How could anyone buy a 360 knowing that it has 1/3 chance of being a dud?
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[QUOTE="Sihanouk"]Wow. Just wow. I now realize how bad fanboys can be. I understand if most lemmings here won't chastise Microsoft. But no one? Not a single lemming, if I had read correctly, has the integrity to admit that yes, Microsoft traps their customers by not informing them of the unusually high rate of RRoD. How hypocritical of Microsoft saying Sony is so bad for forcing their fans to pay for Blu-ray. At least Sony fans know about Blu-ray and have the option to buy the PS3 or not. Microsoft on the other is much worse; their average customers have no option to buy or not to buy because they were not informed of the RRoD. Sure, it would replace a broken console for a new one. That's not the point. The point is that Microsoft abuses their customers' trust. An average person goes to buy an electronics device assuming it's quality is around average. However, the quality of a 360 is way, way below average. 33% failure rate to me doesn't seem far off. Whatever the actual rate is, it must be so high that Microsoft refuses to give it out. Fanboys, can you see now that Microsoft disrespects their customers more than Sony does? I for one, hate the feeling of being trapped, of abusing my trust. Microsoft and the retailers should be fair about it. Let consumers know that at the moment the 360 has better games than the PS3. But also tell them about the RRoD. Then let them decide. If they buy it, then more power to the 360. Unless almost all 360 customers know about the RRoD, then I say Microsoft is winning in sales here in the US because it abuses their customers' trust. I should note that the 360 has pretty much lost the war in Japan. By summer, it should also start to lose in Europe.
Anyways, the problem of RRoD is NOT over. If it is, Microsoft and their minions would have run around like mad publicizing this fact. Don't make me lose respect for all lemmings here. Would at least one of you acknowledge that Microsoft, by not informing their average customers, has been abusing their customer's trust. Most hardcore players might not mind waiting a few weeks to get a new one, even if they have to call, wait, fill form, ship, and wait some more, possibly in the middle of a good game. On the other hand, some people would mind about the hassle. Some people would care about what happens after three years and then the RRoD comes. The point is, because the rate of failure is way, way above average, customers should be informed of this fact. Microsoft should not trap their customers by abusing their trust.
I ask again, lemmings, ONE of you at least acknowledge that yes, Microsoft has been abusing their customers' trust since thebeginning.Just one of you.
Holywarriortim
You know, this is the information age isn't it? What happened to people doing their own research about a product before buying it? With the internet only a click away, what about personal responsibility to do a little reading before buying? I do research before ANY major purchase, which for myself would be anything over a couple hundred dollars.
You know, one poster said earlier that no major corporation is gonna publicize failures of its products on it's merchandise. If you went to buy a car, does it have a list of all current recalls on the sticker? No....but if you were smart, you would do a little research on the car you want before you buy. It's the same with any product, whether it is a car, a dishwasher, a vacuum cleaner, or whatever....do your research, and if you find something alarming enough that you wouldn't want to buy it...DON'T BUY IT. And if you like that car enough, buy it anyway, even if it has a dozen recalls....research, freedom of choice, and personal responsibility...but it all comes down to choice. And if some want to buy a defective product because it brings them joy, then don't criticize. And if you unknowingly buy a defective product that you wouldn't have bought knowing it was defective, then it is your own fault for not doing the research.
I am finally off my soapbox. Sorry to ramble.
You sound reasonable enough. Sure, it's the consumer responsibility to do the reasearch before they buy. Still, a lot of people don't spend enough time to come across the RRoD, and sometimes, when they come across it, a lot of fanboys and Microsft FUDs would give them misinformation. On the other hand, it's also Microsoft's and the retailer's responsibilty to be fair to their customers. Amazon, for example has a notice on every Warner HD-DVD movie sold on their site, telling their customers that Warner no longer supports HD-DVD after May. Now that's fair! Amazon and other retailers should have a similar warning about the RRoD.
Anyways, I just have an issue with fanboys who say Sony was unfair to their customer buy forcing them to buy Blu-ray, while at the same time defending Microsoft's attempt to hide the real failure rate from the public. Again, Microsoft has been trapping their customers via an abuse of trust. I am still waiting for ONE lemmng to acknowledge this.
For the life of me I couldn't figure this out. It's been known for along while now, yet the 360 still sells well in the US. Sure, it has good games. But it's not like the PS3 or the Wii doesn't. What I wonder is: are consumers informed when they buy the 360 about the rate of Red Ring of Death? What a pain in the butt to have to call, fill form, package, send, wait, etc. I think if Gamestop, Best Buy, and other stores inform every 360 buyer about the rate of RRoD, the 360 would sell a lot less. Microsoft is being very dishonest by not admitting the rate of failure. When I read of lemmings here defending Microsoft, I don't understand how they cannot see that Microsoft is willing to make a 3rd of their customer go thru the troubles of RRoD. If they care so much about it, they would acknowledge the high failure rate. In fact, they should place a sticker on every 360 warning about the potential RRoD.Sihanouk
I completely agree. I had an old Xbox that was similarly unreliable (disc reading errors, constant freezing, etc... etc...)
When contemplating which system to purchase, I didn't even bother with the Xbox360 despite the great games and the outstanding online network. People say the most important thing is games. I disagree. For someone with limited time like me, I don't mind fewer games (obviously, there have to be some good ones. Or else there would be no point in owning that console). But the most important thing for me is to be able to pop in COD4 and have it run right when I want to play it considering I get home roughly once every 2 weeks if that.
Reliability + great graphics = only one system left standing.
Microsoft's failure rate is flat out unacceptable.
Because the rate the 360s are failing actually hasn't been plastered all over the news right? I don't know exactly what world you live in but in mine it has. The reason why people are still buying it is because of the games, the price, the friends who have it and I'm sure that the sales people tell the potential buyers about the 3 year warranty concerning the RRODBumFluff122
Sure, I agree that a lot of people (but not most) would still buy the 360 even after know all the facts about the 360. However, I totally, totally disagree with you sales people telling potential buyers about the RRoD. Wouldn't it be interesting to have someone do a study on salespeople about whether they inform potential customers or not. I feel quite sure that most sales people don't tell the buyers. Should they all do this, I am even more sure that the 360 would not sell as many consoles.
I just don't see how you can be more fair than admitting you have a problem, and extending the warranty three years to try to correct the problem. I have been gaming since the Pong days, and I can't remember ANY game company supporting its fanbase like this. And let's be honest, Microsoft isn't the first dog and pony show to lose a hitch in midstream. I have had problems with NES's, SNES's, PSOne's, PS2's. About the only consoles I never had problems with, and still own mind you, are Sega consoles...and look what happened to them.
I mean, if we want to get technical, then maybe game companies should put warning labels on their games when they know they are gonna suck. Let's go ahead and make Hollywood label a crap movie, and don't forget music CD's too.
Don't you just feel sorry for those that bought E.T. for the 2600...now that my friends, is a tragedy, LOL.
Can I get ANY links that confirm the 33% defect rate rumor that don't include the words 'unnamed source said' and 'according to two anonymous retailers clerks'?Verge_6
ISn't there a 3 year warranty against that? I got the 360 in December 2005 and it never gave a problem.
The PS1 and PS2 both had problems but that did not stop anyone. I had about 3 - 4 PS1 units until I got tired and played it upside down.
Deihmos
well i think that most ps1 and ps2 were FIXED AFTER 2 YEARS and the falure rates were never 33%.
I just don't see how you can be more fair than admitting you have a problem, and extending the warranty three years to try to correct the problem. I have been gaming since the Pong days, and I can't remember ANY game company supporting its fanbase like this. And let's be honest, Microsoft isn't the first dog and pony show to lose a hitch in midstream. I have had problems with NES's, SNES's, PSOne's, PS2's. About the only consoles I never had problems with, and still own mind you, are Sega consoles...and look what happened to them.
I mean, if we want to get technical, then maybe game companies should put warning labels on their games when they know they are gonna suck. Let's go ahead and make Hollywood label a crap movie, and don't forget music CD's too.
Don't you just feel sorry for those that bought E.T. for the 2600...now that my friends, is a tragedy, LOL.
Holywarriortim
More fair?
How about telling us the HONEST rate of failure.
How about extending the warranty not up to 3 years but up to how much more the 360 is likely to fail compared to the PS3 or the Wii. Apparently, the 360's rate of failure is a lot more than three times that of their competitors. How much more? Apparently, it seems that the 360's failure rate is at least 10 times more. So, since the PS3 or Wii has a 1 yr warranty, how about Microsoft extending it to 10 instead of 3 yrs. So to me, 3 yrs is definitely not fair!
How about placing a sticker on each console warning about the RRoD?
How about, not just replacing the console, but also paying for inconvenience, and emotional distress?
How about stop pretending to walk on a higher moral ground, accusing Sony of forcing Blu-ray on the customers without acknowledging the fact that Microsoft has been strongly abusing their customers' trust?
funny thing is you don't really hear about this failure rate anymore unless you come into system wars, hmmm strange
mine works fine all my buddies works fine, and they've had them for years, hmmm, strange again
fanboys, god you people need to get a life and get over it
horrible thing is, when the warranty is gone. get RROD and thats it.
I got a 360 at launch not knowing about this, I still like it, but I keep itwith space to ventilate, plus I dont play it for ages at a time. Which helps.
I also have a ps3 which I am playing mostly anyway as I have COD4, warhawk and just yesterday burnout for it.
funny thing is you don't really hear about this failure rate anymore unless you come into system wars, hmmm strange
mine works fine all my buddies works fine, and they've had them for years, hmmm, strange again
fanboys, god you people need to get a life and get over it
SegArgyle
you are lucky, most the people I know with 360's have had RROD multiple times. It is that bad.
I think it is down to leaving it with enough space to ventilate, but you should not have to give a console so much space so it does not break. Its bad.
RROD is a BIG problem.
3 years, and the warranty is gone. then is all just luck.
honestly, I can see that many people will go to another console instead of paying for another 360. Its just too much of a risk.
Think of it like an optimist:
You get a working console, then you're good to go.
You get a RROD console, you can ***** at the customer service peoples until you get free stuff along with a fix'd 360
Because 1/3 of them do not break. You get a warranty if not buy one. If it is going to break it will break in the first year or so, and your warranty covers that and you get a new one.
Because 1/3 of them do not break. You get a warranty if not buy one. If it is going to break it will break in the first year or so, and your warranty covers that and you get a new one.
ish_gibbor
No true. You don't know if it's gonna break the first year or so. It can be in 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 or more years. If the RRoD comes after 3 yrs, then you might start to believe that Microsoft has suckered you.
[QUOTE="Holywarriortim"]I just don't see how you can be more fair than admitting you have a problem, and extending the warranty three years to try to correct the problem. I have been gaming since the Pong days, and I can't remember ANY game company supporting its fanbase like this. And let's be honest, Microsoft isn't the first dog and pony show to lose a hitch in midstream. I have had problems with NES's, SNES's, PSOne's, PS2's. About the only consoles I never had problems with, and still own mind you, are Sega consoles...and look what happened to them.
I mean, if we want to get technical, then maybe game companies should put warning labels on their games when they know they are gonna suck. Let's go ahead and make Hollywood label a crap movie, and don't forget music CD's too.
Don't you just feel sorry for those that bought E.T. for the 2600...now that my friends, is a tragedy, LOL.
Sihanouk
More fair?
How about telling us the HONEST rate of failure.
How about extending the warranty not up to 3 years but up to how much more the 360 is likely to fail compared to the PS3 or the Wii. Apparently, the 360's rate of failure is a lot more than three times that of their competitors. How much more? Apparently, it seems that the 360's failure rate is at least 10 times more. So, since the PS3 or Wii has a 1 yr warranty, how about Microsoft extending it to 10 instead of 3 yrs. So to me, 3 yrs is definitely not fair!
How about placing a sticker on each console warning about the RRoD?
How about, not just replacing the console, but also paying for inconvenience, and emotional distress?
How about stop pretending to walk on a higher moral ground, accusing Sony of forcing Blu-ray on the customers without acknowledging the fact that Microsoft has been strongly abusing their customers' trust?
1) The X360 has TEN times the failure rate of the PS3 and Wii? Now you're just making up numbers.
2) Was Sony required to put stickers on PS2 boxes warning about DRE? Do car manufacturers have to put stickers on the windsheild of the car breaking down and having to be taken into the shop once in a while? Why should Microsoft have to about RRoD?
3) You get "emotionally distressed" over a game console breaking down? You need to setp out of the house once in a while :roll:
Let's face it, this whole topic has been started because the Xbox360 is outselling the PS3, even though it has clear evidence that it is, maybe not an inferior product, but maybe a less reliable product. Even with all the "documented" troubles with the 360, the PS3 still ain't catching up right now. But you know, that isn't to say that once the PS3 gets a couple of really strong A exclusives, that it won't be back on top. But that is the future and this is the present, and right now, the PS3 is a looming third place behind M$. If you don't believe in the popularity of the 360, just ask all those ticked off because Xbox Live was down over Christmas due to so many new subscribers pushing the servers.
And by the way, "emotional distress" just cause you have to wait to get a repaired 360? Now you definitely either are a Sony fanboy, or one of the same screwed up lawyers that has sued M$ because Live went down. I am tired of defending this console. I think that the strong sales for the console in light of it's KNOWN problems says volumes as to what the people like. I mean, if ya really want to get technical, Nintendo is kickin M$'s and Sony's butts in this war.
[QUOTE="Sihanouk"][QUOTE="Holywarriortim"]I just don't see how you can be more fair than admitting you have a problem, and extending the warranty three years to try to correct the problem. I have been gaming since the Pong days, and I can't remember ANY game company supporting its fanbase like this. And let's be honest, Microsoft isn't the first dog and pony show to lose a hitch in midstream. I have had problems with NES's, SNES's, PSOne's, PS2's. About the only consoles I never had problems with, and still own mind you, are Sega consoles...and look what happened to them.
I mean, if we want to get technical, then maybe game companies should put warning labels on their games when they know they are gonna suck. Let's go ahead and make Hollywood label a crap movie, and don't forget music CD's too.
Don't you just feel sorry for those that bought E.T. for the 2600...now that my friends, is a tragedy, LOL.
AdobeArtist
More fair?
How about telling us the HONEST rate of failure.
How about extending the warranty not up to 3 years but up to how much more the 360 is likely to fail compared to the PS3 or the Wii. Apparently, the 360's rate of failure is a lot more than three times that of their competitors. How much more? Apparently, it seems that the 360's failure rate is at least 10 times more. So, since the PS3 or Wii has a 1 yr warranty, how about Microsoft extending it to 10 instead of 3 yrs. So to me, 3 yrs is definitely not fair!
How about placing a sticker on each console warning about the RRoD?
How about, not just replacing the console, but also paying for inconvenience, and emotional distress?
How about stop pretending to walk on a higher moral ground, accusing Sony of forcing Blu-ray on the customers without acknowledging the fact that Microsoft has been strongly abusing their customers' trust?
1) The X360 has TEN times the failure rate of the PS3 and Wii? Now you're just making up numbers.
2) Was Sony required to put stickers on PS2 boxes warning about DRE? Do car manufacturers have to put stickers on the windsheild of the car breaking down and having to be taken into the shop once in a while? Why should Microsoft have to about RRoD?
3) You get "emotionally distressed" over a game console breaking down? You need to setp out of the house once in a while :roll:
1) I am not just making up numbers. Here's a link to failure rate of 360 from Game Pro. It's about 33%. Sony's PS3 is a lot less than 1%. So actually, from the Game Pro article, the 360 is has more than 33 times the failure rate of the PS3!!!! So, hell, a 10 yr warranty isn't even enough.
2) Because the failure rate of the 360 is between 25 to 33 percent. It's way,way too high.
3) What happens when you are in a middle of an addicting game and it breaks? Or a movie with your friends and relatives watching with you? What if after the RRoD you really, really want to play a game you just bought? I am not saying emotional distress to be so bad as to warrant going to see a psychiatrist. I am saying, there are people who feel really, realy bad not being able to use their 360 because of RRoD. If microsoft is so fair, they should compensate for that bad feeling as well. Especially, since they have been lying about the 360's failure rate. Why are you defending a corparation's bad practice??? Are you hired by Microsoft?
Let's face it, this whole topic has been started because the Xbox360 is outselling the PS3, even though it has clear evidence that it is, maybe not an inferior product, but maybe a less reliable product. Even with all the "documented" troubles with the 360, the PS3 still ain't catching up right now. But you know, that isn't to say that once the PS3 gets a couple of really strong A exclusives, that it won't be back on top. But that is the future and this is the present, and right now, the PS3 is a looming third place behind M$. If you don't believe in the popularity of the 360, just ask all those ticked off because Xbox Live was down over Christmas due to so many new subscribers pushing the servers.
And by the way, "emotional distress" just cause you have to wait to get a repaired 360? Now you definitely either are a Sony fanboy, or one of the same screwed up lawyers that has sued M$ because Live went down. I am tired of defending this console. I think that the strong sales for the console in light of it's KNOWN problems says volumes as to what the people like. I mean, if ya really want to get technical, Nintendo is kickin M$'s and Sony's butts in this war.
Holywarriortim
Jesus Christ, Holywarriortim. You still think that the 360 "maybe" a less reliable product. It's not maybe! It's without a doubt the 360 is less reliable. The truth hurts, but it's still the truth. The whole topic didn't start because of the PS3's sales. Heck, the PS3 is selling at a higher rate thatn the 360, world wide, if not here in the US as well. Most industry analysts believe the PS3 will overtake the 360 in a year or two. But the topic started because I read this forum, and I notice way more lemmings than here than others. Lemmings to like to use FUDs for that matter. It also got started because the RRoD is really a BIG problem, and Microsoft pretends to walk on a higher moral ground than Sony. With respect to this generation, Microsoft has a lower moral ground to walk on.
last gen people replaced ps2's alot due to disc read issues...didnt hear much complains from the cows and i didnt see much lemmings making a huge fuss about it
lawlessx
Becaue the disk read issues was less prevalent. and the PS2 wasn't dead because of it. With the RRoD, the 360 dies. It's not just cows making a fuss about it. The entire press community makes a fuss about it. You don't have to believe the cows. You should believe the press, especially if enough of them say the same things. By the way, don't believe Microsoft too much. They lied about the RRoD issues. Now they hide the actual failure rate. They make people think that a 3 yr warranty is enough for the RRoD. Ha! 3 yrs ain't enough.
You know you said earlier that you were upset at people dissin Sony because they "forced" consumers to go with Blu-Ray. Well you know what, I am kinda glad that they did, because if it didn't have the built in Blu-ray player, then I would get no use at all from my PS3.
And furthermore, I don't remember seeing any stickers on the new PS3's warning consumers that their new console is not backwards compatible like the original consoles were. How many people go into stores to buy a PS3 thinking that there new console will play all their PS1 and PS2 games?
And while we are talking facts and figures, where are the figures that the PS3 is outselling 360? Where are the expert articles stating that the PS3 will eventually outsell the 360? All I ever read about the PS3 is doom and gloom...and if it was such a HUGE success, why did Ken Katurugi (or however ya spell it) lose his job over so much success?
I love this thread....I have never posted so much to one topic....LOL.
360's hardware is terrible, but it's got some great games.Udsen
360's hardware is terrible, but it's got some great games.Udsen
360's hardware is terrible, but it's got some great games.Udsen
Now that's a fair statement. Now, in 2008, the 360 hardware is still horrible. But games wise, the PS3 will have better games than the 360.
Way to go Udsen, you had to go and give him the comment he was looking for....now all the fun is over :-(
Mwa Ha ha he ha hah!
You know you said earlier that you were upset at people dissin Sony because they "forced" consumers to go with Blu-Ray. Well you know what, I am kinda glad that they did, because if it didn't have the built in Blu-ray player, then I would get no use at all from my PS3.
And furthermore, I don't remember seeing any stickers on the new PS3's warning consumers that their new console is not backwards compatible like the original consoles were. How many people go into stores to buy a PS3 thinking that there new console will play all their PS1 and PS2 games?
And while we are talking facts and figures, where are the figures that the PS3 is outselling 360? Where are the expert articles stating that the PS3 will eventually outsell the 360? All I ever read about the PS3 is doom and gloom...and if it was such a HUGE success, why did Ken Katurugi (or however ya spell it) lose his job over so much success?
I love this thread....I have never posted so much to one topic....LOL.
Holywarriortim
The thing about Blu-ray is that it does makes the PS3 more expensive, bit it also makes the PS3 capable of playing Bluray movies, which will basically replace DVD in the movie format. Also, you will see more and more that developers are taking advantage of space on Blu-ray, so that most analysts think the PS3 has more potential than the 360. If you follow the games industry, you will see that the quality of games on the PS3 will improve more and more over time. In fact, I believe the console with the best graphics this year and beyond will be the PS3, and Blu-ray helps with that, not to mention the Cell processor.
Now about the lack of compatibility on the 40 gig and its lack of backwards compatibility. Fair enough. I do think some people who buy the PS3 think it's backwards compatible. However, Sony doesn't hide the issue. It's clear that the 40 gig lacks compatibility. Sales people are a lot more likely to tell PS3 buyers about the lack of compatibility. Do a study,I bet you most people who buy the 40 gig knows about the lack of compatibility. Microsoft on the other hand, HIDES the failure rate of the 360. So sales people are less likely to tell the customers. A sticker on the 360 is more need than on the PS3. But to be fair about it. Sure, I think both consoles should have stickers on them. If this is done, though, I am sure Microsoft will hurt more. Let's say Sony offers to put a sticker on the PS3 if Microsoft also puts one on the 360. I bet, Microsoft would chicken out. The 360 is not compatible with most xbox games anyway.
As for future sales predictions, it's pretty obvious to me that the PS3 will over take the 360 world wide. You want figures? They shouldn't be too hard to find. Do a search on google or yahoo news.
LOL. I have never posted so much on a forumn either. I just happen to have a lot of free time at the moment. Back pain sucks. Maybe Microsoft is responsibilbe for my back pain. LOL.
look il say this real simple for you , you see us 360 owners we have the cohonas that it takes to take a risk and have a good time you know these games is our oyster jump in essay /tony montana impression
lol and the real answer to your craptacular quetion is my xbox 360 has been murdered litteraly droped around from height and scratched up and i even put my tv on top of it some times ot works fine, if it red rings what do i care 2 weeks and i get a new one im happy so why are you unhappy you dont even own 1.
1) I am not just making up numbers. Here's a link to failure rate of 360 from Game Pro. It's about 33%. Sony's PS3 is a lot less than 1%. So actually, from the Game Pro article, the 360 is has more than 33 times the failure rate of the PS3!!!! So, hell, a 10 yr warranty isn't even enough.
2) Because the failure rate of the 360 is between 25 to 33 percent. It's way,way too high.
3) What happens when you are in a middle of an addicting game and it breaks? Or a movie with your friends and relatives watching with you? What if after the RRoD you really, really want to play a game you just bought? I am not saying emotional distress to be so bad as to warrant going to see a psychiatrist. I am saying, there are people who feel really, realy bad not being able to use their 360 because of RRoD. If microsoft is so fair, they should compensate for that bad feeling as well. Especially, since they have been lying about the 360's failure rate. Why are you defending a corparation's bad practice??? Are you hired by Microsoft?
Sihanouk
1) Sources being store employees making maybe just above minimum wage. The entire article was based on lots of hearsay with questionable credibility.
2) See above.
3) Lots and lots of people are on edge just dying to play MGS4, FF13, GT5 and other games. Should Sony have to compensate them for making them wait so long which has caused them emotional distress? Or just the fact that launch buyers had to wait so long for any good games to come out.
4) Are YOU a Sony employee hoping to undermine X360's success over PS3 with a smear campaign? And since we're talking corporate honesty here, how do you defend a company that passed off CGI as in-game footage? See, two can play that game :roll:
[QUOTE="lawlessx"]last gen people replaced ps2's alot due to disc read issues...didnt hear much complains from the cows and i didnt see much lemmings making a huge fuss about it
Sihanouk
Becaue the disk read issues was less prevalent. and the PS2 wasn't dead because of it. With the RRoD, the 360 dies. It's not just cows making a fuss about it. The entire press community makes a fuss about it. You don't have to believe the cows. You should believe the press, especially if enough of them say the same things. By the way, don't believe Microsoft too much. They lied about the RRoD issues. Now they hide the actual failure rate. They make people think that a 3 yr warranty is enough for the RRoD. Ha! 3 yrs ain't enough.
You know there is as much evidence of the PS2's dre being every bit as widespread as the RROD, and it is well documented that not only did Sony do none of what you think MS should do, they did less to resolve the issue and less to acknowledge the issue and less to fix the issue. You painting yourself as no more than an extremely biased fanboy.[QUOTE="Udsen"]360's hardware is terrible, but it's got some great games.Sihanouk
360's hardware is terrible, but it's got some great games.Udsen
360's hardware is terrible, but it's got some great games.Udsen
Now that's a fair statement. Now, in 2008, the 360 hardware is still horrible. But games wise, the PS3 will have better games than the 360.
Did you just create your account to create as many threads about the RROD as possible?
last gen people replaced ps2's alot due to disc read issues...didnt hear much complains from the cows and i didnt see much lemmings making a huge fuss about it
lawlessx
No such thing as Lemmings during the ps2 5% hardware failure months,
Xbox wasn't out...xbox came out in '01, ps2 was released, had the problem, fixed the problem, and moved on by that time.
For the life of me I couldn't figure this out. It's been known for along while now, yet the 360 still sells well in the US. Sure, it has good games. But it's not like the PS3 or the Wii doesn't. What I wonder is: are consumers informed when they buy the 360 about the rate of Red Ring of Death? What a pain in the butt to have to call, fill form, package, send, wait, etc. I think if Gamestop, Best Buy, and other stores inform every 360 buyer about the rate of RRoD, the 360 would sell a lot less. Microsoft is being very dishonest by not admitting the rate of failure. When I read of lemmings here defending Microsoft, I don't understand how they cannot see that Microsoft is willing to make a 3rd of their customer go thru the troubles of RRoD. If they care so much about it, they would acknowledge the high failure rate. In fact, they should place a sticker on every 360 warning about the potential RRoD.Sihanouk
Casuals don't know what RRoD is, and Gamespot employees sure as hell don't tell them when they come in and say "give me a 360."
But you know what? Target, Best Buy, and Wal-mart employees SURE AS HELL don't tell them what RRoD is because they don't know what RRoD is. Most gamers are casuals, even 360 owners.
It comes down to the fact that most 360 owners don't know about the RRoD. One news story on Fox News that leaked to youtube about it, and the 360 will lose sales.
Microsoft has been lucky this hasn't hit he mainstream, so far.
Still, America's in general will buy anything they consider good, despite its drawbacks. The PS3 isn't real popular over here, and American's have to own a system.
In Europe and Japan, it's a different story, where RRoD is a significant issue for the 360.
I have a friend who knows all the facts about the 360 failure rate. Recently he had the option to buy a ps3 or a 360. He initially got the ps3, but after just 3 days he decided to take it back and get the 360. Now he is a happy gamer. He likes Live with the headset better, he likes the controller better, he likes the games better.He liked the fact the 360 came with HD cables. He was willing to risk the RRoD so he could have a more enjoyable console experience.Videodogg
Understandable.
I'm the opposite way. I like the free online system, the ability to use my favorite BT headset, the controller I've been comfortable with from the PSX days, some of the games (admittedly MS has a much stronger library but hey, the PS3 library isn't completely bare either), but most of all, the knowledge that everytime I boot up my system, I can go straight to playing.
No praying, no hoping the RROD isn't there, no worries about disc reading errors, no frets that the next system update is going to crash my system.
To each his/her own.
(the HD cables argument is a fairly stupid one. If $10 determines your console purchase decision, gaming is probably not the correct hobby to undertake)
[QUOTE="Sihanouk"]1) I am not just making up numbers. Here's a link to failure rate of 360 from Game Pro. It's about 33%. Sony's PS3 is a lot less than 1%. So actually, from the GamePro article, the 360 is has more than 33 times the failure rate of the PS3!!!! So, hell, a 10 yr warranty isn't even enough.
2) Because the failure rate of the 360 is between 25 to 33 percent. It's way,way too high.
3) What happens when you are in a middle of an addicting game and it breaks? Or a movie with your friends and relatives watching with you? What if after the RRoD you really, really want to play a game you just bought? I am not saying emotional distress to be so bad as to warrant going to see a psychiatrist. I am saying, there are people who feel really, realy bad not being able to use their 360 because of RRoD. If microsoft is so fair, they should compensate for that bad feeling as well. Especially, since they have been lying about the 360's failure rate. Why are you defending a corparation's bad practice??? Are you hired by Microsoft?
AdobeArtist
1) Sources being store employees making maybe just above minimum wage. The entire article was based on lots of hearsay with questionable credibility.
2) See above.
3) Lots and lots of people are on edge just dying to play MGS4, FF13, GT5 and other games. Should Sony have to compensate them for making them wait so long which has caused them emotional distress? Or just the fact that launch buyers had to wait so long for any good games to come out.
4) Are YOU a Sony employee hoping to undermine X360's success over PS3 with a smear campaign? And since we're talking corporate honesty here, how do you defend a company that passed off CGI as in-game footage? See, two can play that game :roll:
1) You, my dear fanboy, are using FUD. The figures don't just come from the bottom of the information level, gotten out of thin air. These are the people who keep track of inventory, how many they sell and how many gets returned due to Red Ring of Death. Here's another link from Spong. Now, Are you going to believe Microsoft's people or are you going to believe people working in the trenches who keep a tally of the numbers sold and returned? If Microsoft doesn't give us the number, then we should believe people working in the field. Not you. Not me. People who works at Gamestop or Best Buy. What gives you the right to look say that barely earn above minimum wage? Just because they give out a number you don't like? Here are more links:
DailyTech Now this guy seems like a legitimate insider, the same guy who leaked the information about Bungie leaving Microsoft.
Stores no longer offering a warranty on the 360 Why do you think they stop giving warranty when doing so normally makes them lots of money? Because, yes, the rate of failure is way, way too high. I'll keep on saying it's around 30% UNTIL microsoft gives us an honest number.
I remember a guy named Ngai Croal working for Newsweek even asked for Microsoft to recall the 360 altogether. I can't find a link at the moment.
Do your own research on the number of editors working at Kotaku and find out how many got RRoDs. You won't like the number.
2) see above as well.
3) Game delays are widespread among all publishers, Nintendo, Sony, as well as Microsoft. There's never a study that says Sony games are way, way more likely to be delayed than the other systems. Also, while waiting for some games, there are other games you can play. Waiting for a fixed 360, you are out of luck. Can't play any game or watch any movie. Not the same analogy.
4) I am not Sony's employee. I am not spreading a smear campaign. I just truly believe (I mean it) that Microsoft is getting away with murder. Buy not giving us the true failure rate, they are not giving consumers the option to decide whether to buy or not because of the RRoD. I started this topic because too many lemmings here not only let Microsof get away with it, but are actually supporting Microsoft for this. Can you honestly tell me that 3 yrs warranty is enough if the rate of failure is more than 5 times that of the PS3 or Wii? What if they did a survey from OBJECTIVE GAMING professionals to come up with a failure rate number for the 360. If these professionals (not someone barely making over minimum wage) say the rate more than 10% to 33%, what would you say? Should microsft offer a longer warranty? Would you believe that Microsoft has indeed been getting away with murder? Would you still believe Microsoft?
Yes, two can play this game. But you lose.
[QUOTE="lawlessx"]last gen people replaced ps2's alot due to disc read issues...didnt hear much complains from the cows and i didnt see much lemmings making a huge fuss about it
Andrew_Xavier
No such thing as Lemmings during the ps2 5% hardware failure months,
Xbox wasn't out...xbox came out in '01, ps2 was released, had the problem, fixed the problem, and moved on by that time.
False.
"Owners of early PS2 models purchased from launch until July 2003 often reported faulty optical drives in their consoles. The earliest drives suffered from a constantly misaligning laser lens, which could also result in discs being scratched by the lens."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Playstation_2
Oh and by the way, I realize this is from Wikipedia, but unless you can find a more valid source debunking what's posted there, it's still a perfectly valid source.
[QUOTE="Sihanouk"][QUOTE="Udsen"]360's hardware is terrible, but it's got some great games.TheDarkDisciple
360's hardware is terrible, but it's got some great games.Udsen
360's hardware is terrible, but it's got some great games.Udsen
Now that's a fair statement. Now, in 2008, the 360 hardware is still horrible. But games wise, the PS3 will have better games than the 360.
Did you just create your account to create as many threads about the RROD as possible?
[QUOTE="Sihanouk"][QUOTE="Udsen"]360's hardware is terrible, but it's got some great games.TheDarkDisciple
360's hardware is terrible, but it's got some great games.Udsen
360's hardware is terrible, but it's got some great games.Udsen
Now that's a fair statement. Now, in 2008, the 360 hardware is still horrible. But games wise, the PS3 will have better games than the 360.
Did you just create your account to create as many threads about the RROD as possible?
Nope. I create an account to get a few things off my chest. One of them happens to be about Microsoft getting away with murder, all the while pretending to walk on a high moral ground than their main competitor.
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