Highly Probable: Sony PSP2 to use nVidia Tegra 2 (EDIT)

Apparently one of nVidia's (now ex-)engineers couldn't keep his mouth shut.

Sony PSP2 powered by nVidia's Tegra Line

The article is rather negative but this is because the writer is a little baised towards nVidia, sometimes he's right: bumpgate issue (dying 8000 series cards), GF100 (GTX4xx series) but sometimes he's wrong: GTX460.

Now, what exactly does that mean because knowing that it's going to use Tegra 2 doesn't bring us one step closer to understanding how well it'll perform. Well, that's what these VIDs is for.

nVidia Tegra 2 Game Demo ___Full Website Mode (Recommended)

The VID below contains alot of talking about the non-gaming parts of the chip but also a much shorter and (much more important) much clearer shot of the Game demo.

Entire Tegra 2 Coverage ___Full Website Mode (Recommended)

Quite impressive I'd say. It can push 90 milliontriangles/sec, which is double/triple that of N3DS' Pica200 which hovers between 30-40 million triangles/sec (conflicting data sheets) ontop of certain techniques the Pica200 doesn't even have. Im' pretty sure it can look quite a bit better because the footage is running at 720p, 4xAA at 60FPS, which just overkill on a small screen.

Here's a picture of it. It's quite large so I hope Sony actually manages to stay within the power envelope but so far it looks very promising.

/discuss

EDIT: Somehow this thread manages to get bumped over and over again. So there ya go, thread name changed. I suppose there were some valid points brought up. Just know that you heard it here first when Sony finally does tell at TGS.

Now all they need to do is make sure to put the display-out port on the first version.

Unless the PSP2 has dual analog sticks, I still won't really care about it unless it has much better 3rd party support than psp did

After dealing with the fact that I can't enjoy my PSP as much as the DS Wii and PS3, I will not be getting PSP2.

They need to make two SKUs, one as a gaming device and the other SKU as a gaming and cellphone combined, I'd get the cellphone Sku in a heartbeat.

The PSP2 isn't confirmed yet, so this is just rumor.

They need to make two SKUs, one as a gaming device and the other SKU as a gaming and cellphone combined, I'd get the cellphone Sku in a heartbeat.

HAZE-Unit

I'd be alot more interested aswell if they released a cellphone SKU. I just hope they won't be using any shiny-cheap-flimsy-feeling plastic.

the thing about specs like that is I wonder how exactly you are going to keep dev costs down (if this is even true)

Isn't Charlie Demerjian some nutball anti-Nvidia guy? Is this even credible?Cherokee_Jack

Doesn't make that him the perfect source? 'Cause this is obviously great news for nVidia.

They need to make two SKUs, one as a gaming device and the other SKU as a gaming and cellphone combined, I'd get the cellphone Sku in a heartbeat.

HAZE-Unit

the thing about specs like that is I wonder how exactly you are going to keep dev costs down (if this is even true)

ActicEdge

If that's true, Nintendo would beat Sony again in the handheld department. Because I don't think that too many devs would want to put all their time & effort into making a beautiful looking game on the PSP in which it'll cost them more just to do than what it will cost to make games for the 3DS.

Isn't Charlie Demerjian some nutball anti-Nvidia guy? Is this even credible?Cherokee_Jack

wait a minute.....isn't the 3DS using the Tegra 2 as well?

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

the thing about specs like that is I wonder how exactly you are going to keep dev costs down (if this is even true)

garland51

If that's true, Nintendo would beat Sony again in the handheld department. Because I don't think that too many devs would want to put all their time & effort into making a beautiful looking game on the PSP in which it'll cost them more just to do than what it will cost to make games for the 3DS.

Why would it cost more to produce a game of lower graphical fidelity than one of higher graphical fidelity? That doesn't make any sense.

[QUOTE="garland51"]

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

the thing about specs like that is I wonder how exactly you are going to keep dev costs down (if this is even true)

hakanakumono

If that's true, Nintendo would beat Sony again in the handheld department. Because I don't think that too many devs would want to put all their time & effort into making a beautiful looking game on the PSP in which it'll cost them more just to do than what it will cost to make games for the 3DS.

Why would it cost more to produce a game of lower graphical fidelity than one of higher graphical fidelity? That doesn't make any sense.

I never said that. What I meant by that is that most 3rd party developers won't be able to put much effort & time into making a very rich, beautiful game on the PSP 2 in which it would cost them more to do, while they can just easily get enough good graphics on the 3DS for cheaper.

I don't really know what that means. Could someone show me what kind of graphics that GPU would be able to produce?fabz_95

too bad people are all leaning more towards the 3ds... i see another failed haldheld generation from sony. Rahnyc4

[QUOTE="HAZE-Unit"]

They need to make two SKUs, one as a gaming device and the other SKU as a gaming and cellphone combined, I'd get the cellphone Sku in a heartbeat.

foxhound_fox

yea thats a must, they just need to blatantly copy Apple with the iPod+iPhone combo and they will get my support because PSP games > iPhone games anyday.

While great graphics on a handheld is always nice I still want an unvieling of the PSP2 and a a lineup look before I even consider buying it.

too bad people are all leaning more towards the 3ds... i see another failed haldheld generation from sony. Rahnyc4

Like hell the PSP failed.

It just wasnt as successful as the DS, but a success nonetheless.

too bad people are all leaning more towards the 3ds... i see another failed haldheld generation from sony. Rahnyc4

"Another failed"- Does not compute. If the PSP truly failed, there wouldn't be a successor. That's like saying the original Xbox failed.

[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"]Isn't Charlie Demerjian some nutball anti-Nvidia guy? Is this even credible?Teufelhuhn

lol yeah, I remember hearing that from you.

[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"]Isn't Charlie Demerjian some nutball anti-Nvidia guy? Is this even credible?Teufelhuhn

You're not making any sense.

Read the post/article ...slowly. If you did you will understand that this is obviously a great thing for NVIDIA because these units tend to ship quite a few million.Now let's assume Charlie D. is a nutball anti-NVIDIA guy. Why would someone very ANTI-NVIDIA post something that's VERY GOOD FOR NVIDIA?

This wouldn't be the first time you were wrong, the guy had a spot on track record concerning GF100 (GTX480, GTX470, GTX465). I'm not saying that you shouldn't take his articles with a grain of salt because the guy does go overboard sometimes but there's absolutely no reason in this particular case to make something up because it obviously benefits the company he so intensely hates.

wait a minute.....isn't the 3DS using the Tegra 2 as well?

LegatoSkyheart

Nope. The 3DS is using the DMP Pica200.

[QUOTE="fabz_95"]I don't really know what that means. Could someone show me what kind of graphics that GPU would be able to produce?windsquid9000

You're not making any sense.

CAPSROGUE

Read the post/article ...slowly. If you did you will understand that this is obviously a great thing for NVIDIA because these units tend to ship quite a few
million.Now let's assume Charlie D. is a nutball anti-NVIDIA guy. Why would someone very ANTI-NVIDIA post something that's VERY GOOD FOR NVIDIA?

CAPSROGUE

"If the chip that Sony uses for the PSP2 is a vanilla Tegra 2, the design is in trouble. If they use a custom version of the part, there is a chance for things to work out in the end, but expect many delays as the silicon is respun and respun. For a device that has already been delayed because of it's CPU, that is not a good sign."

So according to good ol' Charlie D, Nvidia is making sucky, overwpowered parts that are delaying PSP2 and preventing them from making a phone.

He also appears to be making jokes about Nvidia engineer layoffs?

unless sony drops an H bomb on us when they show off the psp 2 i wont buy it. When i mean H Bomb i don`t just mean high end graphics with a touch screen . witch i am pretty sure they will copy ds.

[QUOTE="Rahnyc4"]too bad people are all leaning more towards the 3ds... i see another failed haldheld generation from sony. hd5870corei7

of course the psp isnt a failure. just look at the wii, its selling way more than the 360/Ps3. Does that mean the 360/Ps3 failed? NO.

um psp 2 has not even been confirmed by sonys own mouth yet i am not gonna believe some other site other then gamespot or ign or sony (it must not fall under rumor section either must be by sony)

that said

the closest thing sony has already announced is apsp phone , not a psp2 what is also rumored is a psp 4000 , i can see the later 2 happening but a psp 2 would have been shown at e3 ,

If this is true... I get HD level graphics on my handheld :oRingx55

Bit pointless to be honest. The smaller the screen, the less HD graphics are really needed. A handheld screen with HD is not something you will notice all that much.

[QUOTE="CAPSROGUE"]

You're not making any sense.

Teufelhuhn

Read the post/article ...slowly. If you did you will understand that this is obviously a great thing for NVIDIA because these units tend to ship quite a few
million.Now let's assume Charlie D. is a nutball anti-NVIDIA guy. Why would someone very ANTI-NVIDIA post something that's VERY GOOD FOR NVIDIA?

CAPSROGUE

"If the chip that Sony uses for the PSP2 is a vanilla Tegra 2, the design is in trouble. If they use a custom version of the part, there is a chance for things to work out in the end, but expect many delays as the silicon is respun and respun. For a device that has already been delayed because of it's CPU, that is not a good sign."

So according to good ol' Charlie D, Nvidia is making sucky, overwpowered parts that are delaying PSP2 and preventing them from making a phone.

He also appears to be making jokes about Nvidia engineer layoffs?

You're right, he is unreliable ... when it comes to NVIDIA-related BAD NEWS. I think I mentioned something in my OP. The guy is very spotty when it involves NVIDA. He was right about bumpgate (dying 8000 series cards), GF100 issues (delays, hot & large underperforming chip) but he was also wrong about the 8000 series performance, GTX460 performance & state and exaggerated GTX480's (tesselation) underperformance (still beat HD5870).

What I'm trying to tell you is what makes this different is that this is GOOD NEWS, good news for a company he so intensely hates. He'll try to twist it and spin it to make it look as bad as possible but what I'm telling you is to ignore that and that the only thing you should conclude from his article is that the PSP2 is going to use Tegra 2. The fact that he posted it simply reinforces my point and the only reason why he probaly did is because he could dig up some potential issues. Issues he loves to exaggerate.

PS: He doesn't hate Intel.

http://semiaccurate.com/2010/07/06/intel-smarter-microsoft-or-ibm/

http://semiaccurate.com/2010/05/27/larrabee-alive-and-well/

He very much loves Intel, to the point where it doesn't actually make sense sometimes.

That gpu would cause your hands to get on fire if they somehow find magical way to put it in...not only that,this is extremely not credible source.

I'll settle for an official announcement for PSP2 from Sony, thanks.

Eh, official/confirmed for me means a press release from one of the parties involved.

Spec way too high, if this is true we are looking at a $300 launch price with Sony taking quite some lose. Not to mention the challenge of power consumption/heat dissipation...mysterj

Sounds great, better have a touch screen

Meh the 3DS already got my pick.

If I have money to blow and nothing else good to get I might pick up a PSP2 but only if they started getting a larger seletion of games and actually do something new for once.

DS games feel separate while PSP games feel like dumbed down consoles games.

This is how 3DS rumors started

[QUOTE="HAZE-Unit"]

They need to make two SKUs, one as a gaming device and the other SKU as a gaming and cellphone combined, I'd get the cellphone Sku in a heartbeat.

foxhound_fox

It must have, most of the world use GSM

Just as a note...it was also "leaked" that the 3DS would use the Tegra 2. But we saw how that played out. I just was throwing that into the mix if it hasn't been already.