Hey, DA2 haters.....

[QUOTE="jasonharris48"]

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] will see...I perfer the Witcher as well, however, Dragon Age is good as well, and the sequel seems to be far less cliched.

texasgoldrush

I am not going to watch all of that in order to avoid spoilers, but the game looks great to me. Loved the first one and will love this one as well. Cannot wait to pick up my Signature Edition.

[QUOTE="BigDaddyPOLO"]

[QUOTE="110million"]

Yes.

So many butthurt RPG fans in this thread it's fantastic.

So every JRPG that's not "anime" is heavily influenced by WRPGs?

That was terrible. Tactics in this game don't seem like they are required. Doing a set of unnecessary pausing isn't going to change that. I honestly hope they are playing on easy or something.. :S

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="jasonharris48"] I liked the first DA (PC version at least) I had a very bad experience with the 360 version.

[QUOTE="BigDaddyPOLO"]Oh look a JRPG heavily influenced by WRPGs :lol:

So many butthurt RPG fans in this thread it's fantastic.

So every JRPG that's not "anime" is heavily influenced by WRPGs?

[QUOTE="jasonharris48"]

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] and bioware is right in making it not suck for consoles this time around, as much as PC RPG elitists hate consoles.dreman999

No but how many modern RPGs come out of Japan looking like this? Also isn't it already kind of established that Demon's Souls does have western RPG influences?

BigDaddyPOLO

Sure it's rare, but that does not mean that it's influeced by WRPGs. When a JRPG does not stick to the mold of what is considered to be one people automaticly assume it's a WRPG or it's influenced by western games. I would say in some cases Demon's Souls is influenced by WRPGs but dark fantasy and action gameplay is not limited to the west.

King's Field, Demon Souls, and Dark Souls are definitely WRPGs.texasgoldrush

No, they are not made in the west. Action RPGs, Tactical RPGs, MUD, MMORPGs, Roguelikes, and Dungeon crawlers are sub-genres, JRPG and WRPG are terminology.

Besides that what makes them WRPGs? Dungeon crawlers are nearly extinct in the west, but are actually being made in Japan. I mean the King's Field/Shadow Tower games were much more popular in Japan than they were in the west, and Demon's Souls was not made for a western market in mind. Dungeon crawlers these days are a Japanese genre, so even ignoring the whole JRPG/WRPG deal they are more Japanese than western.

[QUOTE="dreman999"][QUOTE="Yangire"]

So every JRPG that's not "anime" is heavily influenced by WRPGs?

110million

[QUOTE="dreman999"][QUOTE="Yangire"]

So every JRPG that's not "anime" is heavily influenced by WRPGs?

110million

[QUOTE="110million"][QUOTE="dreman999"] You know that you shouldn't ask such an obvious question. You of all people know that jrpg at the very earliest were heaily inspired by wrpgs.dreman999

Well whatever this argument has nothing to do with the fact that so many fans of all the old boring aspects of RPGs are incredibly butthurt that something different is getting the attention in the genre because it decides to choose fun over a totally useless type of complexity that appeals only to a tiny audience.

Well whatever this argument has nothing to do with the fact that so many fans of all the old boring aspects of RPGs are incredibly butthurt that something different is getting the attention in the genre because it decides to choose fun over a totally useless type of complexity that appeals only to a tiny audience.

BigDaddyPOLO

And all FPSes were inspired by stuff like Wolfenstein 3D? (I know its not the first). The genres were not exactly decades apart, JRPGs got their own footholds, and have distinctive features. 110million

Well whatever this argument has nothing to do with the fact that so many fans of all the old boring aspects of RPGs are incredibly butthurt that something different is getting the attention in the genre because it decides to choose fun over a totally useless type of complexity that appeals only to a tiny audience.

BigDaddyPOLO

Well it's understandable, a lot of people looking for a cRPG experience like generations before this have been left out in the cold. I assume quite a few people bought Dragon Age something similar to what they played in the 1990's and for the sequel they're streamlining it even further. All comes down to how not every niche can be happy.

My complaint with Dragon Age 2 is the reduced amount of customization and the ******* conversation wheel. The conversation wheel is the worst thing that has happened the RPG genre recently. It feels like I am giving a minor clue on what to say and he goes on and says something that in many cases only barely resemble what I was planning to say. In mass effect this went to the point that I didnt pick anything outside of the renegade option. It did not only ruin the immersion, but also led to many face palm worthy moments and pretty much destroyed the Roleplaying.

Why is it okay that you get a stupid wheel where it shows you right in the middle what you're going to imply? It was stupid as hell in ME with the red and blue options, since you always knew blue or red could get you out of situations, this makes it even worse and gives an emotion to every option. In Baldur's Gate, you get a big list of sentances, and you pick the one best suited to your character and his role, in ME series and now DA2, you pick like 3 words and he'll just roll with it by himself. Let me go into this a bit deeper then, in some RPGs and games like Zelda, they try to make you the main character by making him silent, all he ever does is assumedly say the options you pick, and answer generically whatever you would answer, therefore he never talks. It ruins this immersion when all you pick is 1-3 words that just happen to be an idea, and the main character will continue the conversation without your input, why even let you pick? Its like false role playing. 110million

I really do hate that with RPGs nowdays, you always know what conversation options get you out of situations, I miss like how in the RPGs of old I was never guaranteed to know the outcome of conversation choices. In baldurs gate as you said, I picked what choices fitted my character the best, what he would have said, while in games using the conversation wheel I would pick the choice leading to the best results, the right answer was being thrown in my face anyway.

Sigh, I really miss the days when it actually felt like I was doing the conversations rather than some puppet. I dont know about you, but when I outsmarted someone in games like Baldurs Gate, it felt it was because I did it because of my wit as opposed to I outsmarted someone because I picked the coloured "PICK ME" option. It just felt more satisfying.

Well whatever this argument has nothing to do with the fact that so many fans of all the old boring aspects of RPGs are incredibly butthurt that something different is getting the attention in the genre because it decides to choose fun over a totally useless type of complexity that appeals only to a tiny audience.

BigDaddyPOLO

RPGs like this did exceeding well on PC and appealed to alot of people. Are you trying to say fun for console gamers = hold my hand and simplistic combat?

I dont know about you, but when I outsmarted someone in games like Baldurs Gate, it felt it was because I did it because of my wit as opposed to I outsmarted someone because I picked the coloured "PICK ME" option. It just felt more satisfying.Maroxad

[QUOTE="dreman999"]

[QUOTE="110million"] And all FPSes were inspired by stuff like Wolfenstein 3D? (I know its not the first). The genres were not exactly decades apart, JRPGs got their own footholds, and have distinctive features. 110million

I really loved DA, but now Bioware ruined it just like ME2.. >_> And aside from it being turned into an action game, what's up with the graphics? :| It's worse than DA!harry_james_pot

How about we try the game when its out.. non of us have played it yet. Sometimes games turn out better then they look from low res screens or low quality videos.

I admit the screenshots and info I have heard doesnt sound good, but #1 its bioware and #2 PC Gamer gave the game a 94/100. They are one of the few review places that I trust more then 70% of there reviews.

[QUOTE="00Killaz00"]

I don't care if someone **** at me that WRPG isn't a genre, Western made RPGs play differently and are completely boring.

Tetrarch9

Yup, I am a fan of such games. Your the one whose taking it personal to hit on my genre, all I said was WRPGs are boring (obviously IMO) then I get whip-lash... the indecency lol

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] And The Witcher 2 isn't a REAL RPG either........its going to have action game combat just like bioware's new games.texasgoldrush

Lol I started the flaming :3 ... and what's so wrong with me not liking WRPGs? Obviously I'll give some a try, I'm just saying of all the ones I have played they are boring... and I have played my fair-share, not like they all are/ or will be.

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"]

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]

So it's a fake RPG?

00Killaz00

Lol I started the flaming :3 ... and what's so wrong with me not liking WRPGs? Obviously I'll give some a try, I'm just saying of all the ones I have played they are boring... and I have played my fair-share, not like they all are/ or will be.

[QUOTE="00Killaz00"]

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] I being sarcastic....to these so called RPG elitists.

texasgoldrush

Lol I started the flaming :3 ... and what's so wrong with me not liking WRPGs? Obviously I'll give some a try, I'm just saying of all the ones I have played they are boring... and I have played my fair-share, not like they all are/ or will be.

[QUOTE="Tetrarch9"][QUOTE="00Killaz00"]

I don't care if someone **** at me that WRPG isn't a genre, Western made RPGs play differently and are completely boring.

110million

Yes.

[QUOTE="110million"]

[QUOTE="Tetrarch9"] As opposed to little girls with high pitched voices, and a laughable story in JRPG's?Dead-Memories

Yes.

[QUOTE="Dead-Memories"]

[QUOTE="110million"]

Yes.

spookykid143

[QUOTE="Dead-Memories"]

[QUOTE="110million"]

Yes.

spookykid143

[QUOTE="spookykid143"]

[QUOTE="Dead-Memories"] definitely not a JRPG. one of the best games this gen, but not a JRPG by any regard.

Dead-Memories

[QUOTE="spookykid143"]

[QUOTE="Dead-Memories"] definitely not a JRPG. one of the best games this gen, but not a JRPG by any regard.

Dead-Memories

It still doesn't look interesting to me, and I was a huge fan of the first title.

jasonharris48

Im just going to rent this there will be too many better games coming out htis year.

[QUOTE="BigDaddyPOLO"]

Well whatever this argument has nothing to do with the fact that so many fans of all the old boring aspects of RPGs are incredibly butthurt that something different is getting the attention in the genre because it decides to choose fun over a totally useless type of complexity that appeals only to a tiny audience.

Yangire

Well it's understandable, a lot of people looking for a cRPG experience like generations before this have been left out in the cold. I assume quite a few people bought Dragon Age something similar to what they played in the 1990's and for the sequel they're streamlining it even further. All comes down to how not every niche can be happy.

The dialog wheel is pathetic. You have three answers which you can see the result of your choice before you choose what you want to answer.

You can pause during the combat and so what? It's nothing like Dragon Age: Origins. Enemies are weak and don't require any strategy and positioning of your party. The mage was in front line "tanking" the enemies with no problem. Also, no friendly fire means no need for tactics. The combat basically resumes to shoot everything you have at the enemies. That was the "tactic" used in all the fights showedduring the presentation.

Ugly interface.

Streamlined companion inventory.

One good thing about the game: night & day cycle. ;)

[QUOTE="BigDaddyPOLO"]

Well whatever this argument has nothing to do with the fact that so many fans of all the old boring aspects of RPGs are incredibly butthurt that something different is getting the attention in the genre because it decides to choose fun over a totally useless type of complexity that appeals only to a tiny audience.

Espada12

RPGs like this did exceeding well on PC and appealed to alot of people. Are you trying to say fun for console gamers = hold my hand and simplistic combat?

The dialog wheel is pathetic. You have three answers which you can see the result of your choice before you choose what you want to answer.

You can pause during the combat and so what? It's nothing like Dragon Age: Origins. Enemies are weak and don't require any strategy and positioning of your party. The mage was in front line "tanking" the enemies with no problem. Also, no friendly fire means no need for tactics. The combat basically resumes to shoot everything you have at the enemies. That was the "tactic" used in all the fights showedduring the presentation.

Ugly interface.

Streamlined companion inventory.

One good thing about the game: night & day cycle. ;)

RyuRanVII

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

[QUOTE="BigDaddyPOLO"]

Well whatever this argument has nothing to do with the fact that so many fans of all the old boring aspects of RPGs are incredibly butthurt that something different is getting the attention in the genre because it decides to choose fun over a totally useless type of complexity that appeals only to a tiny audience.

BigDaddyPOLO

RPGs like this did exceeding well on PC and appealed to alot of people. Are you trying to say fun for console gamers = hold my hand and simplistic combat?

The dialog wheel is pathetic. You have three answers which you can see the result of your choice before you choose what you want to answer.

You can pause during the combat and so what? It's nothing like Dragon Age: Origins. Enemies are weak and don't require any strategy and positioning of your party. The mage was in front line "tanking" the enemies with no problem. Also, no friendly fire means no need for tactics. The combat basically resumes to shoot everything you have at the enemies. That was the "tactic" used in all the fights showedduring the presentation.

Ugly interface.

Streamlined companion inventory.

One good thing about the game: night & day cycle. ;)

RyuRanVII

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

[QUOTE="BigDaddyPOLO"]

BigDaddyPOLO

Yeah...a person obviously needs to be a grad student at Harvard in order to comprehend that having your Character tell someone to "**** off" = being a prick/trying to pick a fight.

[QUOTE="RyuRanVII"]

The dialog wheel is pathetic. You have three answers which you can see the result of your choice before you choose what you want to answer.

You can pause during the combat and so what? It's nothing like Dragon Age: Origins. Enemies are weak and don't require any strategy and positioning of your party. The mage was in front line "tanking" the enemies with no problem. Also, no friendly fire means no need for tactics. The combat basically resumes to shoot everything you have at the enemies. That was the "tactic" used in all the fights showedduring the presentation.

Ugly interface.

Streamlined companion inventory.

One good thing about the game: night & day cycle. ;)

jjccjj92

Is it true the whole game takes place in one city? That'd be a huge bummer if so...

[QUOTE="jasonharris48"]

It still doesn't look interesting to me, and I was a huge fan of the first title.

rolo107

Is it true the whole game takes place in one city? That'd be a huge bummer if so...

jjccjj92

[QUOTE="jjccjj92"]

[QUOTE="RyuRanVII"]

The dialog wheel is pathetic. You have three answers which you can see the result of your choice before you choose what you want to answer.

You can pause during the combat and so what? It's nothing like Dragon Age: Origins. Enemies are weak and don't require any strategy and positioning of your party. The mage was in front line "tanking" the enemies with no problem. Also, no friendly fire means no need for tactics. The combat basically resumes to shoot everything you have at the enemies. That was the "tactic" used in all the fights showedduring the presentation.

Ugly interface.

Streamlined companion inventory.

One good thing about the game: night & day cycle. ;)

110million

[QUOTE="110million"][QUOTE="jjccjj92"]Maybe I played a different game than everyone else but basic enemies in Origins never required any sort of tactics to bring down. Only when you were up against Elites or whatever they were called did strategy come into play.

jjccjj92

[QUOTE="jjccjj92"]

Is it true the whole game takes place in one city? That'd be a huge bummer if so...

RyuRanVII

That's extremely disappointing. One of the great things about Origins was its environmental variety. Spending 40 plus hours in one area doesn't sound very appealing to me.

[QUOTE="RyuRanVII"]

The dialog wheel is pathetic. You have three answers which you can see the result of your choice before you choose what you want to answer.

You can pause during the combat and so what? It's nothing like Dragon Age: Origins. Enemies are weak and don't require any strategy and positioning of your party. The mage was in front line "tanking" the enemies with no problem. Also, no friendly fire means no need for tactics. The combat basically resumes to shoot everything you have at the enemies. That was the "tactic" used in all the fights showedduring the presentation.

Ugly interface.

Streamlined companion inventory.

One good thing about the game: night & day cycle. ;)

[QUOTE="jjccjj92"]

[QUOTE="RyuRanVII"]

The dialog wheel is pathetic. You have three answers which you can see the result of your choice before you choose what you want to answer.

You can pause during the combat and so what? It's nothing like Dragon Age: Origins. Enemies are weak and don't require any strategy and positioning of your party. The mage was in front line "tanking" the enemies with no problem. Also, no friendly fire means no need for tactics. The combat basically resumes to shoot everything you have at the enemies. That was the "tactic" used in all the fights showedduring the presentation.

Ugly interface.

Streamlined companion inventory.

One good thing about the game: night & day cycle. ;)

110million

You played it on consoles right? Normal on PC was harder than hard on consoles, it was scaled differently. It was possible to be overwhelmed by a large room of enemies.

Dragon Age: Origins was a lot harder on PC. In Nightmare difficulty you received 200% of friendly fire damage, which made you think before using powerful spells such as Storm of the Century. In fact you had to move the party members out to the area of effect before using any spell. A wrong placed Cone of Cold could make you loose a simple fight.