How can a console with highest failure rate in history considered success ?

[QUOTE="2mrw"][QUOTE="tubbyc"]

Actually, the Xbox beat the Gamecube in sales (though not by many millions). On the other hand, the Xbox lost MS billions, whereas the Xbox 360 is making them money, so that emphasises even more how much of a success it is, beside selling a lot more.

Ravensmash

i say, we need to wait to say if the PS3 is a failure commercially .... but on the value side, it's excelling. no it doesn't have to sell 50-60% by now, it isn't like we are in the mid cycle, it should be 75 million exactly, if it's 74.999.999 then it's a failue .... consoles sell the most when they are cheap enough, look at the x360 price tag 199$ or even 150$.

1. Because it sells well

2. Because MS is making a profit on it

3. Because it has a great library of games (arguably the best of any console this generation)

4. Because it has a great online service.

Take your pick.

Oh, and saying the Xbox 360's failure rate is 50% without any hard evidence isn't going to help your claim much.

so exactly what would you accept as fact? squaretrades sample of 1000 360s?

theycame up with a tested 16.4% falure rate back in 2008.

still junk but like i have said a pile of times here before i did not get all upset over it because it was sony that trained me to accept insanely high defect rates with the ps1 and ps2.

http://s4.zetaboards.com/Whip_Ass_Gaming/topic/454100/1/

[QUOTE="Ravensmash"][QUOTE="2mrw"] it's about standards. MS standard was very very very low, 4 year console with 25 million unit sold ( which i had btw and i enjoyed it alot). But Sony's standard is the highest of all time, 10 year console with 150 million unit sold, and people think the PS3 can beat that in 4 years ..... what a joke?!2mrw

i say, we need to wait to say if the PS3 is a failure commercially .... but on the value side, it's excelling. no it doesn't have to sell 50-60% by now, it isn't like we are in the mid cycle, it should be 75 million exactly, if it's 74.999.999 then it's a failue .... consoles sell the most when they are cheap enough, look at the x360 price tag 199$ or even 150$.

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

so exactly what would you accept as fact? squaretrades sample of 1000 360s?

theycame up with a tested 16.4% falure rate back in 2008.

still junk but like i have said a pile of times here before i did not get all upset over it because it was sony that trained me to accept insanely high defect rates with the ps1 and ps2.

http://s4.zetaboards.com/Whip_Ass_Gaming/topic/454100/1/

2mrw

does it make you question your thought processes at all or how you conduct your arguments?

if that is all you have to bring to the table i think there is not much point in going on.

So what you're saying is, that 360 has been a huge success for MS, whilst the PS3 has been a huge disappointment? I mean, it should have sold 45-60 million by now right?Ravensmash

i say, we need to wait to say if the PS3 is a failure commercially .... but on the value side, it's excelling. no it doesn't have to sell 50-60% by now, it isn't like we are in the mid cycle, it should be 75 million exactly, if it's 74.999.999 then it's a failue .... consoles sell the most when they are cheap enough, look at the x360 price tag 199$ or even 150$.

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

so exactly what would you accept as fact? squaretrades sample of 1000 360s?

theycame up with a tested 16.4% falure rate back in 2008.

still junk but like i have said a pile of times here before i did not get all upset over it because it was sony that trained me to accept insanely high defect rates with the ps1 and ps2.

http://s4.zetaboards.com/Whip_Ass_Gaming/topic/454100/1/

shinrabanshou

Also SquareTrade is logically likely to underestimate the failure rate of the 360, while overestimating the failure rate of the Wii and PS3.

I doubt the failure rate was ever 50% though, although I wouldn't doubt the claim that it has had the highest failure rate of any console.

[QUOTE="2mrw"][QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

so exactly what would you accept as fact? squaretrades sample of 1000 360s?

theycame up with a tested 16.4% falure rate back in 2008.

still junk but like i have said a pile of times here before i did not get all upset over it because it was sony that trained me to accept insanely high defect rates with the ps1 and ps2.

http://s4.zetaboards.com/Whip_Ass_Gaming/topic/454100/1/

does it make you question your thought processes at all or how you conduct your arguments?

if that is all you have to bring to the table i think there is not much point in going on.

Guys .... my OP is very clear, we all know the x360 failure rate reached more than 50% at some time ..... which is higher than any console ever, may be any machine ever.

Wii also brings money, PS3 is starting is bring money :D, but the x360 value is just too crappy to put it in any credible lists of good consoles.

2mrw

No we dont know that, noone except for MS knows what the actual failure rate was, everything else is a guess. PS2 had a similar fiasco it didnt stop it from being a runaway success last gen.

Its a fantastic console because it has fantastic games, and it sits right up there with the best of them, including the PS2 etc.

[QUOTE="2mrw"]

Guys .... my OP is very clear, we all know the x360 failure rate reached more than 50% at some time ..... which is higher than any console ever, may be any machine ever.

Wii also brings money, PS3 is starting is bring money :D, but the x360 value is just too crappy to put it in any credible lists of good consoles.

Snugenz

No we dont know that, noone except for MS knows what the actual failure rate was, everything else is a guess. PS2 had a similar fiasco it didnt stop it from being a runaway success last gen.

Its a fantastic console because it has fantastic games, and it sits right up there with the best of them, including the PS2 etc.

360 is crap and we all know it (its hardware sucks) 20/60/80 gb ps3 hardware also aint that great (it crap too)

However there games are exellent

[QUOTE="Snugenz"]

[QUOTE="2mrw"]

Guys .... my OP is very clear, we all know the x360 failure rate reached more than 50% at some time ..... which is higher than any console ever, may be any machine ever.

Wii also brings money, PS3 is starting is bring money :D, but the x360 value is just too crappy to put it in any credible lists of good consoles.

Foliage-King

No we dont know that, noone except for MS knows what the actual failure rate was, everything else is a guess. PS2 had a similar fiasco it didnt stop it from being a runaway success last gen.

Its a fantastic console because it has fantastic games, and it sits right up there with the best of them, including the PS2 etc.

[QUOTE="Foliage-King"][QUOTE="Snugenz"]

No we dont know that, noone except for MS knows what the actual failure rate was, everything else is a guess. PS2 had a similar fiasco it didnt stop it from being a runaway success last gen.

Its a fantastic console because it has fantastic games, and it sits right up there with the best of them, including the PS2 etc.

The_Game21x

Calling ps2s problem similar is like comparing a rock to a mountain

[QUOTE="Foliage-King"][QUOTE="Snugenz"]

No we dont know that, noone except for MS knows what the actual failure rate was, everything else is a guess. PS2 had a similar fiasco it didnt stop it from being a runaway success last gen.

Its a fantastic console because it has fantastic games, and it sits right up there with the best of them, including the PS2 etc.

The_Game21x

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DRE (low) YLOD moderate RROD (high)

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"][QUOTE="Foliage-King"]

Calling ps2s problem similar is like comparing a rock to a mountain 2mrw

225,000 results in google for dre ps2

5,110,000 results in google for rrod 360

[QUOTE="2mrw"][QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

lulz, boy things never change do they, go ahead and read this you will get a kick out of the responces.

http://forums.ngemu.com/hardware-discussion/18992-howly-crap-ps2-defect-rate-30-40-percent.html

:lol: Like the 50% failure you posted?! Do you realize what you just did?

[QUOTE="2mrw"][QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

lulz, boy things never change do they, go ahead and read this you will get a kick out of the responces.

http://forums.ngemu.com/hardware-discussion/18992-howly-crap-ps2-defect-rate-30-40-percent.html

R3FURBISHED

:lol: Like the 50% failure you posted?! Do you realize what you just did?

Only lems disagree with the 50%

Everyone else knows its true if not too low.

Except that it's not. :? The PS2's problems weren't as significant as the 360s but please don't try to make them seem miniscule in comparison. The_Game21x

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"][QUOTE="Foliage-King"]

Calling ps2s problem similar is like comparing a rock to a mountain 2mrw

It wasnt as bad but it was very very close, close enough for Sony to get sued and lose over it. Because of that fiasco any hardware issue with consoles nowadays are made a big deal of ...

Anyway maybe you two were a bit too young to remember. But i most certainly do remember and back then i barely ever touched the internet, so everything i heard was word of mouth.

[QUOTE="R3FURBISHED"]

[QUOTE="2mrw"] lol, sure, coz some random poster on some random forum said so ......... Amen brother.2mrw

:lol: Like the 50% failure you posted?! Do you realize what you just did?

225,000 results in google for dre ps2

5,110,000 results in google for rrod 360

Foliage-King

Haha "teh proofs" !!

You do realise that prooves absolutely nothing right ?

[QUOTE="Foliage-King"]

225,000 results in google for dre ps2

5,110,000 results in google for rrod 360

Snugenz

Haha "teh proofs" !!

You do realise that prooves absolutely nothing right ?

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"][QUOTE="2mrw"] i never heard of them as much as the x360, if at all .......... any links, surveys, i can give you tons on X360's.

2mrw

I never said it was as high as the 360s. In fact, I blatantly stated that the PS2's problems weren't as bad as the 360s. :|

But if you want links, sure.

Ars Technica

Eurogamer

Gamasutra

If you want more, I'll be happy to oblige.

[QUOTE="2mrw"][QUOTE="R3FURBISHED"]

:lol: Like the 50% failure you posted?! Do you realize what you just did?

Why has this thread gone on so long? :|

1. This problem has been fixed for the new consoles.

2. Games is what ultimately makes a console sucessful.

[QUOTE="2mrw"][QUOTE="The_Game21x"] As can I in regards to the PS2. It was a pretty widely publicized problem last gen. The_Game21x

I never said it was as high as the 360s. In fact, I blatantly stated that the PS2's problems weren't as bad as the 360s. :|

But if you want links, sure.

Ars Technica

Eurogamer

Gamasutra

If you want more, I'll be happy to oblige.

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

[QUOTE="2mrw"] http://www.destructoid.com/new-survey-puts-xbox-360-failure-rate-at-42--171088.phtml http://techrights.org/2009/08/18/microsoft-exodus-insider i lost count of how many times i posted these links?? plzz people , read the other posts, i can give you more :D. why are you acting like you are trying to deny, it's wel known now tha x360 fialure rate is beyond anything else.2mrw

You're the one making the claim that the 360's failure rate is 50% so the burden of proof is on you.

The only thing I'm waiting for you to do is to prove your claim correct beyond a reasonable doubt and linking me to the results of surveys is not helping.

1. This problem has been fixed for the new consoles.

2. Games is what ultimately makes a console sucessful.

[QUOTE="XboximusPrime"]

1. This problem has been fixed for the new consoles.

2. Games is what ultimately makes a console sucessful.

2mrw

Spreadsheet

A game with a good score is more often than not going to be a good game.

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

[QUOTE="2mrw"] Do it, i bet they will never reach as high as the x360 failure rate.2mrw

I never said it was as high as the 360s. In fact, I blatantly stated that the PS2's problems weren't as bad as the 360s. :|

But if you want links, sure.

Ars Technica

Eurogamer

Gamasutra

If you want more, I'll be happy to oblige.

[QUOTE="2mrw"][QUOTE="XboximusPrime"]

1. This problem has been fixed for the new consoles.

2. Games is what ultimately makes a console sucessful.

Spreadsheet

A game with a good score is more often than not going to be a good game.

[QUOTE="2mrw"][QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

I never said it was as high as the 360s. In fact, I blatantly stated that the PS2's problems weren't as bad as the 360s. :|

But if you want links, sure.

Ars Technica

Eurogamer

Gamasutra

If you want more, I'll be happy to oblige.

Ravensmash

if you read the OP, you would know where i was coming from ..... it was Price/value arguement in the first place, then it progressed to what you are seeing now.

still, subjective :D .......... i dun think a pro list for best consoles of all time would use THIS exact spreadsheet.2mrw

We can use Metacritic then.

They would the same results.

The 360 is a success. Accept it.

[QUOTE="Snugenz"]

[QUOTE="Foliage-King"]

225,000 results in google for dre ps2

5,110,000 results in google for rrod 360

Foliage-King

Haha "teh proofs" !!

You do realise that prooves absolutely nothing right ?

It proves that the 360 is newer and more talked about recently, yay ! >_>

I'm really not the one ignoring facts here buddy.

[QUOTE="2mrw"][QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

I never said it was as high as the 360s. In fact, I blatantly stated that the PS2's problems weren't as bad as the 360s. :|

But if you want links, sure.

Ars Technica

Eurogamer

Gamasutra

If you want more, I'll be happy to oblige.

Ravensmash

its a failure because MS did the right thing in repairing the broken consoles for free and extending the warrenty AND refunding the money people had already paid on console repairs while last gen sony did NOTHING to rectify the situation aside from letting owners buy a new system. the xbox fails because MS did the right thing with it in being a responsible company...

[QUOTE="shinrabanshou"]

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

so exactly what would you accept as fact? squaretrades sample of 1000 360s?

theycame up with a tested 16.4% falure rate back in 2008.

still junk but like i have said a pile of times here before i did not get all upset over it because it was sony that trained me to accept insanely high defect rates with the ps1 and ps2.

http://s4.zetaboards.com/Whip_Ass_Gaming/topic/454100/1/

Riverwolf007

Also SquareTrade is logically likely to underestimate the failure rate of the 360, while overestimating the failure rate of the Wii and PS3.

I doubt the failure rate was ever 50% though, although I wouldn't doubt the claim that it has had the highest failure rate of any console.

[QUOTE="Ravensmash"][QUOTE="2mrw"] :? .... That's all??, a law suit against Sony for an error, you know, every company has couple of those ........ if everyone sued MS for its faulty hardware, then it would go bankrupt long time ago, free fixing and long warranty solved this problem, but it also shows how serious and common it is.2mrw

if you read the OP, you would know where i was coming from ..... it was Price/value arguement in the first place, then it progressed to what you are seeing now.

[QUOTE="Foliage-King"][QUOTE="Snugenz"]

Haha "teh proofs" !!

You do realise that prooves absolutely nothing right ?

It proves that the 360 is newer and more talked about recently, yay ! >_>

I'm really not the one ignoring facts here buddy.

[QUOTE="2mrw"][QUOTE="XboximusPrime"]

1. This problem has been fixed for the new consoles.

2. Games is what ultimately makes a console sucessful.

Silverbond

Spreadsheet

A game with a good score is more often than not going to be a good game.

games are subjective.2mrw

Spreadsheet

A game with a good score is more often than not going to be a good game.

[QUOTE="Foliage-King"][QUOTE="Snugenz"]

Haha "teh proofs" !!

You do realise that prooves absolutely nothing right ?

Snugenz

It proves that the 360 is newer and more talked about recently, yay ! >_>

I'm really not the one ignoring facts here buddy.

[QUOTE="Silverbond"]

[QUOTE="2mrw"] games are subjective.Foliage-King

Spreadsheet

A game with a good score is more often than not going to be a good game.