[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"]

[QUOTE="LastRambo341"] Evading? You're the one making up those assumptions ;)LastRambo341

Yeah, see, that's generally how assumptions work: when you're stuck with incomplete knowledge of something, you use other knowledge and logic to fill in the blanks.

For example, neither of us know what the version of RE5 that ran on 3DS was like. I consider the comments developers have made about the relative power of the 3DS, and what 3DS games have achieved technically so far, and from that I assume that RE5 most likely could not be made to run on the 3DS without major downgrades and/or bad performance. You see that Capcom made a version of RE5 run on the 3DS and assume that it ran well, based on........pretty much nothing?

Anyway, point is that everyone has to make assumptions at some level because no one knows everything. The trick is not to forget the part where you use logic. But don't worry, you'll get the hang of it.

Just trying to help you out. It's hard to articulate arguments if you don't understand this stuff. Hell, you might even be right, you just can't explain why.

You should watch these videos, they're a really good intruduction to the basics of logic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSZ3BUru59A

[QUOTE="LastRambo341"][QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"]

Yeah, see, that's generally how assumptions work: when you're stuck with incomplete knowledge of something, you use other knowledge and logic to fill in the blanks.

For example, neither of us know what the version of RE5 that ran on 3DS was like. I consider the comments developers have made about the relative power of the 3DS, and what 3DS games have achieved technically so far, and from that I assume that RE5 most likely could not be made to run on the 3DS without major downgrades and/or bad performance. You see that Capcom made a version of RE5 run on the 3DS and assume that it ran well, based on........pretty much nothing?

Anyway, point is that everyone has to make assumptions at some level because no one knows everything. The trick is not to forget the part where you use logic. But don't worry, you'll get the hang of it.

Cherokee_Jack

Just trying to help you out. It's hard to articulate arguments if you don't understand this stuff. Hell, you might even be right, you just can't explain why.

You should watch these videos, they're a really good intruduction to the basics of logic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSZ3BUru59A

My dear clown, this is the iNTERNET, and people talk and act however they want.

Why are you e-lecturing some random guy on the internet? :? don't you have other things to do in life that are more important? I bet you don't have friends, because you're *yawn* boring

The 3DS is basically a portable Xbox tech wise, the vita is probably equivalent to a 2004 gaming rigKaszilla

[QUOTE="Kaszilla"]The 3DS is basically a portable Xbox tech wise, the vita is probably equivalent to a 2004 gaming rigMFDOOM1983

My dear clown, this is the iNTERNET, and people talk and act however they want.

Why are you e-lecturing some random guy on the internet? :? don't you have other things to do in life that are more important? I bet you don't have friends, because you're *yawn* boring

LastRambo341

Well, I thought maybe if I persisted we might get a real discussion going, and maybe you would bring up some valid points of your own. But now I realize that you weren't prepared to back up your opinion, hence your falling back on insults. That's a shame.

[QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"]

[QUOTE="Kaszilla"]The 3DS is basically a portable Xbox tech wise, the vita is probably equivalent to a 2004 gaming rigKaszilla

[QUOTE="LastRambo341"]My dear clown, this is the iNTERNET, and people talk and act however they want.

Why are you e-lecturing some random guy on the internet? :? don't you have other things to do in life that are more important? I bet you don't have friends, because you're *yawn* boring

Cherokee_Jack

Well, I thought maybe if I persisted we might get a real discussion going, and maybe you would bring up some valid points of your own. But now I realize that you weren't prepared to back up your opinion, hence your falling back on insults. That's a shame.

[QUOTE="Kaszilla"][QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"] From a purely polygon pushing standpoint, 3ds is a gamecube with shader capabilities.

MFDOOM1983

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3DS | 1068 | 20.43

Cube | 648 | 20.25

Wii | 972 | 30.38

Rogue Squadron holds the record for must polygons in a game last gen, so I don't doubt it.

Peak pixel fill rate:

• XBX: 1.8 GPixels/s
• PS3: 4 GPixels/s
• 360: 4 GPixels/s
• PSV: 4 GPixels/s

Peak geometry performance:

• XBX: 30 million polygons/s
• PS3: 250 million polygons/s
• 360: 500 million polygons/s
• PSV: 140 million polygons/s

I don't think these are effective, real-time numbers, but purely theoretical peak numbers and obviously there's more at play than just these specs - but from these one would surmise that the 3DS is around GC/XBX/Wii level, while the PSV is somewhere closer to, but not quite at, PS3/360 level.

The first Uncharted screen looks like crap.

Cherokee_Jack

The first one is direct feed, while the second one is a bullshot. The game is sub-qHD, so yeah, it doesn't look that great.

The Vita is a lot more powerful than the 3DS, but I agree that it falls short for being a full generational advantage. Saturn vs. N64 or Dreamcast vs. Xbox type thing going on.Eponique

Bigger than your screens make them out to be, If that's the real size of a Vita screen I aint getting one. :P About the same as maybe a launch PS3 title to a current one. Big enough to see but not small either.JohnF111

The Vita may run at over 5x higher than the per eye resolution of the 3DS, but its screen isn't 5x bigger, lol.

The relative size of the two systems' physical screens is more like this, I believe:

It looks like it's probably somewhere inbetween your two options.

[QUOTE="LastRambo341"][QUOTE="Desmonic"]

Can you read? Allow me to quote your article:

[quote="computer and videogames"]

Resident Evil 5 runs on Nintendo 3DS

Capcom's Ono has seen it in action...Capcom's Yoshinoro Ono has revealed that the first thing he saw running on Nintendo 3DS was a 3D version of Resident Evil 5.

"The first time I had any kind of contact with the 3DS was shortly before E3 of last year," the Street Fighter mastermind toldGames Radar.

"A couple of weeks before the show I got a call from [Capcom producer] Takeuchi-san, and he said he had something he wanted me to see. So I travelled to Osaka, and he whipped out a 3DS, and it was running a version of Resident Evil 5!"

Ono also admitted to being taken aback by the console's power. "I was surprised we could get this kind of power in the palm of your hand, and 3D to boot," he said.

Yet Capcom chose not to release Resident Evil 5 for 3DS. Instead of porting the Xbox 360 and PS3 game over to the new 3D handheld, Capcom has created two all-new Resident Evil games for the handheld;Resident Evil: RevelationsandResident Evil: The Mercenaries 3D.

Want to know if it would be good to see Resident Evil 5 running on 3DS? Here's ourResident Evil 5 review.

Desmonic

So, let me start by saying that I never said the RE5 wasn't running on the 3DS. I just questioned "how" it wold be running, how well, whether or not it's even comparable to the original. And your article does indeed say that RE5 was running on the 3DS. It doesn't however asnwer my questions and neither do you.

And do notice the person who claims to have seen it run on the 3DS is a CAPCOM worker. It could be, for all WE know just a stunt by Capcom, or even an exageration of what he actually saw. Until WE see it running on 3DS, I very much doubt it runs well, even with scaled down graphics. Wanna prove me wrong? Show me RE5 running WELL on the 3DS. Don't present me the same article I've read many times before.

You...you are a special kind of stupid aren't you? Yes, they got RE5 to work on 3DS. We have already agreed on that. Yet you still have to answer my question: Wtf makes you so damn sure it runs well enough to compete with Vita? What makes you think the WHOLE game is able to run on the 3DS and not just a demo level to test the engine? The article only says they were able to make it run on the 3DS, nothing else. You are the one thinking that just that makes it equal in power to the Vita.

You have NO PROOF that it runs well, NO PROOF that it looks good, yet you assume it's fact. And since YOU HAVE NO PROOF, I'm equally free to assume it runs like piss poor port on the 3DS since they never even showed some images of the damn game.

I would say that it is similar to the 360 vs Ps3 gap

LastRambo341

[QUOTE="LastRambo341"][QUOTE="Desmonic"]

You...you are a special kind of stupid aren't you? Yes, they got RE5 to work on 3DS. We have already agreed on that. Yet you still have to answer my question: Wtf makes you so damn sure it runs well enough to compete with Vita? What makes you think the WHOLE game is able to run on the 3DS and not just a demo level to test the engine? The article only says they were able to make it run on the 3DS, nothing else. You are the one thinking that just that makes it equal in power to the Vita.

You have NO PROOF that it runs well, NO PROOF that it looks good, yet you assume it's fact. And since YOU HAVE NO PROOF, I'm equally free to assume it runs like piss poor port on the 3DS since they never even showed some images of the damn game.

Desmonic

[QUOTE="LastRambo341"]

I would say that it is similar to the 360 vs Ps3 gap

SapSacPrime

[QUOTE="LastRambo341"][QUOTE="Desmonic"] Ah the evading weak answer. Typical of blind haters when they see their only argument shattered. If your not ready for the fire, don't play with it son ;)

Desmonic

Again, no proof of anything, you are just making assumptions lol Weak, really weak bro. Try harder.

Just because they managed to get it running does not mean it runs well (look at Skyrim for the PS3 for example). So I ask again: where is your proof that it runs well, that it looks good, that it it plays, feels or looks anyhting like the original RE5? That it matches the Vita in power? What's that? You don't have any? Oh I'm sorry. I shouldn't have made your only (false) argument go *poof* then :)

[QUOTE="LastRambo341"][QUOTE="Desmonic"]

Again, no proof of anything, you are just making assumptions lol Weak, really weak bro. Try harder.

Just because they managed to get it running does not mean it runs well (look at Skyrim for the PS3 for example). So I ask again: where is your proof that it runs well, that it looks good, that it it plays, feels or looks anyhting like the original RE5? That it matches the Vita in power? What's that? You don't have any? Oh I'm sorry. I shouldn't have made your only (false) argument go *poof* then :)

Desmonic

Yeah you did. This whole thing started by you saying that just because they managed to run RE5 on the 3DS the gap is is not that big (aka it matches the Vita's power) lol As if that actually proves anything at all :lol: :lol:

And more evading lol Gotta love defeated cyber-trolls :lol: You can try to act all high and mighty as you want, just to make you look like you don't care at all, make you look cool. Truth is, if you really didn't care you wouldn't have posted here in the first place, and neither would still cling to the same ridiculous argument over and over :lol:

[QUOTE="LastRambo341"][QUOTE="Desmonic"]

Yeah you did. This whole thing started by you saying that just because they managed to run RE5 on the 3DS the gap is is not that big (aka it matches the Vita's power) lol As if that actually proves anything at all :lol: :lol:

And more evading lol Gotta love defeated cyber-trolls :lol: You can try to act all high and mighty as you want, just to make you look like you don't care at all, make you look cool. Truth is, if you really didn't care you wouldn't have posted here in the first place, and neither would still cling to the same ridiculous argument over and over :lol:

Desmonic

Hahaha, oh my look at little delusional you :) Posting on a gaming forum ( a sort of harcore one at that) and calling other users nerds :lol: And just look at you! You even have more posts than me :lol: Guess you have more "e-credibility" than me then? lol

I know it sucks when your proven wrong, but pouting like a 9 year old won't do you much good :) Also using your own retarded logic: I do what I want on the internet. And I just proved you wrong. You know, just for fun :lol:

Btw, thank you for proving my previous posts right hahahah :lol:

[QUOTE="LastRambo341"][QUOTE="Desmonic"] Ah the evading weak answer. Typical of blind haters when they see their only argument shattered. If your not ready for the fire, don't play with it son ;)

Desmonic

Again, no proof of anything, you are just making assumptions lol Weak, really weak bro. Try harder.

Just because they managed to get it running does not mean it runs well (look at Skyrim for the PS3 for example). So I ask again: where is your proof that it runs well, that it looks good, that it it plays, feels or looks anyhting like the original RE5? That it matches the Vita in power? What's that? You don't have any? Oh I'm sorry. I shouldn't have made your only (false) argument go *poof* then :)

Capcom = Bethseda (a group known for their glitchy games) now?

Yes because running a game at anything less than a playable framerate would impress Ono right?

It's called PR.

Given the disparity between the HD consoles and the 3DS, Resident Evil 5 would have had to have been pared down immensely in a multitude of ways to run, if it did run at more than a slideshow - which is presumably why we'll never see RE5 running on the 3DS. As noted earlier the consoles push over 10x the polygons and have 4x the pixel fill rate.

Even with video of Yakuza and Metal Gear Solid 4 tech demoes running in real time on the PSV, people should be under no illusions it's nowhere near as powerful. Any implication that the 3DS could run the HD twins games without severe compromise is even greater folly.

[QUOTE="ugoo18"]

[QUOTE="Desmonic"]

Again, no proof of anything, you are just making assumptions lol Weak, really weak bro. Try harder.

Just because they managed to get it running does not mean it runs well (look at Skyrim for the PS3 for example). So I ask again: where is your proof that it runs well, that it looks good, that it it plays, feels or looks anyhting like the original RE5? That it matches the Vita in power? What's that? You don't have any? Oh I'm sorry. I shouldn't have made your only (false) argument go *poof* then :)

Desmonic

Capcom = Bethseda (a group known for their glitchy games) now?

Yes because running a game at anything less than a playable framerate would impress Ono right?

Again, only he saw it. We never saw anything. Only he ( and the people who made the port) know what it looks like, what it played like and whether or not it just served as way to test if their engine could work on the 3DS.

Until we get proof, concrete proof, I'm free to assume it didn't run very well (or else I think at least some pics would have been released along with said announcement) just like some of you are free to claim it runs perfectly well. I mean think about. RE5 running on the 3DS would be great for Ninty (would mean the 3DS is stronger than we think) and for Capcom (would mean they have good enough programmers to port such a game to 3DS). I would expect some pics in the very least to come along with it, if all went well with the port.

Yet, that fact that they got it running on the 3DS does not mean it equals in power to the Vita ( like some idiots were claiming). And a great example that running =/= playable/running well is Skyrim. Did not claim Capcom = Bethesda however.

Of course their not equals in power however the difference between the 2 is less than last gen between the PSP and the DS.

The Skyrim example is not applicable to this, Bethseda are crappy PS3 devs. Fallout on the PS3 if i remember correctly had similar problems as well. Capcom on the other hand are overall far better devs (Their games aren't as bogged down with glitches as Bethseda).

The absolute minimum in terms of how it could look and run would be Mercenaries (And that was a game that was obviously rushed, the only Capcom games so far on the 3DS that has not been rushed is Revelations and MHTriG and both show the difference in quality between a rushed game and one that wasn't. SSFIV3DS was rushed as well).

Capcom = Bethseda (a group known for their glitchy games) now?

Yes because running a game at anything less than a playable framerate would impress Ono right?

ugoo18

If you've seen Re: M and Dead Rising: Chop till you drop you would know that Capcom have a tendency to release awful versions of much more impressive games.

We do know one thing. They claim that they managed to make RE5 run on the 3DS. In which capacity we don't know. We do however know that after that they developed RE:R which looks really good but far from Vita good. It's pretty clear that they used RE5 to test the 3DS in what it can and can't do and Revelations is the fruit of that.

I really don't see how that could translate to "OMG, they made RE5 run on the 3DS. The 3DS is a powerful as the PS3/360 and probably beats the Vita!!!" like a lot of Nintendo fanboys have done so far.

[QUOTE="ugoo18"]

[QUOTE="Desmonic"]

Again, only he saw it. We never saw anything. Only he ( and the people who made the port) know what it looks like, what it played like and whether or not it just served as way to test if their engine could work on the 3DS.

Until we get proof, concrete proof, I'm free to assume it didn't run very well (or else I think at least some pics would have been released along with said announcement) just like some of you are free to claim it runs perfectly well. I mean think about. RE5 running on the 3DS would be great for Ninty (would mean the 3DS is stronger than we think) and for Capcom (would mean they have good enough programmers to port such a game to 3DS). I would expect some pics in the very least to come along with it, if all went well with the port.

Yet, that fact that they got it running on the 3DS does not mean it equals in power to the Vita ( like some idiots were claiming). And a great example that running =/= playable/running well is Skyrim. Did not claim Capcom = Bethesda however.

Desmonic

Of course their not equals in power however the difference between the 2 is less than last gen between the PSP and the DS.

The Skyrim example is not applicable to this, Bethseda are crappy PS3 devs. Fallout on the PS3 if i remember correctly had similar problems as well. Capcom on the other hand are overall far better devs (Their games aren't as bogged down with glitches as Bethseda).

The absolute minimum in terms of how it could look and run would be Mercenaries (And that was a game that was obviously rushed, the only Capcom games so far on the 3DS that has not been rushed is Revelations and MHTriG and both show the difference in quality between a rushed game and one that wasn't. SSFIV3DS was rushed as well).

I'm not comparing devs. I'm just saying that a dev saying a game runs on X platform does not mean it runs well. Crysis on the consoles, Bayonetta PS3, Dragon Age: Origin on consoles, Skyrim, Fallout and more are examples of that. Especially when a dev claims that a game like RE5 runs on the 3DS, yet shows no actual evidence of it running, I can't really assume it's running well or that it is in any playable form.

How do we know that?We never saw RE5 running on the 3DS. For all we know it could look far worse than Mercenaries ( what I think) or it could look leap and bounds better than Mercenaries and even Revelation ( what other people think).

[QUOTE="ugoo18"]

Capcom = Bethseda (a group known for their glitchy games) now?

Yes because running a game at anything less than a playable framerate would impress Ono right?

JLF1MarkII

If you've seen Re: M and Dead Rising: Chop till you drop you would know that Capcom have a tendency to release awful versions of much more impressive games.

We do know one thing. They claim that they managed to make RE5 run on the 3DS. In which capacity we don't know. We do however know that after that they developed RE:R which looks really good but far from Vita good. It's pretty clear that they used RE5 to test the 3DS in what it can and can't do and Revelations is the fruit of that.

I really don't see how that could translate to "OMG, they made RE5 run on the 3DS. The 3DS is a powerful as the PS3/360 and probably beats the Vita!!!" like a lot of Nintendo fanboys have done so far.

1) Mercenaries 3D is much better than the Mercenaries than RE4 and 5 due to depth. DR Wii used the RE4 engine, it would make sense to compare it to RE4 more than the original. The port was actually good nontheless.

2) That is not what Nintendo fanboys said. The 3DS isn't stronger/as strong than the 360/ps3/vita. The point of the article that I provided is that the 3DS is a lot more powerful than what the Vita fanboys think

Well I do own a 3ds an my roommate owns a PSvita, an a 3ds. We both understand specs an know the Vita has a good chunk more horse power then the 3ds, but Re:R looks great demo or not, 3d on full or not.

People exaggerate to much on here, until I see a game that looks way better the Vita is nothing more then a pirate totem to the internet. It once again will not be popular outside of modding communities and w/e monster hunter it gets in Japan. I will be buying one later rather then sooner, an I should have also waited till mario kart 7 came out to buy my 3ds as OoT was not what I bought the system for, but alas all I got until then.

SF4 3d also very good looking despite hating the game myself.

3DS is where its at

Not as massive as the ds to psp power gap but quite big.However there are not game types that the 3ds cannot handle as the psp had gta(proper) and monster hunter but the ds just didnt have the power to handle those games.china town wars was great but no as good as the psp gtas.

1) Mercenaries 3D is much better than the Mercenaries than RE4 and 5 due to depth. DR Wii used the RE4 engine, it would make sense to compare it to RE4 more than the original. The port was actually good nontheless.

2) That is not what Nintendo fanboys said. The 3DS isn't stronger/as strong than the 360/ps3/vita. The point of the article that I provided is that the 3DS is a lot more powerful than what the Vita fanboys think

LastRambo341

1) In content yes, in performance it's awful in comparison.

2) The article doesn't do that though. All it said was that Capcom had RE5 running on the 3DS, nothing more, nothing less. It's you who translated that to "The 3DS is more power than what Vita fans think".

Here's a question for you. If they did get a game like RE5 to run much better than what we have seen so far then why aren't RE:R more impressive? Why would they not take advantage of the hardware if they could? Or could is simply be that you are jumping to conclusion? Hell, you even made a deal about the engine even though every 3DS game from capcom is using it.:lol: That is , the mobile version of the engine and not the console version which you seem to think. ;)

@JLF1Mark11

Gameplay ****of Re5 =/= Revelations

RE5 is more of a shooter, Revelations isn't.

@JLF1Mark11

Gameplay ****of Re5 =/= Revelations

RE5 is more of a shooter, Revelations isn't.

LastRambo341

What has gameplay to do with graphics? And Revelation is basically RE4 with less enemies on the screen, it's far from the old RE games in gameplay.

Again, if they managed to make RE5 run smoothly on the 3DS then why didn't RE:R turn out much better if the system is capable of if? It's not like RE:R is more complicated so they had to scale it back. It's smaller, shorter, have worse AI, less enemies on screen, worse framrate, worse textures, worse character models, worse and much smaller environments than RE5. Are you telling that the fact that RE5 is more of a shooter than RE:R is the reason why RE:R isn't technically more impressive?

At the end of the day the only that matter is that RE:R is the most impressive 3DS games and it looks far from the best Vita games. Until a better looking 3DS game is shown then that is fact.

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[QUOTE="LastRambo341"]

@JLF1Mark11

Gameplay ****of Re5 =/= Revelations

RE5 is more of a shooter, Revelations isn't.

JLF1MarkII

What has gameplay to do with graphics? And Revelation is basically RE4 with less enemies on the screen, it's far from the old RE games in gameplay.

Again, if they managed to make RE5 run smoothly on the 3DS then why didn't RE:R turn out much better if the system is capable of if? It's not like RE:R is more complicated so they had to scale it back. It's smaller, shorter, have worse AI, less enemies on screen, worse framrate, worse textures, worse character models, worse and much smaller environments than RE5. Are you telling that the fact that RE5 is more of a shooter than RE:R is the reason why RE:R isn't technically more impressive?

At the end of the day the only that matter is that RE:R is the most impressive 3DS games and it looks far from the best Vita games. Until a better looking 3DS game is shown then that is fact.

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The true potential of a platform comes after 2 or 3 years it is out in the market. If Revelations is what it is for the 3DS' first year, then imagine what happens in the future? Same for the Vita.