How is Nintendo rehashing, and Sony and Microsoft not?

Just curious? After all Nintendo just does 1980s rehashs correct? Idk what to call whatever the hell  MS and Sony are doing, but its looks pretty similar and the fact that you call Nintendo out for putting out a sequel is garbage. Just look at the facts. I posted a couple franchise standings down below for comparison. What did I find? The numbers are extremly similar. This is including hand helds and console releases. 

 Lets compare this gen, last gen, and any announced games for next gen to get a good example. Bundles arent included, i was confused with which gen the DS, 3DS, PSP, and Vita were so I considered 3DS and Vita this gen, DS and PSP last gen for sake of argument, can be changed if needed.

• Halo Games: 7 (5 this gen only)
• Fable Games: 6 ( 5 this gen only)
• Forza Games: 6 (4 this gen only)
• Gears of War: 4 this gen only
• Uncharted: 5 (3 this gen only)
• Killzone: 6 ( 3 this gen only)
• Resistance 5 (4 this gen only)
• Mario Side Scrollers: 4 ( 2 this gen only)
• Mario 3D platformers: 5 (2 this gen only)
• Legend of Zelda:8( 4 this gen)
• Metroid: 5 ( 3 this gen)
• Pikmin 3 ( 0 this gen)

Because Nintendo. And 3DS and Vita are considered next gen. You should update the count.darkspineslayer

 

• Mario Side Scrollers: 4 ( 2 this gen only)

 

 

Bardock47

Every company rehashes. Not only Nintendo, if someone really thinks that he should get his head out of his arse. Rehashes are mainstay of the industry because that is what sells. That is what we buy. Every time we buy a rehash, we pave the way for the future ones. No one but the consumer is guilty of rehashes. Big companies doesn't give two f***s about games or fun, it is a business, they will keep making what we buy.

It looks beyond stupid blaming companies for rehashes. "Every time you spend money, you're casting a vote for the kind of world you want."

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• Mario Side Scrollers: 4 ( 2 this gen only)

 

 

jg4xchamp

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[QUOTE="Bardock47"]

 

• Mario Side Scrollers: 4 ( 2 this gen only)

 

 

Bardock47

Come back to this thread in 15 years when Sony/Microsoft are still using the same character for 25/30+ years.  

.... those titles you listed were born this gen, they aren't over 10 year old franchises besides halo and fable and even the team that created halo got tired of the franchise and moved on and Killzone 1 sold like crap and didn't hit it big till this gen.

[QUOTE="Bardock47"]

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"] I'm going to assume that's just the NEW Super Mario Bros series

jg4xchamp

And I will actually agree with you, yes Sony rehashes but does new stuff as well. Last of Us looks amazing, and I want to play it. THey support a bunch of nee games and ideas. I agree.

and yes Ninty needs to step there game up. Pikmin is amazing, they need to do so much more and make more ips! The fact they have so much great talent and potential and not utilized baffles me. This is not the point I want to make with the thread though, Ninty can be the greatest and recalim th throne easily, with Hradware, games, and more. But that is a different discussion I would like to have another time.

Ill hold my judgment on MS though, maybe they are turning things around, but im skpetical to say the least. I like Halo, but to me, thats all they have and its not as amazing as it used to seem.

But the point of the thread is to point out that Ninty isnt the only one doing this. Im not painting a picture of 'Nintendo is so much better at not reusing an Ip over and over'. Im laying it out and saying the other two are just as guilty, if not more (specically Halo). Im not saying its bad either, as long as they are great games that innovate, why complain? the only reason I see is it takes effort from something new (which is a diffeent can worms I would love to open later).

Again look at the numbers over three gens, I'm not Ninty look pretty either. Im just evening the playing field when the shit hits the fan.

.... those titles you listed were born this gen, they aren't over 10 year old franchises besides halo and fable and even the team that created halo got tired of the franchise and moved on and Killzone 1 sold like crap and didn't hit it big till this gen.

Chris_Williams

I did this as fair as possible take a sample from  last gen, this gen, and next gen. And this is what happens, this is how these games are made and how fast they are churned out. 

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]

[QUOTE="Bardock47"] Has there been any other side scrolling releases? I dint count bundles (All stars is out) and 3D lands is counted as 3D mario, though you could arggue its more unique as its a fusion of the two

Bardock47

And I will actually agree with you, yes Sony rehashes but does new stuff as well. Last of Us looks amazing, and I want to play it. THey support a bunch of nee games and ideas. I agree.

and yes Ninty needs to step there game up. Pikmin is amazing, they need to do so much more and make more ips! The fact they have so much great talent and potential and not utilized baffles me. This is not the point I want to make with the thread though, Ninty can be the greatest and recalim th throne easily, with Hradware, games, and more. But that is a different discussion I would like to have another time.

Ill hold my judgment on MS though, maybe they are turning things around, but im skpetical to say the least. I like Halo, but to me, thats all they have and its not as amazing as it used to seem.

But the point of the thread is to point out that Ninty isnt the only one doing this. Im not painting a picture of 'Nintendo is so much better at not reusing an Ip over and over'. Im laying it out and saying the other two are just as guilty, if not more (specically Halo). Im not saying its bad either, as long as they are great games that innovate, why complain? the only reason I see is it takes effort from something new (which is a diffeent can worms I would love to open later).

Again look at the numbers over three gens, I'm not Ninty look pretty either. Im just evening the playing field when the shit hits the fan.

[QUOTE="Bardock47"]

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"] In the long run of Mario? There is you know the original mario games and mario world, and yoshi's island. You are correct in that Microsoft and Sony milk things when they get hot. It's just 4 mario side scrollers is incorrect. There is a lot more than 4. Regardless the thing is Sony at least funds new relatively good ips more often and frankly so does Microsoft between them: It's Gears of War(new ip this gen), Viva Pinata, Alan Wake, Shadow Complex and Sony publishing Journey, Resistance, Uncharted, Heavenly Sword, Heavy Rain, The Last of Us, Infamous, yada yada.

Nintendo's new ips this gen were Wii-stuff which were casual in their appeal(albeit yeah Wii Sports is tons of fun), and then shit like endless ocean. Plus Microsoft gets the Halo/Gears/Forza flack. Nintendo really needs to do more Xenoblade/Last STory caliber stuff where they take their best teams and put them on newer things. Like Pikmin for the Gamecube. Because otherwise they have a bad habit of putting their best teams on another Mario, another Zelda, another Metroid, another Donkey Kong....

The same way Microsoft needs to do some new things beyond Halo/Gears/Forza, and to a degree they've started showing that with funding for Quantom Break, Black Tusk's game(whatever the f*ck that will be), and Project Spark. Don't know if they'll be good, but it's easier to forgive them right now, because at least they have shown something like they are trying. Nintendo doesn't really do that, you almost randomly discover that they do something new.

jg4xchamp

And I will actually agree with you, yes Sony rehashes but does new stuff as well. Last of Us looks amazing, and I want to play it. THey support a bunch of nee games and ideas. I agree.

and yes Ninty needs to step there game up. Pikmin is amazing, they need to do so much more and make more ips! The fact they have so much great talent and potential and not utilized baffles me. This is not the point I want to make with the thread though, Ninty can be the greatest and recalim th throne easily, with Hradware, games, and more. But that is a different discussion I would like to have another time.

Ill hold my judgment on MS though, maybe they are turning things around, but im skpetical to say the least. I like Halo, but to me, thats all they have and its not as amazing as it used to seem.

But the point of the thread is to point out that Ninty isnt the only one doing this. Im not painting a picture of 'Nintendo is so much better at not reusing an Ip over and over'. Im laying it out and saying the other two are just as guilty, if not more (specically Halo). Im not saying its bad either, as long as they are great games that innovate, why complain? the only reason I see is it takes effort from something new (which is a diffeent can worms I would love to open later).

Again look at the numbers over three gens, I'm not Ninty look pretty either. Im just evening the playing field when the shit hits the fan.

But they are. I don't think its so much an issue with Uncharted. Naughty Dog is onto new things like they are every gen.

People say Nintendo rehases a lot because they do, releasing games and the mario sidescrollers not only on original consoles but on GBA, some on DS, and Wii so on and so forth. 

lol @ ms

And 3DS and Vita are considered next gen.slatetar

any reason why you seperate the 2d and 3d mario games? I know they play differently but halo wars and halo 3 are two different types of the game. isn't halo wars a spin off as well? but I agree with your opinion.

All of the big 3 rehash to a degree, so I wouldn't really target any of them over it. Nintendo's issue though is that they are very lacking in the third party as far as their consoles go, which means the consoles are prone to game droughts.

But they are. I don't think its so much an issue with Uncharted. Naughty Dog is onto new things like they are every gen.

People say Nintendo rehases a lot because they do, releasing games and the mario sidescrollers not only on original consoles but on GBA, some on DS, and Wii so on and so forth. 

lol @ ms

Masenkoe

Already fixed the umbers in OP, was pointed out earlier

Bardock47

any reason why you seperate the 2d and 3d mario games? I know they play differently but halo wars and halo 3 are two different types of the game. isn't halo wars a spin off as well? but I agree with your opinion.

TheShadowLord07

[QUOTE="Bardock47"]

Already fixed the umbers in OP, was pointed out earlier

2ndWonder

[QUOTE="Chris_Williams"]

.... those titles you listed were born this gen, they aren't over 10 year old franchises besides halo and fable and even the team that created halo got tired of the franchise and moved on and Killzone 1 sold like crap and didn't hit it big till this gen.

Bardock47

I did this as fair as possible take a sample from  last gen, this gen, and next gen. And this is what happens, this is how these games are made and how fast they are churned out. 

You said you're not counting Mario All stars, but are you counting Halo Anniversary? And if you count Halo Wars, you have to count every Mario sponsored game Nintendo have been beating out.

I count Halo 1,2 (Xbox gen). And 3, ODST, Reach and 4, this gen. Which isn't bad considering how long this gen has been.

[QUOTE="Bardock47"]

[QUOTE="Chris_Williams"]

.... those titles you listed were born this gen, they aren't over 10 year old franchises besides halo and fable and even the team that created halo got tired of the franchise and moved on and Killzone 1 sold like crap and didn't hit it big till this gen.

HalcyonScarlet

I did this as fair as possible take a sample from  last gen, this gen, and next gen. And this is what happens, this is how these games are made and how fast they are churned out. 

You said you're not counting Mario All stars, but are you counting Halo Anniversary? And if you count Halo Wars, you have to count every Mario sponsored game Nintendo have been beating out.

I count Halo 1,2 (Xbox gen). And 3, ODST, Reach and 4, this gen. Which isn't bad considering how long this gen has been.

While I see what you are saying, I think it's the fact that Nintendo have been rehashing the same characters since their inception, whereas Sony and Microsoft has done far less of that, both investing in far more new characters and IPs with each new generation.

I would have also grouped the Mario games together, because yes they do play differently, but they are fundamentally the same, the same enemies, the same villains, the same power ups and the same darn character; one of the only different thiongs is the viewpoint.

And even if not grouping, I think you miscounted Mario 3D games for this gen, there is at least:

Super Mario 64 DS

Mario Galaxy 1

Mario Galaxy 2

which is 3 not 2, and it wouldn't surprise me if there more than 2 side scrolling Mario games too across the DS and Wii (I can already think of New Super Mario Bros for DS and Wii, but there is probably more).

That aside that is still at least 5 this gen. I think I should also point out, Sony and Microsoft have had a longer gen this gen (Microsoft has been more than 8 years, Sony will be 7 years, and Nintendo was only 6 years.) It would thus be more accurate if you compared games in 10 years.

[QUOTE="HalcyonScarlet"]

[QUOTE="Bardock47"] That makes it better? 8 Halo games since its inception, two more are alredy confimed on the way that I didnt list so I could bump that to ten. 

I did this as fair as possible take a sample from  last gen, this gen, and next gen. And this is what happens, this is how these games are made and how fast they are churned out. 

Bardock47

You said you're not counting Mario All stars, but are you counting Halo Anniversary? And if you count Halo Wars, you have to count every Mario sponsored game Nintendo have been beating out.

I count Halo 1,2 (Xbox gen). And 3, ODST, Reach and 4, this gen. Which isn't bad considering how long this gen has been.

Halo Annerversary is just a graphics upgrade, you can even switch between the graphics on the fly and that is it, nothings been remade. Counting HD re-releases does not help your case.

Mario games this gen:

- Super Mario 64 (DS)

- Super Paper Mario (Wii)

- New Super Mario Bros (DS)

- New Super Mario Bros 2 (DS)

- Super Mario Galaxy (Wii)

- Super Mario Galaxy 2 (Wii)

- Mario Strikers Charged (Wii)

- Mario Kart (Wii)

- Mario Kart (DS)

- Mario Party DS

- New Super Mario Bros (Wii)

- Mario VS Donkey Kong 2 (DS)

- Mario Party 8 (Wii)

- Mario Party 9 (Wii)

- Mario Sports Mix (Wii)

- Mario & Luigi: Bowsers inside Story (DS)

- Mario Super SLuggers (Wii)

- Mario & Luigi: Partners in time (DS)

- Mario Hoops 3 on 3 (DS)

- Mario VS Donkey Kong: Mini land mayhem (DS)

- Mario VS Donkey Kong: Minis march again (DS)

21!!!

Tell me, is that not milking? Now find any character from Sony or Microsoft (heck pick 2 for giggles and combine them) that is milked this much?

Also, Zelda games this gen:

- Link's Crossbow training (Wii)

- Twilight Princess (Wii)

- Skyward Sword (Wii)

- Spirit tracks (DS)

- Phantom Hourglass (DS)

5, that's more than any Sony IP this gen, and this isn't even Nintendo's biggest franchise.

You should remove Halo from that list as it's actually been innovative XxR3m1xInHDn3D

I'd have to agree, every Halo game actually feels different, some in a good way others not so much.

Halo 3 is traditional Halo at it's best imo.

ODST, was very different because you didn't have Master Chiefs suit abilities. I didn't like that as much, but played through it.

Reach, again felt like a very different game. It's like an open world version of Halo, with suit upgrade and I didn't get on with it much.

Halo 4 feels different to from Halo 3 and even Reach quite a lot. I didn't enjoy the way it was tweaked the gunplay, I can't put my finger on it.

Mario games this gen:

- Super Mario 64 (DS)

- Super Paper Mario (Wii)

- New Super Mario Bros (DS)

- New Super Mario Bros 2 (DS)

- Super Mario Galaxy (Wii)

- Super Mario Galaxy 2 (Wii)

- Mario Strikers Charged (Wii)

- Mario Kart (Wii)

- Mario Kart (DS)

- Mario Party DS

- New Super Mario Bros (Wii)

- Mario VS Donkey Kong 2 (DS)

- Mario Party 8 (Wii)

- Mario Party 9 (Wii)

- Mario Sports Mix (Wii)

- Mario & Luigi: Bowsers inside Story (DS)

- Mario Super SLuggers (Wii)

- Mario & Luigi: Partners in time (DS)

- Mario Hoops 3 on 3 (DS)

- Mario VS Donkey Kong: Mini land mayhem (DS)

- Mario VS Donkey Kong: Minis march again (DS)

 

21!!!

 

Tell me, is that not milking? Now find any character from Sony or Microsoft (heck pick 2 for giggles and combine them) that is milked this much?

_Matt_

Also I think Marios various outings to the Olympics and some Tennis and Golf, i'm not sure.

[QUOTE="XxR3m1xInHDn3D"]You should remove Halo from that list as it's actually been innovative HalcyonScarlet

I'd have to agree, every Halo game actually feels different, some in a good way others not so much.

Halo 3 is traditional Halo at it's best imo.

ODST, was very different because you didn't have Master Cheifs suit abilities. I didn't like that as much, but played through it.

Reach, again felt like a very different game. It's like an open world version of Halo, with suit upgrade and I din't get on with it much.

Halo 4 feels different to from Halo 3 and even Reach quite a lot. I didn't enjoy the way it was tweaked the gunplay, I can't put my finger on it.

Pfft, it's similar enough to remain in that list though. You shouldn't say these sorts of things, the Sheep will then claim about how much Mario has innovated and changed in the last 10 years.

[QUOTE="_Matt_"]

Mario games this gen:

- Super Mario 64 (DS)

- Super Paper Mario (Wii)

- New Super Mario Bros (DS)

- New Super Mario Bros 2 (DS)

- Super Mario Galaxy (Wii)

- Super Mario Galaxy 2 (Wii)

- Mario Strikers Charged (Wii)

- Mario Kart (Wii)

- Mario Kart (DS)

- Mario Party DS

- New Super Mario Bros (Wii)

- Mario VS Donkey Kong 2 (DS)

- Mario Party 8 (Wii)

- Mario Party 9 (Wii)

- Mario Sports Mix (Wii)

- Mario & Luigi: Bowsers inside Story (DS)

- Mario Super SLuggers (Wii)

- Mario & Luigi: Partners in time (DS)

- Mario Hoops 3 on 3 (DS)

- Mario VS Donkey Kong: Mini land mayhem (DS)

- Mario VS Donkey Kong: Minis march again (DS)

 

21!!!

 

Tell me, is that not milking? Now find any character from Sony or Microsoft (heck pick 2 for giggles and combine them) that is milked this much?

HalcyonScarlet

Also I think Marios various outings to the Olympics and some Tennis and Golf, i'm not sure.

Yeah there were a few I left out (there were at least 3 Mario and Sonic at the Olympics games this gen), the tennis and Golf is next gen (on the 3DS) so they doin't count.

I think the best comparison I would make if I could be bothered was to count how many mario games there have been from 2003 - 2013, and then do the same for the Sony and Microsoft franchises... I could probably add ALL the Sony and Microsoft main ones together (Uncharted, Resistance, Killzone, God of War, Gears of War, Halo, and Forza) and still have less than number of Mario games in that time frame.

A simple question to prove you what is going on ...

How many new IPs Nintendo made the last 10-15 years and how many Sony ? And that question just ends your topic !

What if there are 5-6 Gran Turismo out there , sure you can call it rehashing for this individual title , though 6 Turismos since mid 90s are not that many comparable to 200+ mario titles that 150 of them are just bad  but anyways... How many first party good exclusives , NEW IPs in particular ,  you played on Nintendo systems comparabe to Sonys the last 15 years or so ?

Not even 1/10 .. Google and youll see what i mean.

[QUOTE="XxR3m1xInHDn3D"]You should remove Halo from that list as it's actually been innovative HalcyonScarlet

I'd have to agree, every Halo game actually feels different, some in a good way others not so much.

Halo 3 is traditional Halo at it's best imo.

ODST, was very different because you didn't have Master Chiefs suit abilities. I didn't like that as much, but played through it.

Reach, again felt like a very different game. It's like an open world version of Halo, with suit upgrade and I didn't get on with it much.

Halo 4 feels different to from Halo 3 and even Reach quite a lot. I didn't enjoy the way it was tweaked the gunplay, I can't put my finger on it.

[QUOTE="HalcyonScarlet"]

[QUOTE="XxR3m1xInHDn3D"]You should remove Halo from that list as it's actually been innovative _Matt_

I'd have to agree, every Halo game actually feels different, some in a good way others not so much.

Halo 3 is traditional Halo at it's best imo.

ODST, was very different because you didn't have Master Cheifs suit abilities. I didn't like that as much, but played through it.

Reach, again felt like a very different game. It's like an open world version of Halo, with suit upgrade and I din't get on with it much.

Halo 4 feels different to from Halo 3 and even Reach quite a lot. I didn't enjoy the way it was tweaked the gunplay, I can't put my finger on it.

Pfft, it's similar enough to remain in that list though. You shouldn't say these sorts of things, the Sheep will then claim about how much Mario has innovated and changed in the last 10 years.

lol :P. Fairs fair, with your Mario 64 DS one though also we can count all the game cube games Nintendo re-released on the Wii with the tacked on Wii controller play. TC counted the Halo Anniversary re-release.

[QUOTE="HalcyonScarlet"]

[QUOTE="_Matt_"]

Mario games this gen:

- Super Mario 64 (DS)

- Super Paper Mario (Wii)

- New Super Mario Bros (DS)

- New Super Mario Bros 2 (DS)

- Super Mario Galaxy (Wii)

- Super Mario Galaxy 2 (Wii)

- Mario Strikers Charged (Wii)

- Mario Kart (Wii)

- Mario Kart (DS)

- Mario Party DS

- New Super Mario Bros (Wii)

- Mario VS Donkey Kong 2 (DS)

- Mario Party 8 (Wii)

- Mario Party 9 (Wii)

- Mario Sports Mix (Wii)

- Mario & Luigi: Bowsers inside Story (DS)

- Mario Super SLuggers (Wii)

- Mario & Luigi: Partners in time (DS)

- Mario Hoops 3 on 3 (DS)

- Mario VS Donkey Kong: Mini land mayhem (DS)

- Mario VS Donkey Kong: Minis march again (DS)

 

21!!!

 

Tell me, is that not milking? Now find any character from Sony or Microsoft (heck pick 2 for giggles and combine them) that is milked this much?

_Matt_

Also I think Marios various outings to the Olympics and some Tennis and Golf, i'm not sure.

Yeah there were a few I left out (there were at least 3 Mario and Sonic at the Olympics games this gen), the tennis and Golf is next gen (on the 3DS) so they doin't count.

I think the best comparison I would make if I could be bothered was to count how many mario games there have been from 2003 - 2013, and then do the same for the Sony and Microsoft franchises... I could probably add ALL the Sony and Microsoft main ones together (Uncharted, Resistance, Killzone, God of War, Gears of War, Halo, and Forza) and still have less than number of Mario games in that time frame.

I think they re-released some gamecube games on the Wii with tacked on Wii controller support.

[QUOTE="_Matt_"]

[QUOTE="HalcyonScarlet"]

I'd have to agree, every Halo game actually feels different, some in a good way others not so much.

Halo 3 is traditional Halo at it's best imo.

ODST, was very different because you didn't have Master Cheifs suit abilities. I didn't like that as much, but played through it.

Reach, again felt like a very different game. It's like an open world version of Halo, with suit upgrade and I din't get on with it much.

Halo 4 feels different to from Halo 3 and even Reach quite a lot. I didn't enjoy the way it was tweaked the gunplay, I can't put my finger on it.

HalcyonScarlet

Pfft, it's similar enough to remain in that list though. You shouldn't say these sorts of things, the Sheep will then claim about how much Mario has innovated and changed in the last 10 years.

lol :P. Fairs fair, with your Mario 64 DS one though also we can count all the game cube games Nintendo re-released on the Wii with the tacked on Wii controller play. TC counted the Halo Anniversary re-release.

Well I count the Halo Anniversary, but I don't really count tacked on Wii remote controls as other Mario games, sorry :P . I guess yuou could argue that it is still milking it as much as possible... but I'm trying to not let the TC get swamped by too many Mario games :P , 

21 Mario games to 6 Halo's is already quite a landslide :P

A simple question to prove you what is going on ...

How many new IPs Nintendo made the last 10-15 years and how many Sony ? And that question just ends your topic !

What if there are 5-6 Gran Turismo out there , sure you can call it rehashing for this individual title , though 6 Turismos since mid 90s are not that many comparable to 200+ mario titles that 150 of them are just bad  but anyways... How many first party good exclusives , NEW IPs in particular ,  you played on Nintendo systems comparabe to Sonys the last 15 years or so ?

 

Not even 1/10 .. Google and youll see what i mean.

AzatiS

Just curious? After all Nintendo just does 1980s rehashs correct? Idk what to call whatever the hell  MS and Sony are doing, but its looks pretty similar and the fact that you call Nintendo out for putting out a sequel is garbage. Just look at the facts. I posted a couple franchise standings down below for comparison. What did I find? The numbers are extremly similar. This is including hand helds and console releases. 

 Lets compare this gen, last gen, and any announced games for next gen to get a good example. Bundles arent included, i was confused with which gen the DS, 3DS, PSP, and Vita were so I considered 3DS and Vita this gen, DS and PSP last gen for sake of argument, can be changed if needed.

• Halo Games: 7 (5 this gen only)
• Fable Games: 6 ( 5 this gen only)
• Forza Games: 6 (4 this gen only)
• Gears of War: 4 this gen only
• Uncharted: 5 (3 this gen only)
• Killzone: 6 ( 3 this gen only)
• Resistance 5 (4 this gen only)
• Mario Side Scrollers: 4 ( 2 this gen only)
• Mario 3D platformers: 5 (2 this gen only)
• Legend of Zelda:8( 4 this gen)
• Metroid: 5 ( 3 this gen)
• Pikmin 3 ( 0 this gen)

 

 

Bardock47

How have you Even worked any of that out. How have you managed to get Uncharted at 5 :S there have been 3 games this gen on ps3, a handheld adventure and a card game you can't really count a different console game and a card game rehashes. do you even understand what rehash means. it does not mean using the same characters again and again it means the same format in games over and over again. mario has been around since the arcade, the side scrolling mario game has been around since the NES, we still get that same concept of side scrolling on the Wii U :S that is rehashing. They've always had zelda, which has been the same concept open world adventure since the beginning. Mario Kart is the same Concept and style pretty much as the original, Pikmin has been on the same planet the same game since it came out it hasn't even changed. metriod isn't rehashed as it has had a first person shooter. :S Nintendo Rely on there same old franchises every single console. 

with uncharted you say 3 games this gen only :S last gen Naughty dog made Jak and Dexter not rehashed the Gen before they made crash bandicot :S they make a new ip each gen it seems. 

It looks nothing like or simarly to what Nintendo is doing :S You need to learn what Rehashing means

[QUOTE="Bardock47"]

Just curious? After all Nintendo just does 1980s rehashs correct? Idk what to call whatever the hell  MS and Sony are doing, but its looks pretty similar and the fact that you call Nintendo out for putting out a sequel is garbage. Just look at the facts. I posted a couple franchise standings down below for comparison. What did I find? The numbers are extremly similar. This is including hand helds and console releases. 

 Lets compare this gen, last gen, and any announced games for next gen to get a good example. Bundles arent included, i was confused with which gen the DS, 3DS, PSP, and Vita were so I considered 3DS and Vita this gen, DS and PSP last gen for sake of argument, can be changed if needed.

• Halo Games: 7 (5 this gen only)
• Fable Games: 6 ( 5 this gen only)
• Forza Games: 6 (4 this gen only)
• Gears of War: 4 this gen only
• Uncharted: 5 (3 this gen only)
• Killzone: 6 ( 3 this gen only)
• Resistance 5 (4 this gen only)
• Mario Side Scrollers: 4 ( 2 this gen only)
• Mario 3D platformers: 5 (2 this gen only)
• Legend of Zelda:8( 4 this gen)
• Metroid: 5 ( 3 this gen)
• Pikmin 3 ( 0 this gen)

 

 

bezza2011

How have you Even worked any of that out. How have you managed to get Uncharted at 5 :S there have been 3 games this gen on ps3, a handheld adventure and a card game you can't really count a different console game and a card game rehashes. do you even understand what rehash means. it does not mean using the same characters again and again it means the same format in games over and over again. mario has been around since the arcade, the side scrolling mario game has been around since the NES, we still get that same concept of side scrolling on the Wii U :S that is rehashing. They've always had zelda, which has been the same concept open world adventure since the beginning. Mario Kart is the same Concept and style pretty much as the original, Pikmin has been on the same planet the same game since it came out it hasn't even changed. metriod isn't rehashed as it has had a first person shooter. :S Nintendo Rely on there same old franchises every single console. 

with uncharted you say 3 games this gen only :S last gen Naughty dog made Jak and Dexter not rehashed the Gen before they made crash bandicot :S they make a new ip each gen it seems. 

It looks nothing like or simarly to what Nintendo is doing :S You need to learn what Rehashing means

I would still count that as 5 Uncharted games, it's milking the franchise to get more sales. It's still not a massive number mind, but I count them all none the less. 

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Pfft, it's similar enough to remain in that list though. You shouldn't say these sorts of things, the Sheep will then claim about how much Mario has innovated and changed in the last 10 years.

_Matt_

lol :P. Fairs fair, with your Mario 64 DS one though also we can count all the game cube games Nintendo re-released on the Wii with the tacked on Wii controller play. TC counted the Halo Anniversary re-release.

Well I count the Halo Anniversary, but I don't really count tacked on Wii remote controls as other Mario games, sorry :P . I guess yuou could argue that it is still milking it as much as possible... but I'm trying to not let the TC get swamped by too many Mario games :P , 

21 Mario games to 6 Halo's is already quite a landslide :P

Well i'm happy to swamp TC :P. It's fair. If re-releases are counted for Halo. Mario Tennis is the same as the GC one but with tacked on controls, and because they tampared with it, it got a much lower score. So they aren't the same and should be counted.

Halo Annerversary has the same animation, frames and whatever else to keep the balance the same. It's like SSF2T HD Remix, where they just upgraded the graphics, to keep the balance the same they had to keep the frames and animation the same. Those are at least the same games.

I guess some people have not been around longer than 10 years to see Nintendo rehashes, remakes, and same old formula.

Long list of Mario games and his appearances.

Not even been a year since the Wii:U has been out, yet the Wii:U has over 5 Mario games.

A few points that have already been touched upon by others:

• many of these Nintendo IPs have been around since the eighties.  Near thirty years.  Taking into consideration that time span, they really have not evolved all that much from what we see today, aside from a few titles.
• Nintendo is petrified of heavily investing in new IPs, Sony and MS don't seem to be.  I have ZERO problem with rehashes and attempting to capitalize on established properties, that's simply good business sense, but I do have a problem with it when that's all a company does.  I wish Nintendo would take some serious risks (not just things such as Pushmo and Nintendoland, which I'm sorry to say, are not).

It's not so much that they rehash, it's that they really don't put much effort into doing anything else.

TC abandoned ship

Because this is System wars. Also what is the 5th Uncharted game? 3 on PS3 and 1 of PSV is all that I've ever heard