How are PC's a generation ahead exactly?

The only advantage PCs have over consoles is graphics and even that isn't a generation ahead, it's not the leap from PS2 to PS3 at the moment, hermits are too ecstatic over it. What about gameplay, sound, animations? I have yet to see a PC game match a game like Killzone 3 or Uncharted 2 in sound/animation.

Let's not get ahead of ourselves here.

The only advantage PCs have over consoles is graphics and even that isn't a generation ahead, it's not the leap from PS2 to PS3 at the moment, hermits are to ecstatic over it. What about gameplay, sound, animations? I have yet to see a PC game match a game like Killzone 3 or Uncharted 2 in sound/animation.

Let's not get ahead of ourselves here.

Blazerdt47

Umm, BC2 already has better sound than Uncharted 2 or Killzone 3 and it's not even an exclusive.DragonfireXZ95

I'm not saying exclusives, those are just two that come to mind and Killzone 3 has incredible sounds, BC2 is good but not as good.

Umm, BC2 already has better sound than Uncharted 2 or Killzone 3 and it's not even an exclusive.DragonfireXZ95

what are you talking about? music or sound quality? either way that's wrong.

I think the gap will be more apparent when BF3 comes out.

The hardware is a generation ahead. This is what we mean. The fact few games take advatage of this fact doesn't change it.

anyways, the actual power of the pc's best parts - the gtx 580 and the new sandy bridge cpu's are a generation ahead technically, but the actual results of the pc platform are not a generation ahead. I'd say a game like metro 2033 maxed out at 1080p is about 3/4 of a generation ahead.

Umm, BC2 already has better sound than Uncharted 2 or Killzone 3 and it's not even an exclusive.DragonfireXZ95

ROFL. UC2 has LCPM 7.1. that is Lossless audio right there. it means that the sound quality is akin to a live orchestra playing in front of you if you've got the right setup.

i know you lvoe BC2 (i did, too. got to level 32 and clocked in 120 hours), but seriously they can't even fix the online lag.

I think the gap will be more apparent when BF3 comes out.

Grovilis

I second this.

The hardware is a generation ahead. This is what we mean. i5750at4Ghz

The hardware is a generation ahead. This is what we mean. The fact few games take advatage of this fact doesn't change it.

i5750at4Ghz

This is exactly what it means.

Are you joking? The difference between PC and current consoles is MUCH more of a jump then ps2 to ps3 and xbox to xbox360.

Go play Metro or Crysis on a real godo computer, that is WAAAAAAAAAY better looking thean any game on consoles can come even close to.

The hardware is at least one Generatino ahead of consoles, thats a fact jsut look at the specs of consoles to high end PC's.

Sure only a hand full of games take advantage such as Crysis, Metro, ARMA2 and upcoming Shogun2. There are no console games that look even close to those games I jsut mentioned on PC, its atleast a generation ahead.

Hey, I am not trashing consoles, I love em, but they are 5 years head tech wise now? come on now. Love my ps3 and xbox but PC is waaaaaaaay ahead.

Bad Company 2 has waaaaay better sound than UC 2 or KZ3. And think about it this way: PC's can output 2560x1600 resolution, while consoles struggle for most of them to be at 720p. Last generation, most games went up to 480i, some 480p, and some even 720i. tagyhag

again, are you arguing sound design or sound quality? because uncharted 2 and kz2/3 have lossless audio, and if you want to argue sound design and music just have a listen to kz's gun sounds and fx sounds, and uncharted's got a pretty cool soundtrack too.

Are you joking? The difference between PC and current consoles is MUCH more of a jump then ps2 to ps3 and xbox to xbox360.

Go play Metro or Crysis on a real godo computer, that is WAAAAAAAAAY better looking thean any game on consoles can come even close to.

kozzy1234

People are hating on BC2's sounds? WTF, they are amazing and I love how it it changes depending on the distance you're at as it's more realistic than UC2 and KZ3(even some reviews state BC2 has better sound than KZ3), and Battlefield 3 is even said to outdo them. UC2's gun sounds don't sound as good as BC2's either, fix the AK already.

Put it on Wartapes and see what I mean.

Bad Company 2 has waaaaay better sound than UC 2 or KZ3. And think about it this way: PC's can output 2560x1600 resolution, while consoles struggle for most of them to be at 720p. Last generation, most games went up to 480i, some 480p, and some even 720i. tagyhag

resolution is not everything. in the past gens, i had a gaming PC and even if i was playing on 1080p at that time, graphics still suck because even if you up the resolution, the textures were still low-res. and so i've got a character model with a smooth, round face and head instead of the squarey faces on consoles but the textures of the eyes, mouth etc. still looked bland.

same thing this gen. even if Batman Arkham Asylum is running on 2560x1600 on your PC if the textures still aren't what you can call 'a generation above' then it wouldn't really matter.

the only hope are mods because PC mods make alot better hi-res textures but come on, not all games have mods. and mods also have bugs and whatnot. such a pain to modify mods sometimes if they\re too many of them.

[QUOTE="kozzy1234"]

Are you joking? The difference between PC and current consoles is MUCH more of a jump then ps2 to ps3 and xbox to xbox360.

Go play Metro or Crysis on a real godo computer, that is WAAAAAAAAAY better looking thean any game on consoles can come even close to.

i5750at4Ghz

No its not. Go play Metro on DX11 very high settings or Crysis on Very High with mods then try a ps3 or xbox game. Uncharted2 and Heavy Rain I LOVE, but they are not close to as good grpahics as Metro, Crysis, ARMA2 or Total War games.

Do you even own a gaming computer? I have owned all teh consoles last gen and all them this gen, and imo the difference between PC's right now is much more then last gens consoels to this gens. If you are just goign off screenshots then of course your gonna say what your saying. Do us a favor and go buy a gaming pc and try all thsoe games i mentioned on highest settings then try your xbox and ps3.. its not even close, PC has a HUGE gap over consoles atm.

[QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"][QUOTE="kozzy1234"]

Are you joking? The difference between PC and current consoles is MUCH more of a jump then ps2 to ps3 and xbox to xbox360.

Go play Metro or Crysis on a real godo computer, that is WAAAAAAAAAY better looking thean any game on consoles can come even close to.

kozzy1234

No its not.

[QUOTE="tagyhag"]Bad Company 2 has waaaaay better sound than UC 2 or KZ3. And think about it this way: PC's can output 2560x1600 resolution, while consoles struggle for most of them to be at 720p. Last generation, most games went up to 480i, some 480p, and some even 720i. theuncharted34

again, are you arguing sound design or sound quality? because uncharted 2 and kz2/3 have lossless audio, and if you want to argue sound design and music just have a listen to kz's gun sounds and fx sounds, and uncharted's got a pretty cool soundtrack too.

PC's also have lossless audio as well, that's why you can buy custom soundcards. And BC2 with War Tapes is much more atmospheric than KZ2's sounds. As far as soundtrack is concerned, that's subjective.

[QUOTE="Blazerdt47"]

The only advantage PCs have over consoles is graphics and even that isn't a generation ahead, it's not the leap from PS2 to PS3 at the moment, hermits are to ecstatic over it. What about gameplay, sound, animations? I have yet to see a PC game match a game like Killzone 3 or Uncharted 2 in sound/animation.

Let's not get ahead of ourselves here.

dommeus

[QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"][QUOTE="kozzy1234"]

Are you joking? The difference between PC and current consoles is MUCH more of a jump then ps2 to ps3 and xbox to xbox360.

Go play Metro or Crysis on a real godo computer, that is WAAAAAAAAAY better looking thean any game on consoles can come even close to.

kozzy1234

No its not.

he's right.

[QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"][QUOTE="kozzy1234"]

Are you joking? The difference between PC and current consoles is MUCH more of a jump then ps2 to ps3 and xbox to xbox360.

Go play Metro or Crysis on a real godo computer, that is WAAAAAAAAAY better looking thean any game on consoles can come even close to.

kozzy1234

No its not. Go play Metro on DX11 very high settings or Crysis on VEry HIgh with mods. Uncharted2 and Heavy Rain I LOVE, but they are not close to as good grpahics as Metro, Crysis, ARMA2 or Total War games.

The hardware is a generation ahead. This is what we mean. The fact few games take advatage of this fact doesn't change it.

i5750at4Ghz

I have to disagree with that. Only one generation?

Amigo, i've seen behemoths of PCs out there. A high end PC is at least 2-3 generations ahead of both HD twins.

[QUOTE="tagyhag"]Bad Company 2 has waaaaay better sound than UC 2 or KZ3. And think about it this way: PC's can output 2560x1600 resolution, while consoles struggle for most of them to be at 720p. Last generation, most games went up to 480i, some 480p, and some even 720i. rawr89

resolution is not everything. in the past gens, i had a gaming PC and even if i was playing on 1080p at that time, graphics still suck because even if you up the resolution, the textures were still low-res. and so i've got a character model with a smooth, round face and head instead of the squarey faces on consoles but the textures of the eyes, mouth etc. still looked bland.

same thing this gen. even if Batman Arkham Asylum is running on 2560x1600 on your PC if the textures still aren't what you can call 'a generation above' then it wouldn't really matter.

the only hope are mods because PC mods make alot better hi-res textures but come on, not all games have mods. and mods also have bugs and whatnot. such a pain to modify mods sometimes if theyre too many of them.

Hardwares, multiplayers, input devices,etc.

The only advantage PCs have over consoles is graphics and even that isn't a generation ahead, it's not the leap from PS2 to PS3 at the moment, hermits are too ecstatic over it. What about gameplay, sound, animations? I have yet to see a PC game match a game like Killzone 3 or Uncharted 2 in sound/animation.

Let's not get ahead of ourselves here.

Blazerdt47

I disagree. Consoles are more than a generation behind by sound and graphics. Consoles don't utilize SoundBlaster cards.

In addition, Intel has jumped ahead several models of CPU, and nVidia/ATI have made several different series of GPUs in the last six years.

Nvidia alone made the 8, 9, 100, 200, 300, 400 and 500 Series GPUs since the PS3 was made. That's seven different GPU models.

[QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

[QUOTE="tagyhag"]Bad Company 2 has waaaaay better sound than UC 2 or KZ3. And think about it this way: PC's can output 2560x1600 resolution, while consoles struggle for most of them to be at 720p. Last generation, most games went up to 480i, some 480p, and some even 720i. tagyhag

again, are you arguing sound design or sound quality? because uncharted 2 and kz2/3 have lossless audio, and if you want to argue sound design and music just have a listen to kz's gun sounds and fx sounds, and uncharted's got a pretty cool soundtrack too.

PC's also have lossless audio as well, that's why you can buy custom soundcards. And BC2 with War Tapes is much more atmospheric than KZ2's sounds. As far as soundtrack is concerned, that's subjective.

Hey I love my consoles as much as the next person, but they dont magically upgrade themselves people.

Gaming PCs atm are at least one gen ahead right now. 5 years or how every long its been since this gen started for consoles, is a LONG time for PC tech.

Not to mention the sound aspect.... PC's have MUCH better quality sound if you buy a nice sound card.

[QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"]

The hardware is a generation ahead. This is what we mean. The fact few games take advatage of this fact doesn't change it.

Lucianu

I have to disagree with that. Only one generation?

Amigo, i've seen behemoths of PCs out there. A high end PC is at least 2-3 generations ahead of both HD twins.

People are hating on BC2's sounds? WTF, they are amazing and I love how it it changes depending on the distance you're at as it's more realistic than UC2 and KZ3(even some reviews state BC2 has better sound than KZ3), and Battlefield 3 is even said to outdo them. UC2's gun sounds don't sound as good as BC2's either, fix the AK already.

Put it on Wartapes and see what I mean.

mitu123

yes, because in Uncharted 2, gun sounds is all that matters. UC2 guns aren't supposed to sound like BC2 because it's not a battlefield, it's an adventure. if UC2 guns had BC2 gun sounds i'd be annoyed. it'd seem like Drake is a soldier partaknig in a war. can you imagine, if UC2 had those BC2 sounds in the Himalayas or in the jungle, it wouldn't really sound and feel right. it works for BC2 because you're on the battlefield. but for UC2 i don't think it suits the game and the essence of exploration/adventure.

on the same note, UC2 has full-on orchestra sounds and dialogues. so no, UC2 doesn't only have guns.

[QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"]

The hardware is a generation ahead. This is what we mean. The fact few games take advatage of this fact doesn't change it.

Lucianu

I have to disagree with that. Only one generation?

Amigo, i've seen behemoths of PCs out there. A high end PC is at least 2-3 generations ahead of both HD twins.

I know what you're saying, the crazy 4x gtx 580 sli beasts :P

but we're talking about single set ups.

god good you imagine if a 4x 580 sli was optimised to the max? real life probably lol

It shows that resolution wise we are a generation ahead. PC's already have the technology that is a generation ahead, no one can refute that.

tagyhag

Not only that, but we can use mods that actually utilizes our 2-3 generation ahead high end PCs.

Multiplatforms do not utilize PCs max potential, that's were mods come in. :P

[QUOTE="Blazerdt47"]

The only advantage PCs have over consoles is graphics and even that isn't a generation ahead, it's not the leap from PS2 to PS3 at the moment, hermits are too ecstatic over it. What about gameplay, sound, animations? I have yet to see a PC game match a game like Killzone 3 or Uncharted 2 in sound/animation.

Let's not get ahead of ourselves here.

topsemag55

I disagree. Consoles are more than a generation behind by sound and graphics. Consoles don't utilize SoundBlaster cards.

In addition, Intel has jumped ahead several models of CPU, and nVidia/ATI have made several different series of GPUs in the last six years.

Nvidia alone made the 8, 9, 100, 200, 300, 400 and 500 Series GPUs since the PS3 was made. That's seven different GPU models.

Well said, agree 100%

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

People are hating on BC2's sounds? WTF, they are amazing and I love how it it changes depending on the distance you're at as it's more realistic than UC2 and KZ3(even some reviews state BC2 has better sound than KZ3), and Battlefield 3 is even said to outdo them. UC2's gun sounds don't sound as good as BC2's either, fix the AK already.

Put it on Wartapes and see what I mean.

rawr89

yes, because in Uncharted 2, gun sounds is all that matters. UC2 guns aren't supposed to sound like BC2 because it's not a battlefield, it's an adventure. if UC2 guns had BC2 gun sounds i'd be annoyed. it'd seem like Drake is a soldier partaknig in a war. can you imagine, if UC2 had those BC2 sounds in the Himalayas or in the jungle, it wouldn't really sound and feel right. it works for BC2 because you're on the battlefield. but for UC2 i don't think it suits the game and the essence of exploration/adventure.

on the same note, UC2 has full-on orchestra sounds and dialogues. so no, UC2 doesn't only have guns.

I know what you're saying, the crazy 4x gtx 580 sli beasts :P

but we're talking about single set ups.

god good you imagine if a 4x 580 sli was optimised to the max? real life probably lol

theuncharted34

Daaaaaaaaamn.. that is unthinkable for my brain to comprehend.

[QUOTE="rawr89"]

[QUOTE="tagyhag"]Bad Company 2 has waaaaay better sound than UC 2 or KZ3. And think about it this way: PC's can output 2560x1600 resolution, while consoles struggle for most of them to be at 720p. Last generation, most games went up to 480i, some 480p, and some even 720i. tagyhag

resolution is not everything. in the past gens, i had a gaming PC and even if i was playing on 1080p at that time, graphics still suck because even if you up the resolution, the textures were still low-res. and so i've got a character model with a smooth, round face and head instead of the squarey faces on consoles but the textures of the eyes, mouth etc. still looked bland.

same thing this gen. even if Batman Arkham Asylum is running on 2560x1600 on your PC if the textures still aren't what you can call 'a generation above' then it wouldn't really matter.

the only hope are mods because PC mods make alot better hi-res textures but come on, not all games have mods. and mods also have bugs and whatnot. such a pain to modify mods sometimes if theyre too many of them.

i agree. but if the games that are being produced aren't exactly a generation ahead, what's the point really? back in 2001 i had the newest Nvidia GeForce cards and all i was playing was Half-Life, Counter-Strike, etc. my video card could've played something like GTA Vice City (Vice City wasn't out yet at that time), but i was stuck because no games of Vice City visuals were being produced. you get what i mean? what was the point of playing Half-Life 1 in max resolution when the textures were still bland?

[QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

I know what you're saying, the crazy 4x gtx 580 sli beasts :P

but we're talking about single set ups.

god good you imagine if a 4x 580 sli was optimised to the max? real life probably lol

Lucianu

Daaaaaaaaamn.. that is unthinkable for my brain to comprehend.

easy, just look outside :P

[QUOTE="Lucianu"]

[QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"]

The hardware is a generation ahead. This is what we mean. The fact few games take advatage of this fact doesn't change it.

theuncharted34

I have to disagree with that. Only one generation?

Amigo, i've seen behemoths of PCs out there. A high end PC is at least 2-3 generations ahead of both HD twins.

I know what you're saying, the crazy 4x gtx 580 sli beasts :P

but we're talking about single set ups.

god good you imagine if a 4x 580 sli was optimised to the max? real life probably lol

But joking aside, maybe the highest which is over a 1000 can handle that.

Because even multiplats/open world games look a generation ahaid. Click the picture for full 1080 glory.

[QUOTE="tagyhag"]

[QUOTE="rawr89"]

resolution is not everything. in the past gens, i had a gaming PC and even if i was playing on 1080p at that time, graphics still suck because even if you up the resolution, the textures were still low-res. and so i've got a character model with a smooth, round face and head instead of the squarey faces on consoles but the textures of the eyes, mouth etc. still looked bland.

same thing this gen. even if Batman Arkham Asylum is running on 2560x1600 on your PC if the textures still aren't what you can call 'a generation above' then it wouldn't really matter.

the only hope are mods because PC mods make alot better hi-res textures but come on, not all games have mods. and mods also have bugs and whatnot. such a pain to modify mods sometimes if theyre too many of them.

rawr89

i agree. but if the games that are being produced aren't exactly a generation ahead, what's the point really? back in 2001 i had the newest Nvidia GeForce cards and all i was playing was Half-Life, Counter-Strike, etc. my video card could've played something like GTA Vice City (Vice City wasn't out yet at that time), but i was stuck because no games of Vice City visuals were being produced. you get what i mean? what was the point of playing Half-Life 1 in max resolution when the textures were still bland?

[QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

[QUOTE="Lucianu"]

I have to disagree with that. Only one generation?

Amigo, i've seen behemoths of PCs out there. A high end PC is at least 2-3 generations ahead of both HD twins.

mitu123

I know what you're saying, the crazy 4x gtx 580 sli beasts :P

but we're talking about single set ups.

god good you imagine if a 4x 580 sli was optimised to the max? real life probably lol

But joking aside, maybe the highest which is over a 1000 can handle that.

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

[QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

I know what you're saying, the crazy 4x gtx 580 sli beasts :P

but we're talking about single set ups.

god good you imagine if a 4x 580 sli was optimised to the max? real life probably lol

i5750at4Ghz

But joking aside, maybe the highest which is over a 1000 can handle that.

they do now, I've seen 'em.

In terms of realism, BC2 blows most other games out of the water with it's sound effects. I personally find this hard to argue against.

The hardware is a generation ahead. This is what we mean. The fact few games take advatage of this fact doesn't change it.

i5750at4Ghz

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The game ArmA 2 is one of the best sounding video games of all time (minus the robot voices). The 5.1 surround sound is probably the most accurate 3d surrond sound I've ever heard. Nothing can beat that.

Also just wait for BF3. Crysis 2, while looking amazing, will not show the gap between the PCs and the consoles like Bf3 will.

i agree. but if the games that are being produced aren't exactly a generation ahead, what's the point really? back in 2001 i had the newest Nvidia GeForce cards and all i was playing was Half-Life, Counter-Strike, etc. my video card could've played something like GTA Vice City (Vice City wasn't out yet at that time), but i was stuck because no games of Vice City visuals were being produced. you get what i mean? what was the point of playing Half-Life 1 in max resolution when the textures were still bland?

rawr89

Only point unfortunately is to make games run better, if consoles had more powerful hardware we'd be getting better looking games, which is why I can't wait for their next generation. :D