How is the Psp a failure ,wouldn't the 360 and Ps3 be considered failures too?

Over 60million units sold and it is a failure just because it sold less? (higher if you count the ngage)

Its funny how people with Ps3s and Ds's call the Psp a failure when the Psp has sold nearly double the amount of Ps3's and was Sony's first attempt at a handheld (not counting the pocketstation thing that was more a peripherial). While he PS3 is their 3rd attempt and a console and they were on top two genereations.

Also the GC and Xbox were much more powerful than the Ps2 but they were far from failures and have great libraries. Also the psp is far from dead and is having a much better year then the DS game wise.

Sure you may say the DS has a better library objectively(I do not own a DS though) but the psp has a great library (even if from an objective standpoint the library is inferior to the 3DS)

However the PSP has a greater diversity in its top games genres.

I generally agree with your post, except for this one point:

Also the psp is far from dead and is having a much better year then the DS game wise.

Banjo_Kongfooie

sales wise of course not...60 million is good, but games wise...yes it's kind of a failure

IMO at least

but PSPgo...now THAT is a failure for sure...PSP 2000 & 3000 are the best of the bunch

PSP is more of a failure for its software sales. PS3 sells more software with half as many units. Parasomniac

The PSP isn't a faliure but it just has A LOT of flaws.

I generally agree with your post, except for this one point: [QUOTE="Banjo_Kongfooie"] Also the psp is far from dead and is having a much better year then the DS game wise.

charizard1605

Well from Ign the Psp is getting much better reviews then the ds games (which is rare because Ign used to give a Ds game goods scores every month or couple of months) and Peace Walker is really awesome (though I hate being unable to use special guys like you could in Portable Ops :( )

sales wise of course not...60 million is good, but games wise...yes it's kind of a failure

IMO at least

but PSPgo...now THAT is a failure for sure...PSP 2000 & 3000 are the best of the bunch

CDUB316

Hmmm I do not see how its a failure games wise...

Of course. This is the real world, people. If you're not a groundbreaking success, you're an epic failure. The world's not gonna slow down for the nobodies trying to find their little niche in society. Let's hope Sony and Microsoft can get their acts together next gen so they don't embarrass themselves again.

Over 60million units sold and it is a failure just because it sold less? (higher if you count the ngage)

Its funny how people with Ps3s and Ds's call the Psp a failure when the Psp has sold nearly double the amount of Ps3's and was Sony's first attempt at a handheld (not counting the pocketstation thing that was more a peripherial). While he PS3 is their 3rd attempt and a console and they were on top two genereations.

Also the GC and Xbox were much more powerful than the Ps2 but they were far from failures and have great libraries. Also the psp is far from dead and is having a much better year then the DS game wise.

Sure you may say the DS has a better library objectively(I do not own a DS though) but the psp has a great library (even if from an objective standpoint the library is inferior to the 3DS)

However the PSP has a greater diversity in its top games genres.

Banjo_Kongfooie

PSP's software sales outside of Japan = failure

I think the PSP is kinda dead since it is pretty dated hardware. Many people have phones that can do much of what the PSP can do and usually better. I have a PSP but i barely use it now since i mostly wanted it just to watch movies and now my phone can do a decent enough job of that.Kurushio

Well I am sure many people have phones that can do much of what a psp can do seeing as many people have Iphones or Androids but Most people (me included do not have phones capable of playing psp games)

Also the DS has far more dated hardware but its considered a success, so the "dated hardware" arguement doesnt stick imo.

totally agree, TC. People see it as a failure in this race to be first obsession. Like if it sells less than the DS the money it earns Sony isn't real. These companies don't care all that much about the first place thing, imo. They know their fans do and pay it lip service. At the end of the day, even if one is in third, if they are turning a profit, one is successful.cainetao11

One flaw to the argument, though - the PS3 and 360 both have much stronger overall gaming libraries than the Wii (in terms of number of critically acclaimed games). The PS3 and the 360 receive a great deal of third party support, which is an area the PSP has been lacking in compared to the DS.

I like the PSP myself, and own one. But I know the PSP is considered a failure here due to a combination of both having a weaker gaming library than the DS and selling less units than it. This is not the case with the PS3 & 360.

"The walkman of the 21st century"

It was a failure for sony, and in comparison with the DS it is subpar

[QUOTE="cainetao11"]totally agree, TC. People see it as a failure in this race to be first obsession. Like if it sells less than the DS the money it earns Sony isn't real. These companies don't care all that much about the first place thing, imo. They know their fans do and pay it lip service. At the end of the day, even if one is in third, if they are turning a profit, one is successful.genaroll

[QUOTE="genaroll"][QUOTE="cainetao11"]totally agree, TC. People see it as a failure in this race to be first obsession. Like if it sells less than the DS the money it earns Sony isn't real. These companies don't care all that much about the first place thing, imo. They know their fans do and pay it lip service. At the end of the day, even if one is in third, if they are turning a profit, one is successful.cainetao11

Piracy, GO, and bad PSP games. theres some great quality games made on PSP but alot are just ports from big consoles or shovel ware.

[QUOTE="Parasomniac"]PSP is more of a failure for its software sales. PS3 sells more software with half as many units. DJ_Lae

And... it dropped in hardware sells but it is still a more successful product for Sony then the PS3. PS3 games can sell more then PSP games but those are individual games with individual budgets.

For Example

Super Mario 64 (the best selling N64 game) sold 11 million

Gran Turismo (the best selling PS game) sold 10.85 million

However the N64 was less successful from a sales POV because those are individual projects

The Playstation sold 102.49 million consoles

The N64 sold 32.93 million consoles

The psp is the 8th best-sellng console ahead of the NES and behind the SNES so it is far from a failure imo.

Who cares about units sold, the games are what matter and PW is the only one in the last 3 years that I've even been tempted to buy. PSP tries to hard to be a console and the controls are terrible.Clank-PS-Snake

So the psp is a failure because the games objectively high rated do not interest you. That does not make the console a failure, it makes it unappealing to you.

That is like saying the Wii is a fail console because you do not like motion controls and the only game that interests you is SSBB.

Also how are the controls terrible in comparison with other handhelds the psp has a nice wide grip and sure the analog is frustrating but its better then no analog. ( I would go as far to say it is the best controlling handheld but the 3DS looks to have a nice big analog slider)

One flaw to the argument, though - the PS3 and 360 both have much stronger overall gaming libraries than the Wii (in terms of number of critically acclaimed games). The PS3 and the 360 receive a great deal of third party support, which is an area the PSP has been lacking in compared to the DS.

I like the PSP myself, and own one. But I know the PSP is considered a failure here due to a combination of both having a weaker gaming library than the DS and selling less units than it. This is not the case with the PS3 & 360.

SakusEnvoy

We are talking about Products however not opinions on how you feel a library is lacking (even though the Wii and Psp have very strong libraries imo) and as consoles the Psp and Wii are far more successful than the 360 and PS3.

It's not a failure, it's just not as good as the DS.SaltyMeatballs

[QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"] Pretty much this. Just because it hasn't sold as much as the DS (isn't the DS the highest selling console of all time now?) doesn't mean it's a failure.fabz_95

DS 128.9 million updated in May so it may or may not pass the Ps2 but it is definately the most successful handheld

PS2 142.8 million updated in March

The Psp might pass the GBA

60.2 million PSP

81.47 million GBA

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]It failed because it was meant to be the second coming of handhelds which would annihilate the puny DS with its gimmicky touch screens and primitive graphics. Funny how that turned out. Ragnarok1051

Yea haha, and if a PSP2 comes out graphics will be called meaningless and/or said to have no games and be a wannabe console...

[QUOTE="Clank-PS-Snake"]Who cares about units sold, the games are what matter and PW is the only one in the last 3 years that I've even been tempted to buy. PSP tries to hard to be a console and the controls are terrible.Banjo_Kongfooie

So the psp is a failure because the games objectively high rated do not interest you. That does not make the console a failure, it makes it unappealing to you.

That is like saying the Wii is a fail console because you do not like motion controls and the only game that interests you is SSBB.

Also how are the controls terrible in comparison with other handhelds the psp has a nice wide grip and sure the analog is frustrating but its better then no analog. ( I would go as far to say it is the best controlling handheld but the 3DS looks to have a nice big analog slider)

One flaw to the argument, though - the PS3 and 360 both have much stronger overall gaming libraries than the Wii (in terms of number of critically acclaimed games). The PS3 and the 360 receive a great deal of third party support, which is an area the PSP has been lacking in compared to the DS.

I like the PSP myself, and own one. But I know the PSP is considered a failure here due to a combination of both having a weaker gaming library than the DS and selling less units than it. This is not the case with the PS3 & 360.

SakusEnvoy

We are talking about Products however not opinions on how you feel a library is lacking (even though the Wii and Psp have very strong libraries imo) and as consoles the Psp and Wii are far more successful than the 360 and PS3.

If we take that very important game quality measurement standard away, we are only left with sales. By that measure, I suppose you could call the PS3 a failure, sure. On the other hand, whereas the PS3 has enjoyed ten consecutive months of year-over-year growth, PSP sales have fallen dramatically. So one system appears to have a brighter future than the other.

It failed because it was meant to be the second coming of handhelds which would annihilate the puny DS with its gimmicky touch screens and primitive graphics. Funny how that turned out. Ninja-Hippo

This. You gotta remember how much hype surrounded the PSP when it came out. Sony were still on a golden period with the PS2 at the time, Nintendo had yet to dominate the world again. The launch line-up wasn't great, a lot of people accused Sony of just slapping bad PS2 ports onto a handheld format. And though some great quality games would come out later, you still have to swim through a lot of crap to get to the good stuff. The UMD movies thing failed. It wasn't the online phenomenon Sony might have hoped for.

Really it's not a failure, it just fell way short of it's expectations. As opposed to the DS, which far surpassed expectations, and then some.

It's not a failure, it's just not as good as the DS.SaltyMeatballs

The DS and iOS are the PSP's competitors not the 360 and PS3.Zero5000X

Well if iOS is competition then it is 1st place as it is selling more then the DS.

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]

This. You gotta remember how much hype surrounded the PSP when it came out. Sony were still on a golden period with the PS2 at the time, Nintendo had yet to dominate the world again. The launch line-up wasn't great, a lot of people accused Sony of just slapping bad PS2 ports onto a handheld format. And though some great quality games would come out later, you still have to swim through a lot of crap to get to the good stuff. The UMD movies thing failed. It wasn't the online phenomenon Sony might have hoped for.

Really it's not a failure, it just fell way short of it's expectations. As opposed to the DS, which far surpassed expectations, and then some.

TheDrunkenLord

Lol the Psp had an amazing launch compared to the DS's (I mean you could go look at the critic score of its line up and see one of the psp's highest rated games came at launch, Lumines.) but its games were compared to console games and the console has had a very negative reputation since release. The media hyped it before hand but they also hyped the DS... The psp did not fall short of it's expectations because different people had different expectations.

The DS did not surpass expectations either because of the different expectations.

[QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"]It's not a failure, it's just not as good as the DS.CwlHeddwyn

The psp's "expectations" are exagerated once again ( I just expected it to have Ps1 graphics) , both handhelds were hyped and the psp was hyped as being more powerful then the DS which it was. I mean the Psp's highest launch games were Wipe Out and Lumines. After the launch though the Psp was continuingly compared to different consoles rather than the DS or its games relative to previous games released for the handheld.

Also things did not look dire for the DS because it had a decent launch but it was considered to go head to head with the Psp. You mean the DS outsold the PSP?

The PSP is a success in a sense, it provided Nintendo with its first real challenge in the handheld department in a long time. Taking over 30 percent of the market that's dominated by Gameboy is very impressive, unfortunately, they ran right into a paradigm shift with the DS. The UMD is absolutely terrible, it drains batteries, it is easily scratched, and the loading time contributes even more to the already short battery life on the PSP. Add in a really small library, and there is a reason why people hate the PSP.hiphops_savior

You're comparing a handheld's sales to console sales.

You act as if I'm the only person who think it has a bad libary, I'm pretty sure it has the worst libary on paper, Look at this year 1 AAA and 2 AA games, the only word to describe that is disgraceful.

Clank-PS-Snake

The DS has 9 AA's no AAA's and that is counting the fact that Dsi games are reviewed here. So yea it is a little better objectively but seriously the Psp has a large library and plenty of AAA's and AA's not just ones released this year.

There's no room for 2nd place in System Wars.

In the real world however...

[QUOTE="fabz_95"][QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"]

DS 128.9 million updated in May so it may or may not pass the Ps2 but it is definately the most successful handheld

PS2 142.8 million updated in March

The Psp might pass the GBA

60.2 million PSP

81.47 million GBA

[QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"][QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]It failed because it was meant to be the second coming of handhelds which would annihilate the puny DS with its gimmicky touch screens and primitive graphics. Funny how that turned out. Banjo_Kongfooie

Yea haha, and if a PSP2 comes out graphics will be called meaningless and/or said to have no games and be a wannabe console...

You cant say that when the DS is getting Pokemon HeartGold/SoulSilver, FIre Emblem, Okamiden, Dragon Quest IX, Super Scribblenauts, Golden Sun Dark Dawn, Dragon Quest VI and more.charizard1605