How are PC's a generation ahead exactly?

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[QUOTE="AzatiS"] Technology wise are not 1 , are 2 generations ahead... For example MY GPU ALONE got more memory , faster memory , faster chipset , etc than a whole PS3. Now.. If i add everything else.... Imagine what you could make with so much power... But no.. it goes wasted because... of consoles!! And with the ideal "" 8 years "" cycle consoles aiming..?!! Thats so shame .Marka1700

U mad? Do you have any idea whats difference of 2 generations? Like PS One vs PS3? Well PS One had about 32 Mhz, PS3 has 7 cores clocked at cca 3000 Mhz each. PS One had 2 MB RAM, PS3 has 256 MB RAM + 256 MB VRAM. And it shows of course just compare any good loking PS One game to Killzone 3 - THATS the difference of 2 generations. Maybe in 2017 high end PC will be there, but definitely not now.

Todays top high end PCs are a generation ahead of consoles HW vise, PC games are barely 1/2 gen ahead of console games.

I think the gap will be more apparent when BF3 comes out.

Grovilis

[QUOTE="BlbecekBobecek"]

Technology wise are not 1 , are 2 generations ahead... For example MY GPU ALONE got more memory , faster memory , faster chipset , etc than a whole PS3. Now.. If i add everything else.... Imagine what you could make with so much power... But no.. it goes wasted because... of consoles!! And with the ideal "" 8 years "" cycle consoles aiming..?!! Thats so shame .AzatiS

U mad? Do you have any idea whats difference of 2 generations? Like PS One vs PS3? Well PS One had about 32 Mhz, PS3 has 7 cores clocked at cca 3000 Mhz each. PS One had 2 MB RAM, PS3 has 256 MB RAM + 256 MB VRAM. And it shows of course just compare any good loking PS One game to Killzone 3 - THATS the difference of 2 generations. Maybe in 2017 high end PC will be there, but definitely not now.

Todays top high end PCs are a generation ahead of consoles HW vise, PC games are barely 1/2 gen ahead of console games.

1. Cell is not a 7 Core CPU

2. Mhz ratings don't mean crap these days.

3. You want to talk huge memory differences. PS3/360 have 512MB Total, my PC has 7415MB total. Other people on this board have over 12000MB

4. Current PC hardware would not even stress over running KZ3 in resolution above 1080P.

5. Games like Metro 20033 (PC Version) allready have over double the texture resolution we have seen on console games and a lighting system consoles couldn't dream of running in its full glory even in sub HD.

This is a direct feed shot of BF3 confirmed by this link and owns anything on consoles, PC is a gen ahead, though there are a lot of jaggies, look at the gun model, so many jaggies.D=

[QUOTE="AzatiS"][QUOTE="Blazerdt47"]

The only advantage PCs have over consoles is graphics and even that isn't a generation ahead, it's not the leap from PS2 to PS3 at the moment, hermits are too ecstatic over it. What about gameplay, sound, animations? I have yet to see a PC game match a game like Killzone 3 or Uncharted 2 in sound/animation.

Let's not get ahead of ourselves here.

BlbecekBobecek

U mad? Do you have any idea whats difference of 2 generations? Like PS One vs PS3? Well PS One had about 32 Mhz, PS3 has 7 cores clocked at cca 3000 Mhz each. PS One had 2 MB RAM, PS3 has 256 MB RAM + 256 MB VRAM. And it shows of course just compare any good loking PS One game to Killzone 3 - THATS the difference of 2 generations. Maybe in 2017 high end PC will be there, but definitely not now.

Todays top high end PCs are a generation ahead of consoles HW vise, PC games are barely 1/2 gen ahead of console games.

Well this discussion is mess. One guy there said that PCs are 2-3 generations over todays consoles (lol) so I showed him the difference of 2 generations on comparison between PS One and PS3. PS3 is about 100x more powerful just in raw numbers of MHz and MBs, while the real difference in computing power will be much higher (my bet is that PS3 is somewhere around 1000x more powerful than PS One). This is the difference of two generations (difference of 3 generations is Playstation 3 vs SNES - Im not even gonna discuss THAT), and it shows in game graphics that feature not only much more polygons, much more and sharper textures, etc., but even completely different technology. Higher resolution, sharper textures and more light sources isnt a difference of two generations (lol again). And please dont list those GeForce series again mein Gott, thats ridiculous. :D

[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"]Umm, BC2 already has better sound than Uncharted 2 or Killzone 3 and it's not even an exclusive.rawr89

ROFL. UC2 has LCPM 7.1. that is Lossless audio right there. it means that the sound quality is akin to a live orchestra playing in front of you if you've got the right setup.

i know you lvoe BC2 (i did, too. got to level 32 and clocked in 120 hours), but seriously they can't even fix the online lag.

Well this discussion is mess. One guy there said that PCs are 2-3 generations over todays consoles (lol) so I showed him the difference of 2 generations on comparison between PS One and PS3. PS3 is about 100x more powerful just in raw numbers of MHz and MBs, while the real difference in computing power will be much higher (my bet is that PS3 is somewhere around 1000x more powerful than PS One). This is the difference of two generations (difference of 3 generations is Playstation 3 vs SNES - Im not even gonna discuss THAT), and it shows in game graphics that feature not only much more polygons, much more and sharper textures, etc., but even completely different technology. Higher resolution, sharper textures and more light sources isnt a difference of two generations (lol again). And please dont list those GeForce series again mein Gott, thats ridiculous. :D

BlbecekBobecek

Also lets compare the PS3 gpu vs even a 4 year old gpu. PS3 gpu the "RSX" has 256mb of video with only 22 GB/s of memory bandwidth, with around 150 GFLOPS of processing speed. And that the RSX is stripped down(slower version) Geforce 7800 chipset which is a Direct X 9 based hardware. Now lets move onto the 8800GT It has 512-1024mb of video memory , with 57 GB/s memory bandwidth,does 754 GFLOP's. Then its Direct x 10. Now lets skip ahead to this timeframe 2011. The Geforce GTX 580 1.5 Gb to 3Gb of memory with a memory bandwidth of 192 GB/s and does 1581 GFLOP's. And it's a Direct x 11 based hardware.

So Pc's are 2 generations ahead at the very least. While the gpu hardware today is already upto 12x faster with upto 12x the memory.... Also Direct x 9 to Direct x 11 is two generations of software and hardware. Plus the fact that with each console generation they are using more and more Pc based hardware.

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[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"]Umm, BC2 already has better sound than Uncharted 2 or Killzone 3 and it's not even an exclusive.DragonfireXZ95

ROFL. UC2 has LCPM 7.1. that is Lossless audio right there. it means that the sound quality is akin to a live orchestra playing in front of you if you've got the right setup.

i know you lvoe BC2 (i did, too. got to level 32 and clocked in 120 hours), but seriously they can't even fix the online lag.

Not only can PC games look and sound better at much higher resolutions than console games, but they can do so while also including much larger maps with interactive environments and free-form rather than linear, pretty corridor backdrops. Think ARMA 2 or Crysis 1.

This is a direct feed shot of BF3 confirmed by this link and owns anything on consoles, PC is a gen ahead, though there are a lot of jaggies, look at the gun model, so many jaggies.D=

mitu123

It doesn't :|

Not trying to stir anything here.... it might own 97% of games released this gen, but it definitely doesn't outdo UC2 (if even if it does, I'd say by a hair).....and thats not even comparing Uncharted 3 thats going to look even better :?

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

This is a direct feed shot of BF3 confirmed by this link and owns anything on consoles, PC is a gen ahead, though there are a lot of jaggies, look at the gun model, so many jaggies.D=

tonitorsi

It doesn't :

It might own 97% of games released this gen, but it definitely doesn't outdo UC2.....and thats not even comparing Uncharted 3 thats going to look even better :?

Hey now, that guy posted a 1920x1080 pic while you posted a psp sized screen. Btw your pic looks kinda cartoony.

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

This is a direct feed shot of BF3 confirmed by this link and owns anything on consoles, PC is a gen ahead, though there are a lot of jaggies, look at the gun model, so many jaggies.D=

tonitorsi

It doesn't :|

It might own 97% of games released this gen, but it definitely doesn't outdo UC2.....and thats not even comparing Uncharted 3 thats going to look even better :?

Yeah, but keep in mind that uncharted 2 is like a cutscene that you can move around in. The environments aren't interactive, so the ps3 doesn't have to process too many things going on at once, which is a sacrifice that many console games make in order to have better graphics. Also, the game doesn't look that amazing on a 37 inch 1080p tv. Or at least it didn't impress me as much as everybody told me it would.

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

This is a direct feed shot of BF3 confirmed by this link and owns anything on consoles, PC is a gen ahead, though there are a lot of jaggies, look at the gun model, so many jaggies.D=

tonitorsi

It doesn't :|

It might own 97% of games released this gen, but it definitely doesn't outdo UC2.....and thats not even comparing Uncharted 3 thats going to look even better :?

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

This is a direct feed shot of BF3 confirmed by this link and owns anything on consoles, PC is a gen ahead, though there are a lot of jaggies, look at the gun model, so many jaggies.D=

tonitorsi

It doesn't :|

Not trying to stir anything here.... it might own 97% of games released this gen, but it definitely doesn't outdo UC2 (if even if it does, I'd say by a hair).....and thats not even comparing Uncharted 3 thats going to look even better :?

Direct feed of UC2, not some cutscene shot with more SSAO, more detailed textures and stuff.

Doesn't even compare to Battlefield 3.:| Maybe it'll look better than the console versions, no chance against PC.:P

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[QUOTE="mitu123"]

This is a direct feed shot of BF3 confirmed by this link and owns anything on consoles, PC is a gen ahead, though there are a lot of jaggies, look at the gun model, so many jaggies.D=

mitu123

It doesn't :|

It might own 97% of games released this gen, but it definitely doesn't outdo UC2.....and thats not even comparing Uncharted 3 thats going to look even better :?

It still looks great in SP :|

I know Consoles have 5 year old tech, but they can still put out graphics that can be comparable to that direct pic you posted above.

And Uncharted 3 is going to look even better

And that doesn't comeout until November just as BF3.

Consoles can still hold their own mitu :P

Direct feed of UC2, not some cutscene shot with more SSAO, more detailed textures and stuff.

Doesn't even compare to Battlefield 3.:| Maybe it'll look better than the console versions, no chance against PC.:P

mitu123

Look at those amazing rock textures. :lol:

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

Direct feed of UC2, not some cutscene shot with more SSAO, more detailed textures and stuff.

Doesn't even compare to Battlefield 3.:| Maybe it'll look better than the console versions, no chance against PC.:P

tagyhag

Look at those amazing rock textures. :lol:

It still looks great in SP :|

tonitorsi

Still with those tiny screens? Do you realize the contrast your pic made with that 1080p image?

Direct feed of UC2, not some cutscene shot with more SSAO, more detailed textures and stuff.

Doesn't even compare to Battlefield 3.:| Maybe it'll look better than the console versions, no chance against PC.:P

mitu123

What is this?? :lol:
The grass doesn't look anything like that! :P

This is GAMEPLAY FOOTAGE....in motion that shows exactly what the game looks like

EDIT: It shows a clear presentation of how exactly the grass looks.

What is this?? :lol:
The grass doesn't look anything like that! :P

This is GAMEPLAY FOOTAGE....in motion that shows exactly what the game looks like

EDIT: It shows a clear presentation of how exactly the grass looks.

tonitorsi

Oh you want in motion

Your video looks like something out of a cartoony movie compared to this :D

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[QUOTE="tonitorsi"]

It doesn't :|

It might own 97% of games released this gen, but it definitely doesn't outdo UC2.....and thats not even comparing Uncharted 3 thats going to look even better :?

tonitorsi

It still looks great in SP :|

I know Consoles have 5 year old tech, but they can still put out graphics that can be comparable to that direct pic you posted above.

And Uncharted 3 is going to look even better

And that doesn't comeout until November just as BF3.

Consoles can still hold their own mitu :P

And by the time Uncharted 3 release, BF3 on PC would most likely own it and it's be technically better, I doubt consoles will.

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

Direct feed of UC2, not some cutscene shot with more SSAO, more detailed textures and stuff.

Doesn't even compare to Battlefield 3.:| Maybe it'll look better than the console versions, no chance against PC.:P

tonitorsi

What is this?? :lol:
The grass doesn't look anything like that! :P

This is GAMEPLAY FOOTAGE....in motion that shows exactly what the game looks like

EDIT: It shows a clear presentation of how exactly the grass looks.

[QUOTE="tonitorsi"]

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

Direct feed of UC2, not some cutscene shot with more SSAO, more detailed textures and stuff.

Doesn't even compare to Battlefield 3.:| Maybe it'll look better than the console versions, no chance against PC.:P

mitu123

What is this?? :lol:
The grass doesn't look anything like that! :P

This is GAMEPLAY FOOTAGE....in motion that shows exactly what the game looks like

EDIT: It shows a clear presentation of how exactly the grass looks.

I never denied BC3 looks better but consoles can create games that, imo, don't get easily outperformed by superior looking PC games.

In fact, I'd say that gameplay pic of UC3...to me...is on equal footing with that BC3 PC picture you posted. And the fact that Naughty Dog is among the few talented developers that can make such great looking games on consoles kinda cancels that "it owns anyting on consoles" statement you just said a while ago.

But yes, BF3 looks great :)

^Even if that is true, in which is mostly is, I think the PC version will come on top(it's not even a console port), though Uncharted 3 will be best looking on consoles. I am impressed with what Naughty Dog has done with the PS3 to be fair. Wait until March 16th when you see that building collapse.:P This a direct feed screen taken from MY PS3 when the game came out, you can take pics of Uncharted 2's multiplayer.

I never denied BC3 looks better but consoles can create games that, imo, don't get easily outperformed by superior looking PC games.

In fact, I'd say that gameplay pic of UC3...to me...is on equal footing with that BC3 PC picture you posted. And the fact that Naughty Dog is among the few talented developers that can make such great looking games on consoles kinda cancels that "it owns anyting on consoles" statement you just said a while ago.

But yes, BF3 looks great :)

tonitorsi

Ahahahahahaha.

Lettuce be cereal, there is nothing on the current gen consoles nor will there ever be that comes close to the graphical quality and technical achievement that is BF3.

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[QUOTE="tonitorsi"]

What is this?? :lol:
The grass doesn't look anything like that! :P

This is GAMEPLAY FOOTAGE....in motion that shows exactly what the game looks like

EDIT: It shows a clear presentation of how exactly the grass looks.

tonitorsi

I never denied BC3 looks better but consoles can create games that, imo, don't get easily outperformed by superior looking PC games.

In fact, I'd say that gameplay pic of UC3...to me...is on equal footing with that BC3 PC picture you posted. And the fact that Naughty Dog is among the few talented developers that can make such great looking games on consoles kinda cancels that "it owns anyting on consoles" statement you just said a while ago.

But yes, BF3 looks great :)

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[QUOTE="mitu123"] I can't speak for Uncharted 3 until it's out, but why can't you post a 1280x720 shot of Uncharted 2, you know, it's native res. The game only uses 2xAA and that looks like a low res pic to me, lower than 640p.

And by the time Uncharted 3 release, BF3 on PC would most likely own it and it's be technically better, I doubt consoles will.

mitu123

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

This is a direct feed shot of BF3 confirmed by this link and owns anything on consoles, PC is a gen ahead, though there are a lot of jaggies, look at the gun model, so many jaggies.D=

tonitorsi

It doesn't :|

Not trying to stir anything here.... it might own 97% of games released this gen, but it definitely doesn't outdo UC2 (if even if it does, I'd say by a hair).....and thats not even comparing Uncharted 3 thats going to look even better :?

[QUOTE="tonitorsi"]

[QUOTE="mitu123"] I could even buy a capture device and get similar results, do you even know how direct feed screens work? I know what the game looks like, I had it on day one, and that's suppose to be on BF3 PC's level? It is possible for a multiplat to outdo an exclusive, defintely one built for PC with no DX9 so consoles don't even restrict it's graphics.

DreamCryotank

I never denied BC3 looks better but consoles can create games that, imo, don't get easily outperformed by superior looking PC games.

In fact, I'd say that gameplay pic of UC3...to me...is on equal footing with that BC3 PC picture you posted. And the fact that Naughty Dog is among the few talented developers that can make such great looking games on consoles kinda cancels that "it owns anyting on consoles" statement you just said a while ago.

But yes, BF3 looks great :)

[QUOTE="tonitorsi"]

[QUOTE="mitu123"] I could even buy a capture device and get similar results, do you even know how direct feed screens work? I know what the game looks like, I had it on day one, and that's suppose to be on BF3 PC's level? It is possible for a multiplat to outdo an exclusive, defintely one built for PC with no DX9 so consoles don't even restrict it's graphics.

DreamCryotank

I never denied BC3 looks better but consoles can create games that, imo, don't get easily outperformed by superior looking PC games.

In fact, I'd say that gameplay pic of UC3...to me...is on equal footing with that BC3 PC picture you posted. And the fact that Naughty Dog is among the few talented developers that can make such great looking games on consoles kinda cancels that "it owns anyting on consoles" statement you just said a while ago.

But yes, BF3 looks great :)

The only advantage PCs have over consoles is graphics and even that isn't a generation ahead, it's not the leap from PS2 to PS3 at the moment, hermits are too ecstatic over it. What about gameplay, sound, animations? I have yet to see a PC game match a game like Killzone 3 or Uncharted 2 in sound/animation.

Let's not get ahead of ourselves here.

Blazerdt47

[QUOTE="DreamCryotank"][QUOTE="tonitorsi"]

I never denied BC3 looks better but consoles can create games that, imo, don't get easily outperformed by superior looking PC games.

In fact, I'd say that gameplay pic of UC3...to me...is on equal footing with that BC3 PC picture you posted. And the fact that Naughty Dog is among the few talented developers that can make such great looking games on consoles kinda cancels that "it owns anyting on consoles" statement you just said a while ago.

But yes, BF3 looks great :)

HuusAsking