How much better is a 2011 High Spec PC than a PS3/360?

"Better" is so subjective.

How about I throw some numbers at you.

PS3 will have 1 new Uncharted, 1 new LBP, 1 new Last Guardian, 1 new Resistance, 1 new Killzone, 1 inFamous, 1 Yakuza, among other games.

PC will be getting zero of those.

Mrmccormo

TC was asking a hardware-related question.:?

[QUOTE="Mrmccormo"]

"Better" is so subjective.

How about I throw some numbers at you.

PS3 will have 1 new Uncharted, 1 new LBP, 1 new Last Guardian, 1 new Resistance, 1 new Killzone, 1 inFamous, 1 Yakuza, among other games.

PC will be getting zero of those.

topsemag55

TC was asking a hardware-related question.:?

Plus the pc will get more excuslives than both the ps3, 360 and wii. So this whole lack of games, people try to pull is crap.

I wonder if I should make a new thread with a controversial title and post that ultimate GTA IV PC mod config youtube video.

Even though alot of consolites wouldn't admit it, they would love to have the graphics displayed in that video compared to the blurry mess that is GTA IV on consoles.

[QUOTE="JMR09"]

The PC has the capabilities of having much, MUCH more advanced graphics than any console game. The problem is in regards to scaling for those who don't have high-powered PCs, which usually results in developers not taking complete advantage over the advanced resources available to them. They do want to make money and be successful after all.

CwlHeddwyn

Geforce 8800GTX was released a few days ahead of PS3.

Geforce 8800(G80) is designed to be more efficient compared to G70/RSX.

To minimise RSX/G70's shader/math unit stalls, G80 has decoupled texture and shader/math unit design i.e. a feature for NVIDIA Giga-threads and AMD Radeon HD's Ultra-Threads. AMD Xenos includes decoupled texture and shader unit design, but it's only has 64 threads.NVIDIA Giga-threads and AMD Radeon HD Ultra-Threads has thousands of threads.

Another G70/RSX's design flaw

A stall in"FP32 Shader Unit 1" will stall the rest of shader units.

With AMD's Radeon HDs, shader/math units pipeline design was flatten which maximises shader/math unit usage.

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As GPU raster rendering solution, transferring data between CELL's SPEs and RSX is considered to be less efficient compared to a single "fat" GPU solution i.e. the ping-pong transfers between RSX and SPEs adds latencies.

Unified shader architecture is considered to be more efficient compared to older non-unified shader architecture i.e. maximises shader/math unit usage.

Multiple thousands of data registers in DX10 Geforce/Radeon HD GPUs adds to math compute efficiencies i.e. attempts keep more data in the GPU cores in the fastest known data storage tech e.g. registers. Radeon HD 4870 has 2.5 Megabyte registers storage.CELL only has a few hundreds of data registers.

[QUOTE="CwlHeddwyn"][QUOTE="JMR09"]

The PC has the capabilities of having much, MUCH more advanced graphics than any console game. The problem is in regards to scaling for those who don't have high-powered PCs, which usually results in developers not taking complete advantage over the advanced resources available to them. They do want to make money and be successful after all.

ronvalencia

It was also very expensive. Not that the PS3 wasn't.

power wise, we are probably talking around 4 times more. Game wise, not really sure.

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"][QUOTE="CwlHeddwyn"] This is why pound for pound the console gamers usually get a better performance out of their hardware than PC gamers. There are just too many CPUs, GPUs and RAM chipsets out there for PC developers to fine tune games for- this is why PC games rely in RAW power rather than efficiency. Fortunately as its already been shown most modern PCs have a lot more processing power than the consoles. Back in 2006- 2007 however this was not the case- the consoles were Very competitive back then.rpgs_shall_rule

It was also very expensive. Not that the PS3 wasn't.

AMD Radeon X1900s already has the following design

AMD Radeon X1900 already includes "Ultra-Threads" technology (for pixel shaders and texture unit side).AMD Radeon HD 2900s and NV Geforce 8800s expanded this design to all shader operations.

To increase memory bandwidth efficiency, AMD Xenos, AMD Radeon HDs and NV Geforce 8 series includes 3DC+ texture compression format (part of DirectX 10). DirectX11 introduces additional BC6H and BC7texture compression formats.

It would be wrong to think that the PC doesn't include improved efficiencies.

If it were really bothering us that much, wouldn't we just game on PCs instead?lowe0

Well taking into account how much consolites care over the smallest things in graphics I would say yes they care deeply.

Do I even have to bring up the whole Alan Wake not 720P threads?

And a lot of people have switched to PC gaming because of that.

power wise, we are probably talking around 4 times more. Game wise, not really sure.

dackchaar

More like 12 times average and even more if you get the highest end gpus.

[QUOTE="lowe0"]If it were really bothering us that much, wouldn't we just game on PCs instead?Hakkai007

Well taking into account how much consolites care over the smallest things in graphics I would say yes they care deeply.

Do I even have to bring up the whole Alan Wake not 720P threads?

So you're not going to directly answer the question, then. Got it.lowe0

I edited my post after you responded to it.

But yes a lot of people have switched or adopted PC gaming into their system list.

[QUOTE="Hakkai007"]

[QUOTE="lowe0"]If it were really bothering us that much, wouldn't we just game on PCs instead?lowe0

Well taking into account how much consolites care over the smallest things in graphics I would say yes they care deeply.

Do I even have to bring up the whole Alan Wake not 720P threads?

[QUOTE="lowe0"]So you're not going to directly answer the question, then. Got it.Hakkai007

I edited my post after you responded to it.

But yes a lot of people have switched or adopted PC gaming into their system list.

[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="Hakkai007"]

Well taking into account how much consolites care over the smallest things in graphics I would say yes they care deeply.

Do I even have to bring up the whole Alan Wake not 720P threads?

What percentage is "a lot"? Nearest 10 is fine.lowe0

Man you have some big problems with PC gaming.

Did a PC gaming system shoot your dog or something?

It's impossible to get accurate statistics but PC gaming is on a rise especially since it's getting easier to build a computer and cheaper to get good performance.

[QUOTE="lowe0"]What percentage is "a lot"? Nearest 10 is fine.Hakkai007

Man you have some big problems with PC gaming.

Did a PC gaming system shoot your dog or something?

It's impossible to get accurate statistics but PC gaming is on a rise especially since it's getting easier to build a computer and cheaper to get good performance.

Not really, no, I don't have a problem with it at all. Do you have any arguments that aren't about me?lowe0

You do have a problem with it.

Everyone on this forum can see that.

About a generation ahead (although not a lot of games use that kind of power) since this console gen has gone on for about the typical time for a generation. My PC would be about half a generation ahead, but I'm even happy with what the consoles can do for a few more years.

[QUOTE="lowe0"]Not really, no, I don't have a problem with it at all. Do you have any arguments that aren't about me?Hakkai007

You do have a problem with it.

Everyone on this forum can see that.

[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="Arach666"] Looking at all the console oriented graphics threads here is all that´s required to know the answer.

Arach666

Oh, and nice cheap shot at my education. Just can't resist getting personal, I see.

[QUOTE="Arach666"][QUOTE="lowe0"] Okay, if that's all that's required, then by all means, let's see an answer. I'll even repeat the question so that there's no confusion: if it were really bothering us that much, wouldn't we just game on PCs instead?lowe0

Oh, and nice cheap shot at my education. Just can't resist getting personal, I see.

[QUOTE="lowe0"]

[QUOTE="Arach666"] There´s too many variables to account in order to answer that,I at least hope that someone that seems to want to look like an educated person would understand that notion,and don´t use the "we" like every console gamer here agrees with you,you certainly aren´t the cornerstone of tought for everyone that plays in consoles.Arach666

Oh, and nice cheap shot at my education. Just can't resist getting personal, I see.

In terms of pure power and potential? We're talking orders of magnitude here.

[QUOTE="Arach666"][QUOTE="lowe0"] True, but the same principle would apply to the post I originally replied to that started this line of argument - that Hakkai can simply declare that he knows our preferences, without providing any evidence whatsoever.

Oh, and nice cheap shot at my education. Just can't resist getting personal, I see.

lowe0

[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="Arach666"] You are giving yourself too much credit if you think I was taking any sort of "cheap shot" at your education.Arach666

Victim? No, I'm just prompting you to stick to the argument at hand.lowe0

There really isn't an argument.

It is known that a lot of people on system wars care about graphics.

Maybe some switch completely to PC gaming or some add PC gaming into their list of systems they play on.

Maybe some stick with consoles only for some other reason.

But I don't think people are going to be against having better graphics in their games.

Otherwise we wouldn't be having a new generation of consoles coming out and people wouldn't buy the HD remakes of games.

Im runnign crysis on max with my new computer and the game looks great but ive played PS3 games that look better. (Mods wont work for some reason)

I've yet to see anything on my computer that is leagues over consoles like PC fans claim.

Im runnign crysis on max with my new computer and the game looks great but ive played PS3 games that look better. (Mods wont work for some reason)

I've yet to see anything on my computer that is leagues over consoles like PC fans claim.

RyanShazam

Well it's your opinion that there are ps3 games that look better.

Technically you are wrong.

But by my opinion Crysis blows away any console game by leagues.

Nothing this generation on consoles will even come close to Crysis.

And there is a huge list of games on PC that I think look better than any console game.

Im runnign crysis on max with my new computer and the game looks great but ive played PS3 games that look better. (Mods wont work for some reason)

I've yet to see anything on my computer that is leagues over consoles like PC fans claim.

RyanShazam

There are ps3 games that look better then this? could you please till me which ones do as out of the ones I've played none do and if you don't mind me asking what is your setup is in terms of display(monitor/hdtv) for you pc/ps3 and your typical viewing distances from each?

Crysis In Quad HD

[QUOTE="RyanShazam"]

Im runnign crysis on max with my new computer and the game looks great but ive played PS3 games that look better. (Mods wont work for some reason)

I've yet to see anything on my computer that is leagues over consoles like PC fans claim.

Hakkai007

Well it's your opinion that there are ps3 games that look better.

Technically you are wrong.

But by my opinion Crysis blows away any console game by leagues.

Nothing this generation on consoles will even come close to Crysis.

And there is a huge list of games on PC that I think look better than any console game.

How am i wrong? I know what i see. When i play Crysis there are a lot of jaggies and lot of stuff looks fake like trees and grass and rocks and textures. Then i look at a game like Uncharted 2 and see a lot less jaggies and better textures and the game isnt blurry.

Is your Crysis modded? All those pics of Crysis people link are obviously modded.

[QUOTE="RyanShazam"]

Im runnign crysis on max with my new computer and the game looks great but ive played PS3 games that look better. (Mods wont work for some reason)

I've yet to see anything on my computer that is leagues over consoles like PC fans claim.

DJ_Headshot

There are ps3 games that look better then this? could you please till me which ones do as out of the ones I've played none do and if you don't mind me asking what is your setup is in terms of display for you pc/ps3 and viewing distances?.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=carhSWLCaZM

Links like that wont prove anything to me until i can see it on my computer. I spent multiple hours trying to get my Crysis to look like that. Until i can i believe PS3 games look better than Crysis.

I sit in like a yard from my computer moniter and about 8 yards from my TV.

Im runnign crysis on max with my new computer and the game looks great but ive played PS3 games that look better. (Mods wont work for some reason)

I've yet to see anything on my computer that is leagues over consoles like PC fans claim.

RyanShazam

Comparing XYZ game on hardware 1 against ABC game on hardware 2 is not the practise for performance benchmarks.

For performance benchmarks, one should compare XYZ game on hardware 1 against XYZ game on hardware 2. This reduces artwork subjectivity.

Im runnign crysis on max with my new computer and the game looks great but ive played PS3 games that look better. (Mods wont work for some reason)

I've yet to see anything on my computer that is leagues over consoles like PC fans claim.

RyanShazam

[QUOTE="Hakkai007"]

[QUOTE="RyanShazam"]

Im runnign crysis on max with my new computer and the game looks great but ive played PS3 games that look better. (Mods wont work for some reason)

I've yet to see anything on my computer that is leagues over consoles like PC fans claim.

RyanShazam

Well it's your opinion that there are ps3 games that look better.

Technically you are wrong.

But by my opinion Crysis blows away any console game by leagues.

Nothing this generation on consoles will even come close to Crysis.

And there is a huge list of games on PC that I think look better than any console game.

How am i wrong? I know what i see. When i play Crysis there are a lot of jaggies and lot of stuff looks fake like trees and grass and rocks and textures. Then i look at a game like Uncharted 2 and see a lot less jaggies and better textures and the game isnt blurry.

Is your Crysis modded? All those pics of Crysis people link are obviously modded.

[QUOTE="RyanShazam"]

Im runnign crysis on max with my new computer and the game looks great but ive played PS3 games that look better. (Mods wont work for some reason)

I've yet to see anything on my computer that is leagues over consoles like PC fans claim.

ronvalencia

People do it all the time.

[QUOTE="RyanShazam"]

Im runnign crysis on max with my new computer and the game looks great but ive played PS3 games that look better. (Mods wont work for some reason)

I've yet to see anything on my computer that is leagues over consoles like PC fans claim.

mitu123

I hope this is what you are looking for:

Everything is set for ultra high

1024x768

4x AA

[QUOTE="RyanShazam"]

[QUOTE="Hakkai007"]

Well it's your opinion that there are ps3 games that look better.

Technically you are wrong.

But by my opinion Crysis blows away any console game by leagues.

Nothing this generation on consoles will even come close to Crysis.

And there is a huge list of games on PC that I think look better than any console game.

ocstew

How am i wrong? I know what i see. When i play Crysis there are a lot of jaggies and lot of stuff looks fake like trees and grass and rocks and textures. Then i look at a game like Uncharted 2 and see a lot less jaggies and better textures and the game isnt blurry.

Is your Crysis modded? All those pics of Crysis people link are obviously modded.

How do i take a picture? Ill show you lol

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"][QUOTE="RyanShazam"]

Im runnign crysis on max with my new computer and the game looks great but ive played PS3 games that look better. (Mods wont work for some reason)

I've yet to see anything on my computer that is leagues over consoles like PC fans claim.

RyanShazam

People do it all the time.

Yet it doesn't get you valid quantitative data. That being said, what's your definition of maxed? What are your PC specs? Are you forcing AA/AF/shiny whatevers through your drivers?

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"][QUOTE="RyanShazam"]

Im runnign crysis on max with my new computer and the game looks great but ive played PS3 games that look better. (Mods wont work for some reason)

I've yet to see anything on my computer that is leagues over consoles like PC fans claim.

People do it all the time.

I hope this is what you are looking for:

Everything is set for ultra high

1024x768

4x AA

RyanShazam

1024x768 o.O I hope that's in windowed mode... otherwise game at your native res.

Print screen button usually takes a screenshot. If there is no screenshot in your game folder, just copy it into MS Paint and save it.

Id imagine a high spec PC is quite a bit more powerful, but how much would you have to pay to get that advantage?

[QUOTE="mitu123"][QUOTE="RyanShazam"]

Im runnign crysis on max with my new computer and the game looks great but ive played PS3 games that look better. (Mods wont work for some reason)

I've yet to see anything on my computer that is leagues over consoles like PC fans claim.

RyanShazam

I hope this is what you are looking for:

Everything is set for ultra high

1024x768

4x AA

[QUOTE="RyanShazam"]

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"] Comparing XYZ game on hardware 1 against ABC game on hardware 2 is not the practise for performance benchmarks. rpgs_shall_rule

People do it all the time.

Yet it doesn't get you valid quantitative data. That being said, what's your definition of maxed? What are your PC specs? Are you forcing AA/AF/shiny whatevers through your drivers?

My def of max is setting all the settings to ultra high...

I just realized something... everytime i set my settings to ultra high play the game and go back to the settings some of them switch to cutsom... Why is that?

Id imagine a high spec PC is quite a bit more powerful, but how much would you have to pay to get that advantage?

XboximusPrime

500-600 (in the US, seems like every other country, mine included, enjoys making us pay an arm and leg for computer parts) for a computer that easily more than doubles the power of consoles. Performance in games is another issue, although said computer will probably be enough to handle games smoothly and at better graphics quality than the consoles. Also, actually being able to do computery stuff ftw!

[QUOTE="RyanShazam"]

[QUOTE="mitu123"] At what res, AA, etc.?mitu123

I hope this is what you are looking for:

Everything is set for ultra high

1024x768

4x AA

umm, care to elaborate? Far as I can tell most exclusives on PS3 are 720P.

[QUOTE="DJ_Headshot"]

[QUOTE="RyanShazam"]

Im runnign crysis on max with my new computer and the game looks great but ive played PS3 games that look better. (Mods wont work for some reason)

I've yet to see anything on my computer that is leagues over consoles like PC fans claim.

RyanShazam

There are ps3 games that look better then this? could you please till me which ones do as out of the ones I've played none do and if you don't mind me asking what is your setup is in terms of display for you pc/ps3 and viewing distances?.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=carhSWLCaZM

Links like that wont prove anything to me until i can see it on my computer. I spent multiple hours trying to get my Crysis to look like that. Until i can i believe PS3 games look better than Crysis.

I sit in like a yard from my computer moniter and about 8 yards from my TV.

Well you can in the description of the video i linked to which I recorded on my modest pc besides the cpu which isn't needed to run crysis smoothly a decent dual core gets the jon done(5770 1G,3g of ram, and i7 920 2.66ghz) it has links to the user made map and custom config that i use that improves visual quality and performance well beyond what the Vannila settings enable me to do and thats all running in dx9 btw at 1080p perfectly playable I don't use AA i prefer the look of the edge AA that the custom config applies over regualr AA as it works on the foliage.

and if you wrote that correctly you sit 8 yards from your tv! If this is true assuming 20/20 vision you would need a 83" t.v inorder to even get the full benefit of just 480p(740x480) let alone 720p which at that distance would reguire a t.v of 125+ inches which is projector territory at this point inorder to see the full benefit of 720p over 480p and for full benefit of 1080p over 720p you would need a 185" screen or bigger. I forgot to ask for screen sizes of your tv/monitor but I'm gonna to assume your not using a t.v anywhere near as big to take advantage of HD so its a bit unfair to compare console games from such a large distance where your eyes not only won't be able to pick up all the detial but any imperfections would disappear on a "small t.v" as opposed to pc games up close on a monitor where its taking up a much larger percentage of your field of view. Hook up your ps3 to your monitor and compare the pc games at the same viewing distance and you will see the difference.

http://carltonbale.com/1080p-does-matter

[QUOTE="RyanShazam"]

[QUOTE="mitu123"] At what res, AA, etc.?mitu123

I hope this is what you are looking for:

Everything is set for ultra high

1024x768

4x AA

Well i have a 23in 1080p moniter with an hdmi cable... What should i increase it to?

[QUOTE="rpgs_shall_rule"]

[QUOTE="RyanShazam"]

People do it all the time.

RyanShazam

Yet it doesn't get you valid quantitative data. That being said, what's your definition of maxed? What are your PC specs? Are you forcing AA/AF/shiny whatevers through your drivers?

My def of max is setting all the settings to ultra high...

I just realized something... everytime i set my settings to ultra high play the game and go back to the settings some of them switch to cutsom... Why is that?

Ultra High is a preset. You change anything from that preset, it'll change to reflect that you're not on the Ultra High preset anymore. And again, make sure you're either playing in windowed mode or at your native resolution unless you enjoy stretching.

Edit: Well since you said you have a 1080p monitor, set the resolution to 1920x1080.