How are PC's a generation ahead exactly?

The only advantage PCs have over consoles is graphics and even that isn't a generation ahead, it's not the leap from PS2 to PS3 at the moment, hermits are too ecstatic over it. What about gameplay, sound, animations? I have yet to see a PC game match a game like Killzone 3 or Uncharted 2 in sound/animation.

Let's not get ahead of ourselves here.

Blazerdt47

Its the hardware is a atleast 1 generation ahead. But devs aren't using it all, but look at most multiplats the pc games look many times better in most cases.

Even looking at bc2 which was a crappy console port, the pc to console is a major difference.

The only advantage PCs have over consoles is graphics

Blazerdt47

Better framerate

choice of controll

mods

cheaper games

features like steam,xfire, etc

free and good online

dedicated servers

free maps for most moddable games

can play with TV or monitor (yes, while sitting in your comfy sofa aswell)

better and upgradable hardware

Any questions TC?

What exactly did the 360 do besides better graphics than the xbox? PC is a generation or more ahead of consoles hardware wise. You guys should be getting new hardware on the horizon, but your not.Captain__Tripps

They should be but now it seems everyone in the gaming idustury is thinking 2015.

Yup, it's always the PC gaming super menace that constantly makes these sort of threads. :roll:

No one knows what next gen will be like or when it hits so it's a useless comparison. But if we use last gen as comparison I'd say that Crysis = Farcry and BF3 = BF2. Were those games a generation ahead..maybe not quite, but they were close.ManicAce

GTA4 with mods is allready a gen ahead, here is a video, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SukKvn8ZclQ

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The hardware is a generation ahead. This is what we mean. The fact few games take advatage of this fact doesn't change it.

D1zzyCriminal

This is exactly what it means.

Yup, it's always the PC gaming super menace that constantly makes these sort of threads. :roll:

Vesica_Prime

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Are you joking? The difference between PC and current consoles is MUCH more of a jump then ps2 to ps3 and xbox to xbox360.

Go play Metro or Crysis on a real godo computer, that is WAAAAAAAAAY better looking thean any game on consoles can come even close to.

i5750at4Ghz

GOW2 > GOW3 was nothing like Super Mario World > Super Mario 64. What's your point? It takes more and more to get the same boost. The point is, is that, hardware in PCs right now, is hardware (in quality) that will be in NG consoles assuming they don't go the Wii route.

Yup, it's always the PC gaming super menace that constantly makes these sort of threads. :roll:

Vesica_Prime

i'd say having double the fps, sub720p vs 1080p or higher, dx11, sometimes double the online players is next gen'ish.

You'll need a PSU that's over 9000 for that.:P

But joking aside, maybe the highest which is over a 1000 can handle that.

mitu123

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You'll need a PSU that's over 9000 for that.:P

But joking aside, maybe the highest which is over a 1000 can handle that.

markop2003

That has to be right on the edge of how much power you can safely get from a home wall socket.

[QUOTE="Vesica_Prime"]

Yup, it's always the PC gaming super menace that constantly makes these sort of threads. :roll:

devious742

It was a sarcastic comment...

GTA4 with mods is allready a gen ahead, here is a video, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SukKvn8ZclQ

HaloinventedFPS

[QUOTE="Blazerdt47"]

The only advantage PCs have over consoles is graphics

coreybg

Better framerate

choice of controll

mods

cheaper games

features like steam,xfire, etc

free and good online

dedicated servers

free maps for most moddable games

can play with TV or monitor (yes, while sitting in your comfy sofa aswell)

better and upgradable hardware

Add full control over CPU/GPU usage, game settings, OC'ing CPU & GPU if desired.

Why do the console gamers keep gunning for the PC gamers? you are using 5 year old hardware verses new hardware with a far larger price tag... how do you expect to win exactly? anyway if you look at the usual console time line we should have new console on the horizon by now so PC's being a gen ahead is a fair argument.

A generation ahead is nothing more then hyperbole. As good as PC's look the hardware isn't nearly as impressive as it owuld be if it were an actual generation ahead.

Compare GTA: San Andreas to GTA IV. Now, compare the console version of BC2 with the PC version. Unless you are blind you aren't going to say that BC2 showcases more hardware changes and the same goes for Crysis 2 and Just Cause 2.

I mean yeah, PC games look great. Good for you, but its definitely not a generation ahead, and the gameplay/sound/AI are about exactly the same as on consoles.

I like how TC leaves his thread when it backfires :P

It's impossible for me to be impressed by console graphics:

fake backgrounds

DoF

no-AA

corridor levels

low rez textures

That pretty much sums it up, console games are all about "tricks" to project reality (think of the skybox wallpapers), PC actually RENDERs those scenes.

When UC2/GEOW goes open world, maintains those graphics with minimal popin - I'll be impressed.

A generation ahead is nothing more then hyperbole. As good as PC's look the hardware isn't nearly as impressive as it owuld be if it were an actual generation ahead.

Compare GTA: San Andreas to GTA IV. Now, compare the console version of BC2 with the PC version. Unless you are blind you aren't going to say that BC2 showcases more hardware changes and the same goes for Crysis 2 and Just Cause 2.

I mean yeah, PC games look great. Good for you, but its definitely not a generation ahead, and the gameplay/sound/AI are about exactly the same as on consoles.

SPYDER0416

I disagree. The only way you can say this is by looking at multiplats, which of course aren't a "generation" ahead as they also run on console (3 generations behind).

Lets just use what you cited: BC2 has a sound mode called "war tapes" (have you heard it?) Compare that to console - its a different world, truly. Can't hear that on console.

Graphically BC2 is a port, but compare the two side by side - BC2 PC looks like a different game, especially at 2560x1600.

AI - can't compare a multiplat here, since consoles have held back AI development - needless to say a PC CPU has 100000000 more free cycles for AI.

So really two things are happening in PC gaming - consoles are holding them back, that is true, but the trend is shifting - PCs are now thet primary platform for a bunch of games, which will then be gimped for console hardware. So, PC reigns supreme, even in a land of terrible console multiplats. It will continue to reign supreme and more-so as games are deved for PC and then stripped down for console.

I think the word is "potentially".

PC are definitely potentially at least a generation ahead,its just we rarely see the evidence since all the traditional PC devs have switched their focus to consoles,meaning the full power of todays PC hardware is hardly ever exploited.

In terms of graphics power, PCs are a few generations ahead from consoles. The graphics chips Xbox 360 and PS3 (not to mention the Wii) use are outdated since long on the PC and not even all PC games run on them.

In terms of CPUs the power difference is also big although console CPUs may have a more specific architecture.

And in terms of RAM you can have far more RAM on the PC.

However, the console gens are different to PC gens because on the PC a new gen comes out every year or even sooner, while consoles get successors in a few years.

So if you're asking whether the current PCs already display the graphics we will see in the next generation consoles I will say that I don't have the answer and neither does anyone else. We'll just have to wait and see and then judge. But I personally think that the next gen consoles will have more visually impressive graphics than what current PCs display.

I think the word is "potentially".

PC are definitely potentially at least a generation ahead,its just we rarely see the evidence since all the traditional PC devs have switched their focus to consoles,meaning the full power of todays PC hardware is hardly ever exploited.

stvee101

Right.

Some games like JC2 (a multiplat) look 2+ generations newer on PC. Decked out JC2 is impressive, while on console looks like a muddy mess of badness.

So multiplat doesn't necessarily mean it won't use the PC strenghths. Most devs just don't care, its all about the $.

The only advantage PCs have over consoles is graphics...

Blazerdt47

You failed before you even finished your first sentence.

Okay hermits I have my popcorn and twizzlers, commence to rape thread.

CB4McGusto

lol this made me laugh out load in the computerlab just now LOLOLOLO.

The hardware is a generation ahead. This is what we mean. The fact few games take advatage of this fact doesn't change it.

i5750at4Ghz

Its more than a generation a head actually.. More like 3 generatiosn ahead hardware wise...

The only advantage PCs have over consoles is graphics and even that isn't a generation ahead, it's not the leap from PS2 to PS3 at the moment, hermits are too ecstatic over it. What about gameplay, sound, animations? I have yet to see a PC game match a game like Killzone 3 or Uncharted 2 in sound/animation.

Let's not get ahead of ourselves here.

Blazerdt47

Uh...one HD 4800 series graphics card is MORE POWERFUL than the combined power of the Xbox 360 + PS3 + all the consoles ever made in the history of the world. How is that not a generation ahead?

As for sound, how is Crysis's sound bad?

In terms of hardware, I would absolutely say they are. In terms of games, not so much, though certain games could be deemed "a generation ahead" in terms of graphics.

Anyway, whoever is stating that something is a generation ahead is simply doing so using arbitrary means. We have no defined measuring stick, other than it the next console released in the cycle (PC's generations reset upon the release of the first "next-gen" console in SW).

The only advantage PCs have over consoles is graphics and even that isn't a generation ahead, it's not the leap from PS2 to PS3 at the moment, hermits are too ecstatic over it. What about gameplay, sound, animations? I have yet to see a PC game match a game like Killzone 3 or Uncharted 2 in sound/animation.

Let's not get ahead of ourselves here.

Blazerdt47

The only advantage?

I thought pc gamers like to talk about:

• Freedom
• Access to the biggest back catalog of games
• Biggest assortment of exclusives
• Price of many new release games.
• Use of just about any controller in a prethara of games.
• Immersion (triple screen ability)
• Offcourse Graphics. (higher Res, textues, particle affects, physics, shaders, etc etc)
• D2D deals (Ex. Direct2drive 20% off discount coupon + preordering games for 10+ dollars off with code or Big Steam deals)

Gameplay, sound, animation? Not even worth debating as thats just pure opinion vs. opinion. I am still confused where this "only" comes from.

Crysis 60fps 1920x1080 Very High on GTX 580.....Crysis 2 console @ ~30fps 1152x720 mediumish....

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People are hating on BC2's sounds? WTF, they are amazing and I love how it it changes depending on the distance you're at as it's more realistic than UC2 and KZ3(even some reviews state BC2 has better sound than KZ3), and Battlefield 3 is even said to outdo them. UC2's gun sounds don't sound as good as BC2's either, fix the AK already.

Put it on Wartapes and see what I mean.

rawr89

yes, because in Uncharted 2, gun sounds is all that matters. UC2 guns aren't supposed to sound like BC2 because it's not a battlefield, it's an adventure. if UC2 guns had BC2 gun sounds i'd be annoyed. it'd seem like Drake is a soldier partaknig in a war. can you imagine, if UC2 had those BC2 sounds in the Himalayas or in the jungle, it wouldn't really sound and feel right. it works for BC2 because you're on the battlefield. but for UC2 i don't think it suits the game and the essence of exploration/adventure.

on the same note, UC2 has full-on orchestra sounds and dialogues. so no, UC2 doesn't only have guns.

What does this even mean? so if a person who fires a gun is not a soldier, that said gun will sound different for him? In BC2 with the right settings, soundcard and setup you can here the creaks of machine gun turrets. Sounds like your just butthurt that your last desperate attempt: audio quality has still been surpassed by PC.

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Are you joking? The difference between PC and current consoles is MUCH more of a jump then ps2 to ps3 and xbox to xbox360.

Go play Metro or Crysis on a real godo computer, that is WAAAAAAAAAY better looking thean any game on consoles can come even close to.

i5750at4Ghz

Serious Sam 3 will probably show the gap between PC and console multiplayer, solely because of 16 players co-op, and it's likely that the console will only get 4 player co-op.

Additionally, Battlefield 3 will have 64 players.

The only advantage PCs have over consoles is graphics and even that isn't a generation ahead, it's not the leap from PS2 to PS3 at the moment, hermits are too ecstatic over it. What about gameplay, sound, animations? I have yet to see a PC game match a game like Killzone 3 or Uncharted 2 in sound/animation.

Let's not get ahead of ourselves here.

Blazerdt47

Hardware wise they have always been ahead, game wise this is true as well, though consoles are ruining our games for us.

The only advantage PCs have over consoles is graphics and even that isn't a generation ahead, it's not the leap from PS2 to PS3 at the moment, hermits are too ecstatic over it. What about gameplay, sound, animations? I have yet to see a PC game match a game like Killzone 3 or Uncharted 2 in sound/animation.

Let's not get ahead of ourselves here.

Blazerdt47

The only advantage PCs have over consoles is graphics and even that isn't a generation ahead, it's not the leap from PS2 to PS3 at the moment, hermits are too ecstatic over it. What about gameplay, sound, animations? I have yet to see a PC game match a game like Killzone 3 or Uncharted 2 in sound/animation.

Let's not get ahead of ourselves here.

Blazerdt47

uncharted2 and killzone 3 look really really good. IMO better than other console games, but honestly i was playing in HD on my pc like 10 years ago, no joke.

The PC is broken with piracy, over hyped, and neutral.LOXO7