Haze developer: PSN more flexible than Xbox Live

Haze developer Derek Littlewood says the less restrictive PlayStation Network has both its advantages and disadvantages when compared to Microsoft's Xbox Live. However, he believes the added freedom of the PSN enhances his online experience.

PSN as good or better than Live?
"The disadvantage of Sony's [PSN] is that there isn't as much defined by Sony as to how you have to do things - they leave it very much up to you," the Haze project leader told Spong.

"But at the same time, because it's not as strongly defined, you have the freedom to do it in the way that you want [on PSN] - in a way that may be more suitable to your game."

Littlewood added that some Xbox 360 games might have been better were it not for Microsoft's restricting standards on Live. Said standards are believed to make developing games on Live easier than on PSN, however.

Still, Littlewood likes what he's seen so far on the PlayStation network saying Haze's online experience "hasn't suffered at all" by being on a service that is widely regarded as inferior to Microsoft's Xbox Live.

Haze, a first-person shooter, is slated for a November 23 release on PS3 followed by PC and Xbox 360 versions some time in 2008.

Source: Gamepro

what contradictory ramblings

what the heck is he talking about when he says 360 games have suffered

many developers have said the exact opposite

what contradictory ramblings

what the heck is he talking about when he says 360 games have suffered

many developers have said the exact opposite

Thebettertwin

"to each his own" applies for developers as well... if he prefers psn for making his games thats fine really.

what contradictory ramblings

what the heck is he talking about when he says 360 games have suffered

many developers have said the exact opposite

Thebettertwin

what contradictory ramblings

what the heck is he talking about when he says 360 games have suffered

many developers have said the exact opposite

Thebettertwin

He didn't say it suffered. He said they could've been better.

[QUOTE="Thebettertwin"]

what contradictory ramblings

what the heck is he talking about when he says 360 games have suffered

many developers have said the exact opposite

Dualshockin

link or you're a lier

[QUOTE="Thebettertwin"]

what contradictory ramblings

what the heck is he talking about when he says 360 games have suffered

many developers have said the exact opposite

Dualshockin

Because Microsoft published the game...

[QUOTE="Thebettertwin"]

what contradictory ramblings

what the heck is he talking about when he says 360 games have suffered

many developers have said the exact opposite

Dualshockin

Microsoft publishes that game. It's their IP. If they want to charge for it, they do. And at least they got the compromise whereby the maps become free later on.

Developers can do as the please - please dont try to make it appears as if microsoft forces developers to charge for content. If microsoft isn't publishing the game, as in gears, they have no say in that whatsoever.

[QUOTE="gamergeekgeek"]

link or you're a lier

Slashkice

Here you go.

[QUOTE="gamergeekgeek"]

link or you're a lier

Slashkice

Here you go.

[QUOTE="Slashkice"][QUOTE="gamergeekgeek"]

link or you're a lier

THE_Rob_Himself

Here you go.

and that point is done. Yes, XBL is probably a bit stricter...but that's done in order to keep the user experience consistent. It can be seen as a good or bad thing, just like the amount of government can be seen as good or bad.

It all depends. To each his own.

[QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="Thebettertwin"]

what contradictory ramblings

what the heck is he talking about when he says 360 games have suffered

many developers have said the exact opposite

gamergeekgeek

link or you're a lier

[QUOTE="gamergeekgeek"][QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="Thebettertwin"]

what contradictory ramblings

what the heck is he talking about when he says 360 games have suffered

many developers have said the exact opposite

Dualshockin

link or you're a lier

How many times do you want it smashed into your head? Gears of War was published by Microsoft. I even stated this last night in a thread to someone who tried to argue this.

I love how sony backed devs conveniently leave out the part where their online games are limited life...

eventually they will pull the plug and you won't be able to play Haze using PSN.

with xbox live as long as two people have the same game you'll always have someone to play with online...

"flexible"..? yeah, right..:roll:

[QUOTE="Slashkice"][QUOTE="gamergeekgeek"]

link or you're a lier

THE_Rob_Himself

Here you go.

How many times do you want it smashed into your head? Gears of War was published by Microsoft. I even stated this last night in a thread to someone who tried to argue this.LTomlinson21

[QUOTE="LTomlinson21"]How many times do you want it smashed into your head? Gears of War was published by Microsoft. I even stated this last night in a thread to someone who tried to argue this.Dualshockin

you really need to learn the roles of publisher vs. developer before making a silly accusation again..

it's THEIR property not epic's, to do with as they see fit....

[QUOTE="LTomlinson21"]How many times do you want it smashed into your head? Gears of War was published by Microsoft. I even stated this last night in a thread to someone who tried to argue this.Dualshockin

Yes, but according to your first post and the state of this topic, you are making it sound like Microsoft forces everyone to charge for their maps.;)

[QUOTE="gamergeekgeek"]

MS published gears:shock:

Slashkice

And? You wanted a link, I gave you one.

[QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="LTomlinson21"]How many times do you want it smashed into your head? Gears of War was published by Microsoft. I even stated this last night in a thread to someone who tried to argue this.LTomlinson21

Yes, but according to your first post and the state of this topic, you are making it sound like Microsoft forces everyone to charge for their maps.;)

[QUOTE="gamergeekgeek"]

link or you're a lier

Slashkice

Here you go.

I remember that. I was upset with Microsoft because one thing that Epic was known for was offering free content (maps) to the community. Especially the UT 1 days. I think if the developer is willing to offer free content to the end user, it should be allowed. I fear this is going to be a sticky situation for Bungie with Halo maps. That said, during the Gamerfest, Microsoft did hint on PC-to-360 maps. Maybe they've seen the light? Maybe they are scared of PSN and the UT3 thing.

[QUOTE="LTomlinson21"]How many times do you want it smashed into your head? Gears of War was published by Microsoft. I even stated this last night in a thread to someone who tried to argue this.Dualshockin

no. ms is the publisher, theyput upthe price tag themselves

The argument was:Microsoft forced Epic to charge for GeOW maps.The user asked for a link,we gave it to him. Nothing more,nothing less.Dualshockin

Yes, but MS made that decision as a publisher. You are trying to make it seem like Microsoft forced Epic to charge to put it on the 360.

They made their decision as a publisher, who is trying to maximize profit.

Microsoft does not force other publishers/developers it is not in charge of to charge or not to charge for anything.

[QUOTE="LTomlinson21"]

[QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="LTomlinson21"]How many times do you want it smashed into your head? Gears of War was published by Microsoft. I even stated this last night in a thread to someone who tried to argue this.Dualshockin

Yes, but according to your first post and the state of this topic, you are making it sound like Microsoft forces everyone to charge for their maps.;)

Oh, but you completley ignored where I was proving what you said has nothing to do with all games? Don't act like you're doing something smart.;) You were trying to make it like Microsoft makes everyone charge for their maps.

[QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="LTomlinson21"]How many times do you want it smashed into your head? Gears of War was published by Microsoft. I even stated this last night in a thread to someone who tried to argue this.gamergeekgeek

no. ms is the publisher, theyput upthe price tag themselves

[QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="LTomlinson21"]

[QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="LTomlinson21"]How many times do you want it smashed into your head? Gears of War was published by Microsoft. I even stated this last night in a thread to someone who tried to argue this.LTomlinson21

Yes, but according to your first post and the state of this topic, you are making it sound like Microsoft forces everyone to charge for their maps.;)

Oh, but you completley ignored where I was proving what you said wrong? Don't act like you're doing something smart.;)

Dualshockin is becoming more shady and deceitful by the day. Come back to the light! :cry:

Oh, but you completley ignored where I was proving what you said has nothing to do with all games? Don't act like you're doing something smart.;) You were trying to make it like Microsoft makes everyone charge for their maps.LTomlinson21

[QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="Thebettertwin"]

what contradictory ramblings

what the heck is he talking about when he says 360 games have suffered

many developers have said the exact opposite

gamergeekgeek

link or you're a lier

Dualshockin is becoming more shady and deceitful by the day. Come back to the light! :cry:Dreams-Visions

[QUOTE="LTomlinson21"]Oh, but you completley ignored where I was proving what you said has nothing to do with all games? Don't act like you're doing something smart.;) You were trying to make it like Microsoft makes everyone charge for their maps.Dualshockin

[QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="Thebettertwin"]

what contradictory ramblings

what the heck is he talking about when he says 360 games have suffered

many developers have said the exact opposite

gamergeekgeek

link or you're a lier

WTF do you expect them to say? And believe you me... a developer may enjoy the lack of restrictions, but the gamers like the standardized experience afforded by Live and MS's quality control of their online offerings.

HAZE looks generic and assy, btw. I have a PS3 but my interest for this title is nill... and I'm a huge shooter fan. I guess if you didn't have a 360 it would be more exciting, though.

What's there to "damage control?" I have no problem with PSN, just the fact that you are making it sound like Microsoft forces every dev tocharge for their released content onto the Market Place.:lol: You're trying to run from your first statement. Gears of War is an example, but Microsoft published it. Simple.:)LTomlinson21

[QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="Thebettertwin"]

what contradictory ramblings

what the heck is he talking about when he says 360 games have suffered

many developers have said the exact opposite

Ninja-Vox

Microsoft publishes that game. It's their IP. If they want to charge for it, they do. And at least they got the compromise whereby the maps become free later on.

Developers can do as the please - please dont try to make it appears as if microsoft forces developers to charge for content. If microsoft isn't publishing the game, as in gears, they have no say in that whatsoever.

Not it's not THEIR game. Gears of War is created and owned by Epic, they gave M$ the publishing rights to the game, that was it. Epic is a 3rd party company, they can suppor whoever they want and put what games they want on what consoles. It is their game and they have every right as to what kind of content they want offered. The only thing M$ has the rights to is the online service and what gets provided and how, so they have a say in what gets made available and for what cost.

huh? are u saying ms's not the publisher? :?gamergeekgeek

[QUOTE="LTomlinson21"]What's there to "damage control?" I have no problem with PSN, just the fact that you are making it sound like Microsoft forces every dev tocharge for their released content onto the Market Place.:lol: You're trying to run from your first statement. Gears of War is an example, but Microsoft published it. Simple.:)Dualshockin

So you chose PART of an answer and go with it...

got it...

hey at least you're consistent...:roll:

[QUOTE="LTomlinson21"]Oh, but you completley ignored where I was proving what you said has nothing to do with all games? Don't act like you're doing something smart.;) You were trying to make it like Microsoft makes everyone charge for their maps.Dualshockin

[QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="Thebettertwin"]

what contradictory ramblings

what the heck is he talking about when he says 360 games have suffered

many developers have said the exact opposite

gamergeekgeek

link or you're a lier

Yes, and you are also the only one completely ignoring the point that everyone who responded to you is trying to make. MS is the publisher, thus they can price it however they like, thus making your first post in this thread void. Pricing is not what the Haze dude is on about, but you made it sound like it was. Well, you are wrong, end of.

[QUOTE="LTomlinson21"]What's there to "damage control?" I have no problem with PSN, just the fact that you are making it sound like Microsoft forces every dev tocharge for their released content onto the Market Place.:lol: You're trying to run from your first statement. Gears of War is an example, but Microsoft published it. Simple.:)Dualshockin

Then what did your first statement of this topic have to with any of what the topic creator posted? The developers of Haze could release maps for free over Market Place if the publishers of the game allowed them too. I think you came into this topic just to try and put a bad spin on Xbox Live.:D

[QUOTE="gamergeekgeek"]huh? are u saying ms's not the publisher? :?Dualshockin

I love how sony backed devs conveniently leave out the part where their online games are limited life...

eventually they will pull the plug and you won't be able to play Haze using PSN.

with xbox live as long as two people have the same game you'll always have someone to play with online...

"flexible"..? yeah, right..:roll:

tango90101

Proof or GTFO.

Yes, and you are also the only one completely ignoring the point that everyone who responded to you is trying to make. MS is the publisher, thus they can price it however they like, thus making your first post in this thread void. Pricing is not what the Haze dude is on about, but you made it sound like it was. Well, you are wrong, end of.astiop