HD, biggest gimmick this gen.

Everythings a gimmickHaziqonfire

After 5 pages of bickering, finallly someone posted this. Everything IS a gimmick, whether be in HD, having mottion sensing; they are all part of the same group. Heck consoles aside, games features gimmicks all the time from Siren's sightjacking last gen to Haze's Nectar this generation. People try new things, seeing if they will attract people and pick up and something to continue onward in the future.

[QUOTE="Haziqonfire"]Everythings a gimmickArisShadows

After 5 pages of bickering, finallly someone posted this. Everything IS a gimmick, whether be in HD, having mottion sensing; they are all part of the same group. Heck consoles aside, games features gimmicks all the time from Siren's sightjacking last gen to Haze's Nectar this generation. People try new things, seeing if they will attract people and pick up and something to continue onward in the future.

Did anyone say differently? I recall them arguing about which is the bigger gimmick.

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[QUOTE="Haziqonfire"]Everythings a gimmickPRKiNG45

After 5 pages of bickering, finallly someone posted this. Everything IS a gimmick, whether be in HD, having mottion sensing; they are all part of the same group. Heck consoles aside, games features gimmicks all the time from Siren's sightjacking last gen to Haze's Nectar this generation. People try new things, seeing if they will attract people and pick up and something to continue onward in the future.

Did anyone say differently? I recall them arguing about which is the bigger gimmick.

Thats so pointless tho. "Nu-ah, mine is less worse than yours", "No mine is". In retrospective, thats how it being played out, something like that is so laughable at. Both sides are argueing which is the more the gimmick, then in which using gimmick as some kind of bad state be in, this is only to fool themselves. Why, whats the point?

[QUOTE="Star67"]then explain to me why my ps3/360 games look so good?Marth6781

Explain to me why Mass effcet got an 8.5, R/C got an 7.5.

Graphics dont make the game, out of cows/lemms/hermits the former two cant seem to grasp that.

If you rely on GS's reviews then you simply don't have a clue about games at all.

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People call the wii a gimmick all the time, but really lets look at the real gimmick this gen. HD, Cows/Lemms praise this like the second comming of jesus. Even though Hermits had HD gaming years ago(i even had it and i dont p/c game). True HD isnt even implemented in most of the big games that come out, while motion sensing is used in clever and intuitive ways on the BIG wii games.

HD, wont save any consoles this gen, only games will.

wasted_wisdom

LOL cute. I bet you'd be saying that same thing when MS and Sony are making game consoles with the power to draw you into the game as the main character, and by then you sheep would probably be playing your first HDCP nintendo console.

HDCP is hardware based DRM for movies, why the hell would Nintendo care about a console that plays movies?

People call the wii a gimmick all the time, but really lets look at the real gimmick this gen. HD, Cows/Lemms praise this like the second comming of jesus. Even though Hermits had HD gaming years ago(i even had it and i dont p/c game). True HD isnt even implemented in most of the big games that come out, while motion sensing is used in clever and intuitive ways on the BIG wii games.

HD, wont save any consoles this gen, only games will.

Marth6781

lol. ive been HD since last gen.

Its the future, unfortuanately sheep like you allow Nintendo to exploit you into thinking up reasons why HD is a gimmick.

Sadly, its tech, and it's here.

The wii, is cool, but Bashing HD isn't.

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[QUOTE="Haziqonfire"]Everythings a gimmickPRKiNG45

After 5 pages of bickering, finallly someone posted this. Everything IS a gimmick, whether be in HD, having mottion sensing; they are all part of the same group. Heck consoles aside, games features gimmicks all the time from Siren's sightjacking last gen to Haze's Nectar this generation. People try new things, seeing if they will attract people and pick up and something to continue onward in the future.

Did anyone say differently? I recall them arguing about which is the bigger gimmick.

Haha...controllers are gimmicks!!1! No one uses them! Motion sensing is the future! Even though it isn't used in SSBB and SMG!

[QUOTE="Haziqonfire"]Everythings a gimmickArisShadows

After 5 pages of bickering, finallly someone posted this. Everything IS a gimmick.

That's some pretty dodgy logic.

People call the wii a gimmick all the time, but really lets look at the real gimmick this gen. HD, Cows/Lemms praise this like the second comming of jesus. Even though Hermits had HD gaming years ago(i even had it and i dont p/c game). True HD isnt even implemented in most of the big games that come out, while motion sensing is used in clever and intuitive ways on the BIG wii games.

HD, wont save any consoles this gen, only games will.

Marth6781

Yup HD is a gimmik the way MS and Sony try to sell it. Its just a freaking resolution, they should have focused on the vastly improved graphics.

This thread is a gimmick. no seriously why would HD be a gimmick its a massive increase in pixels most notably 1080p anyone who says differently has either never seen HD or is to cheap to buy a set i mean its only 2008, and i have been rockin HD since 2002. its only going to get better son SHDTV will be out and we are talkin 2000p-5000p in 2011 expect PS4 and Xbox 360II to take advantage.Nameless-Hero

Despite this fact, it's still been around on PC for quite a long time now, and so all it does is put consoles one step towards PC, but still far behind. Consoles should stop attempting to be PCs, and follow down their own, unique, console road.

720p = gimmick

1080i = half assed gimmick

1080p = awesome.

then explain to me why my ps3/360 games look so good?Star67

high res textures, motion blur, partical effects, hdr (if used right) etc. try running the original half life in 1600 x 1200 and see how bad it looks and you will know that res is not what makes games look good but does improve graphics

last i heard 720p (1080i) is HD, even 600p is HD since sdtvs operate at 480i or lower

one of my friends was doubtful of needing HD to play games but when he came over we switched my ps3 from a 15 year old panasonic to our 52" 1080p lcd tv and he was converted instantly, this generation is the beginning of HD gaming, it isn't going anywhere it's staying trust me on that one

beavisofcod2

its not just the resolution but the fact a new tv will have better image quality than a 15 year old tv

720p = gimmick

1080i = half assed gimmick

1080p = awesome.

rgame1

that makes absolutly no sense!

HD is important, but I think that the bar of 1080p is way too high for now. For example Crysis.Redgarl

and console can't even run it at any res says crytek. a 8800gt can run basicly any other game in 1080p. what about the fact a 8800gt can easily max out grid in 720p with 16x AA while consoles struggle with even 2x

HD makes everything look better. You don't need it for the games to look good. But it does make them look better.

It also makes televison and movies look better too.

Bread_or_Decide

last i heard 720p (1080i) is HD, even 600p is HD since sdtvs operate at 480i or lower

one of my friends was doubtful of needing HD to play games but when he came over we switched my ps3 from a 15 year old panasonic to our 52" 1080p lcd tv and he was converted instantly, this generation is the beginning of HD gaming, it isn't going anywhere it's staying trust me on that one

beavisofcod2

No, HD resolutions begin at 720p and PAL is 576i...

:| you obviously don't even know what gimmick means. HD makes games look much better. Fact. No possible way you can consider that a "gimmick"

zero9167

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[QUOTE="Haziqonfire"]Everythings a gimmickrumtumtugger

After 5 pages of bickering, finallly someone posted this. Everything IS a gimmick, whether be in HD, having mottion sensing; they are all part of the same group. Heck consoles aside, games features gimmicks all the time from Siren's sightjacking last gen to Haze's Nectar this generation. People try new things, seeing if they will attract people and pick up and something to continue onward in the future.

Did anyone say differently? I recall them arguing about which is the bigger gimmick.

Haha...controllers are gimmicks!!1! No one uses them! Motion sensing is the future! Even though it isn't used in SSBB and SMG!

[QUOTE="beavisofcod2"]

last i heard 720p (1080i) is HD, even 600p is HD since sdtvs operate at 480i or lower

one of my friends was doubtful of needing HD to play games but when he came over we switched my ps3 from a 15 year old panasonic to our 52" 1080p lcd tv and he was converted instantly, this generation is the beginning of HD gaming, it isn't going anywhere it's staying trust me on that one

Arnalion

No, HD resolutions begin at 720p and PAL is 576i...

The technical standard is 720p or above.

600p would be considered a "ED" resolution, or enhanced defenition.

so if you'd have had the choice you would prefer SD PS2/xbox graphics over better maybe not completely HD PS3/360 graphics?Ragashahs

Well connsidering I dont have those, and if the game plays better on SD ps2 graphics ill take it over "prettier" graphics any day.

Oh and most of the ps3/360 look like enhanced versions of last gen games, nothing on either system has made me go WOW. Uncharted looks like plastic and vasaline was slapped on everything, COD4 looks like and enhanced re:4

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[QUOTE="Star67"]then explain to me why my ps3/360 games look so good?Marth6781

Explain to me why Mass effcet got an 8.5, R/C got an 7.5.

Graphics dont make the game, out of cows/lemms/hermits the former two cant seem to grasp that.

they didn't get an 8.5 or a 7.5 because of the HD capabilities, but a lot of games do lose points because of terrible controls. yes nintendo does a great job, but you can't count on third party.

personally this is a silly arguement.

how many reviews have you heard complaints about HD capabilities?

practically every Wii game has some talk about the controller, good or bad.

They got points off for gameplay, further proving the point some one and I made a couple posts ago, GRAPHICS wont save any thing.

Explain Crysis...

[QUOTE="Marth6781"][QUOTE="LEGEND_C4A"][QUOTE="Marth6781"]

[QUOTE="Star67"]then explain to me why my ps3/360 games look so good?Antikyth3ra

Explain to me why Mass effcet got an 8.5, R/C got an 7.5.

Graphics dont make the game, out of cows/lemms/hermits the former two cant seem to grasp that.

they didn't get an 8.5 or a 7.5 because of the HD capabilities, but a lot of games do lose points because of terrible controls. yes nintendo does a great job, but you can't count on third party.

personally this is a silly arguement.

how many reviews have you heard complaints about HD capabilities?

practically every Wii game has some talk about the controller, good or bad.

They got points off for gameplay, further proving the point some one and I made a couple posts ago, GRAPHICS wont save any thing.

Explain Crysis...

Crysis is a more advanced FPS than anything on a console, and the gameplay is what is truly the highpoint of the game. Yes, the graphics were obviously a very large selling point, but they hardly "saved" the game. Crysis would be a capable and great game with Half Life 2 graphics.

..HD is not only for videogames you

oh wait i cant say this. I always move my (TV) controler up and down to make my favorite sports players run faster. NBA NHL NFL!!!

[QUOTE="Ragashahs"]so if you'd have had the choice you would prefer SD PS2/xbox graphics over better maybe not completely HD PS3/360 graphics?Marth6781

Well connsidering I dont have those, and if the game plays better on SD ps2 graphics ill take it over "prettier" graphics any day.

Oh and most of the ps3/360 look like enhanced versions of last gen games, nothing on either system has made me go WOW. Uncharted looks like plastic and vasaline was slapped on everything, COD4 looks like and enhanced re:4

Isn't that what next gen console iterations are?What has GC sucessed about the N64 enough to make it considered as worthy enough to make it the main squeeze?

That's all consoles are, improvements on rehashes.Talk about how those games are enchanced versions, the wii can't even be called that:lol:

The entire wii is a gimmick.Basically, Nintendo didn't go with the usual approach of improving the technology of the system because look where it got them last 2 gens, GC was in third place, inferior PS1 was beating out N64, then the Dreamcast came and smashed all it's graphical and technological praise it ever garnished.Imagine if the Wii was on par with PS3/360, it wouldn't be selling like it is today, the console war would be drastically changed, it would basically be a next-next gen Gamecube:lol:

Nintendo never confronted their main problems with any of their systems, which is what always caused them to hit dead last;Image, and Hardcore factor.Nintendo was forced to come up with an idea so drastically different to actually compete with MS and Sony because they themselves off pure power could not keep up in the race, they need gimmicks.

My friends brought their wii over, and played, I have about 5 hardcore Nintendo fans who only own wii's, the only games they play are MP3, SSBB, and Mario Kart.Even with that, their bored with lackluster graphics, sub-par online, and more and more gimmicks like WiiWare and Wii channels and Mii I bet, even though they don't admit it.

The 'Motion Sensing', sounds good on paper but is horrible in person.First off, the sensor bar was so horrible at detecting movements my friends had to stand up the entire time to play games.Like PS3 motion sensing, it offers nothing revolutionary, but just the drastic change makes it the talk of casualites and soccer moms alike.Only coming from an open minded perspective of playing/non casual will make you realize how worthless it is.It isn't even real motion sensing, as it's basically a controller that moves when you swing it, with face buttons on it.One can call that motion sensing by definition but it's nothing revoltionary on its own merits.Don't forget the Wii's price point as another factor, and it's kiddy image with classic games that appeal to all ages alike, and you got yourself a well sold gimmick.I applaud Nintendo on their technique to take millions of peoples dollars away...

I really have to disagree. Ps2/Wii look like crap on my Bravia but my 360 looks good, I wouldnt want to be stuck playin my 360 on my sdtv in my bedroom. Its not a gimmick its a feature.

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[QUOTE="Ragashahs"]so if you'd have had the choice you would prefer SD PS2/xbox graphics over better maybe not completely HD PS3/360 graphics?John_Keyes

Well connsidering I dont have those, and if the game plays better on SD ps2 graphics ill take it over "prettier" graphics any day.

Oh and most of the ps3/360 look like enhanced versions of last gen games, nothing on either system has made me go WOW. Uncharted looks like plastic and vasaline was slapped on everything, COD4 looks like and enhanced re:4

Isn't that what next gen console iterations are?What has GC sucessed about the N64 enough to make it considered as worthy enough to make it the main squeeze?

That's all consoles are, improvements on rehashes.Talk about how those games are enchanced versions, the wii can't even be called that:lol:

The entire wii is a gimmick.Basically, Nintendo didn't go with the usual approach of improving the technology of the system because look where it got them last 2 gens, GC was in third place, inferior PS1 was beating out N64, then the Dreamcast came and smashed all it's graphical and technological praise it ever garnished.Imagine if the Wii was on par with PS3/360, it wouldn't be selling like it is today, the console war would be drastically changed, it would basically be a next-next gen Gamecube:lol:

Nintendo never confronted their main problems with any of their systems, which is what always caused them to hit dead last;Image, and Hardcore factor.Nintendo was forced to come up with an idea so drastically different to actually compete with MS and Sony because they themselves off pure power could not keep up in the race, they need gimmicks.

My friends brought their wii over, and played, I have about 5 hardcore Nintendo fans who only own wii's, the only games they play are MP3, SSBB, and Mario Kart.Even with that, their bored with lackluster graphics, sub-par online, and more and more gimmicks like WiiWare and Wii channels and Mii I bet, even though they don't admit it.

The 'Motion Sensing', sounds good on paper but is horrible in person.First off, the sensor bar was so horrible at detecting movements my friends had to stand up the entire time to play games.Like PS3 motion sensing, it offers nothing revolutionary, but just the drastic change makes it the talk of casualites and soccer moms alike.Only coming from an open minded perspective of playing/non casual will make you realize how worthless it is.It isn't even real motion sensing, as it's basically a controller that moves when you swing it, with face buttons on it.One can call that motion sensing by definition but it's nothing revoltionary on its own merits.Don't forget the Wii's price point as another factor, and it's kiddy image with classic games that appeal to all ages alike, and you got yourself a well sold gimmick.I applaud Nintendo on their technique to take millions of peoples dollars away...

"gimmicks like WiiWare"?

you pretty much validated that no one is gonna take you seriously