How much money will Microsoft's xbox division lose next gen? [POLL ADDED]

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#1 CallOfDutyRulez
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We already know that Microsoft spent approximately $3 billion in R&D on a customized AMD APU that's inferior on every level to the PS4's APU.

Furthermore, to compensate for the bandwidth discrepency between the PS4's 8 GB GDDR5 RAM and the ONE's 8 GB DDR3 RAM, Microsoft had to put in an expensive, near 2 billion transistor eSRAM that only slightly bridges the gap between the two while the PS4 needs no such crutch to perform better than the ONE. Also, Microsoft had to spend even more of their silicon budget for the move engines to transfer data between the DDR3 main RAM and the eSRAM, while no such silicon will be needed for the PS4.

All in all, Microsoft looks to be selling a vastly inferior hardware at a loss while the PS4 seems to have very low BoM while maintaining its hardware superiority. The R&D budget of the PS4 is also probably low, as there was no engineering difficulties on SONY's end. The 8 GB of GDDR5 came from hynix or Samsung's engineering department, so I doubt SONY foot the bill on higher density GDDR5 modules.

The worst part about it is that the yield rates are abysmally low on Microsoft's part. Once SONY gobbles up 75% of the marketshare, I expect 3rd party exclusives to make a comeback.

Next gen is Microsoft's to lose.

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It's gonna be such a slaughter, Microsoft might pull the plug on the entire Xbox division

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#3 CallOfDutyRulez
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It's gonna be such a slaughter, Microsoft might pull the plug on the entire Xbox division

Davekeeh

Indeed. Any lemrat who doesn't think this is delusional.

Not only is the ONE weaker than the PS4, it's also insanely difficult to manufacture.

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ITT:

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#5 RR360DD
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So much wrong information :lol:

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#6 RR360DD
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ITT:

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Yup. Adobe take note :cool:
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About as much as sony lost last gen on ps3 "the next gen already started by the way"

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#8 CallOfDutyRulez
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So much wrong information :lol:

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RR360DD

So big, expensive eSRAM that only slightly bridges the gap between the two consoles isn't going to raise the total BoM for the ONE?

The move engines aren't going to raise the BoM for the ONE?

Face it, the PS4 has a better architecture than the ONE. A lot of the ONE's silicon budget will be used to slightly close the performance gap between the PS4 and the ONE.

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:cry:

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#10 sebbi11
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x1 is competing against a console with no games and a shitty online service, how can it loose?

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#11 CallOfDutyRulez
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x1 is competing against a console with no games and a shitty online service, how can it loose?

sebbi11

Enjoying your exclusives this year? :lol:

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It's gonna be such a slaughter, Microsoft might pull the plug on the entire Xbox division

Davekeeh
Anyone who wants this to happen is a fool. Microsoft is the one keeping Sony on their toes. If not for the XBox, the PS3 would've simply used the cell for graphics. And the PS4 would not have been nearly as nice as it is...
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#13 RR360DD
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[QUOTE="RR360DD"]

So much wrong information :lol:

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CallOfDutyRulez

So big, expensive eSRAM that only slightly bridges the gap between the two consoles isn't going to raise the total BoM for the ONE?

The move engines aren't going to raise the BoM for the ONE?

Face it, the PS4 has a better architecture than the ONE. A lot of the ONE's silicon budget will be used to slightly close the performance gap between the PS4 and the ONE.

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#14 CallOfDutyRulez
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[QUOTE="Davekeeh"]

It's gonna be such a slaughter, Microsoft might pull the plug on the entire Xbox division

superclocked

Anyone who wants this to happen is a fool. Microsoft is the one keeping Sony on their toes. If not for the XBox, the PS3 would've simply used the cell for graphics. And the PS4 would not have been nearly as nice as it is...

Stupid reasoning.

Pretty much every console owner agrees that Microsoft screwed up royally with the ONE. The specs suck, the architecture sucks, there probably won't be any games after the first 2 years considering Microsoft's track record,blah blah blah.

The thing is, hoping that Microsoft succeeds because "it'll keep SONY on its toes" isn't a good reason. You're only looking at it on one side. If Microsoft gets the same amount of marketshare as SONY does next gen, then it sends a message to Microsoft that they can continue with their crappy engineering decisions, their "no games after first 2 years" policy, online DRM, etc. etc.

Microsoft has to fail so that:

A) They learn their lesson and improve themselves next gen

B) They leave so that a more competent player joins the industry

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#15 SambaLele
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None, they'll actually earn a lot of profit.

This is one thing I'll never doubt MS is able to do, profit from everything. Given that the X1 won't be a failure, due to the backpedaling, brand strength, marketing, and uninformed consumers (probably the vast majority) that won't even know about the DRM plans, the Kinect 2.0 controversy, etc.

They probably will, of course, lose a lot of their user base, due to the recent fiasco.

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[QUOTE="CallOfDutyRulez"]

[QUOTE="RR360DD"]

So much wrong information :lol:

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RR360DD

So big, expensive eSRAM that only slightly bridges the gap between the two consoles isn't going to raise the total BoM for the ONE?

The move engines aren't going to raise the BoM for the ONE?

Face it, the PS4 has a better architecture than the ONE. A lot of the ONE's silicon budget will be used to slightly close the performance gap between the PS4 and the ONE.

:cry:

RR360DD: HOW DID SONY OUTSMART MICROSOFT!? :cry:

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[QUOTE="superclocked"][QUOTE="Davekeeh"]

It's gonna be such a slaughter, Microsoft might pull the plug on the entire Xbox division

CallOfDutyRulez

Anyone who wants this to happen is a fool. Microsoft is the one keeping Sony on their toes. If not for the XBox, the PS3 would've simply used the cell for graphics. And the PS4 would not have been nearly as nice as it is...

Stupid reasoning.

Pretty much every console owner agrees that Microsoft screwed up royally with the ONE. The specs suck, the architecture sucks, there probably won't be any games after the first 2 years considering Microsoft's track record,blah blah blah.

The thing is, hoping that Microsoft succeeds because "it'll keep SONY on its toes" isn't a good reason. You're only looking at it on one side. If Microsoft gets the same amount of marketshare as SONY does next gen, then it sends a message to Microsoft that they can continue with their crappy engineering decisions, their "no games after first 2 years" policy, online DRM, etc. etc.

Microsoft has to fail so that:

A) They learn their lesson and improve themselves next gen

B) They leave so that a more competent player joins the industry

Stupid reasoning? Wanting the XBox One to sell poorly is one thing. Wanting the entire XBox division to shut down and give Sony a monopoly is different all together. Consoles had crap hardware before Microsoft entered the race, and that's a fact...
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#18 CallOfDutyRulez
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[QUOTE="CallOfDutyRulez"]

[QUOTE="superclocked"]Anyone who wants this to happen is a fool. Microsoft is the one keeping Sony on their toes. If not for the XBox, the PS3 would've simply used the cell for graphics. And the PS4 would not have been nearly as nice as it is...superclocked

Stupid reasoning.

Pretty much every console owner agrees that Microsoft screwed up royally with the ONE. The specs suck, the architecture sucks, there probably won't be any games after the first 2 years considering Microsoft's track record,blah blah blah.

The thing is, hoping that Microsoft succeeds because "it'll keep SONY on its toes" isn't a good reason. You're only looking at it on one side. If Microsoft gets the same amount of marketshare as SONY does next gen, then it sends a message to Microsoft that they can continue with their crappy engineering decisions, their "no games after first 2 years" policy, online DRM, etc. etc.

Microsoft has to fail so that:

A) They learn their lesson and improve themselves next gen

B) They leave so that a more competent player joins the industry

Stupid reasoning? Wanting the XBox One to sell poorly is one thing. Wanting the entire XBox division to shut down and give Sony a monopoly is different all together. Consoles had crap hardware before Microsoft entered the race, and that's a fact...

The xbox ONE has no redeeming features compared to the PS4.

Microsoft should leave the industry so that google joins.

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#19 RR360DD
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[QUOTE="RR360DD"]

[QUOTE="CallOfDutyRulez"]

So big, expensive eSRAM that only slightly bridges the gap between the two consoles isn't going to raise the total BoM for the ONE?

The move engines aren't going to raise the BoM for the ONE?

Face it, the PS4 has a better architecture than the ONE. A lot of the ONE's silicon budget will be used to slightly close the performance gap between the PS4 and the ONE.

CallOfDutyRulez

:cry:

RR360DD: HOW DID SONY OUTSMART MICROSOFT!? :cry:

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Another meltdown from Sonysexual

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[QUOTE="superclocked"][QUOTE="Davekeeh"]

It's gonna be such a slaughter, Microsoft might pull the plug on the entire Xbox division

CallOfDutyRulez

Anyone who wants this to happen is a fool. Microsoft is the one keeping Sony on their toes. If not for the XBox, the PS3 would've simply used the cell for graphics. And the PS4 would not have been nearly as nice as it is...

Stupid reasoning.

Pretty much every console owner agrees that Microsoft screwed up royally with the ONE. The specs suck, the architecture sucks, there probably won't be any games after the first 2 years considering Microsoft's track record,blah blah blah.

The thing is, hoping that Microsoft succeeds because "it'll keep SONY on its toes" isn't a good reason. You're only looking at it on one side. If Microsoft gets the same amount of marketshare as SONY does next gen, then it sends a message to Microsoft that they can continue with their crappy engineering decisions, their "no games after first 2 years" policy, online DRM, etc. etc.

Microsoft has to fail so that:

A) They learn their lesson and improve themselves next gen

B) They leave so that a more competent player joins the industry

Well, first of all competition is important driver in innovation. Secondly, I have never seen someone use the word "suck" that many times in a post. Is the X1's hardware weaker than the PS4's? Sure, but gamers will not likely see a big difference in game for some time to come. Also, it is too rash to come to the conclusion that all of Microsoft's DRM policies would have resulted in a negative experience for gamers. We won't know for sure until such policies are implemented.

You are right in saying that it if X1 keeps it market share, it may send the wrong signal to management. However, you have to consider the bad press they have been getting, as well. They do not necessarily have to lose market share to "learn a lesson." Lastly, Microsoft has been a very competent company within the gaming industry. In fact, financially they are in a better position to create competitive advantages such as the cloud, kinect, and exclusives. Only time will tell how those strategies pan out.

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#21 CallOfDutyRulez
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[QUOTE="CallOfDutyRulez"]

[QUOTE="RR360DD"]

:cry:

RR360DD

RR360DD: HOW DID SONY OUTSMART MICROSOFT!? :cry:

:cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry:

Enjoy your weaksauce machine with no games.

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Microsoft is one of the richest companies in the world, Sony stock is at junk status. Cry more cows.
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#23 CallOfDutyRulez
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[QUOTE="CallOfDutyRulez"]

[QUOTE="superclocked"]Anyone who wants this to happen is a fool. Microsoft is the one keeping Sony on their toes. If not for the XBox, the PS3 would've simply used the cell for graphics. And the PS4 would not have been nearly as nice as it is...stizzal13

Stupid reasoning.

Pretty much every console owner agrees that Microsoft screwed up royally with the ONE. The specs suck, the architecture sucks, there probably won't be any games after the first 2 years considering Microsoft's track record,blah blah blah.

The thing is, hoping that Microsoft succeeds because "it'll keep SONY on its toes" isn't a good reason. You're only looking at it on one side. If Microsoft gets the same amount of marketshare as SONY does next gen, then it sends a message to Microsoft that they can continue with their crappy engineering decisions, their "no games after first 2 years" policy, online DRM, etc. etc.

Microsoft has to fail so that:

A) They learn their lesson and improve themselves next gen

B) They leave so that a more competent player joins the industry

Well, first of all competition is important driver in innovation. Secondly, I have never seen someone use the word "suck" that many times in a post. Is the X1's hardware weaker than the PS4's? Sure, but gamers will not likely see a big difference in game for some time to come. Also, it is too rash to come to the conclusion that all of Microsoft's DRM policies would have resulted in a negative experience for gamers. We won't know for sure until such policies are implemented.

You are right in saying that it if X1 keeps it market share, it may send the wrong signal to management. However, you have to consider the bad press they have been getting, as well. They do not necessarily have to lose market share to "learn a lesson." Lastly, Microsoft has been a very competent company within the gaming industry. In fact, financially they are in a better position to create competitive advantages such as the cloud, kinect, and exclusives. Only time will tell how those strategies pan out.

Considering that the ONE has no redeeming features compared to the PS4, Microsoft has outlived its usefulness in driving competition and innovation in the gaming industry. Their leave will have no consequence other than making lemming filth commit mass suicide. Microsoft is simply not needed anymore. 

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#24 RR360DD
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[QUOTE="RR360DD"]

[QUOTE="CallOfDutyRulez"]

RR360DD: HOW DID SONY OUTSMART MICROSOFT!? :cry:

CallOfDutyRulez

:cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry:

Enjoy your weaksauce machine with no games.

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:lol: calm down sonysexual, theres no need to be upset

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[QUOTE="CallOfDutyRulez"]

[QUOTE="RR360DD"]

:cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry:

RR360DD

Enjoy your weaksauce machine with no games.

:cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry:

:lol: Cry more, lem.

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It's gonna be such a slaughter, Microsoft might pull the plug on the entire Xbox division

Davekeeh

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#27 deeliman
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[QUOTE="stizzal13"]

[QUOTE="CallOfDutyRulez"]

Stupid reasoning.

Pretty much every console owner agrees that Microsoft screwed up royally with the ONE. The specs suck, the architecture sucks, there probably won't be any games after the first 2 years considering Microsoft's track record,blah blah blah.

The thing is, hoping that Microsoft succeeds because "it'll keep SONY on its toes" isn't a good reason. You're only looking at it on one side. If Microsoft gets the same amount of marketshare as SONY does next gen, then it sends a message to Microsoft that they can continue with their crappy engineering decisions, their "no games after first 2 years" policy, online DRM, etc. etc.

Microsoft has to fail so that:

A) They learn their lesson and improve themselves next gen

B) They leave so that a more competent player joins the industry

CallOfDutyRulez

Well, first of all competition is important driver in innovation. Secondly, I have never seen someone use the word "suck" that many times in a post. Is the X1's hardware weaker than the PS4's? Sure, but gamers will not likely see a big difference in game for some time to come. Also, it is too rash to come to the conclusion that all of Microsoft's DRM policies would have resulted in a negative experience for gamers. We won't know for sure until such policies are implemented.

You are right in saying that it if X1 keeps it market share, it may send the wrong signal to management. However, you have to consider the bad press they have been getting, as well. They do not necessarily have to lose market share to "learn a lesson." Lastly, Microsoft has been a very competent company within the gaming industry. In fact, financially they are in a better position to create competitive advantages such as the cloud, kinect, and exclusives. Only time will tell how those strategies pan out.

Considering that the ONE has no redeeming features compared to the PS4, Microsoft has outlived its usefulness in driving competition and innovation in the gaming industry. Their leave will have no consequence other than making lemming filth commit mass suicide. Microsoft is simply not needed anymore. 

And what has sony done to innovate for next gen? make the exact same console that the ps3 was only with better hardware? Plus microsoft doesn't have to fail in order for another company to make a console, you know...
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Bunches & bunches in the first few years since they're selling $850.00 hardware for a measly 500 bills. :o :P

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[QUOTE="RR360DD"]

[QUOTE="CallOfDutyRulez"]

Enjoy your weaksauce machine with no games.

CallOfDutyRulez

:cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry:

:lol: Cry more, lem.

Editing other peoples posts in quotes is a moddable offence, i'd watch out if i were you sonysexual.

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Bunches & bunches in the first few years since they're selling $850.00 hardware for a measly 500 bills. :o :P

SecretPolice

The PS4 had more preorders in 10 hours than the xbox ONE had in 4 weeks...

Edit: Make that 6 weeks.

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#31 RR360DD
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[QUOTE="RR360DD"]

[QUOTE="CallOfDutyRulez"]

Enjoy your weaksauce machine with no games.

CallOfDutyRulez

:cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry:

:lol: Cry more, lem.

Meltdown confirmed

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#32 CallOfDutyRulez
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[QUOTE="CallOfDutyRulez"]

[QUOTE="stizzal13"] Well, first of all competition is important driver in innovation. Secondly, I have never seen someone use the word "suck" that many times in a post. Is the X1's hardware weaker than the PS4's? Sure, but gamers will not likely see a big difference in game for some time to come. Also, it is too rash to come to the conclusion that all of Microsoft's DRM policies would have resulted in a negative experience for gamers. We won't know for sure until such policies are implemented.

You are right in saying that it if X1 keeps it market share, it may send the wrong signal to management. However, you have to consider the bad press they have been getting, as well. They do not necessarily have to lose market share to "learn a lesson." Lastly, Microsoft has been a very competent company within the gaming industry. In fact, financially they are in a better position to create competitive advantages such as the cloud, kinect, and exclusives. Only time will tell how those strategies pan out.

deeliman

Considering that the ONE has no redeeming features compared to the PS4, Microsoft has outlived its usefulness in driving competition and innovation in the gaming industry. Their leave will have no consequence other than making lemming filth commit mass suicide. Microsoft is simply not needed anymore. 

And what has sony done to innovate for next gen? make the exact same console that the ps3 was only with better hardware? Plus microsoft doesn't have to fail in order for another company to make a console, you know...

Neither console is innovative. Next gen will boil down to which console has superior hardware and services.

Hardware - SONY

Services - No exclusives after 2 years for the ONE, so this is SONY.

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#33 CallOfDutyRulez
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[QUOTE="CallOfDutyRulez"]

[QUOTE="RR360DD"]

:cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry:

Snugenz

:lol: Cry more, lem.

Editing other peoples posts in quotes is a moddable offence, i'd watch out if i were you sonysexual.

Again with this sonysexual accusation. :lol:

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#34 stizzal13
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[QUOTE="stizzal13"]

[QUOTE="CallOfDutyRulez"]

Stupid reasoning.

Pretty much every console owner agrees that Microsoft screwed up royally with the ONE. The specs suck, the architecture sucks, there probably won't be any games after the first 2 years considering Microsoft's track record,blah blah blah.

The thing is, hoping that Microsoft succeeds because "it'll keep SONY on its toes" isn't a good reason. You're only looking at it on one side. If Microsoft gets the same amount of marketshare as SONY does next gen, then it sends a message to Microsoft that they can continue with their crappy engineering decisions, their "no games after first 2 years" policy, online DRM, etc. etc.

Microsoft has to fail so that:

A) They learn their lesson and improve themselves next gen

B) They leave so that a more competent player joins the industry

CallOfDutyRulez

Well, first of all competition is important driver in innovation. Secondly, I have never seen someone use the word "suck" that many times in a post. Is the X1's hardware weaker than the PS4's? Sure, but gamers will not likely see a big difference in game for some time to come. Also, it is too rash to come to the conclusion that all of Microsoft's DRM policies would have resulted in a negative experience for gamers. We won't know for sure until such policies are implemented.

You are right in saying that it if X1 keeps it market share, it may send the wrong signal to management. However, you have to consider the bad press they have been getting, as well. They do not necessarily have to lose market share to "learn a lesson." Lastly, Microsoft has been a very competent company within the gaming industry. In fact, financially they are in a better position to create competitive advantages such as the cloud, kinect, and exclusives. Only time will tell how those strategies pan out.

Considering that the ONE has no redeeming features compared to the PS4, Microsoft has outlived its usefulness in driving competition and innovation in the gaming industry. Their leave will have no consequence other than making lemming filth commit mass suicide. Microsoft is simply not needed anymore. 

Again, I respect your opinion, but to say that the X1 has no redeeming qualities is a bit asinine. However, after reading your responses to other posters, I have come to the realization that I am in a "troll thread." In any case, I think you will get more respect around here if you put a little more thought into your posts and not be so rash.
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#35 deeliman
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[QUOTE="deeliman"][QUOTE="CallOfDutyRulez"]

Considering that the ONE has no redeeming features compared to the PS4, Microsoft has outlived its usefulness in driving competition and innovation in the gaming industry. Their leave will have no consequence other than making lemming filth commit mass suicide. Microsoft is simply not needed anymore. 

CallOfDutyRulez

And what has sony done to innovate for next gen? make the exact same console that the ps3 was only with better hardware? Plus microsoft doesn't have to fail in order for another company to make a console, you know...

Neither console is innovative. Next gen will boil down to which console has superior hardware and services.

Hardware - SONY

Services - No exclusives after 2 years for the ONE, so this is SONY.

Didn't microsoft spend 1 billion dollars on exclusives for the Xbox One?
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#36 CallOfDutyRulez
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[QUOTE="CallOfDutyRulez"]

[QUOTE="stizzal13"] Well, first of all competition is important driver in innovation. Secondly, I have never seen someone use the word "suck" that many times in a post. Is the X1's hardware weaker than the PS4's? Sure, but gamers will not likely see a big difference in game for some time to come. Also, it is too rash to come to the conclusion that all of Microsoft's DRM policies would have resulted in a negative experience for gamers. We won't know for sure until such policies are implemented.

You are right in saying that it if X1 keeps it market share, it may send the wrong signal to management. However, you have to consider the bad press they have been getting, as well. They do not necessarily have to lose market share to "learn a lesson." Lastly, Microsoft has been a very competent company within the gaming industry. In fact, financially they are in a better position to create competitive advantages such as the cloud, kinect, and exclusives. Only time will tell how those strategies pan out.

stizzal13

Considering that the ONE has no redeeming features compared to the PS4, Microsoft has outlived its usefulness in driving competition and innovation in the gaming industry. Their leave will have no consequence other than making lemming filth commit mass suicide. Microsoft is simply not needed anymore. 

Again, I respect your opinion, but to say that the X1 has no redeeming qualities is a bit asinine. However, after reading your responses to other posters, I have come to the realization that I am in a "troll thread." In any case, I think you will get more respect around here if you put a little more thought into your posts and not be so rash.

So are you gonna point them out or are you just going to keep saying that my opinions are "asinine"?

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#37 CallOfDutyRulez
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[QUOTE="CallOfDutyRulez"]

[QUOTE="deeliman"] And what has sony done to innovate for next gen? make the exact same console that the ps3 was only with better hardware? Plus microsoft doesn't have to fail in order for another company to make a console, you know... deeliman

Neither console is innovative. Next gen will boil down to which console has superior hardware and services.

Hardware - SONY

Services - No exclusives after 2 years for the ONE, so this is SONY.

Didn't microsoft spend 1 billion dollars on exclusives for the Xbox One?

More like 1 billion on timed exclusives and telling 3rd party not to mention PS4 versions.

Once PS4 outsells the ONE everywhere, no 3rd party is going to want to withhold content on the PS4.

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#38 SambaLele
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[QUOTE="stizzal13"]

[QUOTE="CallOfDutyRulez"]

Stupid reasoning.

Pretty much every console owner agrees that Microsoft screwed up royally with the ONE. The specs suck, the architecture sucks, there probably won't be any games after the first 2 years considering Microsoft's track record,blah blah blah.

The thing is, hoping that Microsoft succeeds because "it'll keep SONY on its toes" isn't a good reason. You're only looking at it on one side. If Microsoft gets the same amount of marketshare as SONY does next gen, then it sends a message to Microsoft that they can continue with their crappy engineering decisions, their "no games after first 2 years" policy, online DRM, etc. etc.

Microsoft has to fail so that:

A) They learn their lesson and improve themselves next gen

B) They leave so that a more competent player joins the industry

CallOfDutyRulez

Well, first of all competition is important driver in innovation. Secondly, I have never seen someone use the word "suck" that many times in a post. Is the X1's hardware weaker than the PS4's? Sure, but gamers will not likely see a big difference in game for some time to come. Also, it is too rash to come to the conclusion that all of Microsoft's DRM policies would have resulted in a negative experience for gamers. We won't know for sure until such policies are implemented.

You are right in saying that it if X1 keeps it market share, it may send the wrong signal to management. However, you have to consider the bad press they have been getting, as well. They do not necessarily have to lose market share to "learn a lesson." Lastly, Microsoft has been a very competent company within the gaming industry. In fact, financially they are in a better position to create competitive advantages such as the cloud, kinect, and exclusives. Only time will tell how those strategies pan out.

Considering that the ONE has no redeeming features compared to the PS4, Microsoft has outlived its usefulness in driving competition and innovation in the gaming industry. Their leave will have no consequence other than making lemming filth commit mass suicide. Microsoft is simply not needed anymore. 

I'd agree partially. MS must feel some backlash from trying to impose those draconian features, so the message is out there to other companies as well. A digital outcry can't have the same impact than reducing profits or diminishing the user base.

But to scrap MS out of the market is too radical. Other companies tried to do the same things, in other ways, and they will continue to do so. It's only the consumer himself who's avoiding those policies from becoming standard.

I don't doubt Sony would try to do the same if the market was in the proper conditions (and this goes not only to the strict policies, but also for the other MS mistakes, like the weaker-than-competition hardware and such). If you think about it, Sony did already some of those things, like putting a yearly subscription to online gaming next-gen, and making the PS2 weaker (and thus, less costly) than it could be back then, when they almost had a monopoly during the PS1-PS2 transition.

The right reasons to make MS feel some colateral damage now is to pass the message to the entire market that we don't want subpar and overpriced hardware (compared to the competition of course) and anti-consumer practices, like the used-games DRM, always online, mandatory installs, Kinect 2.0, etc fiasco.

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#39 CaseyWegner
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[QUOTE="Snugenz"]

[QUOTE="CallOfDutyRulez"]

:lol: Cry more, lem.

CallOfDutyRulez

Editing other peoples posts in quotes is a moddable offence, i'd watch out if i were you sonysexual.

Again with this sonysexual accusation. :lol:

you shouldn't have made it so obvious.

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#40 SambaLele
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[QUOTE="CallOfDutyRulez"]

[QUOTE="deeliman"] And what has sony done to innovate for next gen? make the exact same console that the ps3 was only with better hardware? Plus microsoft doesn't have to fail in order for another company to make a console, you know... deeliman

Neither console is innovative. Next gen will boil down to which console has superior hardware and services.

Hardware - SONY

Services - No exclusives after 2 years for the ONE, so this is SONY.

Didn't microsoft spend 1 billion dollars on exclusives for the Xbox One?

 

On exclusives or on exclusive content? MS did confuse these things in the current gen, and it leaded to a lot of timed exclusives, exclusive DLC and such... while people were actually expecting exclusive IPs.

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[QUOTE="CallOfDutyRulez"]

[QUOTE="Snugenz"]

Editing other peoples posts in quotes is a moddable offence, i'd watch out if i were you sonysexual.

CaseyWegner

Again with this sonysexual accusation. :lol:

you shouldn't have mdae it so obvious.

he used to fakeboy as a lemming too guy has serious issues
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One billion dollars!

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#43 CallOfDutyRulez
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[QUOTE="CallOfDutyRulez"]

[QUOTE="stizzal13"] Well, first of all competition is important driver in innovation. Secondly, I have never seen someone use the word "suck" that many times in a post. Is the X1's hardware weaker than the PS4's? Sure, but gamers will not likely see a big difference in game for some time to come. Also, it is too rash to come to the conclusion that all of Microsoft's DRM policies would have resulted in a negative experience for gamers. We won't know for sure until such policies are implemented.

You are right in saying that it if X1 keeps it market share, it may send the wrong signal to management. However, you have to consider the bad press they have been getting, as well. They do not necessarily have to lose market share to "learn a lesson." Lastly, Microsoft has been a very competent company within the gaming industry. In fact, financially they are in a better position to create competitive advantages such as the cloud, kinect, and exclusives. Only time will tell how those strategies pan out.

SambaLele

Considering that the ONE has no redeeming features compared to the PS4, Microsoft has outlived its usefulness in driving competition and innovation in the gaming industry. Their leave will have no consequence other than making lemming filth commit mass suicide. Microsoft is simply not needed anymore. 

I'd agree partially. MS must feel some backlash from trying to impose those draconian features, so the message is out there to other companies as well. A digital outcry can't have the same impact than reducing profits or diminishing the user base.

But to scrap MS out of the market is too radical. Other companies tried to do the same things, in other ways, and they will continue to do so. It's only the consumer himself who's avoiding those policies from becoming standard.

I don't doubt Sony would try to do the same if the market was in the proper conditions (and this goes not only to the strict policies, but also for the other MS mistakes, like the weaker-than-competition hardware and such). If you think about it, Sony did already some of those things, like putting a yearly subscription to online gaming next-gen, and making the PS2 weaker (and thus, less costly) than it could be back then, when they almost had a monopoly during the PS1-PS2 transition.

The right reasons to make MS feel some colateral damage now is to pass the message to the entire market that we don't want subpar and overpriced hardware (compared to the competition of course) and anti-consumer practices, like the used-games DRM, always online, mandatory installs, Kinect 2.0, etc fiasco.

The PS2 was quite powerful when it came out. The gamecube and the xbox came out almost 2 years after the PS2's release.

With Microsoft, all you're left with are mediocre exclusives (I expect the next Halo to be sub-mediore) and early CoD content. There really is no reason for them to stay any longer. There are other companies that are more competent than Microsoft that can give SONY some real competition.

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#44 CallOfDutyRulez
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[QUOTE="CallOfDutyRulez"]

[QUOTE="Snugenz"]

Editing other peoples posts in quotes is a moddable offence, i'd watch out if i were you sonysexual.

CaseyWegner

Again with this sonysexual accusation. :lol:

you shouldn't have made it so obvious.

Yeah, sure. You paranoid conspiracy lemrats are hilarious. :lol:

And why haven't you responded to my ban bet challenge? Did your balls not drop yet?

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An unknown amount.

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So much wrong information :lol:

callofdutyrulez owned again

RR360DD
Lol,, Cows doing what cows do :) MS will be fine as they are definitely looking at Xbox One to be supported in every way for years to come. If we were talking about this a week after launch and launch was bad, this might make sense as a discussion. But predictions based on products that aren't due on the shelves for months in a world where so much can change on a dime, I'd not say anyone was dead or a guarantee hit. But MS and its deep pockets and commitment, think the Xbox One will be just fine. As for Sony, as a company that have a ton to turn around juts to avoid going under in the next 3 to 5 years. This is a marathon, not a sprint :)
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[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="CallOfDutyRulez"]

Again with this sonysexual accusation. :lol:

CallOfDutyRulez

you shouldn't have made it so obvious.

Yeah, sure. You paranoid conspiracy lemrats are hilarious. :lol:

And why haven't you responded to my ban bet challenge? Did your balls not drop yet?

did you just call me a lemrat? :lol:

why would i make a bet on something i know nothing about and have no attachment to against a person who's probably going to be banned by the time the game is out anyway?

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#48 CallOfDutyRulez
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[QUOTE="RR360DD"]

So much wrong information :lol:

callofdutyrulez owned again

shawn30

Lol,, Cows doing what cows do :) MS will be fine as they are definitely looking at Xbox One to be supported in every way for years to come. If we were talking about this a week after launch and launch was bad, this might make sense as a discussion. But predictions based on products that aren't due on the shelves for months in a world where so much can change on a dime, I'd not say anyone was dead or a guarantee hit. But MS and its deep pockets and commitment, think the Xbox One will be just fine. As for Sony, as a company that have a ton to turn around juts to avoid going under in the next 3 to 5 years. This is a marathon, not a sprint :)

Yes, a marathon, and which company drops a failed product after 3 years and never releases a good exclusive after 2 years?

I say you placed your bets on the wrong horse.

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#49 CallOfDutyRulez
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[QUOTE="CallOfDutyRulez"]

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

you shouldn't have made it so obvious.

CaseyWegner

Yeah, sure. You paranoid conspiracy lemrats are hilarious. :lol:

And why haven't you responded to my ban bet challenge? Did your balls not drop yet?

did you just call me a lemrat? :lol:

why would i make a bet on something i know nothing about and have no attachment to against a person who's probably going to be banned by the time the game is out anyway?

You sound scared that Halo is gonna be a sub-mediocre PoS next-gen, aren't you?

You filthy lemmings are pathetic. :lol:

I'm a 360 gamer and I don't have any emotional attachment to the xbox like you do. Some of you really do need to go see a psychiatrist.

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#50 super600  Moderator
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[QUOTE="shawn30"][QUOTE="RR360DD"]

So much wrong information :lol:

callofdutyrulez owned again

CallOfDutyRulez

Lol,, Cows doing what cows do :) MS will be fine as they are definitely looking at Xbox One to be supported in every way for years to come. If we were talking about this a week after launch and launch was bad, this might make sense as a discussion. But predictions based on products that aren't due on the shelves for months in a world where so much can change on a dime, I'd not say anyone was dead or a guarantee hit. But MS and its deep pockets and commitment, think the Xbox One will be just fine. As for Sony, as a company that have a ton to turn around juts to avoid going under in the next 3 to 5 years. This is a marathon, not a sprint :)

Yes, a marathon, and which company drops a failed product after 3 years and never releases a good exclusive after 2 years?

I say you placed your bets on the wrong horse.

MS was forced to drop the original xbox because of nvidia.Exclusives for the 360 have released until this year even though exclusive support slowed down around 2009.