How did MS manage to screw up their 2009 so badly?

2007 ps3 = 2009 360

So let me get this straight, the 360 has nothing coming on the exclusive front for months and what it does have isn't looking like AA/AAA material. It's pretty arrogant of them to just sit back and rely on multiplats given that a PS3 price cut could kill that strategy.

teh_cell

6 Exclusives have came out already for 360.

Microsoft will announce games at E3 and we have few more game contvention after e3 and don't forgoet the hoildays were we will some awsome for gamers and so Microsoft didn't screw up this year

So let me get this straight, the 360 has nothing coming on the exclusive front for months and what it does have isn't looking like AA/AAA material. It's pretty arrogant of them to just sit back and rely on multiplats given that a PS3 price cut could kill that strategy.

Just Wait

MrSlippery39

Funny how Sony Fanboys used to say it, now Lemmings are now saying it :lol:

Yes it is March, but you are a fool if you think the development of a major title could be kept totally under wraps.

teh_cell

Bungie and Valve are currently doing it :|

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Just Wait

Disturbed123

Funny how Sony Fanboys used to say it, now Lemmings are now saying it :lol:

Because MS specifically told us to wait for E3.... maybe........... ;)

Yes it is March, but you are a fool if you think the development of a major title could be kept totally under wraps.

teh_cell

Why don't we wait 'til the end of the year to start asking suchquestions? :? (and, btw, the 360's year looks amazing).IronBass

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So let me get this straight, the 360 has nothing coming on the exclusive front for months and what it does have isn't looking like AA/AAA material. It's pretty arrogant of them to just sit back and rely on multiplats given that a PS3 price cut could kill that strategy.

6 Exclusives have came out already for 360.

So let me get this straight, the 360 has nothing coming on the exclusive front for months and what it does have isn't looking like AA/AAA material. It's pretty arrogant of them to just sit back and rely on multiplats given that a PS3 price cut could kill that strategy.

teh_cell

2007 ps3 = 2009 360

PrinceofSarcasm

[QUOTE="teh_cell"]

Yes it is March, but you are a fool if you think the development of a major title could be kept totally under wraps.

krp008

Bungie and Valve are currently doing it :|

I will make one point in defense of the TC, although I am certain there will be some announcements from M$. What they are remains to be seen of course. Anyway, I would just like to remind everyone that back at this point in 2007, we already knew of games like Mass Effect and Bioshock. So, if there are indeed any games of that sort of calibre that Microsoft plans on releasing this year, do you really think that they are going to wait until June of this year to reveal them for the first time if they are going to be released this year? A very valid question, I think.

Personally, I think that there may indeed be some big announcements, but at the mid point of the year, it is more than likely they will be 2010 releases. I guess there are plenty of folks who will be excited for some Gears 2 DLC and the Halo expansion, ODST, and that's cool. Does not quite do it for me though, personally. I will remain mildly optimistic about what they plan on revealing at E3 though, but I am honestly not expecting any Mass Effect 2 level game to be released this year on the 360 as an exclusive. We shall see though.

Where's those big announcements microsoft supposibly had for gdc?bigmacattackjac

screwed 2009??? wait 2009 is over???

seriously i am sure MS will have some interesting announcements for this year..

The rest of the world doesn't deny the existence of multiplats. Not to mention that you think MS has screwed up despite outselling Sony on a global level since October 2008. Fact > Fiction.Senor_Kami

Sales are always nice if you are on the receiving end of the profits. However, form a perspective of a consumer, I just care about the games, which is after all, what this topic is about, no?

The rest of the world doesn't deny the existence of multiplats. Not to mention that you think MS has screwed up despite outselling Sony on a global level since October 2008. Fact > Fiction.Senor_Kami

And Sony out-sold the 360 from 2006 to the end of 2008 on a global level.

With barely any games until 2008, at a price of 500$-600$.

And that proves sales are a very poor indicator/judgement of a systems success.

So let me get this straight, the 360 has nothing coming on the exclusive front for months and what it does have isn't looking like AA/AAA material. It's pretty arrogant of them to just sit back and rely on multiplats given that a PS3 price cut could kill that strategy.

teh_cell

[QUOTE="Senor_Kami"]The rest of the world doesn't deny the existence of multiplats. Not to mention that you think MS has screwed up despite outselling Sony on a global level since October 2008. Fact > Fiction.angry_fork

And Sony out-sold the 360 from 2006 to the end of 2008 on a global level.

With barely any games until 2008, at a price of 500$-600$.

And that proves sales are a very poor indicator/judgement of a systems success.

[QUOTE="Senor_Kami"]The rest of the world doesn't deny the existence of multiplats. Not to mention that you think MS has screwed up despite outselling Sony on a global level since October 2008. Fact > Fiction.ironcreed

Sales are always nice if you are on the receiving end of the profits. However, form a perspective of a consumer, I just care about the games, which is after all, what this topic is about, no?

Example: Gamers say they want new IPs, but companies make new IPs that are reviewed well and they flop. Meanwhile Call of Duty 28 gets mediocre reviews and is one of the best sellers. Clearly, new IPs is just something people say that want, but when it comes down to actually standing behind those words,they seal their wallets and run for the hills in droves.

You guys assume that exclusives is the end all be all and that the PS3 is the king of that. However, when it comes down to having consumers stand behind those words, it's clear that they either a) don't feel that the PS3 is the 2009 exclusive king or b) don't care about who is the exclusive king. They see a PS3 and they see a 360, and on a global level they are choosing the 360. You can argue that exclusives are the only games that matter and that the PS3 is the king of that, but thats just your opinion. The masses of gamers clearly don't see that as being important enough to go with a PS3 over a 360.

Fact > Fiction

Or maybe exclusive are the end all be all... but your super hyped PS3 exclusives are games that nobody cares about, lol.

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[QUOTE="Senor_Kami"]The rest of the world doesn't deny the existence of multiplats. Not to mention that you think MS has screwed up despite outselling Sony on a global level since October 2008. Fact > Fiction.Senor_Kami

Sales are always nice if you are on the receiving end of the profits. However, form a perspective of a consumer, I just care about the games, which is after all, what this topic is about, no?

Example: Gamers say they want new IPs, but companies make new IPs that are reviewed well and they flop. Meanwhile Call of Duty 28 gets mediocre reviews and is one of the best sellers. Clearly, new IPs is just something people say that want, but when it comes down to actually standing behind those words,they seal their wallets and run for the hills in droves.

You guys assume that exclusives is the end all be all and that the PS3 is the king of that. However, when it comes down to having consumers stand behind those words, it's clear that they either a) don't feel that the PS3 is the 2009 exclusive king or b) don't care about who is the exclusive king. They see a PS3 and they see a 360, and on a global level they are choosing the 360. You can argue that exclusives are the only games that matter and that the PS3 is the king of that, but thats just your opinion. The masses of gamers clearly don't see that as being important enough to go with a PS3 over a 360.

Fact > Fiction

Or maybe exclusive are the end all be all... but your super hyped PS3 exclusives are games that nobody cares about, lol.

Quick question for you, since sales is the only argument that you can bring to the table in a discussion about what exclusives the 360 IS YET to announce for '09. Had the 360 not launched a full year before the PS3, just how many more units do you really think the 360 would be ahead by? I mean, far be it for me to think that a full years head start is any sort of advantage sales wise at all, lol. Larger user base= more game sales. No arguing that logic, but a year head start on building that user base is very much a part of that whether you want to admit it or not, friend.

By the way, I also own a 360, so yes, exclusives are indeed a big deal to someone who owns both consoles. As they justify owning both for the exclusives each has on offer. As for your strawman that nobody cares about PS3 exclusives, well, the ridiculousness of that is self explanatory, so I will just let you hold on to that one, beings it makes you feel more comfortable and all. However, the fact still remains that M$ still has not revealed any mega exclusives for this year, and it is not out of line for some of us to be speculating on just what will the 360 have this year in terms of exclusives. If you do not care about exclusives, and are more fond of quoting sales charts instead, then more power to you. Meanwhile, there are those of us that do care, beings that we spoke with our wallets and all.;)

The PS3 has been firing on all cylinders since late last year... The 360 had a bunch of great titles late last year that fanboys are choosing to ignore.. This year the PS3 has MLB the Show and Killzone 2. The 360 has Star Ocean 4 and Halo Wars (both of which got less than stellar reviews).. And they both got Street Fighter VI and Resident Evil 5.. Say what you want about the lack of software, however both system's have great games out right now. it's just that one has better reviewed exclusives..

So you work for Microsoft and know for sure that they are aren't going to have anything good coming out this year? Who said that is their strategy, where did you get that from? I think you have to really sit back, wait and see. '09 is not even a quarter over yet and you said that have failed '09? I gues..... :roll:

Had the 360 not launched a full year ahead of the PS3 would... who cares? Had Sony never entered the console race, we'd all be playing Dreamcast 2 and the Wii would be a graphics powerhouse. I live in reality. If we could time travel to the year 3284 guess what: the 360 still would have launched a year before the competition. You can't undo that event from history. It's there and will always be there. As far as 2009 exclusives, all the ones that i'm interested in have already came out (Star Ocean 4). However, the 360 has an AMAZING game line-up: Street Fighter 4, Resident Evil 5, Alpha Protocol (which everyone totally ignore for some reason), the Witcher and alot of other games. Yes, they are multiplats, but this thread acts like multiplats don't exist. The only good games are exclusives, therefor the console with fewer exclusives has "screwed up". I disagree with that. Multiplats can be great games, on sales charts they dominate so not only are they well reviewed games, but they're the games that people actually forking out money for on a massive level. And what are the PS3 exclusives? Killzone 2? I hate FPS so I don't care about them, but even if I did... Halo 3 ODST is coming out and that the same genre, basically the same gameplay. Then you have Infamous or Prototype, two games so similar that I have a hard time remember which one is which. And i'm not alone. You listen to podcast from industry people (HotSpot, Listen UP, Gamescoop) and they even have a hard time remembering which is which. I'll give shouts to Heavy Rain for being one of the only PS3 exclusives for 2009 that isn't totally genre matched by a 360 game, but I think that title will get A-AA reviews and will be a total sales flop. You've got all these "exclusives" that are identical to an exclusive on the rival platform or the same as some multiplat game thats coming out. I don't think those exclusives matter at all. They aren't offering you any gameplay that you can't get anywhere else. And thats why I bring up sales. I think people go into a store, they see the PS3, they see the 360 and to them, the game lineup is the same. The only difference is that one is $200 more than the other and then its a no brainer. The exclusives either aren't worth mentioning, they're identical to some other exclusive/multiplat or they're the best games that only a super minority of the gaming public is really hyped about or interested in.Senor_Kami

Basically you are using your opinion to try to state facts. As far as you saying Sony should have never entered the console race this time around would put you in the minority, sir. By the way, they sure as hell were doing it before Microsoft and have been fairly successful last time I checked. As far as the PS3's exclusives this year go, there is more than KZ2, my friend. Infamous, Uncharted 2, Heavy Rain,possibly God of War III. Oh, and all of those multiplats you mentioned that are looking to be great games....they are on the PS3 as well as the aforementioned exclusives. Yet some how you act as if they only apply to the 360? Nice try, but no cigar, bud.

When it is all said and done, which games you prefer all comes down to personal preference. So, please do not sit there and try to argue to me that the PS3 is worthless because you personally do not like any of the games. Especially when all you bring to the table to back your argument up is sales and multiplats that are on the PS3 as well, lol. In the case of you bringing up ODST though...it is an EXPANSION PACK, not a full game. So, please, just don't even go there when comparing to a FULL GAME in KZ2.

Anyway, as I said, I also own a 360, which I also love. The fact is though, they have not announced any mega exclusives as of yet, no matter how much you try to spin it and create strawman arguments to take light off of that fact. As is evidenced by your using multiplats to compare to PS3 exclusives, which is intsa-fail, as those same games are on PS3 as well. Like it or not, there are those of us who buy both consoles for the exclusives each offer. You can pretend that exclusives do not matter all you like, that FACT remains all the same.

MS should just make games, because they obviously can't make hardware.

too early to say

Since multiplats sell much better on the 360, I think the OP is either in denial or grasping at straws.

So let me get this straight, the 360 has nothing coming on the exclusive front for months and what it does have isn't looking like AA/AAA material. It's pretty arrogant of them to just sit back and rely on multiplats given that a PS3 price cut could kill that strategy.

teh_cell

let them play the sales card, we'll keep playing great games.

I really don't like how games like Alan Wake and ME2 aren't considered exclusives. They are console exclusives and will only be out on Microsoft platforms. They should be considered exclusive if they don't come out on a Sony or Nin console, and vice versa (MLB the show) . I bought a PS3 near launch (60GB) and don't have a high end PC so I got a 360 to play games like ME and Gears.Deathtransit

Like it or not, there are those of us who buy both consoles for the exclusives each offer. You can pretend that exclusives do not matter all you like, that FACT remains all the same.ironcreed

I think the confusion may be that I never said one critical opinion of mine:

I think software drives console sales.

Thats the main reason that I think people buy consoles. When a major game comes out for a console, that console's sales peak during that same time period. Gears, Mario Galaxy, MGS4, Halo 3, etc etc. I never said exclusives are a zero factor. On the contrary they can be a major factor when the consumer makes them a major factor. Look at the Wii. It's not living off of its multiplats, it's living basically 100% of it's exclusive games. Wii Sports, Wii Play, Wii Fit, etc etc are consistent software chart toppers and the Wii is a consistent hardware chart topper. Consumers enjoy Wii software and they're buying Wiis to play it on. Lets say that the Wii was getting outsold by every other console out. Could you honestly call the Wii's lineup a success compared to everyone elses?

I'm saying that the TC is saying that MS has failed for 2009 and that there is no evidence to support that. I'm saying that MS's exclusive line-up has "failed" so much that the system has been outselling the PS3 on a global level since October 2008. I'm saying that the PS3's 2009 exclusive are so awesome that the PS3 has been getting outsold on a global level since 2008. The only failure to me is Sony's allegedly "awesome" game line up not being able to motivate people into buying it's system on the same level that MS's allegedly "failed" game lineup motivates people to buy their system.

You keep saying this is just my opinion, but there is undeniable statistical evidence that supports what i'm saying. Where is your data other than, "Killzone 2 is ftw". Apparently not ftw enough to get people to buy a console... which is the entire point.

we are in the third month of the year :|Giancar

So let me get this straight, the 360 has nothing coming on the exclusive front for months and what it does have isn't looking like AA/AAA material. It's pretty arrogant of them to just sit back and rely on multiplats given that a PS3 price cut could kill that strategy.

teh_cell

I hope that the PS3 starts kicking the 360s can. M$ made a faulty console and rushed it out a year ahead just to beat Sony and let the public deal with their faulty console. They need to go to last place now.

So let me get this straight, the 360 has nothing coming on the exclusive front for months and what it does have isn't looking like AA/AAA material. It's pretty arrogant of them to just sit back and rely on multiplats given that a PS3 price cut could kill that strategy.

teh_cell

To be fair how many games have Sony announced this year you haven't known were in development for the past four years? :| these threads need to stop because they are all going to haunt us when somebody digs them up come e3....

[QUOTE="ironcreed"]Like it or not, there are those of us who buy both consoles for the exclusives each offer. You can pretend that exclusives do not matter all you like, that FACT remains all the same.Senor_Kami

I think the confusion may be that I never said one critical opinion of mine:

I think software drives console sales.

Thats the main reason that I think people buy consoles. When a major game comes out for a console, that console's sales peak during that same time period. Gears, Mario Galaxy, MGS4, Halo 3, etc etc. I never said exclusives are a zero factor. On the contrary they can be a major factor when the consumer makes them a major factor. Look at the Wii. It's not living off of its multiplats, it's living basically 100% of it's exclusive games. Wii Sports, Wii Play, Wii Fit, etc etc are consistent software chart toppers and the Wii is a consistent hardware chart topper. Consumers enjoy Wii software and they're buying Wiis to play it on. Lets say that the Wii was getting outsold by every other console out. Could you honestly call the Wii's lineup a success compared to everyone elses?

I'm saying that the TC is saying that MS has failed for 2009 and that there is no evidence to support that. I'm saying that MS's exclusive line-up has "failed" so much that the system has been outselling the PS3 on a global level since October 2008. I'm saying that the PS3's 2009 exclusive are so awesome that the PS3 has been getting outsold on a global level since 2008. The only failure to me is Sony's allegedly "awesome" game line up not being able to motivate people into buying it's system on the same level that MS's allegedly "failed" game lineup motivates people to buy their system.

You keep saying this is just my opinion, but there is undeniable statistical evidence that supports what i'm saying. Where is your data other than, "Killzone 2 is ftw". Apparently not ftw enough to get people to buy a console... which is the entire point.

So, you are basing your entire argument on 4 months of sales then? While at the same time, you are writing the PS3's exclusive line up for this year as a failure before they have even released. Also, how nice of you to completely avoid every point I have made and come to the conclusion that all I was saying is "KZ2 FTW," when I have never even mentioned Killzone 2. However, you have completely avoided the topic at hand anyway, so it is not so suprising, really.

I also did not say that the 360 will not have any announcements, I simply said that as it stands now, there are no major exclusive releases, yet you hilariously resort to comapring multiplats to the PS3's exclusive line-up, even though the PS3 will be getting said multiplats as well. Then of course you have to play the sales card, yet when I bring up the fact that the PS3 launched a full year later, you say that has nothing to do with anything, completely avoiding the subject altogether and just choose to stick to the past 4 months instead.

You are in a topic about the lack of announcements thus far about 360 exclusives for THIS YEAR, and all you bring to the table is hardware sales for the past 4 months. Are those numbers indicitive somehow of what will transpire for the remainder of the year? If you are indeed suggesting that, then are you not just as guilty as the TC for saying that the PS3 has nothing worthwile for '09, just as he is suggesting the 360 has nothing? The difference is, regardless of what the sales numbers are for the past 4 months, the PS3 easily has more in regards to exclusives thus far, and it is also getting the multiplats that you keep trying to bring into the subject. As if multiplats are comparable to PS3's exclusives, even though they will be on the PS3 as well, lol.

In closing, all I am going on is what we know now, and I am hoping that the 360 does indeed have some great exclusive announcements, as I own both consoles for the exlcusives each has. This topic has nothing to do with who sold what for the past 4 months, but what games will be released exclusively for the 360 in'09. It is not out of line to speculate on what exclusives or lack thereof may be released THIS YEAR. Sales of hardware for the past 4 months has nothing to do with it, no matter how much you try to change the subject. We are talking about exclusives here, and thus far, the 360 is running rather thin in that regard as it relates to what they will be releasing this year, good hardware sales are not.