How much better is a 2011 High Spec PC than a PS3/360?

First of all, i'll admit I know next to nothing of computers, until recently I thought the only thing that mattered were Ghz.

So can someone throw some numbers at me and explain? Either in depth or just a multiple, I don't mind. (And specs wise, not software)

"Better" is so subjective.

How about I throw some numbers at you.

PS3 will have 1 new Uncharted, 1 new LBP, 1 new Last Guardian, 1 new Resistance, 1 new Killzone, 1 inFamous, 1 Yakuza, among other games.

PC will be getting zero of those.

"Better" is so subjective.

How about I throw some numbers at you.

PS3 will have 1 new Uncharted, 1 new LBP, 1 new Last Guardian, 1 new Resistance, 1 new Killzone, 1 inFamous, 1 Yakuza, among other games.

PC will be getting zero of those.

Mrmccormo

Sir, you do not read what the OP says... or even the title... man, fanboys are quick to gun!

Depending what "High Spec" means for you, PC can easily be 3-4 times more powerfull.

Consoles are stuck at 720p if they want good visuals and a decent frame rate with some AA (Makes jaggies disappear and seem smoother.)

PCs however have far better visuals, much higher resolutions that can keep all the detail with high frame rates. Go to YouTube and look up Shogun 2 Total War, The Witcher 2, Crysis, ARMA II (and make sure to look for the large scale battles,) and STALKER Complete mod. A high-end computer from 2011 murders consoles. Even a high-end computer from 2006/2007 does better.

"Better" is so subjective.

How about I throw some numbers at you.

PS3 will have 1 new Uncharted, 1 new LBP, 1 new Last Guardian, 1 new Resistance, 1 new Killzone, 1 inFamous, 1 Yakuza, among other games.

PC will be getting zero of those.

Mrmccormo

Better is definately subjective, which is why it kinda helps I told you the subject was Hardware specs

"Better" is so subjective.

How about I throw some numbers at you.

PS3 will have 1 new Uncharted, 1 new LBP, 1 new Last Guardian, 1 new Resistance, 1 new Killzone, 1 inFamous, 1 Yakuza, among other games.

PC will be getting zero of those.

Mrmccormo

Well the PC will be getting 1 new Witcher 2, 1 New Diablo III, 1 new Shogun 2, plus the best version of all multi plats this year :P

As for raw power, It's hard to determine, but think about this: The PC's CPU is about 3 generation removed from what is on the consoles in terms of architecture, and 4 generations removed in terms of the GPU's.

The GPU on the xbox 360 features about 300 million transistors compared to a modern PC GPU with over 3 BILLION transistors.

Console games typically play games at the equivalent of low-medium settings on the PC, they do so with little or no Anti-Aliasing, little Anisotropic filtering AND they do it at sub-HD (often times less than 720p) resolutions at 25-30 fps.

PC's run those same games, with higher resolution textures, advanced post processing effects, advanced lighting and shadowing effects (like SSAO), maxed out geometry detail, 4x to 8x anti-aliasing and transparent texture supersampling and 16x anisotropic filtering AND they do it at full 1080p 60+ FPS.

A LOT more powerful.

A PS3 or 360 has 512mb ram. My PC has 24gb of ram, not to mention 2gb ddr5 on my gpu. Basically I have about 52 times more memory than a PS3 or 360.

No point in me going through it all, but Google any of the hardware in my sig and you will see that it is light years away from what you find in a 360 or a PS3. If games were built take full advantage of a rig like mine, or one similar (same build, but with gaming GPUs) your head would explode.

Memory Bandwidth

Xbox 360

22.4 GB/s

Memory Bandwidth

Radeon 5970 ( 500$ graphics card)

265 GB/s

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Way better, but a lot of games are not all that well optimized for the hardware, or take advantage of it. There are a few games coming out this year that look to do the part, like Shogun 2, witcher 2, and Crysis 2. Hopefully these games wont need an exaggerated highend hardware to run, like the 1st Crysis.

Memory Bandwidth

Xbox 360

22.4 GB/s

Memory Bandwidth

Radeon 5970 ( 500$ graphics card)

265 GB/s

[spoiler] im gonna keep this posting every time someone replies on this thread [/spoiler]

A PS3 or 360 has 512mb ram. My PC has 24gb of ram, not to mention 2gb ddr5 on my gpu. Basically I have about 52 times more memory than a PS3 or 360.

No point in me going through it all, but Google any of the hardware in my sig and you will see that it is light years away from what you find in a 360 or a PS3. If games were built take full advantage of a rig like mine, or one similar (same build, but with gaming GPUs) your head would explode.

sandbox3d

Is that pc for your work?

[QUOTE="sandbox3d"]

A PS3 or 360 has 512mb ram. My PC has 24gb of ram, not to mention 2gb ddr5 on my gpu. Basically I have about 52 times more memory than a PS3 or 360.

No point in me going through it all, but Google any of the hardware in my sig and you will see that it is light years away from what you find in a 360 or a PS3. If games were built take full advantage of a rig like mine, or one similar (same build, but with gaming GPUs) your head would explode.

cabose38

Is that pc for your work?

lol of course. I would be an idiot to build a PC like that for gaming. I do game on it sometimes, but yes its my home workstation for all things 3d related.

A new high spec PC is more than 12x the power of a console.

A high end PC of today is somewhere between 15 - 30 times as powerful compared to the consoles.

And Cows bragging about Uncharted and Killzone are not helping their case. Most Hermits have no interest in those games anyway.

The only games I care for coming out this year are Crysis 2, Witcher 2, Rage and maybe Shogun 2.

And the only games I miss not having on PC are the fighting games. I would like to see an arcade perfect port (unlike what's on the consoles) of Tekken 6.

The Soulcalibur and Dead or a alive series would also be welcome.

Memory Bandwidth

Xbox 360

22.4 GB/s

Memory Bandwidth

Radeon 5970 ( 500$ graphics card)

265 GB/s

Fusiondonut

Now multiply that by 2.5 and that's how much I'd pay for that card down here.

PC's are way better, at a cost -- though I estimate that currently, you can make a budget PC (if you live in the U.S.A.) for around US$600,00-750,00 that'll be considerably better than the 360/PS3.

The PC has the capabilities of having much, MUCH more advanced graphics than any console game. The problem is in regards to scaling for those who don't have high-powered PCs, which usually results in developers not taking complete advantage over the advanced resources available to them. They do want to make money and be successful after all.

An easy way to know consoles are really behind is to use Moore's Law, which states that every 12 months computer processing power doubles. So 2004 -2011 = 6 years x 12 months = 72 months /12 =6 x 2 = at least 12x faster.

a lot more powerful however software wise pc does not have much to show for its power .

A high end PC from 2011 is in actuality quite a bit weaker than the Nintendo Wii.

An easy way to know consoles are really behind is to use Moore's Law, which states that every 12 months computer processing power doubles. So 2004 -2011 = 6 years x 12 months = 72 months /12 =6 x 2 = at least 12x faster.

04dcarraher

Actually its every 18 months to 24 months.

a lot more powerful however software wise pc does not have much to show for its power .

dontshackzmii

That is why we have mods and high res+AA+AF.

So you go from something like Console GTA 4

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To PC modified.

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[QUOTE="dontshackzmii"]

a lot more powerful however software wise pc does not have much to show for its power .

Hakkai007

That is why we have mods and high res+AA+AF.

I really hate GTA games. I really do. I'm kinda regretting not getting this when it was on Steam Sale because of the mods. That first pic is OMFG looking.

Actually its every 18 months to 24 months.

topgunmv

And by doubles that would be.

From 2x to 4x to 8x to 16x to 32x and so on.

[QUOTE="dontshackzmii"]

a lot more powerful however software wise pc does not have much to show for its power .

Hakkai007

That is why we have mods and high res+AA+AF.

So you go from something like Console GTA 4

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To PC modified.

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[QUOTE="topgunmv"]

Actually its every 18 months to 24 months.

Hakkai007

And by doubles that would be.

From 2x to 4x to 8x to 16x to 32x and so on.

Yup, so between 8-16x since 2005, depending on if you go by the low or high timeframe.

Yup, so between 8-16x since 2005, depending on if you go by the low or high timeframe.

topgunmv

Which is why I picked inbetween at 12x which is pretty accurate for the higher mid tier or low high tier.

The highest end single GPU is a GTX 580 which is a bit better though.

And multi GPU configs are of course way beyond that.

[QUOTE="dontshackzmii"]

a lot more powerful however software wise pc does not have much to show for its power .

Hakkai007

That is why we have mods and high res+AA+AF.

So you go from something like Console GTA 4

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Link please? :)

Link please? :)

NerubianWeaver

Those are just custom settings someone made.

There is a whole thread dedicated to it whether it be high or low end configs.

http://www.gtaforums.com/index.php?s=afc2ed81a5e9647444695b93fe35ecb8&showtopic=417918&st=13680

[QUOTE="topgunmv"]

Yup, so between 8-16x since 2005, depending on if you go by the low or high timeframe.

Hakkai007

Which is why I picked inbetween at 12x which is pretty accurate for the higher mid tier or low high tier.

The highest end single GPU is a GTX 580 which is a bit better though.

And multi GPU configs are of course way beyond that.

And that 580 is actually far from being the highest end single GPU. Its just the highest end gaming card for the average consumer. Still a low end GPU in the grand scheme of things.

A high end PC from 2011 is in actuality quite a bit weaker than the Nintendo Wii.

DerpyMcDerp

[QUOTE="NerubianWeaver"]

Link please? :)

Hakkai007

Those are just custom settings someone made.

There is a whole thread dedicated to it whether it be high or low end configs.

http://www.gtaforums.com/index.php?s=afc2ed81a5e9647444695b93fe35ecb8&showtopic=417918&st=13680

brb, buying a 570...

And that 580 is actually far from being the highest end single GPU. Its just the highest end gaming card for the average consumer. Still a low end GPU in the grand scheme of things.

sandbox3d

What is a higher end single gpu?

The GTX 580 is the fastest single GPU card out right now.

Unless you mean non gaming GPUs.....

[QUOTE="sandbox3d"]

And that 580 is actually far from being the highest end single GPU. Its just the highest end gaming card for the average consumer. Still a low end GPU in the grand scheme of things.

Hakkai007

What is a higher end single gpu?

The GTX 580 is the fastest single GPU card out right now.

Unless you mean non gaming GPUs.....

Really man? GPUs arent just made for PC gaming you know. There are GPUs out their that cost more than my entire rig lol. Cards that can handle things such as real time medical imaging, or multilayered non linear video editing @ 4k resolutions, etc...

Heres one example of a crazy as hell GPU.

And they do get crazier than that.

Oh derp. Just saw your edit. But I thought you guys were just discussing high end PC tech in general :P

And Quadros (among other workstation cards) handle PC games great. Its just not very cost effective for average joe consumer.

A high end PC from 2011 is in actuality quite a bit weaker than the Nintendo Wii.

DerpyMcDerp

Some other random GTA 4 PC mod pics.

Just imagine what mods could do to RDR if it was released on PC.

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Some other random GTA 4 PC mod pics.

Just imagine what mods could do to RDR if it was released on PC.

Hakkai007

You wouldn't happen to have a link for mods like these right? (Preferably the one that makes the rain alley OMGWTFBBQ)

I tried using a graphics mod from GTA4Mods.com and it made my GTA 4 Steam Version unable to start, so I had to unistall it.

Now I'm sticking to just Episodes. :P

[QUOTE="DerpyMcDerp"]

A high end PC from 2011 is in actuality quite a bit weaker than the Nintendo Wii.

tagyhag

[QUOTE="dontshackzmii"]

a lot more powerful however software wise pc does not have much to show for its power .

Hakkai007

That is why we have mods and high res+AA+AF.

So you go from something like Console GTA 4

.

.

.

.

.

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To PC modified.

.

You wouldn't happen to have a link for mods like these right? (Preferably the one that makes the rain alley OMGWTFBBQ)

I tried using a graphics mod from GTA4Mods.com and it made my GTA 4 Steam Version unable to start, so I had to unistall it.

Now I'm sticking to just Episodes. :P

tagyhag

I don't have the link because those are all custom settings.

But the link I already gave is the thread where people post their work.

"Better" is so subjective.

How about I throw some numbers at you.

PS3 will have 1 new Uncharted, 1 new LBP, 1 new Last Guardian, 1 new Resistance, 1 new Killzone, 1 inFamous, 1 Yakuza, among other games.

PC will be getting zero of those.

Mrmccormo

Yes Old Republic (if it's good)> All those you mentioned combined together...

Uncharted, while good, will lack of depth as always....like all console games....

[QUOTE="Mrmccormo"]

"Better" is so subjective.

How about I throw some numbers at you.

PS3 will have 1 new Uncharted, 1 new LBP, 1 new Last Guardian, 1 new Resistance, 1 new Killzone, 1 inFamous, 1 Yakuza, among other games.

PC will be getting zero of those.

Ravenchrome

Yes Old Republic (if it's good)> All those you mentioned combined together...

Uncharted, while good, will lack of depth as always....like all console games....

Come on man. :?

Computers are and always will be much better than consoles in terms of hardware. It's painful to see how weak consoles actually are. Makes me wonder why people play them.

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"]

An easy way to know consoles are really behind is to use Moore's Law, which states that every 12 months computer processing power doubles. So 2004 -2011 = 6 years x 12 months = 72 months /12 =6 x 2 = at least 12x faster.

Actually its every 18 months to 24 months.