), Callof duty 4 (PS3, 360, PC), Halo 3 (360), Forza Motorsport 3 (360)...DENIED

2007 GOTY

watch the video @ 4:03

"it's just a really quality production in every single facet of it, and that's something that very few games can ever really claim."

http://www.gamespot.com/video/extras/bestof2007.html?sid=6184124

The fact that other games were higher on a technical level didn't stop gamespot from feeling that SMG was the higher quality game...even over Crysis on PC.

Notice The comment in bold and quotation?

Notice the comment about *quality* in GS commentary in reference to SMG (a japanese game) as opposed to other games. Now look at all the games that were up for selection for game of the year in 2007 for GOTY. All the other games have something in common...can you guess what it is?

The game I'm playing now that is really buggy is Enslaved: Odyssey to the West.

That was probably done by western or European. And I agree, games like RDR, and Fallout/Bethesda games are buggy.

I also thing Dragon Age is buggy sometimes

Seriously, I think some people here just blindly criticise Japanese games because they either have this 'western' superiority complex or they just hate on anything remotely Japanese.

Seriously, I think some people here just blindly criticise Japanese games because they either have this 'western' superiority complex or they just hate on anything remotely Japanese.

NaturalDisplay

People really need to go read a programming book or something, To program something the likes of Skyrim and have it be completely bug free requires what i could only be described as a more than godlike devteam. The fact that skyrim runs at all is pretty dam impressive from a programming stand point. You really cant even began to compare it Vanquish and resident evil where the programming is much less complex.

[QUOTE="NaturalDisplay"]

Seriously, I think some people here just blindly criticise Japanese games because they either have this 'western' superiority complex or they just hate on anything remotely Japanese.

XschlistaX

No need to insult. I am not talking about the TC in case you have misread my comment. I'm talking about about some of the comments written on this thread and a few others. I'm sure you do not see it judging from your post but to me it seems that there are a lot of hate towards anything Japanese here.

[QUOTE="willzthegamer"]It's same with cars. Japanese cars are always reliable while Western cars just keeps breaking down.NaturalDisplay

Yep! Same with consoles as well!

Sorry didn't mean to insult you...was seriously thinking you had dislexia. Sorry if you took it the wrong way.