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#1 dreman999
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http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011/02/11/dragon-age-ii-goes-gold-55-mins-of-footage/

Here a streamed play of it.

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#3 padaporra
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I hope Bioware delivers again.

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#4 jasonharris48
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It still doesn't look interesting to me, and I was a huge fan of the first title.

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#5 MFDOOM1983
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Skipping this for the witcher 2.
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#6 USS_Data
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Meh a game made by Bioware that means it will be mediocre and made for people who don't want to play REAL rpg's.

No thanks I take The Witcher 2 over Dragon Age 2 and Mass Effect 3.

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#7 00Killaz00
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I don't care if someone **** at me that WRPG isn't a genre, Western made RPGs play differently and are completely boring.

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#8 dreman999
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It still doesn't look interesting to me, and I was a huge fan of the first title.

jasonharris48

Skipping this for the witcher 2.MFDOOM1983
You can't have watch the whole thing in the short time it took you guys to post. The PC version plays the same as DA: O

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#9 Teuf_
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Question: why would a DA2 hater want to watch 55 minutes of it? :P

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#10 jasonharris48
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It still doesn't look interesting to me, and I was a huge fan of the first title.

dreman999

Skipping this for the witcher 2.MFDOOM1983
You can't have watch the whole thing in the short time it took you guys to post. The PC version plays the same as da:o

I am currently watching the video. It still doesn't look interesting to me lol.

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#11 spookykid143
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I think i would rather play the superior Witcher 2

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#12 110million
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Don't really wana see, I've seen enough to know certain things piss me off, like menu layout, character screens, they go for minimalist and simple but they just look dull. I'll still get it eventually, but was hoping they would not do more (or less in this case) of DA, I loved DA, but it was fairly dumbed down compared to previous Bioware fantasy RPGs, was hoping to get more depth this time around, not less. Even if the fighting is pretty much the same, a few things are flawed at the core. For example, not customizing allies, this is a very non-RPG thing to do, it was okay for ME cause it was an TPS, its not okay for an RPG :| On top of that, the fact that you can only queue one attack because the developers said you won't ever need to use more than one attack when fighting regular enemies is such a stupid concept, its pretty much like dynasty warriors, where you fight a ton of weak enemies, instead of smaller groups of tough ones.

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I don't care if someone **** at me that WRPG isn't a genre, Western made RPGs play differently and are completely boring.

00Killaz00
As opposed to little girls with high pitched voices, and a laughable story in JRPG's?
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#14 Parasomniac
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I don't know how I feel about it taking place mostly in one city. In DAO you traveled around a country.
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[QUOTE="00Killaz00"]

I don't care if someone **** at me that WRPG isn't a genre, Western made RPGs play differently and are completely boring.

Tetrarch9

As opposed to little girls with high pitched voices, and a laughable story in JRPG's?

Yes.

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#16 texasgoldrush
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Meh a game made by Bioware that means it will be mediocre and made for people who don't want to play REAL rpg's.

No thanks I take The Witcher 2 over Dragon Age 2 and Mass Effect 3.

And The Witcher 2 isn't a REAL RPG either........its going to have action game combat just like bioware's new games.
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#17 Teuf_
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[QUOTE="USS_Data"]

Meh a game made by Bioware that means it will be mediocre and made for people who don't want to play REAL rpg's.

No thanks I take The Witcher 2 over Dragon Age 2 and Mass Effect 3.

texasgoldrush

And The Witcher 2 isn't a REAL RPG either........its going to have action game combat just like bioware's new games.



So it's a fake RPG?

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#18 jasonharris48
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[QUOTE="USS_Data"]

Meh a game made by Bioware that means it will be mediocre and made for people who don't want to play REAL rpg's.

No thanks I take The Witcher 2 over Dragon Age 2 and Mass Effect 3.

texasgoldrush

And The Witcher 2 isn't a REAL RPG either........its going to have action game combat just like bioware's new games.

Ye it will probably have better gameplay and far better role playing compared to DA2.

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#19 ModeDude
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Personally I don't care whether it's an RPG or what ever, never did, I just want to play a good game.
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#21 dreman999
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I don't know how I feel about it taking place mostly in one city. In DAO you traveled around a country.Parasomniac
Plane scape took place in one city.
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Personally I don't care whether it's an RPG or what ever, never did, I just want to play a good game.ModeDude

I can agree with that. Bring on the RPG's!

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#23 USS_Data
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Meh a game made by Bioware that means it will be mediocre and made for people who don't want to play REAL rpg's.

No thanks I take The Witcher 2 over Dragon Age 2 and Mass Effect 3.

texasgoldrush

And The Witcher 2 isn't a REAL RPG either........its going to have action game combat just like bioware's new games.

The Witcher 1 and 2 actually are REAL rpg's and very good ones too unlike Mass Effect 2/3 and Dragon Age 2 which are just 2 TPS'ers and a button masher.

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Why does the combat look so one-way? Can enemies not block your attacks or attack you if your attacking them?

Bleh.

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#25 elbert_b_23
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the first game ruined any chances of me wanting to play part 2 with parts 1 simi auto battles and with the halfa** fantasy story there's no way I'll play 2 anytime this year, no matter how much they clam that they made it better, i have seen bioware's change from their rpg games like me1 to less rpg to more fast 3rd person shooter me2
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#26 110million
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Don't really wana see, I've seen enough to know certain things piss me off, like menu layout, character screens, they go for minimalist and simple but they just look dull. I'll still get it eventually, but was hoping they would not do more (or less in this case) of DA, I loved DA, but it was fairly dumbed down compared to previous Bioware fantasy RPGs, was hoping to get more depth this time around, not less. Even if the fighting is pretty much the same, a few things are flawed at the core. For example, not customizing allies, this is a very non-RPG thing to do, it was okay for ME cause it was an TPS, its not okay for an RPG :| On top of that, the fact that you can only queue one attack because the developers said you won't ever need to use more than one attack when fighting regular enemies is such a stupid concept, its pretty much like dynasty warriors, where you fight a ton of weak enemies, instead of smaller groups of tough ones.

dreman999
My god. I'm sick a tried of you whiner. They change one thing and it's the end of the world. You hate it so much state that you never see pc gameplay but here itis and you won't watch it. You then say the game play suck, but never play even with the Demo up and you'll it a flop even if it scores well. Just watch it.....all of it. Make aleap of faith, and then say something. Because if you don't everything you say will have no ground to stand on.

Not watching 55 minutes of it BECAUSE I don't want to ruin it for myself, I never watch more than teaser or short trailer for a game, because I like to have everything be new when I see it for myself. They didn't change just one thing, but I won't get into this in another thread. I've seen PC gameplay months ago, and it looks fine, I admitted that it looked more like DA:O then I was expecting, which is nice enough, but less customization and the lame wheel where you pick an emotion with a short few words (like in ME) really pisses me off regardless. Never said I wasn't going to get it, its just unlikely that I would pay full price for it.
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#27 dreman999
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[QUOTE="Pug-Nasty"]

Why does the combat look so one-way? Can enemies not block your attacks or attack you if your attacking them?

Bleh.

I guess you never played DA:O or buldars gate if your asking that quetion.
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#28 GreenGoblin2099
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Why does the combat look so one-way? Can enemies not block your attacks or attack you if your attacking them?

Bleh.

Pug-Nasty

You're just THAT badass... unlike Geralt :lol:

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#29 Kandlegoat
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YOU SURE showed them!

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#30 dreman999
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[QUOTE="110million"][QUOTE="dreman999"][QUOTE="110million"]

Don't really wana see, I've seen enough to know certain things piss me off, like menu layout, character screens, they go for minimalist and simple but they just look dull. I'll still get it eventually, but was hoping they would not do more (or less in this case) of DA, I loved DA, but it was fairly dumbed down compared to previous Bioware fantasy RPGs, was hoping to get more depth this time around, not less. Even if the fighting is pretty much the same, a few things are flawed at the core. For example, not customizing allies, this is a very non-RPG thing to do, it was okay for ME cause it was an TPS, its not okay for an RPG :| On top of that, the fact that you can only queue one attack because the developers said you won't ever need to use more than one attack when fighting regular enemies is such a stupid concept, its pretty much like dynasty warriors, where you fight a ton of weak enemies, instead of smaller groups of tough ones.

My god. I'm sick a tried of you whiner. They change one thing and it's the end of the world. You hate it so much state that you never see pc gameplay but here itis and you won't watch it. You then say the game play suck, but never play even with the Demo up and you'll it a flop even if it scores well. Just watch it.....all of it. Make aleap of faith, and then say something. Because if you don't everything you say will have no ground to stand on.

Not watching 55 minutes of it BECAUSE I don't want to ruin it for myself, I never watch more than teaser or short trailer for a game, because I like to have everything be new when I see it for myself. They didn't change just one thing, but I won't get into this in another thread. I've seen PC gameplay months ago, and it looks fine, I admitted that it looked more like DA:O then I was expecting, which is nice enough, but less customization and the lame wheel where you pick an emotion with a short few words (like in ME) really pisses me off regardless. Never said I wasn't going to get it, its just unlikely that I would pay full price for it.

It's not as bad as you think it is, really. It doesn't do anything to lessen the role playing experiance. Your just nickpiking.
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#31 Tetrarch9
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[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="USS_Data"]

Meh a game made by Bioware that means it will be mediocre and made for people who don't want to play REAL rpg's.

No thanks I take The Witcher 2 over Dragon Age 2 and Mass Effect 3.

And The Witcher 2 isn't a REAL RPG either........its going to have action game combat just like bioware's new games.

So any RPG that isn't turn based is fake.
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#32 110million
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[QUOTE="110million"][QUOTE="dreman999"] My god. I'm sick a tried of you whiner. They change one thing and it's the end of the world. You hate it so much state that you never see pc gameplay but here itis and you won't watch it. You then say the game play suck, but never play even with the Demo up and you'll it a flop even if it scores well. Just watch it.....all of it. Make aleap of faith, and then say something. Because if you don't everything you say will have no ground to stand on.dreman999
Not watching 55 minutes of it BECAUSE I don't want to ruin it for myself, I never watch more than teaser or short trailer for a game, because I like to have everything be new when I see it for myself. They didn't change just one thing, but I won't get into this in another thread. I've seen PC gameplay months ago, and it looks fine, I admitted that it looked more like DA:O then I was expecting, which is nice enough, but less customization and the lame wheel where you pick an emotion with a short few words (like in ME) really pisses me off regardless. Never said I wasn't going to get it, its just unlikely that I would pay full price for it.

It's not as bad as you think it is, really. It doesn't do anything to lessen the role playing experiance. Your just nickpiking.

Nope. Its because people take everything so lightly that RPGs can continue to be dumbed down. Why is it okay to not be able to customize your characters? Why is it okay that you get a stupid wheel where it shows you right in the middle what you're going to imply? It was stupid as hell in ME with the red and blue options, since you always knew blue or red could get you out of situations, this makes it even worse and gives an emotion to every option. In Baldur's Gate, you get a big list of sentances, and you pick the one best suited to your character and his role, in ME series and now DA2, you pick like 3 words and he'll just roll with it by himself. Let me go into this a bit deeper then, in some RPGs and games like Zelda, they try to make you the main character by making him silent, all he ever does is assumedly say the options you pick, and answer generically whatever you would answer, therefore he never talks. It ruins this immersion when all you pick is 1-3 words that just happen to be an idea, and the main character will continue the conversation without your input, why even let you pick? Its like false role playing.
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#33 alfredooo
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DA2 is an excellent example of PC gaming holding back the industry. If it wasn't for the PC, DA2 would a deep, fast paced hack and slash game with an above average story. But now just look at it.... for it to appeal to the PC crowd they are keeping half-assed RPG elements and in order for the game to be playable with mouse and keyboard they turned into a mediocre, shallow and slow hack and slash title. Basically instead of being more like Ninja Gaiden or DMC its designed to have a shallow point and click gameplay to appeal to the PC crowd.

I think I should start my own topic with this.

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[QUOTE="dreman999"][QUOTE="110million"] Not watching 55 minutes of it BECAUSE I don't want to ruin it for myself, I never watch more than teaser or short trailer for a game, because I like to have everything be new when I see it for myself. They didn't change just one thing, but I won't get into this in another thread. I've seen PC gameplay months ago, and it looks fine, I admitted that it looked more like DA:O then I was expecting, which is nice enough, but less customization and the lame wheel where you pick an emotion with a short few words (like in ME) really pisses me off regardless. Never said I wasn't going to get it, its just unlikely that I would pay full price for it. 110million
It's not as bad as you think it is, really. It doesn't do anything to lessen the role playing experiance. Your just nickpiking.

Nope. Its because people take everything so lightly that RPGs can continue to be dumbed down. Why is it okay to not be able to customize your characters? Why is it okay that you get a stupid wheel where it shows you right in the middle what you're going to imply? It was stupid as hell in ME with the red and blue options, since you always knew blue or red could get you out of situations, this makes it even worse and gives an emotion to every option. In Baldur's Gate, you get a big list of sentances, and you pick the one best suited to your character and his role, in ME series and now DA2, you pick like 3 words and he'll just roll with it by himself. Let me go into this a bit deeper then, in some RPGs and games like Zelda, they try to make you the main character by making him silent, all he ever does is assumedly say the options you pick, and answer generically whatever you would answer, therefore he never talks. It ruins this immersion when all you pick is 1-3 words that just happen to be an idea, and the main character will continue the conversation without your input, why even let you pick? Its like false role playing.

People don't mind because it's made by Bioware.

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#35 Yangire
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[QUOTE="00Killaz00"]

I don't care if someone **** at me that WRPG isn't a genre, Western made RPGs play differently and are completely boring.

Tetrarch9

As opposed to little girls with high pitched voices, and a laughable story in JRPG's?

Yes.

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I didn't even like DA1, Witcher pwns it.

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#37 BigDaddyPOLO
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[QUOTE="Tetrarch9"][QUOTE="00Killaz00"]

I don't care if someone **** at me that WRPG isn't a genre, Western made RPGs play differently and are completely boring.

110million

As opposed to little girls with high pitched voices, and a laughable story in JRPG's?

Yes.

Oh look a JRPG heavily influenced by WRPGs :lol:

So many butthurt RPG fans in this thread it's fantastic.

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#38 dreman999
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[QUOTE="dreman999"][QUOTE="110million"] It's not as bad as you think it is, really. It doesn't do anything to lessen the role playing experiance. Your just nickpiking. 110million
Nope. Its because people take everything so lightly that RPGs can continue to be dumbed down. Why is it okay to not be able to customize your characters? Why is it okay that you get a stupid wheel where it shows you right in the middle what you're going to imply? It was stupid as hell in ME with the red and blue options, since you always knew blue or red could get you out of situations, this makes it even worse and gives an emotion to every option. In Baldur's Gate, you get a big list of sentances, and you pick the one best suited to your character and his role, in ME series and now DA2, you pick like 3 words and he'll just roll with it by himself. Let me go into this a bit deeper then, in some RPGs and games like Zelda, they try to make you the main character by making him silent, all he ever does is assumedly say the options you pick, and answer generically whatever you would answer, therefore he never talks. It ruins this immersion when all you pick is 1-3 words that just happen to be an idea, and the main character will continue the conversation without your input, why even let you pick? Its like false role playing.

People don't mind because it's made by Bioware.

I really don't see how it's dumb down.(Note:LoZ is not an rpg and silent hero's are a very cheap and poor tactic.) All they did was make it less complex and more flexible. Even FO:NV is one of the newer more flexible types of rpgs avalible. As for roleplaying, BG2 may have a large set of action avalible but in character building, it is far more limited compared to what's avalible today in character role playing due to most people you met said one line or the game had control when you talked to your team.

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DA2 is an excellent example of PC gaming holding back the industry. If it wasn't for the PC, DA2 would a deep, fast paced hack and slash game with an above average story. But now just look at it.... for it to appeal to the PC crowd they are keeping half-assed RPG elements and in order for the game to be playable with mouse and keyboard they turned into a mediocre, shallow and slow hack and slash title. Basically instead of being more like Ninja Gaiden or DMC its designed to have a shallow point and click gameplay to appeal to the PC crowd.

I think I should start my own topic with this.

alfredooo

It isn't meant to be be a Hack & Slash though. It's a RPG (as shallow as the actually RPG elements are). BTW what makes you think it would of been a deep hack & slash title in the first place? I take it you're not familiar with Bioware.

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#40 BigDaddyPOLO
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[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="USS_Data"]

Meh a game made by Bioware that means it will be mediocre and made for people who don't want to play REAL rpg's.

No thanks I take The Witcher 2 over Dragon Age 2 and Mass Effect 3.

USS_Data

And The Witcher 2 isn't a REAL RPG either........its going to have action game combat just like bioware's new games.

The Witcher 1 and 2 actually are REAL rpg's and very good ones too unlike Mass Effect 2/3 and Dragon Age 2 which are just 2 TPS'ers and a button masher.

Yeah great argument there, considering the combat in the Witcher is entirely about timing your clicks.

Is Deus Ex not an RPG anymore because it's an FPS and it doesn't have enough little squares to fill in on its character sheet?

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#41 Yangire
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[QUOTE="110million"]

[QUOTE="Tetrarch9"] As opposed to little girls with high pitched voices, and a laughable story in JRPG's?BigDaddyPOLO

Yes.

Oh look a JRPG heavily influenced by WRPGs :lol:

So many butthurt RPG fans in this thread it's fantastic.

So every JRPG that's not "anime" is heavily influenced by WRPGs?

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#42 texasgoldrush
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[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="USS_Data"]

Meh a game made by Bioware that means it will be mediocre and made for people who don't want to play REAL rpg's.

No thanks I take The Witcher 2 over Dragon Age 2 and Mass Effect 3.

Teufelhuhn

And The Witcher 2 isn't a REAL RPG either........its going to have action game combat just like bioware's new games.



So it's a fake RPG?

I being sarcastic....to these so called RPG elitists.

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#43 texasgoldrush
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[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="USS_Data"]

Meh a game made by Bioware that means it will be mediocre and made for people who don't want to play REAL rpg's.

No thanks I take The Witcher 2 over Dragon Age 2 and Mass Effect 3.

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And The Witcher 2 isn't a REAL RPG either........its going to have action game combat just like bioware's new games.

Ye it will probably have better gameplay and far better role playing compared to DA2.

will see...I perfer the Witcher as well, however, Dragon Age is good as well, and the sequel seems to be far less cliched.

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#44 jasonharris48
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[QUOTE="jasonharris48"]

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] And The Witcher 2 isn't a REAL RPG either........its going to have action game combat just like bioware's new games.texasgoldrush

Ye it will probably have better gameplay and far better role playing compared to DA2.

will see...I perfer the Witcher as well, however, Dragon Age is good as well, and the sequel seems to be far less cliched.

I liked the first DA (PC version at least) I had a very bad experience with the 360 version.

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#45 BigDaddyPOLO
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Yes.

Yangire

Oh look a JRPG heavily influenced by WRPGs :lol:

So many butthurt RPG fans in this thread it's fantastic.

So every JRPG that's not "anime" is heavily influenced by WRPGs?

No but how many modern RPGs come out of Japan looking like this? Also isn't it already kind of established that Demon's Souls does have western RPG influences?

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#46 texasgoldrush
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[QUOTE="Yangire"]

[QUOTE="BigDaddyPOLO"]

[QUOTE="110million"]

Yes.

Oh look a JRPG heavily influenced by WRPGs :lol:

So many butthurt RPG fans in this thread it's fantastic.

So every JRPG that's not "anime" is heavily influenced by WRPGs?

King's Field, Demon Souls, and Dark Souls are definitely WRPGs.
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#47 jasonharris48
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[QUOTE="BigDaddyPOLO"]

[QUOTE="110million"]

Yes.

Yangire

Oh look a JRPG heavily influenced by WRPGs :lol:

So many butthurt RPG fans in this thread it's fantastic.

So every JRPG that's not "anime" is heavily influenced by WRPGs?

Just drop it he thinks all JRPGs are like the NIS/Gust titles.

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#48 texasgoldrush
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[QUOTE="jasonharris48"]

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"]

[QUOTE="jasonharris48"] Ye it will probably have better gameplay and far better role playing compared to DA2.

will see...I perfer the Witcher as well, however, Dragon Age is good as well, and the sequel seems to be far less cliched.

I liked the first DA (PC version at least) I had a very bad experience with the 360 version.

and bioware is right in making it not suck for consoles this time around, as much as PC RPG elitists hate consoles.
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#49 DudeNtheRoom
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For some reason I never felt interested in DA. DA2 doesn't look like something that improves on that.
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#50 BigDaddyPOLO
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Sorry when your genre is made up mostly of that it's kind of hard to change perception, probably why it's not doing nearly as well this gen.