How is Halo overrated?

as for the good controls: that would be the autoaim.

As for Halo being overrated, well I think since it's extremely popular, a lot of "non-conformist" types hate it simply because of that reason-it's very popular. I personally think it's an average shooter. While halo 3 does have a good lobby system, the gameplay is too simple for my tastes.

mohfrontline

This is a trend that needs to stop. No blind statements calling gameplay in any action game "simple." Super Smash Brothers is as complicated as Halo 3, is as complicated as Counter-Strike. It's as complex as you make it. Become a five star general and compete with professional players in MLG. Then tell me how simple the gameplay is.

[QUOTE="Utensilman"]The game controls so well on a pad compared to pretty much any other FPS on a console, it's controls are even good for a PC standard. Plus KB/M isn't the end all/be all. alot of people prefer using a controller.foxhound_fox

to me, KB/M seems too much like a point and click adventure. except when you click, people die.

I like to think of the Halo series like I do with the Spiderman movies...

The first one, it was pretty awesome. I liked it a lot.

The second one, eh. It got old kind of fast.

The third one, wow it was bad. I couldn't even finish it (same for the movie). It was boring and just a really dull experience.

I would never call the Halo series the best series of all time, and I would never call any of these games the best of their genre, either. The first one had a fun campaign mode and fun online (I played the PC version though, I much prefer it to analog), but the other two just seemed kind of repetetive and just generally not fun. The story, well it was creative, but boring nonetheless. I never cared about anyone's death or what happened. I just kind of played it to finish it.

So yes, in my opinion, Halo is definitely overrated.

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="Utensilman"]The game controls so well on a pad compared to pretty much any other FPS on a console, it's controls are even good for a PC standard. Plus KB/M isn't the end all/be all. alot of people prefer using a controller.MunkeySpunk92

to me, KB/M seems too much like a point and click adventure. except when you click, people die.

Hey if you pull a trigger on a gun, people also die. But it's not that easy right? You have to learn to play the game, learn the maps, how to efficiently kill someone, how to stay alive. And yes, a mouse is more accurate then gamepads and for me, fun is when all my controls work the way I want to and the mouse and keyboard give me that.

So while mouse is better at controlling FPSes and RTSes (and other genres) they are not easier to learn than a controller.

[QUOTE="vashkey"]This is a pathetic thread.footfoe2

this is system was dude what do you expect?

Something at least marginally new.

This topic is so 2007.... No wait, 2006... No, 2005... wait 2004. 2003? 2002? ... No It's 2001 old.

This topic is beating a dead horse. It's been seven years, peaople. Get over it.

I tend to agree with TC.

I love the game.

I can agree to to saying the Halo series is a great FPS, but to say it rivals some of the best made FPSs that eappeared on the PC, thats a bit out there.

How is it? It's not. The general concensus is that it's one of the greatest franchises of all time. End of story.Stevo_the_gamer

I wouldn't go that far.

when comparing CoD4 and Halo3 for me personally, i prefer Halo3. SP gets a big fat Tie in my book on both games but the MP stands out in Halo3 more, soley because of the online splitscreen.Utensilman

COD4 only has the search & destroy and Team Deathmatch gametypes which I like. The grenade spam in every single match is killing it for me.

Halo has grenade spam too but it doesnt bother me that much for some reason. Also The Matchmaking system in Halo is pure win imo. You can literaly feel that the game is getting harder with every rank you go up.

This is how look at it. When I played Halo 1 for the PC, I enjoyed it. The SP sucked and was completely boring in my opinion but the MP was fun for a few months. In the end I realized that I hate recharging energy, fake hit detection, game that feels like its in molasses sometimes and respawn. I prefer Socom over all shooters.

The game took elements from PC gaming and fused it into a console game, but TS was already a great shooter and I do not think Halo was as good as some people made it out to be at the time. Still a good game though, I just did not care for it after 3 months of playing. Same deal with 2 and 3, played them for about an hour and put the controller down.

Its become a primarily multiplayer series.

The first and second have overrated singleplayer.

Multiplayer is great.

The first had a great singleplayer, however people do exaggerate its impact on the genre.

[QUOTE="seany_lad"]goldeneye > haloStevo_the_gamer

RTCW > Perfect Dark

I lean towards both sides.

On one hand- Its a great game

On the other- it has become a bit overrated in certain aspects.

All in all Its a great game that gets TOO much hype..... and TOO much hate.

If there weren't billion dollar advertising campaign, i don't think people would be so critical of Halo.

I also think more people would be less critical of Halo had it not been given some kind of holy crown for innovation. IT didn't innovate.

THat said I love Halo 3, 2 and Halo 1...and will continue to consider Bungie as a great dev until they themselves prove me otherwise.

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]How is it? It's not. The general concensus is that it's one of the greatest franchises of all time. End of story.Chutebox

I wouldn't go that far.

Very few franchises can lay claim to the consistency of Halo.

or the competitive userbase(you have to go strictly PC shooters for that)

or the huge fandom(once again stricly PC games like WoW for that kind of stuff)

I think it would be hard to argue against it, as far as "Franchises" are concerned.

[QUOTE="Chutebox"]

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]How is it? It's not. The general concensus is that it's one of the greatest franchises of all time. End of story.jg4xchamp

I wouldn't go that far.

Very few franchises can lay claim to the consistency of Halo.

or the competitive userbase(you have to go strictly PC shooters for that)

or the huge fandom(once again stricly PC games like WoW for that kind of stuff)

I think it would be hard to argue against it, as far as "Franchises" are concerned.

It's only been out there for two generations. The ones you mentioned above have been here for what, 20+ years?

That is consistency.

I'm not denying it's really earning a spot and all that, but no where near those you listed (and you forgot Final Fantasy!).

I lean towards both sides.

On one hand- Its a great game

On the other- it has become a bit overrated in certain aspects.

All in all Its a great game that gets TOO much hype..... and TOO much hate.

If there weren't billion dollar advertising campaign, i don't think people would be so critical of Halo.

I also think more people would be less critical of Halo had it not been given some kind of holy crown for innovation. IT didn't innovate.

THat said I love Halo 3, 2 and Halo 1...and will continue to consider Bungie as a great dev until they themselves prove me otherwise.

jg4xchamp

yes, with so much hype, people expect Halo to have the best graphics, and provide the most innovative gameplay. But its impossible for this to be all true. People have to understand that the original Halo was revolutionary on the console. It had a great story, and awesome gameplay. It also intertwined vehicle combat and first person shooting into a cohesive multiplayer form that resonated widely with console players. Halo was revolutionary on the console.

Halo3 really tries to give the old halo fans what they want. Good graphics, finished story, and improved multiplayer. Its not innovative because it keeps to its successful roots.

I sometimes look at my halo 3 screen and wonder why this game isnt looking as artistic as bioshock, or get the feeling that things are really similar to halo 2. But honestly, the fact that the halo games have stayed consistent doesnt stop them from being a great series. You may not have loved halo 3 as much, but you love halo 2, and you drooled over halo 1. Lets not forget that.

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"][QUOTE="Chutebox"]

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]How is it? It's not. The general concensus is that it's one of the greatest franchises of all time. End of story.Chutebox

I wouldn't go that far.

Very few franchises can lay claim to the consistency of Halo.

or the competitive userbase(you have to go strictly PC shooters for that)

or the huge fandom(once again stricly PC games like WoW for that kind of stuff)

I think it would be hard to argue against it, as far as "Franchises" are concerned.

It's only been out there for two generations. The ones you mentioned above have been here for what, 20+ years?

That is consistency.

I'm not denying it's really earning a spot and all that, but no where near those you listed (and you forgot Final Fantasy!).

What I meant by that is it's a good franchise with a very large fanbase, but I don't think Halo is in the same league as Mario, FF, Metroid etc etc because they have lasted the test of time, and with flying colors.Chutebox

dude halo came out 7 years ago. There has been 3 iterations each selling over 8 million copies. If its not in the same league, it should be getting there in a couple of years.

What I meant by that is it's a good franchise with a very large fanbase, but I don't think Halo is in the same league as Mario, FF, Metroid etc etc because they have lasted the test of time, and with flying colors.Chutebox

because lets be honest, you have to be top tier franchises to be even in the same sentence as Mario, Zelda, FF as a franchise

Then there is the longevity factor

Then there is the part where they dominate there genre

Platforming, Action/Adventure, JRPG, etc

Huge fanbases

GOTY awards up the yin yang

I mean I don't think you could make a case for any FPS "Franchise" being in the same name. Mainly due to the consistant evoltion/Copy Cat work of the genre.

NO FPS really stands the test of time, they all begin to lose there luster...and in no way will the Halo FPS franchise stand the test of time for its gameplay...maybe its Rich Lore.

[QUOTE="Chutebox"]What I meant by that is it's a good franchise with a very large fanbase, but I don't think Halo is in the same league as Mario, FF, Metroid etc etc because they have lasted the test of time, and with flying colors.wile315

dude halo came out 7 years ago. There has been 3 iterations each selling over 8 million copies. If its not in the same league, it should be getting there in a couple of years.

It's only two generations though, and I use two lightly of course. Lasting this long and still gaining/retaining the fanbase is incredible. It's quicly rising, that's for sure. But I still can't put it up there with those classic franchises.

[QUOTE="Chutebox"]What I meant by that is it's a good franchise with a very large fanbase, but I don't think Halo is in the same league as Mario, FF, Metroid etc etc because they have lasted the test of time, and with flying colors.jg4xchamp

because lets be honest, you have to be top tier franchises to be even in the same sentence as Mario, Zelda, FF as a franchise

Then there is the longevity factor

Then there is the part where they dominate there genre

Platforming, Action/Adventure, JRPG, etc

Huge fanbases

GOTY awards up the yin yang

I mean I don't think you could make a case for any FPS "Franchise" being in the same name. Mainly due to the consistant evoltion/Copy Cat work of the genre.

NO FPS really stands the test of time, they all begin to lose there luster...and in no way will the Halo FPS franchise stand the test of time for its gameplay...maybe its Rich Lore.

Well, I'll take your word for that because the original Halo was my first FPS game lol.

I remember one kid at school said that "Halo started it all" and me and my two (gamer) friends turned to him in shock and awe and went "Are you ******* stupid?" and began to list a bunch of great FPS games (Doom, Half Life, etc etc)

It's statements like that which make it overrated.

Halo1: Fresh and a good game when it came out.

Halo2: Singleplayer was a boring tuberun. Multiplayer felt a little stiff and boring too. Aiming.....

Halo3: I only played the Beta that came with crackdown and it was a snorefest. Craphics did not improve in the final game -_-

Overall controls are okay but nothing like the second coming of Jesus Christ like some people(fanboys) think. (IMO)

Story is pretty bland. Main character is lack of imagination. Weapons are "ok". The game/series is pretty mediocre.

I had more fun with Red Faction 1 than with halo.

7-8/10

I've had a go of the first one on PC and I found no difference between it and any other generic shooter. I tried to find what set it apart but couldn't, the only explanation I could find was the constant ego boosting of having every NPC look up to you from the very start.

This was the game that apparently started it all, I saw nothing in it that hadn't been done many times in other shooters before it. In the end the only conclusion I can reach is Halo was a first big fish in a very small pond.

[QUOTE="Utensilman"][QUOTE="bladeeagle"][QUOTE="Utensilman"]

It's easly the best console developed FPS series on the market. It appeals to "hardcore" and "casual" gamers alike. It has fantastic online. The game controls so well that it rivals most PC FPS's, it even has a decent story for a FPS.

How the hell are these games considered overrated?

bladeeagle

Explain.

The game controls so well on a pad compared to pretty much any other FPS on a console, it's controls are even good for a PC standard. Plus KB/M isn't the end all/be all. alot of people prefer using a controller.

Then why does it require auto aim? Plus your statement doesn't even make sense. It controls so well on a console it rivals PC FPSes? What exactly are you trying to say?

Maybe its just my copy......but it doesn't have auto aim?

[QUOTE="ZimpanX"]Popular and very highly rated games will pretty much always be called overrated by some.desyple

[QUOTE="bladeeagle"][QUOTE="Utensilman"][QUOTE="bladeeagle"][QUOTE="Utensilman"]

It's easly the best console developed FPS series on the market. It appeals to "hardcore" and "casual" gamers alike. It has fantastic online. The game controls so well that it rivals most PC FPS's, it even has a decent story for a FPS.

How the hell are these games considered overrated?

angryfodder

Explain.

The game controls so well on a pad compared to pretty much any other FPS on a console, it's controls are even good for a PC standard. Plus KB/M isn't the end all/be all. alot of people prefer using a controller.

Then why does it require auto aim? Plus your statement doesn't even make sense. It controls so well on a console it rivals PC FPSes? What exactly are you trying to say?

Maybe its just my copy......but it doesn't have auto aim?

It does have autoaim. It also has a sticky reticle which will "stick" to players when you move over them, as well as bullets that will curve in the air, even when you're not using the needler.

It does have autoaim. It also has a sticky reticle which will "stick" to players when you move over them, as well as bullets that will curve in the air, even when you're not using the needler. jeffwulf

yes, though you wont notice it as much compared to other games. every console shooter as atleast a bit of auto aim.

I had horrible Auto-aim issues in Team deathmatch COD4. an enemy walking behind a brick wall (didn't know he was there) and I'm starting to aim to the left all of the sudden. the direction the other guy is walking.

[QUOTE="jeffwulf"]It does have autoaim. It also has a sticky reticle which will "stick" to players when you move over them, as well as bullets that will curve in the air, even when you're not using the needler. killerfist

yes, though you wont notice it as much compared to other games. every console shooter as atleast a bit of auto aim.

I had horrible Auto-aim issues in Team deathmatch COD4. an enemy walking behind a brick wall (didn't know he was there) and I'm starting to aim to the left all of the sudden. the direction the other guy is walking.

Turn off the AimAssist

[QUOTE="angryfodder"][QUOTE="bladeeagle"][QUOTE="Utensilman"][QUOTE="bladeeagle"][QUOTE="Utensilman"]

It's easly the best console developed FPS series on the market. It appeals to "hardcore" and "casual" gamers alike. It has fantastic online. The game controls so well that it rivals most PC FPS's, it even has a decent story for a FPS.

How the hell are these games considered overrated?

jeffwulf

Explain.

The game controls so well on a pad compared to pretty much any other FPS on a console, it's controls are even good for a PC standard. Plus KB/M isn't the end all/be all. alot of people prefer using a controller.

Then why does it require auto aim? Plus your statement doesn't even make sense. It controls so well on a console it rivals PC FPSes? What exactly are you trying to say?

Maybe its just my copy......but it doesn't have auto aim?

It does have autoaim. It also has a sticky reticle which will "stick" to players when you move over them, as well as bullets that will curve in the air, even when you're not using the needler.

[QUOTE="angryfodder"]

Maybe its just my copy......but it doesn't have auto aim?

jeffwulf

It does have autoaim. It also has a sticky reticle which will "stick" to players when you move over them, as well as bullets that will curve in the air, even when you're not using the needler.

are you sure?

I've not played it recently, granted, but I don't remember any auto aim in the MP.

Infact I don't remember much auto aim in many games. The last games I remember seeing it was goldeneye and the airboat level of the orange box

Maybe auto aim is more subtle now

[QUOTE="killerfist"]

[QUOTE="jeffwulf"]It does have autoaim. It also has a sticky reticle which will "stick" to players when you move over them, as well as bullets that will curve in the air, even when you're not using the needler. -Reggaeton-

yes, though you wont notice it as much compared to other games. every console shooter as atleast a bit of auto aim.

I had horrible Auto-aim issues in Team deathmatch COD4. an enemy walking behind a brick wall (didn't know he was there) and I'm starting to aim to the left all of the sudden. the direction the other guy is walking.

Turn off the AimAssist

Back on topic

I don't think its over rated, but it is over hyped.

If compared to a couple games that received 10/10 then Halo is severely underrated ! :P

If compared to a couple games that received 10/10 then Halo is severely underrated ! :P

SecretPolice

Don't start....

[QUOTE="SecretPolice"]

If compared to a couple games that received 10/10 then Halo is severely underrated ! :P

Chutebox

Don't start....

halo 3 deserved a 10 :|

[QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="SecretPolice"]

If compared to a couple games that received 10/10 then Halo is severely underrated ! :P

supermechakirby

Don't start....

halo 3 deserved a 10 :|

For the love of God, noooooooooo

Prepare for thread derail lol

[QUOTE="supermechakirby"][QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="SecretPolice"]

If compared to a couple games that received 10/10 then Halo is severely underrated ! :P

Chutebox

Don't start....

halo 3 deserved a 10 :|

For the love of God, noooooooooo

Prepare for thread derail lol

[QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="SecretPolice"]

If compared to a couple games that received 10/10 then Halo is severely underrated ! :P

supermechakirby

Don't start....

halo 3 deserved a 10 :|

Go figure.

for me, fun is when all my controls work the way I want to and the mouse and keyboard give me that.bladeeagle

[QUOTE="bladeeagle"]

for me, fun is when all my controls work the way I want to and the mouse and keyboard give me that.lowe0

Well that's it. I compete competively and that's why I need my mouse. I just can't use the controller for anything other than singleplayer games.

But yeah it's all down to preference and I prefer the mouse.

[QUOTE="supermechakirby"][QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="SecretPolice"]

If compared to a couple games that received 10/10 then Halo is severely underrated ! :P

skrat_01

Don't start....

halo 3 deserved a 10 :|

Go figure.

Second ^ ^ I think halo 3 deserves a 8.5 also.

It kept too much of the same formula, which is fine as long as you make the story, level design, graphics, gameplay features super polished. Halo 3 didnt deliver in many aspects. But its still a good game and deserves a high score. Just not above a 9.

Halo is overrated all it has is multiplayer and aliens.

Crysis is overrated all it has is graphics.

MGS4 is overrated all it has is cutscenes.

Zelda is overrated, its only good for the kiddies.

Actually every game that i dont like thats got good review scores and is popular is overrated ...

[spoiler] No i'm not being serious, just trying to point out the stupidity of calling something overrated [/spoiler]

so far this gen the only shooter i thought even stood up against halo was gears and gears had alot of online issues (but it still owned) but halo 3 is alot of fun and for those saying "its too simple" stop cuz once u get to general or play 50s in mlg ull understand how hard it actually is. Microsoft1234

I thought COD4 rivaled both and doesn't it currently have more active players too?