How can Famitsu be taken seriously when they gave FF13 39/40?

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#1 jhcho2
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The average critic score right now is only 8.4. According to Famitsu, FF13 is worth a 9.7

How can anyone ever take them seriously from now on? I mean, a 9.0 ie. 36/40 would perhaps be more acceptable. 39/40 is a near perfect score. To give a game with so many shortcomings an almost perfect score is just ridiculous.

I always considered them to be biased, but now i know for sure they really are.

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#2 spookykid143
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It's there opinion they can give it whatever they want.

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#3 WilliamRLBaker
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1. its an opinion.

2. Famitsu allways gives high scores.

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#4 Valiant_Rebel
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I guess you shouldn't let their opinion burn you. It's just a number.

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#5 LongZhiZi
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The truth is, Famitsu hasn't been credible for quite a while. It's true they used to be a rather hardcore mag- earning high 30s or a 40 was a rare and exceptional feat. Now they hand out those scores like candy. I don't know whether FFXIII is worthy of such a high score or not, but there's PLENTY of other games that certainly don't that Famitsu gave similar scores to. I think it's rather hilarious now when people cite Famitsu scores to hype a game now.
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#6 funsohng
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[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

1. its an opinion.

2. Famitsu allways gives high scores. on SE games

fixed.
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#7 Zanoh
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By that same logic:

HOW DARE THE US GAME PUBLICATION MAKE GTA IV THE HIGHEST RATED GAME OF ALL TIME!

My view: It's their opinion, and in my opinion almost all publications lost all credibility.

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#8 razgriz_101
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Dunno....ever looked at Japanese game tastes of that to a western game player...Culture and ideology are a big reason behind them

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#9 zarshack
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Different tastes?

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#10 Gxgear
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Why do people get so upset over review scores they don't agree with?

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#11 hakanakumono
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Dengeki said they wanted to give it 120/100.

It was voted the greatest game of all time by Famitsu readers.

It also ranked 2nd in Dengeki.

It has an average rating of about 90% from users reviews on Rakuten, a more reliable website than amazon.jp.

Maybe it's that it was just well received in Japan?

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#12 Cherokee_Jack
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I don't think anyone does take them seriously. It's common knowledge how slimy their review philosophies are.
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#13 Kimbo_Slyce
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Different tastes?

zarshack

East and West look for completley different things in their games in order to deem them "good" where something like graphics that people whore in the West arent as important in Japan. Well not COMPLETELY DIFFERENT but...aaah you get the picture.

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#14 Kimbo_Slyce
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Why do people get so upset over review scores they don't agree with?

Gxgear

I know man. Its digusting. I didnt (and still dont) think that Fallout 3 dserved its critical acclaim...but you dont see me bashing any publications that gave it its sterling review grades

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#15 WilliamRLBaker
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[QUOTE="funsohng"][QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

1. its an opinion.

2. Famitsu allways gives high scores. on SE games

fixed.

actually no, they all ways give high scores left and right, Famitsu gives em out like candy and they are known for that now its not just SE games.
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#16 SuperSonny2
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Kimbo is right. American games historically don't sell as well in Japan as they do here. Since were arguing about FF, they even released Final Fantasy Mystic Quest which was targeted(however poorly) at the American gamer. I don't remember if it's true or not, but I think they just called Final Fantasy USA in Japan. As far as the ratings go, I think you can say the topic about any review site. I've played games that are rated 9's and hated them, and played games critics give a 4 or 5 and think they were great. A lot of it is personal preference, but if it's a Japanese game review site, I can see how it got such a high rating. Almost every American game review site hands out high scores to the American flagship games when they don't always deserve them.
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#17 Kori-san
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Maybe because its a good game? Why would you want every Final Fantasy to be the same? Boring much?

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#18 funsohng
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[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"][QUOTE="funsohng"][QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

1. its an opinion.

2. Famitsu allways gives high scores. on SE games

fixed.

actually no, they all ways give high scores left and right, Famitsu gives em out like candy and they are known for that now its not just SE games.

ridiculously high ones (that are just downright unjust) are mostly SE and Nintendo games. there are others, true. then again, they do give out 30's like candies nowadays
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#19 tarzanell
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Famitsu rides the hype train. Always has, always will.
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#20 _Pedro_
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[QUOTE="LongZhiZi"] It's true they used to be a rather hardcore mag- earning high 30s or a 40 was a rare and exceptional feat. Now they hand out those scores like candy.

and how is that different from the vast majority of american reviewers?
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#21 caryslan2
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Ok, for the last time, a review is nothing more than a person's opinion on how good a product is. As with all opinions, they differ from person to person.

Famitsu has not suddenly lost creditably just because their reviewers gave FF XIII a 39/40. In their eyes, they felt Final Fantasy XIII deserved the score that it got by the standards that they judged it by. They did not fall victim to a hype machine, they were not bribed by Square Enix, and they did not hand out scores to appease their readers or fans of the series.

People seem to forget that a review is a person's opinion, not a stated fact that should be followed blindly or attacked at every turn. For every person who thinks XIII is the worst game in the series, there are pleanty more who think highly of the game and maybe even consider the best title in the series. Both groups have formed opinions about the game, but neither has the right to call out the other just because they don't agree.

A major issue is that some people treat reviews as the gospel and the second a review fails to tie into their perception of a title, they start attacking the reviewer. If a game is too highly rated in their opinion, they start accusing the reviewer of being bought off, falling into a hype train, or simply handing out high scores to appease fans or their readers.

Final Fantasy XIII is not going to please everyone, that much should be expected. Hell,you could take the greatest movies or video games of all time and there will be the detractors who claim OOT was nothing more than a POS game that has aged poorly over the years.

Reviews are nothing more than a person's opinion. At the end of the day, not everyone will agree with the scores that are given, but just because someone disagrees does not mean their points are suddenly less valid.

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#22 fenwickhotmail
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It's called an opinion.
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#23 Kashiwaba
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Different taste?

anyway this is more important as what someone said before me

HOW DARE THE US GAME PUBLICATION MAKE GTA IV THE HIGHEST RATED GAME OF ALL TIME!

and its the worst game in the series ==.

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#24 badtaker
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Halo ODST got 9.0 from gamespot :P
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#25 fueled-system
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oh my god how can people not understand that it is THEIR OWN OPINION. And it is a very good game anyway... it has the best battle system of any final fantasy game.

But the haters will keep hating and hating for no reason

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#26 nintendo-4life
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it's more than just an 8.4 though, so i'll have to say there is underrating as well as overrating. None can be taken seroiusly
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#27 doobie1975
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people mock EDGE for its scores. but famitsu is so much worse

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#29 Bigboi500
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I'm playing it now and unless something drastically bad happens before I finish it I'm gonna rate it very high myself. It's a wonderful game so far. Why get so caught up in personal opinions?

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#30 mgkennedy5
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That's why sites like Metacritic and Gamerankings exist, so we can have an average score. There will always be scores that we think are rated too high or too low, but it's just an opinion
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#31 ValerianRoot
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The Japanese give any JRPG regardless of quality a high score. Just look at Infinite Undiscovery's 32/40, Blue Dragon's 37/40,
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#32 ValerianRoot
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oh my god how can people not understand that it is THEIR OWN OPINION. And it is a very good game anyway... it has the best battle system of any final fantasy game.

But the haters will keep hating and hating for no reason

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It's not just their own opinion. This their own biased, nationalistic, Japanese-can-do-no-wrong opinion.
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#33 110million
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How can Edge be taken seriously when they gave FFXIII 5/10? :|
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#34 Kashiwaba
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The Japanese give any JRPG regardless of quality a high score. Just look at Infinite Undiscovery's 32/40, Blue Dragon's 37/40, ValerianRoot

WKC got 29/30 so no not always.

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#35 fabz_95
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What do you mean how can they be taken seriously?

It's their opinion. Plus, it's not like it's an outrageously high score. It's not like they went out and gave Big Rigs 39/40. Final Fantasy 13 is a great game, sure it may have an average of 8.4 but there are bound to be scores that are much higher than the average (Famitsu's 39/40) and there are bound to be scores that are much lower than the average (Edge, 5/10).

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#36 fenwickhotmail
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How can Edge be taken seriously when they gave FFXIII 5/10? :|110million
I find it my most credible source; reading the reviews is a lot more important than reading the scores, but many people cant seem to do this.
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#37 110million
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[QUOTE="110million"]How can Edge be taken seriously when they gave FFXIII 5/10? :|fenwickhotmail
I find it my most credible source; reading the reviews is a lot more important than reading the scores, but many people cant seem to do this.

I read it, the score didn't change at the end, its still wrong. Mathematics proved Edge to be biased, and no one in the universe can argue math.
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#38 fenwickhotmail
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[QUOTE="fenwickhotmail"][QUOTE="110million"]How can Edge be taken seriously when they gave FFXIII 5/10? :|110million
I find it my most credible source; reading the reviews is a lot more important than reading the scores, but many people cant seem to do this.

its still wrong.

So a review is not subjective? *leaves*
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#39 Shewgenja
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Personally, I think the game deserved that score. All the hatred for the game aside due to console wars, as a game into itself it is way way better than most of the stuff out there. People should relax and play the game on its own merit. It's a superb title!

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#40 110million
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[QUOTE="110million"][QUOTE="fenwickhotmail"] I find it my most credible source; reading the reviews is a lot more important than reading the scores, but many people cant seem to do this.fenwickhotmail
its still wrong.

So a review is not subjective? *leaves*

Not when you give a highly rated game a low score, it means they were obviously offended by something minor, and expanded nitpicks into the extremes, the game is flawed, but those flaws shoulden't mean it only gets half of its possible score. Its obvious Edge was aiming for hits.
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#41 Ratchet_Fan8
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they gave haze a what? 39?37?34?
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#42 Caseytappy
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It's Famitsu !

They are paid by developers to review their game , i am not making this up , just look it up yourself because it's not a secret .

They are not paid for a certain score though but usually rate games rather high compared to other reviewers .

Edited for the noobs :


http://kotaku.com/222494/famitsu-for-beginners

It's the Japanese way of rating with respect for the fans although the games sometimes sucks .

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#43 foxhound_fox
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1. It is just an opinion.
2. How can you take an opinion "seriously"?

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#44 MadVybz
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This is exactly why I hate scores.

They completely defeat what the purpose of a review is supposed to be - tell you about the game.

If scores didn't exist, there wouldn't be pointless threads such as these, because people just can't grasp the concept of subjectivity.

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#45 MadVybz
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1. It is just an opinion.
2. How can you take an opinion "seriously"?

foxhound_fox

I see you've embraced PoP 2008 quite well. :P

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#46 MadVybz
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[QUOTE="fenwickhotmail"][QUOTE="110million"]its still wrong. 110million
So a review is not subjective? *leaves*

Not when you give a highly rated game a low score, it means they were obviously offended by something minor, and expanded nitpicks into the extremes, the game is flawed, but those flaws shoulden't mean it only gets half of its possible score. Its obvious Edge was aiming for hits.

You just backed up his point with almost every word you just put in that post.

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#47 SaltyMeatballs
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SE probably paid them.
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#48 Caseytappy
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Not probably . it's Famitsu .

They are paid for the review .

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#49 foxhound_fox
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I see you've embraced PoP 2008 quite well. :P

MadVybz


Hey, its a good game and has some amazing art. I've always been in favour of having sigs made from the highest quality of art.

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#50 xTheExploited
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I have been ignoring Famitsu scores a lot lately. They have been giving out perfect scores and near perfect scores way too easily lately.