How did Halo innovate console FPS?

it made rechargable health popular

you didnt have to switch to a grenade to use it

it had vehicle combat that was actually fun

Slyprince

fun co op

fun multiplayer

And you would be completely correct (for console FPS).

Problem is Perfect Dark has exellent co-op (and 'co-op' advisary singleplayer), and fantastic multiplayer (with bots).

ALL CAPS AINT INNOVATIVE EITHER!!!!!1111one

insanejedi

neither is the inability to quote edit 8)

[QUOTE="samusarmada"]

No-one's challenged my points yet

[QUOTE="samusarmada"]recharging shield, grenades as an equal to firearms, melee attack always available, co-op, two weapon limit.100Gamer

How many of these are now staples of the console fps?

cows would just pretend not to see this post

noones pretending not to see it but its been done before halo, with the exception of the control scheme

[QUOTE="100Gamer"]

[QUOTE="samusarmada"]

No-one's challenged my points yet

[QUOTE="samusarmada"]recharging shield, grenades as an equal to firearms, melee attack always available, co-op, two weapon limit.enygma500

How many of these are now staples of the console fps?

cows would just pretend not to see this post

noones pretending not to see it but its been done before halo, with the exception of the control scheme

Especially when they take place in WW2. That adds a deep layer of mystery to the game. You have to ask the questions... How could we have shields and rechargable health in that day and age? Is this game supposed to be based on an alternate timeline or alternate universe?smokeydabear076

Have to say I second that, rechargable health being introduced into the COD series was just rediculous.

-Only being able to carry two weapons made things much more strategic.

-Wide Open Environments, with lots of choices about how to go through the level

-Grenades mapped to their own button

-Melee on the go

-rechargable sheilds

etc etc

[QUOTE="DrinkDuff"][QUOTE="VoodooGamer"]

I can only recall two levels with open-ended environments. The rest of the game is just as open-ended as Perfect Dark and Golden Eye. What is more, dual-analog free-aiming isn't innovative as it was necessary to play the game on an Xbox controller. ;)

enygma500

During the first year of the PS2's life, there were a couple of console FPS but they didn't use the now standard control scheme that Halo: CE used. Just because it seems like common sense now doesn't mean it was in 2001, when Halo:CE was released.

you're comparing ai on n64 to ai on xbox. thats laughable at best. the xbox is so far above and beyond the n64 in terms of...wel everything, if there weren't some signifigant increases in intelligance that would kinda suck. also goldeneyes levels were just as open as halo's

What other fps pc game had more of a complete package than Halo? If it came out for the pc only, everyone here would be raving how innovative it was.

Ilived

Seriously did you even touch a PC shooter prior to Halo? :|

FFS here is a fun example: DOOM

Well that was hard wasent it

[QUOTE="insanejedi"]

ALL CAPS AINT INNOVATIVE EITHER!!!!!1111one

samusarmada

neither is the inability to quote edit 8)

lol you run out of arguements and move to my ability to type and quote edit. seems to me like you've lost the fight.

[QUOTE="100Gamer"]

[QUOTE="samusarmada"]

No-one's challenged my points yet

[QUOTE="samusarmada"]recharging shield, grenades as an equal to firearms, melee attack always available, co-op, two weapon limit.enygma500

How many of these are now staples of the console fps?

cows would just pretend not to see this post

noones pretending not to see it but its been done before halo, with the exception of the control scheme

which games (i now know about PD and co-op :P)

[QUOTE="100Gamer"]

[QUOTE="samusarmada"]

No-one's challenged my points yet

[QUOTE="samusarmada"]recharging shield, grenades as an equal to firearms, melee attack always available, co-op, two weapon limit.enygma500

How many of these are now staples of the console fps?

cows would just pretend not to see this post

noones pretending not to see it but its been done before halo, with the exception of the control scheme

yeah? where were they done b4?

[QUOTE="enygma500"][QUOTE="DrinkDuff"][QUOTE="VoodooGamer"]

I can only recall two levels with open-ended environments. The rest of the game is just as open-ended as Perfect Dark and Golden Eye. What is more, dual-analog free-aiming isn't innovative as it was necessary to play the game on an Xbox controller. ;)

DrinkDuff

During the first year of the PS2's life, there were a couple of console FPS but they didn't use the now standard control scheme that Halo: CE used. Just because it seems like common sense now doesn't mean it was in 2001, when Halo:CE was released.

you're comparing ai on n64 to ai on xbox. thats laughable at best. the xbox is so far above and beyond the n64 in terms of...wel everything, if there weren't some signifigant increases in intelligance that would kinda suck. also goldeneyes levels were just as open as halo's

console fps haven't evolved since the beginning of the fps. whether you like it or not. as for the largest of levels in goldeneye being smaller then halos smallest. i think you need to play halo again. halo is in no way the first of anything.

[QUOTE="samusarmada"][QUOTE="insanejedi"]

ALL CAPS AINT INNOVATIVE EITHER!!!!!1111one

enygma500

neither is the inability to quote edit 8)

lol you run out of arguements and move to my ability to type and quote edit. seems to me like you've lost the fight.

I posted that before you challenged my previous post.

[QUOTE="enygma500"][QUOTE="100Gamer"]

[QUOTE="samusarmada"]

No-one's challenged my points yet

[QUOTE="samusarmada"]recharging shield, grenades as an equal to firearms, melee attack always available, co-op, two weapon limit.100Gamer

How many of these are now staples of the console fps?

cows would just pretend not to see this post

noones pretending not to see it but its been done before halo, with the exception of the control scheme

yeah? where were they done b4?

co-op has been done countless times. rechargeable shields i might have to give him. for the fps style game anyways its been done elsewhere though. and 2 weapon limits or even one weapon limits are nothing new or special to gaming in any type of genre

[QUOTE="DrinkDuff"][QUOTE="enygma500"]

you're comparing ai on n64 to ai on xbox. thats laughable at best. the xbox is so far above and beyond the n64 in terms of...wel everything, if there weren't some signifigant increases in intelligance that would kinda suck. also goldeneyes levels were just as open as halo's

enygma500

console fps haven't evolved since the beginning of the fps. whether you like it or not. as for the largest of levels in goldeneye being smaller then halos smallest. i think you need to play halo again. halo is in no way the first of anything.

[QUOTE="100Gamer"][QUOTE="enygma500"][QUOTE="100Gamer"]

[QUOTE="samusarmada"]

No-one's challenged my points yet

[QUOTE="samusarmada"]recharging shield, grenades as an equal to firearms, melee attack always available, co-op, two weapon limit.enygma500

How many of these are now staples of the console fps?

cows would just pretend not to see this post

noones pretending not to see it but its been done before halo, with the exception of the control scheme

yeah? where were they done b4?

co-op has been done countless times. rechargeable shields i might have to give him. for the fps style game anyways its been done elsewhere though. and 2 weapon limits or even one weapon limits are nothing new or special to gaming in any type of genre

can you give us an example?

It's impossible to innovate an FPS. Especially a console one. You can try by making it a very atmospheric, story-driven game like BioShock, but between all the storytelling it's still just a first-person camera with a gun bolted to it.

So i really dont understand the "that game did nothing new" arguement. If it's a fun, enjoyable and worthwhile package, i'm buying it. That applies to Halo if you ask me.

[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"]Especially when they take place in WW2. That adds a deep layer of mystery to the game. You have to ask the questions... How could we have shields and rechargable health in that day and age? Is this game supposed to be based on an alternate timeline or alternate universe?skrat_01

Have to say I second that, rechargable health being introduced into the COD series was just rediculous.

Timesplitters control scheme.Dibdibdobdobo

Is nothing like Halo's. :?

It's impossible to innovate an FPS. Especially a console one. You can try by making it a very atmospheric, story-driven game like BioShock, but between all the storytelling it's still just a first-person camera with a gun bolted to it.

So i really dont understand the "that game did nothing new" arguement. If it's a fun, enjoyable and worthwhile package, i'm buying it. That applies to Halo if you ask me.

Ninja-Hippo

I always felt that Goldeneye 64 was the innovator and game that brought mass appeal to the genre for consoles.Terami

2nd this. Too me Golden Eye is the pinnacle of FPS for consoles.

Rechargeable health is probably the worst trend in shooters... and we have Halo to thank for it.

Halo was not that innovative, in my opinion.

[QUOTE="skrat_01"]

[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"]Especially when they take place in WW2. That adds a deep layer of mystery to the game. You have to ask the questions... How could we have shields and rechargable health in that day and age? Is this game supposed to be based on an alternate timeline or alternate universe?smokeydabear076

Have to say I second that, rechargable health being introduced into the COD series was just rediculous.

[QUOTE="Terami"]I always felt that Goldeneye 64 was the innovator and game that brought mass appeal to the genre for consoles.Dibdibdobdobo

2nd this. Too me Golden Eye is the pinnacle of FPS for consoles.

[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"][QUOTE="skrat_01"]

[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"]Especially when they take place in WW2. That adds a deep layer of mystery to the game. You have to ask the questions... How could we have shields and rechargable health in that day and age? Is this game supposed to be based on an alternate timeline or alternate universe?skrat_01

Have to say I second that, rechargable health being introduced into the COD series was just rediculous.

Yeah I agree, they should start making things make sense. There is no set rule that health recharge is the only health system that works in games.smokeydabear076

Of course not every Shooter does fall under that category.

Hmmmm, there's so much that I think it might take a 4 page review to explain it all...oh wait a minute, here it is:

Halo: CE 9.7/10

[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"]Yeah I agree, they should start making things make sense. There is no set rule that health recharge is the only health system that works in games.skrat_01

Of course not every Shooter does fall under that category.

[QUOTE="skrat_01"]

[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"]Yeah I agree, they should start making things make sense. There is no set rule that health recharge is the only health system that works in games.smokeydabear076

Of course not every Shooter does fall under that category.

[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"][QUOTE="skrat_01"]

[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"]Yeah I agree, they should start making things make sense. There is no set rule that health recharge is the only health system that works in games.skrat_01

Of course not every Shooter does fall under that category.

Bash halo for the rechargeable hp, but it worked pretty well in the whole series. You had to make use of both plasma and usnc weps etc, but w/e thats besides the point. (And I don't get the whole "it doesn't make sense argument. Having been shot several times then picking up a health pack and being good to go doesn't make sense either...)

How did Halo innovate console FPS? It didn't. It just kicked the rest in the face because it was that damn good, it showed others how it's done. And I still consider halo's vehicles the best in any fps along with tribes (the way they contoll and all that, cool factor aside).

The reason there is a lack of "innovation" in the FPS genre is because a lot of the things that reoccur in game after game is what defines the genre as a whole.

Name me any other genre that is tipping the bar at innovation from games and doesn't recycle the same formulas over and over.

No one here played STALKER then? Its an amazing game, as for what HALO did ask Wok7, his quotes in my sig.

Halo's control scheme = AAAA

This isn't a simple button layout, this game REDEFINED how console FPS SHOULD work. All FPS after halo copied their scheme.

Also TC need to look up the word innovation. Taking features from other genres, is in fact, innovative. Light RPG elements, vehicular combat, platforming aspects, those may not be innovative by themselves, but once you implement it in conjucntion with another = INNOVATION i.e. RPG + FPS.

BTW innovation comes from creativity...

Console FPS still suckPainballz

the whole, "you can only carry 2 guns at once" thingy thats o so popularVendettaRed07

This annoys me so much! I liked games like Doom and Quake where you can have 600 guns at a time, I don't care if it's not realistic I'm fighting ****ing aliens!!

Halo managed to bring a FPS to a much much younger audience than previous PC FPS games.

Halo managed to bring a FPS to a much much younger audience than previous PC FPS games.

tenaka2

I dont agree with this, there is nothing more mature about PC Gaming, thats one thing I will admit.

I dont agree with this, there is nothing more mature about PC Gaming, thats one thing I will admit.

Meu2k7

Total War, The Witcher and Silent Hunter would beg to differ but your entitled to your opinion.

It didnt, its just a common misconception.EVOLV3

What, and Killzone did?

To many people in this thread are saying: "it made ____ popular" or "it made _____ fun".

That isn't innovation, that's evolution.