How did Harry Potter get a higher score than Duke Nukem Forever?

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#101 RyanShazam
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[QUOTE="RyanShazam"]

[QUOTE="MobilechicaneX"]

What DC? I wasn't even hyping DNF. You were implying that since GS gives it a higher score than DNF, then it's better. Reviews are opinions. Usually close-minded, arrogant opinions at that.

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SOmeone is mad that Harry Potter is better than Duke Nukem :P

Fixed for truth

Haha you are correct :P

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#102 a55a55inx
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I don't plan on playing the Harry Potter game, so I can't give a final verdict on the scores. I did play the demo for Duke, though... and even playing through the first few levels were a drag. Most of the time, I had to convince myself to just complete the demo, I thought to myself: "Maybe it will get better?" That, unfortunately, was not the case. Controlling Duke felt clunky, the first boss fight was boring (didn't require much thinking), driving the monster truck felt like a chore, shooting the enemies weren't rewarding, and the whole platforming element of that demo just didn't feel right. Stating all of these problems just makes me sound negative... so I'll throw in some things that I did like about the game: They used the original voice actor, and the interactive environments were pretty interesting to play with.

But, I'm not surprised that Duke received a lower score; it was a game that had high hopes and the result was a big let down for long time fans.

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#103 ChubbyGuy40
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[QUOTE="ChubbyGuy40"]

[QUOTE="GTSaiyanjin2"]

just goes to show how bad the game is if its worse than a harry potter gamer

SkyWard20

Or that it was unfairly judged. Just sayin'.

Oh please; give me a break. The game tanked. It's trash. Garbage. Junk.

Let it rest.

I never will. Those reviews ARE garbage, much like the DA2 review in your sig.

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#104 ChubbyGuy40
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[QUOTE="dzimm"]Most DNF reviews were just troll reviews. The game is actually quite a lot of fun taken on its own merits.skrat_01
Translation 'I found the game enjoyable, reviews that do not fall in line with my opinion were purely intended for trolling'.

No go actually read the reviews. 90% of the reviews are butthurt journalists that got all defensive when Duke makes a joke about power armor, women, or just Duke himself.

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#105 EggHeadMan
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[QUOTE="ChubbyGuy40"]

[QUOTE="GTSaiyanjin2"]

just goes to show how bad the game is if its worse than a harry potter gamer

SkyWard20

Or that it was unfairly judged. Just sayin'.

Oh please; give me a break. The game tanked. It's trash. Garbage. Junk.

Let it rest.

Just like Dragon age 2 ;)

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#106 carlisledavid79
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Why? Because they thought it was a better game. Simple really
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#107 dzimm
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[QUOTE="dzimm"]Most DNF reviews were just troll reviews. The game is actually quite a lot of fun taken on its own merits.skrat_01
Translation 'I found the game enjoyable, reviews that do not fall in line with my opinion were purely intended for trolling'.

Better translation:

"Most DNF reviews were just troll reviews. The game is actually quite a lot of fun taken on its own merits."

Fact: It is in no way reasonable to give DNF a score just a few points above a broken, unplayable mess like Big Rigs: Over The Road Racing. DNF is a competently designed shooter with no significant design or technical flaws.

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#108 Phoenix534
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[QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="dzimm"]Most DNF reviews were just troll reviews. The game is actually quite a lot of fun taken on its own merits.dzimm

Translation 'I found the game enjoyable, reviews that do not fall in line with my opinion were purely intended for trolling'.

Better translation:

"Most DNF reviews were just troll reviews. The game is actually quite a lot of fun taken on its own merits."

Fact: It is in no way reasonable to give DNF a score just a few points above a broken, unplayable mess like Big Rigs: Over The Road Racing. DNF is a competently designed shooter with no significant design or technical flaws.

And this is why scores need to be abolished. Everyone goes crazy over scores and very few of those people that do that actually read the review to see why the reviewer gave it the score they did.

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#109 skrat_01
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[QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="dzimm"]Most DNF reviews were just troll reviews. The game is actually quite a lot of fun taken on its own merits.ChubbyGuy40

Translation 'I found the game enjoyable, reviews that do not fall in line with my opinion were purely intended for trolling'.

No go actually read the reviews. 90% of the reviews are butthurt journalists that got all defensive when Duke makes a joke about power armor, women, or just Duke himself.

The jokes that never had a punchline verbal or mechanically, just references to other things? The journalists were pretty correct in pointing out how bad the script was, not even low brow humour done well; and there's numerous games that actually get acknowledgement for decent low brow humour. Bulletstorm and Shadow of the Damned? Or that Duke Nukem 3D was actually a good game that let the humour and character take back seat or follow through and compliment the mechanics and action, than standing at an invisible wall waiting for another punchline to miss? 90% of them being accurate are pretty good odds.
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#110 skrat_01
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Better translation:

"Most DNF reviews were just troll reviews. The game is actually quite a lot of fun taken on its own merits."

Fact: It is in no way reasonable to give DNF a score just a few points above a broken, unplayable mess like Big Rigs: Over The Road Racing. DNF is a competently designed shooter with no significant design or technical flaws.

dzimm
While I'd say DNF isn't competently designed at all; so much so it doesn't even have a clear direction, vision or focus; it's a horrible patchwork job, indeed it isn't the wreck Big Rigs is. Again you can play it by metrics or read what the critics have said, if you mean GameSpot's review, well yes I'd even agree 3.0 is an extremely harsh score on a game that isn't absolutely broken, judging by how horribly scaled game reviews are today - that a 7.0 is 'average' instead of 'actually good'. Difference here is DNF isn't a good game, it's full of issues dating back to its messy wind of development, and while you can finger waggle at the metrics or say 'I've had fun with it', which as far as opinions go is just fine, the game was critically slammed by such a huge percentage for that very reason; it's glaringly obvious it isn't a game with much in the way of redeeming qualities, and if it wasn't a 'Duke Nukem' title, let alone the biggest saga in game development history, no one would have battered an eyelid.
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#111 Xtasy26
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[QUOTE="Xtasy26"]

http://www.gamespot.com/pc/action/harry-potter-and-the-deathly-hallows-part-2/index.html?tag=result%3Btitle%3B1

It beat out Duke Nukem Forever. Goes to show GS score of Duke Nukem Forever was truly a JOKE!

Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows BETTER than Duke Nukem Forever? Give me a break! :roll:

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dnf was garbage how is anything outscoring it any sort of surprise?

If you were locked in a room and had a choice to play between DNF or the latest Harry Potter, are you telling me you would choose Harry Potter over DNF?

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#112 Xtasy26
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Simple.

Harry Potter is better than Duke Nukem.

Deal with it.

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You would rather play Harry Potter over Duke Nukem. :roll:

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#113 heretrix
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I think there are much better games to defend.

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#114 Xtasy26
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[QUOTE="Xtasy26"]

Actually, the original people were in fact working on the game from the beginning. Guys like Greg Broussard and Scott Miller and including the guy who came up with the original Duke Nukem. In fact, after 3D Realms closed down many of the "original" guys worked out of thir homes in Dallas, TX to finish the PC version of the game. What you see is in fact a 3D Realms game. The BIG mistake they made was they kept changing the game and kept on redoing things to make the game compete with current shooters on the market. Like when they changed from the Quake II engine to the Unreal Engine. When you keep on having to redo the SAME textures and assets over and over again to make it look better, not to mention adding new things to the game, that adds years to the game, which added to it's development time. So, your statement that "original" people not working on the game is false. The PC version of the game was essentially complete in 2009. Gearbox just polished the PC version and other developers that Gearbox brought in just ported the PC version to the Xbox 360 and PS3. And from what I read the port was very poor like long load times on the console version.

ChubbyGuy40

What I can't believe is how old that engine is. Really in the 2-3 years they couldn't have switched to UE3 instead of a heavily overhauled UE1.x? Can't wait to see what modders end up doing with this game though. I can't wait for the sequel.

I am guessing that would have further delayed the game even more. I remember when I was a kid reading on the net or PC Gamer when they switched over from the Quake II engine to the Unreal I engine the transition was supposed to take 6 weeks. Going to UE3 I would guess would further delay the game even more, I am guessing they may have had to redo all the assets, environments and everything else in between. Given how much they had worked on the game, it might have delayed the game by several years.

And I am too looking forward to what the modders come up with. I hope there are remakes of Duke Expansions like Duke out in D.C. or Duke Carribean Life's a Beach expansions.

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#115 deactivated-660c2894dc19c
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I did enjoy DNF, so maybe I should give HP a try, if it really is a better game.

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#116 Xtasy26
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The guy who reviewed Duke Nukem Forever is the SAME guy who reviewed Harry Potter. I could understand the discrepancy if it was reviewed by a different reviewer but since it was reviewed by the same guy, talk about credibility fail. Guy has some serious issues when he is docking points in DNF for all the babes, boobs, strippers and all the other adult content in the game. It's as if this guy doesn't love women or is some sort of a feminists who is offended by the adult nature of the game. What was he expecting when he was playing a Duke Nukem game. In what a shape or form is Harry Potter better than Duke Nukem Forever? A score of some where in the 6.0s would have at least been reasonable. I sure hope this guy doesn't review Battlefield 3.

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#117 Xtasy26
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I did enjoy DNF, so maybe I should give HP a try, if it really is a better game.

Icarian

Yeah you should. ;) Since apparently it's reviewed by the same guy who played BOTH games and he believes HP is better than Duke Nukem Forever.

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#118 EggHeadMan
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[QUOTE="Icarian"]

I did enjoy DNF, so maybe I should give HP a try, if it really is a better game.

Xtasy26

Yeah you should. ;) Since apparently it's reviewed by the same guy who played BOTH games and he believes HP is better than Duke Nukem Forever.

he also believes that Killzone 3 is better than DNF

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#119 Phoenix534
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[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

[QUOTE="Xtasy26"]

http://www.gamespot.com/pc/action/harry-potter-and-the-deathly-hallows-part-2/index.html?tag=result%3Btitle%3B1

It beat out Duke Nukem Forever. Goes to show GS score of Duke Nukem Forever was truly a JOKE!

Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows BETTER than Duke Nukem Forever? Give me a break! :roll:

Xtasy26

dnf was garbage how is anything outscoring it any sort of surprise?

If you were locked in a room and had a choice to play between DNF or the latest Harry Potter, are you telling me you would choose Harry Potter over DNF?

I would. I've played both and, while not good by any means, at least Harry Potter doesn't make me want to shoot the writers.

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#120 OreoMilkshake
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I watched both Quick Looks and Harry Potter looks better.
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#121 deactivated-5d6bb9cb2ee20
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Because it's a better game maybe?
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#122 Cheesehead9099
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'Cause Harry Potter is better than DNF.

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#123 drinkerofjuice
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TC, have you played Harry Potter to say it's a worse game? Is it that hard to comprehend that DNF is a bad game?
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#124 Xtasy26
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[QUOTE="Xtasy26"]

[QUOTE="Icarian"]

I did enjoy DNF, so maybe I should give HP a try, if it really is a better game.

EggHeadMan

Yeah you should. ;) Since apparently it's reviewed by the same guy who played BOTH games and he believes HP is better than Duke Nukem Forever.

he also believes that Killzone 3 is better than DNF

How does that nullify his claim that Harry Potter is better than Duke Nukem Forever?

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#125 Xtasy26
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TC, have you played Harry Potter to say it's a worse game? Is it that hard to comprehend that DNF is a bad game?drinkerofjuice

So enlighten me how is Harry Potter better than Duke Nukem Forever? In what way shape or form?

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#126 enterawesome
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[QUOTE="drinkerofjuice"]TC, have you played Harry Potter to say it's a worse game? Is it that hard to comprehend that DNF is a bad game?Xtasy26

So enlighten me how is Harry Potter better than Duke Nukem Forever? In what way shape or form?

Well for starters, it's a lot prettier. It's also not obnoxious and disgusting, ie lack of gross-ass rape jokes.
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[QUOTE="drinkerofjuice"]TC, have you played Harry Potter to say it's a worse game? Is it that hard to comprehend that DNF is a bad game?Xtasy26

So enlighten me how is Harry Potter better than Duke Nukem Forever? In what way shape or form?

I had more fun playing through the game. It looks better. It has a better story. It's mechanics are more consistent that DNF. I could go on, you know.
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#128 EggHeadMan
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[QUOTE="Xtasy26"]

[QUOTE="drinkerofjuice"]TC, have you played Harry Potter to say it's a worse game? Is it that hard to comprehend that DNF is a bad game?charizard1605

So enlighten me how is Harry Potter better than Duke Nukem Forever? In what way shape or form?

I had more fun playing through the game. It looks better. It has a better story. It's mechanics are more consistent that DNF. I could go on, you know.

Thats because you didnt play the superior PC version, with better textures, Full HD, no frame rate dips, and mouse and keyboard controls ;)

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#129 enterawesome
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[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="Xtasy26"]

So enlighten me how is Harry Potter better than Duke Nukem Forever? In what way shape or form?

EggHeadMan

I had more fun playing through the game. It looks better. It has a better story. It's mechanics are more consistent that DNF. I could go on, you know.

Thats because you didnt play the superior PC version, with better textures, Full HD, no frame rate dips, and mouse and keyboard controls ;)

You mean the version that still looks ugly, still is uninspired, and still is painfully gross and unfunny?
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[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="Xtasy26"]

So enlighten me how is Harry Potter better than Duke Nukem Forever? In what way shape or form?

EggHeadMan

I had more fun playing through the game. It looks better. It has a better story. It's mechanics are more consistent that DNF. I could go on, you know.

Thats because you didnt play the superior PC version, with better textures, Full HD, no frame rate dips, and mouse and keyboard controls ;)

Actually, the PC version IS what I played :)
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#131 EggHeadMan
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[QUOTE="EggHeadMan"]

[QUOTE="charizard1605"] I had more fun playing through the game. It looks better. It has a better story. It's mechanics are more consistent that DNF. I could go on, you know.charizard1605

Thats because you didnt play the superior PC version, with better textures, Full HD, no frame rate dips, and mouse and keyboard controls ;)

Actually, the PC version IS what I played :)

then wait for the modders to fix up the game

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#132 EggHeadMan
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[QUOTE="EggHeadMan"]

[QUOTE="charizard1605"] I had more fun playing through the game. It looks better. It has a better story. It's mechanics are more consistent that DNF. I could go on, you know.enterawesome

Thats because you didnt play the superior PC version, with better textures, Full HD, no frame rate dips, and mouse and keyboard controls ;)

You mean the version that still looks ugly, still is uninspired, and still is painfully gross and unfunny?

DNF PC looks better than most console games :?

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#133 GeneralShowzer
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I played only the first Deathly Hallows game, but man was it bad. Can't believe any game was worse, even DNF.
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#134 EggHeadMan
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I played only the first Deathly Hallows game, but man was it bad. Can't believe any game was worse, even DNF.GeneralShowzer
lol @ the guy in your sig

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#135 enterawesome
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[QUOTE="enterawesome"][QUOTE="EggHeadMan"] Thats because you didnt play the superior PC version, with better textures, Full HD, no frame rate dips, and mouse and keyboard controls ;)

EggHeadMan

You mean the version that still looks ugly, still is uninspired, and still is painfully gross and unfunny?

DNF PC looks better than most console games :?

Hell no. There's no flair, no style, no attempt to evoke any feeling or atmosphere. It looks like an old ass game with a lot of Unreal lighting effects placed on top.
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#136 EggHeadMan
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[QUOTE="EggHeadMan"]

[QUOTE="enterawesome"] You mean the version that still looks ugly, still is uninspired, and still is painfully gross and unfunny?enterawesome

DNF PC looks better than most console games :?

Hell no. There's no flair, no style, no attempt to evoke any feeling or atmosphere. It looks like an old ass game with a lot of Unreal lighting effects placed on top.

still looks better than Killzone 3 imo

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#137 enterawesome
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[QUOTE="enterawesome"][QUOTE="EggHeadMan"] DNF PC looks better than most console games :?

EggHeadMan

Hell no. There's no flair, no style, no attempt to evoke any feeling or atmosphere. It looks like an old ass game with a lot of Unreal lighting effects placed on top.

still looks better than Killzone 3 imo

That's great except it has nothing to do with the thread.
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#138 GreySeal9
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[QUOTE="Xtasy26"]

[QUOTE="Icarian"]

I did enjoy DNF, so maybe I should give HP a try, if it really is a better game.

EggHeadMan

Yeah you should. ;) Since apparently it's reviewed by the same guy who played BOTH games and he believes HP is better than Duke Nukem Forever.

he also believes that Killzone 3 is better than DNF

So what? The consensus is that Killzone 3 is a hell of alot better than DNF.

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#139 GreySeal9
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[QUOTE="EggHeadMan"]

[QUOTE="enterawesome"] Hell no. There's no flair, no style, no attempt to evoke any feeling or atmosphere. It looks like an old ass game with a lot of Unreal lighting effects placed on top.enterawesome

still looks better than Killzone 3 imo

That's great except it has nothing to do with the thread.

Not to mention that DNF in no way shape or form looks better than KZ3.

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[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="EggHeadMan"] Thats because you didnt play the superior PC version, with better textures, Full HD, no frame rate dips, and mouse and keyboard controls ;)

EggHeadMan

Actually, the PC version IS what I played :)

then wait for the modders to fix up the game

If I have to wait for modders to fix a game up, then clearly it wasn't good to begin with.
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#141 EggHeadMan
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[QUOTE="EggHeadMan"]

[QUOTE="charizard1605"] Actually, the PC version IS what I played :)charizard1605

then wait for the modders to fix up the game

If I have to wait for modders to fix a game up, then clearly it wasn't good to begin with.

most of bethesda's games come to mind

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#142 EvanTheGamer
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[QUOTE="EvanTheGamer"]

Simple.

Harry Potter is better than Duke Nukem.

Deal with it.

Xtasy26

You would rather play Harry Potter over Duke Nukem. :roll:

Apperently HP is better than DNF so yea.

Maybe you'd prefer HP if it had kindergarten level potty jokes...