History Indicates The Wii U Will Be Impressive Graphically

A true sheep doesn't care about graphics. 720p and no AA should be enough for WiiU. Looking how much money they've made, i don't expect anything close to be as powerful as 360 was in 05 or ps3 in 06. Probably will be released with another useless gimmick only fanboys will brag about and the rest just laugh at.silversix_

[QUOTE="silversix_"]A true sheep doesn't care about graphics. 720p and no AA should be enough for WiiU. Looking how much money they've made, i don't expect anything close to be as powerful as 360 was in 05 or ps3 in 06. Probably will be released with another useless gimmick only fanboys will brag about and the rest just laugh at.93BlackHawk93

[QUOTE="93BlackHawk93"]

[QUOTE="silversix_"]A true sheep doesn't care about graphics. 720p and no AA should be enough for WiiU. Looking how much money they've made, i don't expect anything close to be as powerful as 360 was in 05 or ps3 in 06. Probably will be released with another useless gimmick only fanboys will brag about and the rest just laugh at.silversix_

[QUOTE="93BlackHawk93"]

[QUOTE="silversix_"]A true sheep doesn't care about graphics. 720p and no AA should be enough for WiiU. Looking how much money they've made, i don't expect anything close to be as powerful as 360 was in 05 or ps3 in 06. Probably will be released with another useless gimmick only fanboys will brag about and the rest just laugh at.silversix_

its a gimped 4850 with 2 screens and only 512 mbs of ram for the cpu. Will be teh weak at best.

dontshackzmii

Well considering what the specs are and how good that tech demo looked, it's safe to say that no game will hit that level of graphical fidelity on the Wii U.

You also have to remember that the demo had absolutly no gameplay and was in a tight, controlled room.

Wasdie

It depends if the Wii U's tech demo uses specfic RV740/RV770 features. AMD Radeon HD 4670 has features not use in mainstream PC games i.e. features between DX10.1 and DX11.

[QUOTE="Jikayaki"]

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

Well considering what the specs are and how good that tech demo looked, it's safe to say that no game will hit that level of graphical fidelity on the Wii U.

You also have to remember that the demo had absolutly no gameplay and was in a tight, controlled room.

loosingENDS

We have absolutely no idea what the specs of the Wii U are thus its impossible to say what Devs will and will not be able to pull out of the console. From rumors where looking at something 3x and 5x times the capability of current HD hardware. I don't see how fidelity equal to that Zelda demo will be impossible unless the final specs greatly under perform. There have been enough positive comments for individuals to cautiously optimistic regarding the Wii U's graphical capabilities. The next Xbox and PS are more than likely going to be noticeably more powerful, but that doesn't stop Wii U being more than a modest step forward in hardware.

Rumors are just rumors, there are many things to consider though

1. Wii had hardware far behind its time of release, i mean far far behind, so WiiU could essentailly have the same logic behind it

2. A screen pad is super expensive and to have a nice market price so they dont scare customers away would mean that they would probably have to use low PC hardware, up to mid range at best case

3. Not all PC hardware is strong today, there is still hardware that wont run Withcer 2 or Crysis 1-2 as good as xbox 360, mainly the low end video cards

So, until Nintendo comes up with price and final specs, i cant really say WiiU will actually be 3-5x more powerfull and TBH beeing 3-x more powerfull in a PC era that video cards are 10-15x more powerfull than consoles is not exactly a huge achievement and the impact in games may not be as big as believed

1. For Wii U's tech demos at 720p, I estimate atleast Radeon HD 4670 (320 SP) would be needed i.e. RV730 type GPU core. Radeon HD 4670 delivers similar compute power as ex-flagship Radeon HD 2900/3870 GPUs. AMD Radeon HD 2900/3870 kills AMD Xenos.

3. PC minority can still out number Xbox 360 or PS3 annual unit sales.

Battlefield 3 PC Beta on AMD Radeon HD HD 4670 High Settings 1280x720 + fps around 30-40 w/o recording

Crysis 2 PC, Resolution 1400x900, Very High on Radeon HD 4670 1GB GDDR3

AMD Radeon HD 46X0 is the first GPU core in Radeon HD 4xx0 family to exceed AMD Xenos's performance.

[QUOTE="93BlackHawk93"]

[QUOTE="silversix_"]A true sheep doesn't care about graphics. 720p and no AA should be enough for WiiU. Looking how much money they've made, i don't expect anything close to be as powerful as 360 was in 05 or ps3 in 06. Probably will be released with another useless gimmick only fanboys will brag about and the rest just laugh at.silversix_

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="Supabul"]

This has to be my most anticipated console ever, I can't wait to see what Nintendo can do with proper Next-gen tech.

Inconsistancy

"Next-gen" tech? You mean 2006 hardware being released in 2012. Nothing next gen about it. The tech demos were about as good as Sony and Microsoft's back in 2005.

AMD Radeon HD 4000 series's VLIW5 stream processor design are still in use in AMD Radeon HD 6000 series i.e. the last VLIW5 stream processor powered Radeon HD is AMD Radeon HD 6870 X2.

One of the big differences between Radeon HD 5000 series and Radeon HD 4000 series is with full DX11.0 support, split Z-ROP/Color ROP design** and improved OpenCL support. **Improving raster operation performance.

AMD Radeon HD 6870 X2's proves VLIW5 based architecture can still rival the recent PC GPU flagships i.e. still delivers competitive performance per chip area size.

AMD Radeon HD 4670 (320 SP) with latest GDDR5 would improvedit's performance i.e. compared Radeon HD 5730M (400 SP)GDDR3vs Radeon HD 5770M(400 SP)/6570M (400SP)GDDR5 performance boost.

[QUOTE="Jikayaki"]

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

Well considering what the specs are and how good that tech demo looked, it's safe to say that no game will hit that level of graphical fidelity on the Wii U.

You also have to remember that the demo had absolutly no gameplay and was in a tight, controlled room.

loosingENDS

We have absolutely no idea what the specs of the Wii U are thus its impossible to say what Devs will and will not be able to pull out of the console. From rumors where looking at something 3x and 5x times the capability of current HD hardware. I don't see how fidelity equal to that Zelda demo will be impossible unless the final specs greatly under perform. There have been enough positive comments for individuals to cautiously optimistic regarding the Wii U's graphical capabilities. The next Xbox and PS are more than likely going to be noticeably more powerful, but that doesn't stop Wii U being more than a modest step forward in hardware.

Rumors are just rumors, there are many things to consider though

1. Wii had hardware far behind its time of release, i mean far far behind, so WiiU could essentailly have the same logic behind it

2. A screen pad is super expensive and to have a nice market price so they dont scare customers away would mean that they would probably have to use low PC hardware, up to mid range at best case

3. Not all PC hardware is strong today, there is still hardware that wont run Withcer 2 or Crysis 1-2 as good as xbox 360, mainly the low end video cards

So, until Nintendo comes up with price and final specs, i cant really say WiiU will actually be 3-5x more powerfull and TBH beeing 3-x more powerfull in a PC era that video cards are 10-15x more powerfull than consoles is not exactly a huge achievement and the impact in games may not be as big as believed

Of course rumors are rumors that's why I said its ok to be cautiously optimistic not willy nilly in regards to the WiiU's capabilities. That said from supposed leaks to majority of the hardware rumors in general all point to the alpha and perhaps second gen dev hardware all having a GPU within the 4000 series of GPUs within a specific range. There has been too much consistency to merely ignore.

1. Statements from Nintendo make me think they regret many of their choices regarding the Wii's hardware. They certainly don't regret not jumping into the deep end with Microsoft and Sony, but I do believe they think having more comparable hardware in features would of afforded them better support.

2. From all accounts I've found the tablet controller likely isn't super expensive. Its likely mostly a dump terminal with majority of the costs coming from the touch screen and the battery. There's a lot of vagueness regarding the patent, but I doubt it will end up costing much more than $50 to manufacture if that. Considerably more than your average controller's manufacturing cost, but when you understand that the WiiU has no internal hard drive like its competition will it likely more than evens out.

3. Certainly not all PC hardware is outragesly strong today. I'm running my computer merely using my motherboard's integrated card since my power supple went out and its no where near as capable as a xbox 360. Still hardware has progressed and the price to Nintendo to utilize significently more powerful than PS360 hardware isn't overly expensive. Really nothing regarding current rumors even on the high end is expensive.

[QUOTE="Inconsistancy"][QUOTE="Wasdie"]

"Next-gen" tech? You mean 2006 hardware being released in 2012. Nothing next gen about it. The tech demos were about as good as Sony and Microsoft's back in 2005.

ronvalencia

AMD Radeon HD 4000 series's VLIW5 stream processor design are still in use in AMD Radeon HD 6000 series i.e. the last VLIW5 stream processor powered Radeon HD is AMD Radeon HD 6870 X2.

One of the big differences between Radeon HD 5000 series and Radeon HD 4000 series is with full DX11.0 support, split Z-ROP/Color ROP design** and improved OpenCL support. **Improving raster operation performance.

AMD Radeon HD 6870 X2's proves VLIW5 based architecture can still rival the recent PC GPU flagships i.e. still delivers competitive performance per chip area size.

AMD Radeon HD 4670 (320 SP) with latest GDDR5 would improvedit's performance i.e. compared Radeon HD 5730M (400 SP)GDDR3vs Radeon HD 5770M(400 SP)/6570M (400SP)GDDR5 performance boost.

I have a ATI Radeon HD 5400 series, and Withcer 2 only run on low and 1024x768 setting in playable form, while it runs 720p and medium/high mixed setting on 360

Crysis 1 barely run at all smoothly on my PC too

Somehow i think xbox 360 GPU is still way stronger than my desktop GPU, and i got it less than a year back

I have a ATI Radeon HD 5400 series, and Withcer 2 only run on low and 1024x768 setting in playable form, while it runs 720p and medium/high mixed setting on 360

Crysis 1 barely run at all smoothly on my PC too

Somehow i think xbox 360 GPU is still way stronger than my desktop GPU, and i got it less than a year back

loosingENDS

You have a video card meant for basic HD video decoding and minor 3d acceleration. Of course it sucks.

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I have a ATI Radeon HD 5400 series, and Withcer 2 only run on low and 1024x768 setting in playable form, while it runs 720p and medium/high mixed setting on 360

Crysis 1 barely run at all smoothly on my PC too

Somehow i think xbox 360 GPU is still way stronger than my desktop GPU, and i got it less than a year back

ChubbyGuy40

You have a video card meant for basic HD video decoding and minor 3d acceleration. Of course it sucks.

But that was my initial point, no matter how new the hardware, it can still suck comparing to older consoles

But that was my initial point, no matter how new the hardware, it can still suck comparing to older consoles

loosingENDS

Uh...yeah. That's what happens when you buy weaker hardware.

I have a ATI Radeon HD 5400 series, and Withcer 2 only run on low and 1024x768 setting in playable form, while it runs 720p and medium/high mixed setting on 360

Crysis 1 barely run at all smoothly on my PC too

Somehow i think xbox 360 GPU is still way stronger than my desktop GPU, and i got it less than a year back

loosingENDS

Umm no, you do know those tech demos were purposely devd bad, so the real game would look good? The WIi Us zelda tech demo, was for once deved well, so future games wont even look as good as it. If you want graphics, buy a Sony system, if you want gameplay, by a sony system, if you want kiddie, gimmicks, and boring by a nintendo system.CakeMan444

If you want graphics, you buy PC. If you want fun, you buy Nintendo. If you want to be hip and watch Blu-Rays, buy Sony. If you wanna be a bro and play with 13 year olds, you buy Microsoft.

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

[QUOTE="Inconsistancy"] Thought WiiU's rumor was the 4000 series ATi/AMD.. 2008 tech :D! loosingENDS

AMD Radeon HD 4000 series's VLIW5 stream processor design are still in use in AMD Radeon HD 6000 series i.e. the last VLIW5 stream processor powered Radeon HD is AMD Radeon HD 6870 X2.

One of the big differences between Radeon HD 5000 series and Radeon HD 4000 series is with full DX11.0 support, split Z-ROP/Color ROP design** and improved OpenCL support. **Improving raster operation performance.

AMD Radeon HD 6870 X2's proves VLIW5 based architecture can still rival the recent PC GPU flagships i.e. still delivers competitive performance per chip area size.

AMD Radeon HD 4670 (320 SP) with latest GDDR5 would improvedit's performance i.e. compared Radeon HD 5730M (400 SP)GDDR3vs Radeon HD 5770M(400 SP)/6570M (400SP)GDDR5 performance boost.

I have a ATI Radeon HD 5400 series, and Withcer 2 only run on low and 1024x768 setting in playable form, while it runs 720p and medium/high mixed setting on 360

Crysis 1 barely run at all smoothly on my PC too

Somehow i think xbox 360 GPU is still way stronger than my desktop GPU, and i got it less than a year back

AMD Radeon HD 5450 only has 80 (16 VLIW5) stream processors while AMD Radeon HD 4670 has 320 (64 VLIW5) stream processors @ 750 Mhz to 850 Mhz.

Btw, AMD Radeon HD 5550 has 320 (64 VLIW5) stream processors.

In terms of 32bit data processing, AMD Xenos is like 240 stream processor enabled Radeon HD @500 Mhz. This is like the low end AMD A4 Llano APU's 240 stream processor enabled Radeon HD IGP.

PS; My old card was Radeon HD 4650M @ 550Mhz.

On AMD based desktop PC, the baseline PC would be AMD A4 (with 240 SP)to A8 (with 400 SP) Fusion based PC i.e. AMD has since move away from Radeon HD 5450 on the desktop PC.

PS; Radeon HD 5450 GPU design was recycled for netbook/tablet targets i.e. Radeon HD 6250M GPU. Refer to my Acer Iconia tablet as an example. Radeon HD 6250M GPU targets PowerVR e.g. Intel GMA 600 IGP or Sony Vita''s quad PowerVR solution.

[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]I have a ATI Radeon HD 5400 series, and Withcer 2 only run on low and 1024x768 setting in playable form, while it runs 720p and medium/high mixed setting on 360

Crysis 1 barely run at all smoothly on my PC too

Somehow i think xbox 360 GPU is still way stronger than my desktop GPU, and i got it less than a year back

Inconsistancy

Radeon HD 5450 gets blown away by AMD A4-33x0MX's Radeon HD IGP (with 240 stream processors).

Radeon HD 5450 was designed for low profile MPCs i.e. bluy-ray player/youtube HD PCs with very lite 3D gaming..

The problem with WiiU is not the grapics imo, it is the "innovation" they used this time to drive sales, i definatly hate the idea of playing holding a tablet in my hands

I dont even believe yet people have actually come up with such an idea, taking 1000 steps down in game controls and making gaming on consoles the most akward thing on earth

Maybe i will have to return to PC if all consoles make me hold a tablet to play games

Also selling a big tablet and screen with a console would make the hardware inside cheaper and weaker so they can have a reasonable price on the market, i think they did a terrible move with this one

Yet i am sure the novelty will make them come first in sales once more, but between Wii game lineup and WiiU tablet pad, Nintendo has lost me as a customer, i am definatly less inclined to buy their systems now and will hold back on a WiiU until a Zelda arrives in 3-4 years, hopefully they will have a pad option by then

loosingENDS

its a gimped 4850 with 2 screens and only 512 mbs of ram for the cpu. Will be teh weak at best.

dontshackzmii

[QUOTE="dontshackzmii"]

its a gimped 4850 with 2 screens and only 512 mbs of ram for the cpu. Will be teh weak at best.

04dcarraher

you just proved you don't know hardware. Why would a Nintendo console be direct x based? is it running windows? Its a custom gpu for a console! also 512 ram is nothing these days. your telling me after 6 years this is all they could do?

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[QUOTE="dontshackzmii"]

its a gimped 4850 with 2 screens and only 512 mbs of ram for the cpu. Will be teh weak at best.

dontshackzmii

you just proved you don't know hardware. Why would a Nintendo console be direct x based? is it running windows? Its a custom gpu for a console! also 512 ram is nothing these days. your telling me after 6 years this is all they could do?

You missed the part about the video RAM. By his "specs," it would have 1.5GB total RAM, which is decent.

The Wii U will be a mid generation console... much better than the current but not as good as PS4/720. What worries me is:

1. will developers just port 360/PS3 games to it?... Probably
2. will exclusives utilize its full power or will they keep making cooking mama and wii sports?... Leaning towards gimmicky games
3. will third party developers go all out and create a new IP worth playing for the console a year before PS4/720 come out?... Probably not

I'm looking forward to what they will show at E3... fingers crossed they have something better than Killer freaks(image below).

The Wii U will be a mid generation console... much better than the current but not as good as PS4/720. What worries me is:

1. will developers just port 360/PS3 games to it?... Probably
2. will exclusives utilize its full power or will they keep making cooking mama and wii sports?... Leaning towards gimmicky games
3. will third party developers go all out and create a new IP worth playing for the console a year before PS4/720 come out?... Probably not

I'm looking forward to what they will show at E3... fingers crossed they have something better than Killer freaks(image below).

Grey_Eyed_Elf

Lets hope nintendo puts some of their resources into online infrastructue instead of company yachts. *Looks at 3ds* Seems unlikely.

Wii: U will only be SLIGHTLY better than the PS3 and the 360.
Havent they mentioned, "dont expect anything spectacular"
Even PS3 and 360 are getting old in terms of hardware.

I doubt Wii: U will look better than Crysis. Let alone Ultra res Cysis.

Nintendo don't care about graphics ie. Realsim, its not their strong point, never was.
They even say themselves, theyre not here to compete when it comes to tech and hardware.

N64 days were different, Nintendo was truly awesome back then.

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[QUOTE="dontshackzmii"]

its a gimped 4850 with 2 screens and only 512 mbs of ram for the cpu. Will be teh weak at best.

dontshackzmii

you just proved you don't know hardware. Why would a Nintendo console be direct x based? is it running windows? Its a custom gpu for a console! also 512 ram is nothing these days. your telling me after 6 years this is all they could do?

Wii: U will only be SLIGHTLY better than the PS3 and the 360.
Havent they mentioned, "dont expect anything spectacular"
Even PS3 and 360 are getting old in terms of hardware.

I doubt Wii: U will look better than Crysis. Let alone Ultra res Cysis.

Nintendo don't care about graphics ie. Realsim, its not their strong point, never was.
They even say themselves, theyre not here to compete when it comes to tech and hardware.

N64 days were different, Nintendo was truly awesome back then.

g0ddyX

N64 was the last time I fully supported Nintendo. Loved that system. My like for them decreased with the Gamecube and then the Wii happened. Sold it after Brawl disappointed me and I don't regret it. Hoping the Wii U brings me back. As of right now I will skip it and wait for either the PS4 or Nextbox. I don't trust Nintendo when it comes to online gaming and I want to see how devs treat the Wii-U when the stronger systems come out.

impressive for about a year ...

and then the HDTwins 2.0 will make it irrelevant graphically once again.

The Wii U will be a mid generation console... much better than the current but not as good as PS4/720. What worries me is:

1. will developers just port 360/PS3 games to it?... Probably
2. will exclusives utilize its full power or will they keep making cooking mama and wii sports?... Leaning towards gimmicky games
3. will third party developers go all out and create a new IP worth playing for the console a year before PS4/720 come out?... Probably not

I'm looking forward to what they will show at E3... fingers crossed they have something better than Killer freaks(image below).

Grey_Eyed_Elf

im betting devs will make multiplats for all the systems im pretty sure the graphics of the next 3 consoles will be mildly smaller

i seriously cannot wait when the nex xbox and ps arent that strong that people thought

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"]

[QUOTE="dontshackzmii"]

its a gimped 4850 with 2 screens and only 512 mbs of ram for the cpu. Will be teh weak at best.

dontshackzmii

you just proved you don't know hardware. Why would a Nintendo console be direct x based? is it running windows? Its a custom gpu for a console! also 512 ram is nothing these days. your telling me after 6 years this is all they could do?

I hope so. I wasn't impressed with the Tech Demos at E3 expect for the Zelda one. They should add a 20+ GB and a strong processor which blows the rest of their graphics away, also no more shovel ware.

HaloPimp978

Shovelware is a creation of third parties who put that stuff on the most successful console every generation. The PS2 had TONS of shovel ware.

You know what I'm sick of reading?

"Wii U will be barely more powerful than the 360/PS3. NextBox, PS4 is going to blow it out of the water lol"

Where are you getting ANY of your info. It's ignorant, wrong, biased...and it's annoying to read. So stop. Seriously.

You know what I'm sick of reading?

"Wii U will be barely more powerful than the 360/PS3. NextBox, PS4 is going to blow it out of the water lol"

Where are you getting ANY of your info. It's ignorant, wrong, biased...and it's annoying to read. So stop. Seriously.

Cheese-Muffins

You know what I'm sick of reading?

"Wii U will be barely more powerful than the 360/PS3. NextBox, PS4 is going to blow it out of the water lol"

Where are you getting ANY of your info. It's ignorant, wrong, biased...and it's annoying to read. So stop. Seriously.

Cheese-Muffins

Our only info is that the WiiU is getting the same games as 360 and PS3. THat's my only info right now. I don't have any next gen awesome games to hype, so why be excited? If the WiiU is gonna be so powerful, the Ninty should have shown off a few crazy new next gen games rather then meh tech demos and current gen games :? What else are we supposed to think...locopatho

Indeed, the only real game shown was Killer Freaks, which does not look even close to the best 360 or PS3 games

[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

The problem with WiiU is not the grapics imo, it is the "innovation" they used this time to drive sales, i definatly hate the idea of playing holding a tablet in my hands

I dont even believe yet people have actually come up with such an idea, taking 1000 steps down in game controls and making gaming on consoles the most akward thing on earth

Maybe i will have to return to PC if all consoles make me hold a tablet to play games

Also selling a big tablet and screen with a console would make the hardware inside cheaper and weaker so they can have a reasonable price on the market, i think they did a terrible move with this one

Yet i am sure the novelty will make them come first in sales once more, but between Wii game lineup and WiiU tablet pad, Nintendo has lost me as a customer, i am definatly less inclined to buy their systems now and will hold back on a WiiU until a Zelda arrives in 3-4 years, hopefully they will have a pad option by then

GunSmith1_basic

I dont know, i just cant picture me holding this tablet and playing games normally, same for taking eyes off the game everytime i need to select a power or item, on screen menus is still way better imo

I find the whole idea extremely akward TBH and a big step back from even normal pad controls

[QUOTE="Cheese-Muffins"]

You know what I'm sick of reading?

"Wii U will be barely more powerful than the 360/PS3. NextBox, PS4 is going to blow it out of the water lol"

Where are you getting ANY of your info. It's ignorant, wrong, biased...and it's annoying to read. So stop. Seriously.

locopatho

Our only info is what certain people are saying who have access to the actual dev kits. And from that, we know that it will be more powerful than both. We also have rumored reports about Nextbox using an APU. We also have what is known as common sense to be able to realize that the tech in PS4/Nextbox cannot be vastly greater than the Wii U anyway.

Why be excited? It's Nintendo. They are the leader in hardware innovation, in my books, and the makers of the best games in the industry. Couple that with their appeal to 3rd parties and the aforementioned tech rumors about the other consoles, and the Wii U should be on track to be able to receive any 3rd party game coming out within the next 5 years.

[QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="Cheese-Muffins"]

You know what I'm sick of reading?

"Wii U will be barely more powerful than the 360/PS3. NextBox, PS4 is going to blow it out of the water lol"

Where are you getting ANY of your info. It's ignorant, wrong, biased...and it's annoying to read. So stop. Seriously.

Cheese-Muffins

Our only info is what certain people are saying who have access to the actual dev kits. And from that, we know that it will be more powerful than both. We also have rumored reports about Nextbox using an APU. We also have what is known as common sense to be able to realize that the tech in PS4/Nextbox cannot be vastly greater than the Wii U anyway.

Why be excited? It's Nintendo. They are the leader in console innovation, in my books, and the makers of the best games in the industry. Couple that with their appeal to 3rd parties and the aforementioned tech rumors about the other consoles, and the Wii U should be on track to be able to receive any 3rd party game coming out within the next 5 years.

[QUOTE="Cheese-Muffins"]

[QUOTE="locopatho"] Our only info is that the WiiU is getting the same games as 360 and PS3. THat's my only info right now. I don't have any next gen awesome games to hype, so why be excited? If the WiiU is gonna be so powerful, the Ninty should have shown off a few crazy new next gen games rather then meh tech demos and current gen games :? What else are we supposed to think...locopatho

Our only info is what certain people are saying who have access to the actual dev kits. And from that, we know that it will be more powerful than both. We also have rumored reports about Nextbox using an APU. We also have what is known as common sense to be able to realize that the tech in PS4/Nextbox cannot be vastly greater than the Wii U anyway.

Why be excited? It's Nintendo. They are the leader in console innovation, in my books, and the makers of the best games in the industry. Couple that with their appeal to 3rd parties and the aforementioned tech rumors about the other consoles, and the Wii U should be on track to be able to receive any 3rd party game coming out within the next 5 years.

I'm berating people for making BASELESS assumptions that have conflicted with every report and info we have. As you can clearly see, my assumptions are reasonable and level-headed about how I feel what will happen. And I said it should be able to receive them, not that it will. But the fact that the possibility exists is reason to be excited considering the Wii didn't even have that going for it.

But you really think many 3rd party devs are going to make many exclusives on Wii U right off the bat? Of course not. It will most likely be getting many ports from the 360/PS3 just like the 360 did when it came out in 2005.

[QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="Cheese-Muffins"]

Our only info is what certain people are saying who have access to the actual dev kits. And from that, we know that it will be more powerful than both. We also have rumored reports about Nextbox using an APU. We also have what is known as common sense to be able to realize that the tech in PS4/Nextbox cannot be vastly greater than the Wii U anyway.

Why be excited? It's Nintendo. They are the leader in console innovation, in my books, and the makers of the best games in the industry. Couple that with their appeal to 3rd parties and the aforementioned tech rumors about the other consoles, and the Wii U should be on track to be able to receive any 3rd party game coming out within the next 5 years.

Cheese-Muffins

I'm berating people for making BASELESS assumptions. As you can clearly see, my assumptions are reasonable about how I feel what will happen. And I said it should be able to receive them, not that it will. But the fact that the possibility exists is reason to be excited considering the Wii didn;t even have that going for it.

But you really think many 3rd party devs are going to make many exclusives on Wii U right off the bat? Of course not. It will most likely be getting many ports from the 360/PS3 just like the 350 did when it came out in 2005.

[QUOTE="Cheese-Muffins"]

You know what I'm sick of reading?

"Wii U will be barely more powerful than the 360/PS3. NextBox, PS4 is going to blow it out of the water lol"

Where are you getting ANY of your info. It's ignorant, wrong, biased...and it's annoying to read. So stop. Seriously.

Grey_Eyed_Elf

Oh come on Nintendo was competetive with their competition before the Wii on the console space. The Wii was the first console from Nintendo significantly behind the competition. There is no historical precidence for Nintendo consoles to be weaker than their competition before the Wii.

I don't think any one honestly thinks WiiU will be as powerful as PS4/720. How it will compare depends on a number of factors we can't predict. Whether or not Sony and Microsoft will continue the loss leader method of hardware developement being the primary factor. When you factor in the costs of hard drives and secondary controllers, if PS4/720 launch with Move/Kinect, there exists a chance that PS4/720 won't be significantly more powerful if created to costs.

Then there is that product listing for Microsoft, which to my knowledge hasn't been debunked yet, which in my opinion points to Microsoft pushing for the Kinect crowd next gen including an update to the Kinect in 2014. The Kinect crowd is very much the same crowd interested in the Wii and would mean a very specific cost range for the console way below what it would take to significantly out perform the Wii U.

A true sheep doesn't care about graphics. 720p and no AA should be enough for WiiU. Looking how much money they've made, i don't expect anything close to be as powerful as 360 was in 05 or ps3 in 06.silversix_

If it was weaker than the 360 and PS3 that would be pretty shameful since handhelds and mobile phones are getting there :P

Here is the problem. I am a lifelong Nintendo fan. I've owned every Nintendo console. However, there were only maybe 2 games for N64 and GC that I felt looked better than the average PS1/PS2 game. Most of the games looked worse than competing consoles in my opinion. I know the hardcore Nintendo fans will hate me for saying that, but it is true.

That is the "history" you are pointing to in order to prove Wii U awesome graphics?Meanwhile you talk about tech demos. Have you seen the tech demos Nintendo has shown thus far for the WiiU? Mini game collections and Wii sports type titles that look barely any better than thesame terrible content that plagued the Wii. Zelda HD looked good, but certainly not better thangames like Gears 3 or Uncharted 3.And if "history" indicates anything, it will be that most games look terrible and only a tiny handful actually bother to push the console graphically.

Our only info is what certain people are saying who have access to the actual dev kits. And from that, we know that it will be more powerful than both. We also have rumored reports about Nextbox using an APU. We also have what is known as common sense to be able to realize that the tech in PS4/Nextbox cannot be vastly greater than the Wii U anyway.

Why be excited? It's Nintendo. They are the leader in hardware innovation, in my books, and the makers of the best games in the industry. Couple that with their appeal to 3rd parties and the aforementioned tech rumors about the other consoles, and the Wii U should be on track to be able to receive any 3rd party game coming out within the next 5 years.

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What Dev has ever said the Wii U is more powerful than the PS3/360? You got a link to back that up?

The rest of what you are saying makes zero sense and is little more than baseless assumptions that ignore Nintendo's history and just fuel Wii fanboy's hopes.