How Far Would PC Be Right Now If It Weren't Held Back By Consoles?

if pc had never been held back by consoles what type of graphics and tech would we be seeing right now?

would we be already be playing this?

No this is a failed arguement. First of all you wouldn't have the funds to support these games, second you woulnd't be able to run them, high end GPUS like 680's and 7970's are getting 60-80 fps in games like farcry 3 and BF3, if you want to make the jump to these games then there is no way current gen GPUS could support them at playable framerates. Also low end - mid PC users make up the majority of users. There hasn't been a PC Exclusive that looks NEXT GEN, games like the Witcher 2 don't look head and shoulders over there console counterparts.

Get off your high horse jack ass

Lol with out sconsoles Gaming would be much more of a niche. Kiss most of your big budget AAA multiplats good buy, because studios just plain wouldn't exist.

Lol with out sconsoles Gaming would be much more of a niche. Kiss most of your big budget AAA multiplats good buy, because studios just plain wouldn't exist.

Jonwh18

No.

I prefer my games to actually be released, not spend 5 years in development modeling each blade of grass. Developers like money, they won't bother making games look that good. Takes way too long.

Lol with out sconsoles Gaming would be much more of a niche. Kiss most of your big budget AAA multiplats good buy, because studios just plain wouldn't exist.

Jonwh18

Pretty much this.

PC gaming was tiny and would have stayed tiny if it wasn't for the consoles and handhelds expanding the market. An expansion to the market brought more people into PC gaming, helping it grow.

if pc had never been held back by consoles what type of graphics and tech would we be seeing right now?

would we be already be playing this?

black_chamber99

Consoles helps the laptop PC market.

A sinking pirateship.

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Lol with out sconsoles Gaming would be much more of a niche. Kiss most of your big budget AAA multiplats good buy, because studios just plain wouldn't exist.

Wasdie

Pretty much this.

PC gaming was tiny and would have stayed tiny if it wasn't for the consoles and handhelds expanding the market. An expansion to the market brought more people into PC gaming, helping it grow.

I agree with Wasdie.

In the end PC helped console gaming and vice versa, without ether we wouldn't have the PC and console games we have today.

games like the Witcher 2 don't look head and shoulders over there console counterparts.

Maneil99

lol...

This is the best comparison. lol they have to use sprites for the console version.

Are PCs really being held back by consoles or just PC games?

Lazy devs.

You know, if they actually spent the time to make a good optimized and stable PC version they might actually see some more sales and less piracy...Shocker.

I'd say the Samaritan and UE4 demo's look that good, and those weren't even rendered on the best of today's hardware.

PC gaming is held back by consoles, but it is also held back by lazy devs, time constraints, and tight budgets.

Lazy devs.

You know, if they actually spent the time to make a good optimized and stable PC version they might actually see some more sales and less piracy...Shocker.

Jebus213

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Lazy devs.

You know, if they actually spent the time to make a good optimized and stable PC version they might actually see some more sales and less piracy...Shocker.

lowe0

but there's simply no excuse when they can just skip the game instead of pirating it, or wait for a Steam sale if it's not worth the asking price.lowe0

Well that's how you think. Not everyone is like you. Not everyone is as rational. A lot of people don't want to skip the game or wait a year or two for a sale....I'm going based off of what I see people say and do *rolls eyes*. If people see something that breaks the game for them they're more likely to pirate it more. Of course some of the people who pirate still see value in the game, but not enough pay for it.

BTW I'm saying there would be "less" piracy and more sales. Didn't say it was going to fully stop piracy.

Also, not everyone claims to play 5-10 minutes of video games out of the whole week or month then somehow finds the time to argue about them all the time on a gaming forum.

Lol with out sconsoles Gaming would be much more of a niche. Kiss most of your big budget AAA multiplats good buy, because studios just plain wouldn't exist.

Jonwh18

I would be

so completely ok with that

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Lol with out sconsoles Gaming would be much more of a niche. Kiss most of your big budget AAA multiplats good buy, because studios just plain wouldn't exist.

BigDaddyPOLO

I would be

so completely ok with that

Sorry but just because you are a hipster indie lover doesn't mean everyone else is. Without AAA releases DD sales fall, Graphic Engines aren't made, and there for you are actually taking a step backwards

Lol with out sconsoles Gaming would be much more of a niche. Kiss most of your big budget AAA multiplats good buy, because studios just plain wouldn't exist.

Jonwh18

before nintendo gaming was almost Dead so think about that one before making another thread in fact it was so bad that nintendo was even scared when it first entered and only tested in a certain amount of states before everyone else got it ,

without Nintendo -sega ms or sony also would never been where they were , thanks to atari who nearly killed the industry because they kept throwing same stuff out with no innovation going on `

secondly Nintendo was doing it just right before sony and ms came along , now all we ever hear about is graphics this graphics that shoot this shoot that ,

thirdly , now since all this happened without consoles developers wouldnt be here , not everyone can afford a high end pc

consoles are and will always be known as cheaper alternatives to pc gaming at least nintendo is ,

and thats who started it out anyway , i look at nintendo as the true console , sony and ms just want to be mini computers look at them always boosting about visuals , at least nintendo has a little something to distinct it self

which is why im looking forward to see more of the wii u ,

i could give a S#it less about what those 500 dolar consoles are going to do ,

because i already know their just going to be upgraded visuals and according to rumors , there will be some bad things about them that nintendo wii u doesnt have --such as- always on internet , blocking used games bla bla bla

fact is without consoles pc wouldnt be here! and it wouldnt have made it this far thats for sure

That demo os what you get if you target high-end PC hardware exclusively. PC games can't actually do that, since to you need to be able to scale down to really crappy hardware if you want to make a profit. So even without consoles you wouldn't get that.

[QUOTE="Maneil99"]games like the Witcher 2 don't look head and shoulders over there console counterparts.

Jebus213

lol...

This is the best comparison. lol they have to use sprites for the console version.

I installed Far Cry 3 today. It looks worse than Crysis 1, very bland. Consoles really are holding PCs back now, :( Far Cry 3 only uses ~600mb of RAM on PCs too...

No.

I prefer my games to actually be released, not spend 5 years in development modeling each blade of grass. Developers like money, they won't bother making games look that good. Takes way too long.

Wasdie

And use all that power to render each individual hair or every wire in a chain link fence, right? ;)

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[QUOTE="Maneil99"]games like the Witcher 2 don't look head and shoulders over there console counterparts.

PS360Wii4eva

lol...

That demo os what you get if you target high-end PC hardware exclusively. PC games can't actually do that, since to you need to be able to scale down to really crappy hardware if you want to make a profit. So even without consoles you wouldn't get that.

Teufelhuhn

This, if we had only the PC, herms would quickly start chasing after each other. "Consoles hold back gaming" would be replaced with "Low-end peasants hold back gaming", or something like that. Thing is, there'll always be very few games on the market that'll be fully utilizing top of the end hardware...

Damn, is this the only thing a 1,000 extra does? Looks like the jump to next gen is not gonna be a significant one. PS360Wii4eva

Try this out for size.

Open them both in separate tabs then switch back and forth between both tabs to really see the difference.

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PC

In a world without consoles, PCs would plug right into your brain, and use your mind as a screen. With all this amazing PC technology, we would have the cure for cancer and aids, and we would have solved world hunger. Alas, consoles exist, and thus, ruined the entire world.

As much as I love PC gaming, I actually want that good game sells. I can live without hyper-realistic graphics if that generates better gameplay and support for more platforms, and therefore better profit.

Yeah, Crysis was incredible and still is one of the best looking games out there. But all that glorious graphics was available only to a limited number of gamers who had really top of the notch gaming PCs.

At the end of the day, devs are starting to consider PC as a very viable and powerful platform again, so we get more graphically enhanced ports.

If we had no consoles, then we would have games build from the ground up for pc and alot more optermised. Looks at Hard Reset, Crysis, Metro 2033, these are incrediable looking games and show what the PC can do without being hold back.

That demo os what you get if you target high-end PC hardware exclusively. PC games can't actually do that, since to you need to be able to scale down to really crappy hardware if you want to make a profit. So even without consoles you wouldn't get that.

Teufelhuhn

If we had no consoles, then we would have games build from the ground up for pc and alot more optermised. Looks at Hard Reset, Crysis, Metro 2033, these are incrediable looking games and show what the PC can do without being hold back.

ultimate-k

So PC devs that make PC games and are owned by PC games publishers are being held back by consoles? M'kay.

No this is a failed arguement. First of all you wouldn't have the funds to support these games, second you woulnd't be able to run them, high end GPUS like 680's and 7970's are getting 60-80 fps in games like farcry 3 and BF3, if you want to make the jump to these games then there is no way current gen GPUS could support them at playable framerates. Also low end - mid PC users make up the majority of users. There hasn't been a PC Exclusive that looks NEXT GEN, games like the Witcher 2 don't look head and shoulders over there console counterparts.

Get off your high horse jack ass

Maneil99

Honestly to say that consoles bring in the money... you do know that console lisencing takes a large amount of profit dont you? You know PC games would be alot cheaper, or we keep them at the same price and the extra money can be used for financial security or investment into the company. I cant think of a console exclusive that matches the dominance of World of Warcraft, The Sims in terms of pure financial pulling power. Call of Duty does massively well on PC and gives a supperior experience, PC brings games like Star-Craft, flight simulators, Minecraft, actual competetive FPS games etc, all of these I would argue the console lacks and does nothing better than what a PC can do.

Consoles have exclusives but they are all possible on PC and would be better on PC. The only thing PC gaming lacks is a fully feldged motion control system, although we can argue that a mouse does it best... ironically. But I mean a Wii-mote esqe device, we have the Razor thing but thats not exactly common place. Console gaming from what I understand, doesnt have sales that match steam and Origin. You are stuck with non dedicated servers. You have no real clan support to speak of. You have terrible microphones, you have very little 3rd party support for hardware, and when you do, its usually worse anyway.

Console gaming is the equivelant of buying the cheap alternative. People will do it because its cheaper and they are OK with lesser items. Some people shy away from PC gaming because they see it as an elitest/nerd thing that you dont play games on because you'll get owned, but they are used to consoles because it has the marketing that its an "everymans gaming platform" which is true but so is PC gaming.

Finally the best PC games are not on the consoles, so I am not sure any argument can be made to say consoles are backing up the PC...

if pc had never been held back by consoles what type of graphics and tech would we be seeing right now?

would we be already be playing this?

black_chamber99

I LOL at anyone who thinks gameplay will look this good on next gen consoles.....

I LOL at anyone who thinks gameplay will look this good on next gen consoles.....

gamespot4life

It's not that impressive when you break down the tech.

If there were a Final Fantasy game using that engine it would probably be about as demanding as Far Cry 3 at near max settings.

You honestly believe that console gaming is holding back PC gaming in general? The cost of developement is very high and it's too risky to push graphics beyond anyone. Also, software companies, that are non-gaming companies, are having trouble keeping up with hardware companies since they release new hardware fast.

[QUOTE="lowe0"]but there's simply no excuse when they can just skip the game instead of pirating it, or wait for a Steam sale if it's not worth the asking price.Jebus213

Well that's how you think. Not everyone is like you. Not everyone is as rational. A lot of people don't want to skip the game or wait a year or two for a sale....I'm going based off of what I see people say and do *rolls eyes*. If people see something that breaks the game for them they're more likely to pirate it more. Of course some of the people who pirate still see value in the game, but not enough pay for it.

BTW I'm saying there would be "less" piracy and more sales. Didn't say it was going to fully stop piracy.

Also, not everyone claims to play 5-10 minutes of video games out of the whole week or month then somehow finds the time to argue about them all the time on a gaming forum.

I find it amusing that you're interested in how much time I spend gaming, but if you're going to do so, at least pull the accurate numbers first. I've spent 1.5 hours this past two weeks on Steam, and a few hours on Xbox. Given that you could have confirmed the Steam number with a quick Google, there's really no excuse for getting it wrong.

Anyway, getting back on topic, you know what's holding back PC gaming? Nothing. You're still getting exclusives made, so it's not console hardware. You have crowdfunding, so it's not publishers. And unsigned code still runs without restriction even on Windows 8, so it's not Microsoft. You're getting what the market will support, and since it turns out that it's a pretty good product in the end, I see no reason to complain about that.

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I LOL at anyone who thinks gameplay will look this good on next gen consoles.....

RyviusARC

It's not that impressive when you break down the tech.

If there were a Final Fantasy game using that engine it would probably be about as demanding as Far Cry 3 at near max settings.

I guess your going to be one of the disappointed people when nex gen comes out.

It would be further.

Some multiplatform games on PC does sometimes give me the feeling that they are being held back by consoles. Crysis was a true showcase of what the PC is capable of, and that's from 2007.

This is why I'd like to see more big-budget PC exclusives and I think more developers should put the PC first before consoles.

I guess your going to be one of the disappointed people when nex gen comes out.

gamespot4life

Nah I mainly game on PC and only use consoles for a few exclusives.

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I guess your going to be one of the disappointed people when nex gen comes out.

RyviusARC

Nah I mainly game on PC and only use consoles for a few exclusives.

Same here, now anyway. just got a gtx 660 ti and havent played any of my consoles for about 2 weeks now. waiting for farcry 3 actually.