Highly Probable: Sony PSP2 to use nVidia Tegra 2 (EDIT)

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#51 Cherokee_Jack
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But what makes this rumor more credible simply because it's good news for Nvidia? He spun it as bad news easily enough, so that's no reason to assume that it's true simply because it's not entirely negative from a critical standpoint. In the end this might as well be speculation.
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#52 Cherokee_Jack
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Just as a note...it was also "leaked" that the 3DS would use the Tegra 2. But we saw how that played out. I just was throwing that into the mix if it hasn't been already.

xXDante666Xx
Yeah, it was common 'knowledge' that a Tegra of some kind would be in the 3DS, and it didn't even use an Nvidia chip in reality. I'm sure they talked with Nvidia at some point, though, and I'm sure Sony has/is.
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#53 ronvalencia
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You're right, he is unreliable ... when it comes to NVIDIA-related BAD NEWS. I think I mentioned something in my OP. The guy is very spotty when it involves NVIDA. He was right about bumpgate (dying 8000 series cards), GF100 issues (delays, hot & large underperforming chip) but he was also wrong about the 8000 series performance, GTX460 performance & state and exaggerated GTX480's (tesselation) underperformance (still beat HD5870).

What I'm trying to tell you is what makes this different is that this is GOOD NEWS, good news for a company he so intensely hates. He'll try to twist it and spin it to make it look as bad as possible but what I'm telling you is to ignore that and that the only thing you should conclude from his article is that the PSP2 is going to use Tegra 2. The fact that he posted it simply reinforces my point and the only reason why he probaly did is because he could dig up some potential issues. Issues he loves to exaggerate.

PS: He doesn't hate Intel.

http://semiaccurate.com/2010/07/06/intel-smarter-microsoft-or-ibm/

http://semiaccurate.com/2010/05/27/larrabee-alive-and-well/

He very much loves Intel, to the point where it doesn't actually make sense sometimes.

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As for NVIDIA GeForce 400 Series issues refer to http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showforum=199

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#54 ShadowriverUB
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[QUOTE="xXDante666Xx"]

Just as a note...it was also "leaked" that the 3DS would use the Tegra 2. But we saw how that played out. I just was throwing that into the mix if it hasn't been already.

Cherokee_Jack

Yeah, it was common 'knowledge' that a Tegra of some kind would be in the 3DS, and it didn't even use an Nvidia chip in reality. I'm sure they talked with Nvidia at some point, though, and I'm sure Sony has/is.

It will be very starnge to see 2 consoles haveing same GPU. But PSP2 with only 1 screen and without 3D might get more advantage in use of Tegra 2, it also depends on CPU. I hope They use MIPS architecture again, so there wiill be PSP, PS1 and who know maybe PS2 too BC support

EDIT: I just read about Tegra and dummy me, it also have CPU.... with ARM architecture :( so no PSP BC?

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#55 nnids4
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I'd just like to say that PSP2 is stll just a rumor.

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#56 Coolyfett
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a lot of techies on this one.

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#57 Kokuro_Kun
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Unless the PSP2 has dual analog sticks, I still won't really care about it unless it has much better 3rd party support than psp did

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Psp has good support. The pirates have nearly killed the system, but theres plenty of games.
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#58 VauxhalI
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Now, are they actually going to make good games this time around?

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#59 SaltyMeatballs
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But will it be 3D?
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#60 789shadow
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Well, now all they need to do to beat the 3DS is fix the nub. Oh yeah, and that problem of games.

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#61 WhenCicadasCry
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When will Sony learn. The 3DS is going to bury the PSP2.

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#62 ShadowriverUB
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When will Sony learn. The 3DS is going to bury the PSP2.WhenCicadasCry

If you mean "bury" like DS "buried" PSP, then i don't see issue. PSP is sucessful product

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#63 dr_jashugan
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Cool GPU, now let's hope the PSP2 gets Backward Compatibility. 8)

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#64 BreakTheseLinks
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You should change the title of the thread as it's a blatant lie. The only source that could have made this confirmed news is Sony and Sony alone. However, if this is true, then I would be very interested in the PSP2. I just hope theyadd anew dimension to the handheld (like Nintendo with the 3d...). I think what makes most sense is making the PSP2 an always on 3G/4G device.

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#65 ShadowriverUB
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Cool GPU, now let's hope the PSP2 gets Backward Compatibility. 8)

dr_jashugan

If they use CPU on Tegra it will be hard, it's ARM architecture CPU and PSP, PS1, PS2 had MIPS architecture CPU, so ability to play PSP and PS1 support are in risk. It's same issue that made PS3's BC (after switch to PowerPC) hard and expansive.... but PS1 might survived same as it was with PS3, it had quite low specs (for current time)

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#66 789shadow
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[QUOTE="WhenCicadasCry"]When will Sony learn. The 3DS is going to bury the PSP2.ShadowriverUB

If you mean "bury" like DS "buried" PSP, then i don't see issue. PSP is sucessful product

The DS has sold hundreds of millions of units. The PSP is succesful.....if you take the DS out of the equation.

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#67 ShadowriverUB
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You should change the title of the thread as it's a blatant lie. The only source that could have made this confirmed news is Sony and Sony alone. However, if this is true, then I would be very interested in the PSP2. I just hope theyadd anew dimension to the handheld (like Nintendo with the 3d...). I think what makes most sense is making the PSP2 an always on 3G/4G device.BreakTheseLinks

Well they working on new platform thats for sure, rumors on 3DS started year before annoucment as i remember.

Oh and by 4G you mean WiMax ofcorse? ^^ it would be a killer, but current cover is not very impressive, most of networks are experimental here in europe

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#68 ShadowriverUB
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[QUOTE="ShadowriverUB"]

[QUOTE="WhenCicadasCry"]When will Sony learn. The 3DS is going to bury the PSP2.789shadow

If you mean "bury" like DS "buried" PSP, then i don't see issue. PSP is sucessful product

The DS has sold hundreds of millions of units. The PSP is succesful.....if you take the DS out of the equation.

So you consider 360 or Xbox 1 as a failer?

Against Nintendo they did good and they and it's nice alternative, they didn't fail so it's succesful

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[QUOTE="ShadowriverUB"]

[QUOTE="WhenCicadasCry"]When will Sony learn. The 3DS is going to bury the PSP2.789shadow

If you mean "bury" like DS "buried" PSP, then i don't see issue. PSP is sucessful product

The DS has sold hundreds of millions of units. The PSP is succesful.....if you take the DS out of the equation.

Yes, because sales are the only thing that count...

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#70 789shadow
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[QUOTE="789shadow"]

[QUOTE="ShadowriverUB"]

If you mean "bury" like DS "buried" PSP, then i don't see issue. PSP is sucessful product

gamebreakerz__

The DS has sold hundreds of millions of units. The PSP is succesful.....if you take the DS out of the equation.

Yes, because sales are the only thing that count...

Don't even try to bring games into this already lopsided equation.

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#71 NVIDIATI
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Tegra 3 comes out next year...:? I don't think they'll keep T2 when T3 is supposed to have more graphical power and less power consumption.

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#72 Dante2710
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Isn't Charlie Demerjian some nutball anti-Nvidia guy? Is this even credible?Cherokee_Jack
Pretty much, the guy is a complete douchebag and biased as heck.
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[QUOTE="BreakTheseLinks"]You should change the title of the thread as it's a blatant lie. The only source that could have made this confirmed news is Sony and Sony alone. However, if this is true, then I would be very interested in the PSP2. I just hope theyadd anew dimension to the handheld (like Nintendo with the 3d...). I think what makes most sense is making the PSP2 an always on 3G/4G device.ShadowriverUB

Well they working on new platform thats for sure, rumors on 3DS started year before annoucment as i remember.

Oh and by 4G you mean WiMax ofcorse? ^^ it would be a killer, but current cover is not very impressive, most of networks are experimental here in europe

PSP2 rumors have been going on almost since the PSP1 was released. It's never amounted to anything. Sure, there is probably some future platform they are working on... but the question of when it will be released, and what form it will take (not necessarily a direct successor, could be a smartphone, etc.), and what GPU it will contain, we have nothing reliable.

As for 3DS, I think it really came out of left field. There were rumors about a DS successor using Tegra 2 -- obviously unreliable and incorrect -- but the only real insight we had on a new DS and its capabilities came from Iwata himself, who said in early January 2010 that the next DS will have "highly detailed graphics, and it will be necessary to have a sensor with the ability to read the movements of people playing"... then the 3DS was announced 2 months later. But Sony so far has refused to say a word that would imply the PSP won't be their front-runner for years to come...

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#74 Kleeyook
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I don't actually understand the part about the engineer. Is he now "ex-" because he's dead!? Or is it just a joke and he got fired for couldn't keep his own mouth shut!?

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#75 abuabed
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Sony needs to make sure that it won't be pirated as the original PSP did, they'd guarantee better software support.
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#76 mysterj
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I don't actually understand the part about the engineer. Is he now "ex-" because he's dead!? Or is it just a joke and he got fired for couldn't keep his own mouth shut!?

Kleeyook
The engineer got fired apparently, the author's got some pretty good sense of dark humor.
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#77 CAPSROGUE
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I don't actually understand the part about the engineer. Is he now "ex-" because he's dead!? Or is it just a joke and he got fired for couldn't keep his own mouth shut!?

Kleeyook

Fired.

After some more searching I found out Notion Ink's Adam (Tablet), which uses Tegra 2, is suffering from delays aswell due to the same reasons.

http://gizmodo.com/5507277/notion-ink-adam-delayed-by-tegra-2-issues

http://www.slashgear.com/tegra-2-serious-issues-delaying-notion-ink-icd-compal-tablets-0179993/

http://www.intomobile.com/2010/04/01/notion-inks-adam-other-tablets-delayed-due-to-nvidia-tegra-2-issues/

So it seems there are indeed problems with the chip, but I doubt this news will convince too many of you because it looks like most of you already made up your mind already. Here's a quote that says it all, imo.

"Whether George is just peeved at (apparently) having been rendered redundant, or whether Charlie is on to something - and in our experience he usually is - time will tell." -http://www.thinq.co.uk/2010/7/15/tegra-2-delays-holding-ups-sonys-psps-report/

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#78 racing1750
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Would love to see what this is capable of...
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#79 deactivated-66e3137ab3ad5
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No matter, it'll fail anyway. Why? 3DS.
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#80 HuusAsking
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wait a minute.....isn't the 3DS using the Tegra 2 as well?

LegatoSkyheart

Nope. Nintendo went out with it at E3. They're using a different SoC design called the PICA200.

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#81 iowastate
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Apparently one of nVidia's (now ex-)engineers couldn't keep his mouth shut.

Sony PSP2 powered by nVidia's Tegra Line

The article is rather negative but this is because the writer is a little baised towards nVidia, sometimes he's right: bumpgate issue (dying 8000 series cards), GF100 (GTX4xx series) but sometimes he's wrong: GTX460.

Now, what exactly does that mean because knowing that it's going to use Tegra 2 doesn't bring us one step closer to understanding how well it'll perform. Well, that's what these VIDs is for.

nVidia Tegra 2 Game Demo ___Full Website Mode (Recommended)

The VID below contains alot of talking about the non-gaming parts of the chip but also a much shorter and (much more important) much clearer shot of the Game demo.

Entire Tegra 2 Coverage ___Full Website Mode (Recommended)

Quite impressive I'd say. It can push 90 milliontriangles/sec, which is double/triple that of N3DS' Pica200 which hovers between 30-40 million triangles/sec (conflicting data sheets) ontop of certain techniques the Pica200 doesn't even have. Im' pretty sure it can look quite a bit better because the footage is running at 720p, 4xAA at 60FPS, which just overkill on a small screen.

Here's a picture of it. It's quite large so I hope Sony actually manages to stay within the power envelope but so far it looks very promising.

/discuss

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this is an ex emplyees blogspot blog that is his opinion but as you said "sometimes he is right?

how does the word "confirmed" apply to what a former employee says in a blog so name something he has been right about and why we should believe this ...nut.

other than the negatives which seem to outweigh the positives as indicated by Teufelhuhn.

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#82 gamerfan85
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This is sweet news. Also, it sounds like 3G coverage might be getting crammed in there too. PSP2 is going to be deliciously insane.

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#83 ThePlothole
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[QUOTE="LegatoSkyheart"]

wait a minute.....isn't the 3DS using the Tegra 2 as well?

HuusAsking

Nope. Nintendo went out with it at E3. They're using a different SoC design called the PICA200.

Actually PICA200 is just a graphics core. It would be integrated into a SoC.

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#84 King_Dodongo
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I'm already saving for the 3DS, so unless this has more games than modnation racers and god of war, ( and BC) I'll pass.
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#85 the2gamer
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As long as the PSP2 has MIPS architexture to allow PS2 B/C.. im fine
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#86 RogueShodown
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unless sony drops an H bomb on us when they show off the psp 2 i wont buy it. When i mean H Bomb i don`t just mean high end graphics with a touch screen . witch i am pretty sure they will copy ds.

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Having a touch screen and 3D doesn't mean they're copying the DS... Many smart phones these days have touch screens, and Sony is really pushing 3D for PS3, so it would only be natural to have it in the PSP2.
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#87 VendettaRed07
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Unless the PSP2 has dual analog sticks, I still won't really care about it unless it has much better 3rd party support than psp did

Diviniuz

Honestly If i was like head of sony, I wouldnt put dual analogs on it just to piss everyone off lol.. Cause at this point if they dont do it its like, almost funny

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#88 quijeros
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As soon as I saw nVidia and the first URL, I knew who was going to be ranting. Seriously, I almost think that this guy gets paid by AMD to talk trash about nVidia (not meant as a jab at AMD, but he's just so biased it's irritating).

I guess this is good news, but until it's confirmed by a more credible source, then I'm taking it with a grain of salt.

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#89 Darth_DuMas
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For some reason, I thought the PSP2 would be using the PowerVR GPU.

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#90 magnax1
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I thought that the PSP had a lot more good games then the DS.

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#91 Gxgear
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[QUOTE="ShadowriverUB"]

[QUOTE="WhenCicadasCry"]When will Sony learn. The 3DS is going to bury the PSP2.789shadow

If you mean "bury" like DS "buried" PSP, then i don't see issue. PSP is sucessful product

The DS has sold hundreds of millions of units. The PSP is succesful.....if you take the DS out of the equation.

Why are people still in denial that PSP is a great first generation handheld that did extremely well? No matter how well the DS does it still can't take away the 60 million PSP units sold...it's not a simple add and subtract math equation.

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#92 ThePlothole
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Why are people still in denial that PSP is a great first generation handheld that did extremely well? No matter how well the DS does it still can't take away the 60 million PSP units sold...it's not a simple add and subtract math equation.

Gxgear

Sony knocked Nintendo out of the park with its first generation home console. Everyone expected the PSP to do the same in the handheld market. Ultimately it did fail to live up to those expectations.

Also the PSP's general game sales just aren't spectacular outside of Japan.

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#93 SapSacPrime
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How is this confirmation of anything? Ill wait for something more official I think.

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#94 trasherhead
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Unless the PSP2 has dual analog sticks, I still won't really care about it unless it has much better 3rd party support than psp did

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Signed! Unless they get that one right then its just a waste. Should make it a little better to hold too.
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[QUOTE="trasherhead"][QUOTE="Diviniuz"]

Unless the PSP2 has dual analog sticks, I still won't really care about it unless it has much better 3rd party support than psp did

Signed! Unless they get that one right then its just a waste. Should make it a little better to hold too.

I'd like to see a full dualshock controller crammed onto the thing so i can use remote play on every game, if it was the 3G enabled too...
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#96 TheShadowLord07
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This is sweet news. Also, it sounds like 3G coverage might be getting crammed in there too. PSP2 is going to be deliciously insane.

gamerfan85

would the psp go up in price if it has 3G in it?

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#97 ThePlothole
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I'd like to see a full dualshock controller crammed onto the thing so i can use remote play on every game, if it was the 3G enabled too...hoosier7

The last time I tried remote play it was laggy to the point of making most games unplayable anyway.

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[QUOTE="hoosier7"]I'd like to see a full dualshock controller crammed onto the thing so i can use remote play on every game, if it was the 3G enabled too...ThePlothole

The last time I tried remote play it was laggy to the point of making most games unplayable anyway.

Really, worked fine for me just seemed to take an age to open up music files
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#99 Kane04
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I like to see how Sony is sticking with the "powerhouse" approach even after PS3 vs Wii sales Honestly i've been a Sony fanboy for years but i don't see this working. The PSP was a power house too when it was released but sales against its weaker competitor end up the way they did. And while i'm at it, nVidia is known to release drivers for their graphic cards that actually improve the performance considerably, why haven't we've seen something like it for the PS3 since they did it on the PSP?
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#100 ShadowriverUB
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I like to see how Sony is sticking with the "powerhouse" approach even after PS3 vs Wii sales Honestly i've been a Sony fanboy for years but i don't see this working. The PSP was a power house too when it was released but sales against its weaker competitor end up the way they did. And while i'm at it, nVidia is known to release drivers for their graphic cards that actually improve the performance considerably, why haven't we've seen something like it for the PS3 since they did it on the PSP?Kane04

They might do it when you update your firmware, but we don't notice it :) besides you can't do much with just optimizing drivers