How did Halo innovate console FPS?

Halo refined many elements and put them into a package, this isn't radical innovation, but it's incremental innovation. Two different things, but it's still faintly innovative by definition.

Compared to Goldeneye, it did far less for the genre on consoles, even Red Faction (which had great A.I, Halo didn't innovate great A.I on consoles :S), with it's destructible environments, was probably more innovative than Halo was (not for console FPS, but in general) and that came out on the PS2 months before Halo came out. But still, Halo has had a colossal impact, innovative or not, due to it's refinement of various gameplay mechanics and subtle changes. It worked to a tee, and that's what matters.

Nobody has actually told me yet what games featured a strict 2 weapon limit, a rechargable shield, grenades as equal to firearms and melee as always available in their design. All of these things are now standards in the genre and it is all thanks to halo.samusarmada

Had a grenade button - and you could cycle through grenades independantly, you could have a pack the recharged health (and im very sure there were mods that did it before Tribes), as for melee im sure i saw it before, but honestly i cant remember the game, so you have me there.

Though yes they were popularised by Halo no doubt. Problem is there is abuse of these features nowdays, just copying of the forumla because it 'works', rather than thinking of new innovative ideas.

It was the first console FPS to get the controls right. But I think a lot of that also has to do with the sticks on the xbox controller. They react a lot better and are placed on the controller better when it comes to playing FPS games.

Also hearing a grunt scream "get it off, get it off"and see him run around in panic after you hit him with a sticky grenade never got old:P

Well that is the thing with fps's and shooters. It has been done to death already, there is nothing left to innovate gameplay wise really. They could add deep stories I guess but since most developers are convinced they are exclusively dealing with retarded teenagers that has an attention span of about 5 minis I don't see that happening.Iwmyk

All the innovation is happening on the PC indie and mod scene.

Problem with the mainstream is the majority of devs stick with stuff that worked before. Still titles like Stalker and Portal do popup in the mainstream.

[QUOTE="samusarmada"]Nobody has actually told me yet what games featured a strict 2 weapon limit, a rechargable shield, grenades as equal to firearms and melee as always available in their design. All of these things are now standards in the genre and it is all thanks to halo.skrat_01

Had a grenade button - and you could cycle through grenades independantly, you could have a pack the recharged health (and im very sure there were mods that did it before Tribes), as for melee im sure i saw it before, but honestly i cant remember the game, so you have me there.

Though yes they were popularised by Halo no doubt. Problem is there is abuse of these features nowdays, just copying of the forumla because it 'works', rather than thinking of new innovative ideas.

I had a feeling you would come in with your annoying knowledge of fps' :P

But still i would say that for consoles halo was very innovative. The 2 weapon limit alone makes it pretty innovative and for the console fps, well there wasnt tribes :P

I had a feeling you would come in with your annoying knowledge of fps' :P

But still i would say that for consoles halo was very innovative. The 2 weapon limit alone makes it pretty innovative and for the console fps, well there wasnt tribes :P

samusarmada

(actually Tribes did have a three weapon limit when i come to think of it, and there were other games like Hidden and Dangerous, and a bunch of others that did have weight /weapon restrictions :P)

Didn't Operation Flashpoint do the whole "two guns at a time" thing before Halo? And the massive freeform battle were in OP before Halo? And hen Halo was gonna be a PC exclusive it was basically Operation Flashpoint, in space?ClawKiller

Though Halo never really had masive free form battles. They were just large linear corridors. Flashpoint on the other hand did have large non linear 'freeform' batttles as the maps never restricted where you went - as there were only huge explorable 3 islands - Malden, Everon and somthing beginning with a K. Not to mention Flashpoints battles were massive - who remembers the Invasion of Everon level - where the Nato forces try to retake it? Though if you look a few years back even Codename Eage and Tribes, heck even that Terminator game (which had vehicles too (the first)) had open levels where you could choose where you wanted to do (Flashpoint to the greatest extent (until ArmA in 2006))

it made rechargable health popular

you didnt have to switch to a grenade to use it

it had vehicle combat that was actually fun

fun co op

fun multiplayer

Well Unreal Tournament had three of those, but Halo did have superior vehicular combat and the Grenade and Rechargable health trumped it.

[QUOTE="xXHackettXx"]Halo perfected the dual analog FPS controls. Also was the first big system link game.VoodooGamer

Ok I can see that but I'm talking more from a gameplay perspective. When I hear "innovation" when talking about a game, I automatically think about what it did differently that affected how the game was played and moved the genre foreward.

Well when you look at from a timeline perspective then nearly all FPS/TPS's moved to the dual analog control system about 6 months later.

It is true that Halo:Combat Evolved brung the dual analog control scheme to gaming.

Game: TimeSplitters (PS2) Release Date: Nov 24, 2000
TimeSplitters focuses on its extremely strong multiplayer elements and delivers a first-person shooter that is as addictive as any other console-based FPS.

Game: Halo: Combat Evolved (XBOX) Release Date: Mar 14, 2002
Not only is this easily the best of the Xbox launch games, but it's easily one of the best shooters ever, on any platform.

The debate on halo perfecting Dual Analog controls is flawed. Move along people, Move along! Either that or i remember wrong.

By being completely awesome and fun as hell

[QUOTE="samusarmada"]

I had a feeling you would come in with your annoying knowledge of fps' :P

But still i would say that for consoles halo was very innovative. The 2 weapon limit alone makes it pretty innovative and for the console fps, well there wasnt tribes :P

skrat_01

(actually Tribes did have a three weapon limit when i come to think of it, and there were other games like Hidden and Dangerous, and a bunch of others that did have weight /weapon restrictions :P)

i'm not lying im gonna fricking kill you in a minute :P

Halo was fun, one of my favorite games on the xbox aside from Morrowind, but that's all it was, FUN.

Goes back to playing Crysis.

[QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="samusarmada"]

I had a feeling you would come in with your annoying knowledge of fps' :P

But still i would say that for consoles halo was very innovative. The 2 weapon limit alone makes it pretty innovative and for the console fps, well there wasnt tribes :P

samusarmada

(actually Tribes did have a three weapon limit when i come to think of it, and there were other games like Hidden and Dangerous, and a bunch of others that did have weight /weapon restrictions :P)

i'm not lying im gonna fricking kill you in a minute :P

[QUOTE="Painballz"]Console FPS still suckinsanejedi

As a former hardcore FPS PC player and owner of a 360 only two months old, FPS on consoles are just as comperable if not more then the mouse and keyboard.

No, everybody knows FPS on consoles can't compare. Please, take your fanboyism elsewhere. I realize you're responding to painballz and it's hard to control yourself when he opens his mouth, but try not to use blatant lies.

[QUOTE="samusarmada"][QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="samusarmada"]

I had a feeling you would come in with your annoying knowledge of fps' :P

But still i would say that for consoles halo was very innovative. The 2 weapon limit alone makes it pretty innovative and for the console fps, well there wasnt tribes :P

skrat_01

(actually Tribes did have a three weapon limit when i come to think of it, and there were other games like Hidden and Dangerous, and a bunch of others that did have weight /weapon restrictions :P)

i'm not lying im gonna fricking kill you in a minute :P

*throws halo ce box menacingly at that stack of game boxes samusarmada now despises*

Game: TimeSplitters (PS2) Release Date: Nov 24, 2000
TimeSplitters focuses on its extremely strong multiplayer elements and delivers a first-person shooter that is as addictive as any other console-based FPS.

Game: Halo: Combat Evolved (XBOX) Release Date: Mar 14, 2002
Not only is this easily the best of the Xbox launch games, but it's easily one of the best shooters ever, on any platform.

The debate on halo perfecting Dual Analog controls is flawed. Move along people, Move along! Either that or i remember wrong.

Dibdibdobdobo

[QUOTE="samusarmada"]Nobody has actually told me yet what games featured a strict 2 weapon limit, a rechargable shield, grenades as equal to firearms and melee as always available in their design. All of these things are now standards in the genre and it is all thanks to halo.skrat_01

Had a grenade button - and you could cycle through grenades independantly, you could have a pack the recharged health (and im very sure there were mods that did it before Tribes), as for melee im sure i saw it before, but honestly i cant remember the game, so you have me there.

Though yes they were popularised by Halo no doubt. Problem is there is abuse of these features nowdays, just copying of the forumla because it 'works', rather than thinking of new innovative ideas.

*throws halo ce box menacingly at that stack of game boxes samusarmada now despises*

samusarmada

[QUOTE="Dibdibdobdobo"]

Game: TimeSplitters (PS2) Release Date: Nov 24, 2000
TimeSplitters focuses on its extremely strong multiplayer elements and delivers a first-person shooter that is as addictive as any other console-based FPS.

Game: Halo: Combat Evolved (XBOX) Release Date: Mar 14, 2002
Not only is this easily the best of the Xbox launch games, but it's easily one of the best shooters ever, on any platform.

The debate on halo perfecting Dual Analog controls is flawed. Move along people, Move along! Either that or i remember wrong.

PapaJohn24

That sounds like preference more so than anything. They worked very well for the time! I honestly liked the Gamecubes controller more so for TimeSplitters 2 than the PS2 controller! It was still released before hand though which you cannot argue with! So saying Halo perfected Dual-Analog is nothing more than a misconception by many.

Halo: Combat Evolved looked at the PC FPSs and said:

"I am equal"

And then PC FPSs moved on and the Halo series didn't.

thrones

ooohhh, low blow , LOL :lol: