How much should Brawl's score suffer because it doesn't use the waggle?

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#1 -D3MO-
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i heard that brawl will use the regular gc controller...instead of waggle. Since Wii is riding on the Waggle as its main thing it brings to the table this gen...how much should Brawl's score suffer? I mean the game won't be using the innovation, nor will it be on par graphically with other titles... so...I'm thinking like 1.0 should be deducted (if in fact the brawl doesn't use waggle)
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#2 -RPGamer-
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I think it should get perks for not forcing the gimmick. So +2. :)
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#3 mattbbpl
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I think it can use three different controllers. Does the Wii remote use motion sensing at all?

Either way, it will be great.

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#4 Devil-Itachi
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It should be deducted 0.0 for the reason stated.
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#5 -D3MO-
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I think it should get perks for not forcing the gimmick. So +2. :)-RPGamer-
but that's all the Wii has :(
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#6 Always-Honest
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[QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]I think it should get perks for not forcing the gimmick. So +2. :)-D3MO-
but that's all the Wii has :(

aren't there around four ways to control this game?

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#7 aldez17
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It does use the motion sensing in some way, allowing you to tilt the controller in a certain direction to have you character perform a Smash Attack in that direction. The game doesnt try to force you into any one control method, and personally, I dont see what's wrong with that.
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#8 thrones
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I think it should get perks for not forcing the gimmick. So +2. :)-RPGamer-

Agreed.

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[QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]I think it should get perks for not forcing the gimmick. So +2. :)-D3MO-
but that's all the Wii has :(

So if a 360 or PS3 game isn't graphically up to par, but everything else is great including the most important aspect of any game, gameplay, should a point be deducted from its score? I don't necessarily think so. I don't agree with forced waggle, if they think GC controls are best, then that's that. Who cares.

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#10 footfoe2
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[QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]I think it should get perks for not forcing the gimmick. So +2. :)-D3MO-
but that's all the Wii has :(

hahahaha yeah it is!!! if the reviewers realize that its the same as every every other super smash bros then it'll get a 7 whoot
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#11 HeliumFear
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Why should it suffer at all? Motion controlls would be horrible for this style of game,sort of like how RTSs are horrible with dual analog. A game should be judged by how well the controll scheme works with the game,not by how well it conforms to the standard controll schemes of the platform.
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#12 jangojay
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[QUOTE="-D3MO-"][QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]I think it should get perks for not forcing the gimmick. So +2. :)Always-Honest

but that's all the Wii has :(

aren't there around four ways to control this game?

Wii mote

Classic

GC controller (which I am gonna use)

Dunno what's the forth if there is even one.

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#13 -D3MO-
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[QUOTE="-D3MO-"][QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]I think it should get perks for not forcing the gimmick. So +2. :)Coldplay07

but that's all the Wii has :(

So if a 360 or PS3 game isn't graphically up to par, but everything else is great including the most important aspect of any game, gameplay, should a point be deducted from its score? I don't necessarily think so. I don't agree with forced waggle, if they think GC controls are best, then that's that. Who cares.

IF the graphics look like **** (not artistic style or anything like that, but graphics)...then yes.
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#14 -D3MO-
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Why should it suffer at all? Motion controlls would be horrible for this style of game,sort of like how RTSs are horrible with dual analog. A game should be judged by how well the controll scheme works with the game,not by how well it conforms to the standard controll schemes of the platform.HeliumFear
Well then what's the point of the wiimote if it doesn't fit the best franchise the console's got?
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#15 Erkidu
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[QUOTE="HeliumFear"]Why should it suffer at all? Motion controlls would be horrible for this style of game,sort of like how RTSs are horrible with dual analog. A game should be judged by how well the controll scheme works with the game,not by how well it conforms to the standard controll schemes of the platform.-D3MO-
Well then what's the point of the wiimote if it doesn't fit the best franchise the console's got?

That's the worst logic I've ever heard. You shouldn't use something just because it's there. Using your logic, an artistic game on the PS3 should be penalized for not being super-realistic and using the PS3's power to its full capabilities.
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#16 Always-Honest
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[QUOTE="Always-Honest"]

[QUOTE="-D3MO-"][QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]I think it should get perks for not forcing the gimmick. So +2. :)jangojay

but that's all the Wii has :(

aren't there around four ways to control this game?

Wii mote

Classic

GC controller (which I am gonna use)

Dunno what's the forth if there is even one.

i'm guessing it will get points for having multiple options.

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#17 Articuno76
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Should it be affected because it chooses not to use certain features of the system. No, of course not.

Should people raise an eyebrow to the fact that what will be one of the biggest games on the Wii doesn't embody the commpany's philosophy at all...hmm...

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#18 Willy105
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You can use motion control if you want.
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#19 jangojay
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[QUOTE="HeliumFear"]Why should it suffer at all? Motion controlls would be horrible for this style of game,sort of like how RTSs are horrible with dual analog. A game should be judged by how well the controll scheme works with the game,not by how well it conforms to the standard controll schemes of the platform.-D3MO-
Well then what's the point of the wiimote if it doesn't fit the best franchise the console's got?

Do all PS3 games use the sixaxis as it's main point of play? if not then points should be minused

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#20 Shad0ki11
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It shouldn't be deducted anything at all. In fact, the game is much better off not fully utilizing "waggle". Trust me.
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#21 anonymoussum1
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[QUOTE="-D3MO-"][QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]I think it should get perks for not forcing the gimmick. So +2. :)footfoe2
but that's all the Wii has :(

hahahaha yeah it is!!! if the reviewers realize that its the same as every every other super smash bros then it'll get a 7 whoot

Of course, they all gave Halo AAA, and it was the same game repeated.

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#22 TheEndBoss
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I wouldn't imagine that they'd take much off. And if that's a Con for Brawl, I will strongly disagree. I'm glad that the developers didn't throw in waggle just for the sake of using it. If they would have forced us to use only the Wiimote for this game and to wave it to perform certain actions (such as grabbing or using items), I'd be unhappy. Some control schemes require waving the remote (or at least it's an option; my memory about the controls is a bit bad), but you don't necessarily have to use that control scheme.
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#23 thriteenthmonke
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[QUOTE="Always-Honest"]

[QUOTE="-D3MO-"][QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]I think it should get perks for not forcing the gimmick. So +2. :)jangojay

but that's all the Wii has :(

aren't there around four ways to control this game?

Wii mote

Classic

GC controller (which I am gonna use)

Dunno what's the forth if there is even one.

Wiimote + nunchuck

also, you can custimize button setups.

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#24 X_Evo
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Brawl can be played with Wiimote turned on it's side, Wiimote + nunchuk, Classic controller, and GC controller if anything it should get a point for the amount of choices.
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#25 Sgt_Crow
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It has like 4 control schemes that are customizable.
Should get more points for that imo, next to the single PS3/360 control schemes.
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#26 omgburgerking
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Who needs innovation to make a game get reviewed well? Halo is just a plain shooter with some sprinkles on top but all three got reviewed well.

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#27 Always-Honest
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It has like 4 control schemes that are customizable.
Should get more points for that imo, next to the single PS3/360 control schemes.Sgt_Crow

and i think it will...

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#28 omarguy01
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how much should a score suffer for not using rumble?
how much should a score suffer for not using all the face buttons (coughfable2cough)
how much should a score suffer for not using sixaxis tilt?
how much should a score suffer for not having online functionality?

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#29 MetroidPrimePwn
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If you use the standard Wiimote and Nunchuk controller setup, then it does use "waggle" or whatever you want to call it.

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#30 deactivated-5f4694ac412a8
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I don't want Nintendo to force waggle on us. It doesn't work for every game. Look at Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn. No points should be deducted. They're doing the right thing.
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#31 HULKMANIA_001
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[QUOTE="-D3MO-"][QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]I think it should get perks for not forcing the gimmick. So +2. :)Coldplay07

but that's all the Wii has :(

So if a 360 or PS3 game isn't graphically up to par, but everything else is great including the most important aspect of any game, gameplay, should a point be deducted from its score? I don't necessarily think so. I don't agree with forced waggle, if they think GC controls are best, then that's that. Who cares.

but then without the wii remote, couldnt they have just made this for the GC aswell. as there is nothing really graphically superior about this game. and if using an OLD controller is the best method to play this game is shud get points deducted. Although Ive never personally played it yet so I cant judge just yet which control method will be the best.

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#32 princeofshapeir
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Straight from the Dojo:

FOUR CONTROLLER TYPES:

With the Wii-Remote and Nunchuck, you have the option of enabling "Shake Smash", which lets you quickly tap the control stick in the desired direction and shake the remote to perform a smash attack. You can also use motion sensing for navigating through menus, of course.

Sakurai himself has stated that the best ways to play Brawl are with the GameCube controller and ****c Controller for hardcore players, but the other two methods work just as well. I personally will be using the Wii Remote on its side.

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#33 omarguy01
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[QUOTE="Coldplay07"]

[QUOTE="-D3MO-"][QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]I think it should get perks for not forcing the gimmick. So +2. :)HULKMANIA_001

but that's all the Wii has :(

So if a 360 or PS3 game isn't graphically up to par, but everything else is great including the most important aspect of any game, gameplay, should a point be deducted from its score? I don't necessarily think so. I don't agree with forced waggle, if they think GC controls are best, then that's that. Who cares.

but then without the wii remote, couldnt they have just made this for the GC aswell. as there is nothing really graphically superior about this game. and if using an OLD controller is the best method to play this game is shud get points deducted. Although Ive never personally played it yet so I cant judge just yet which control method will be the best.

yes it could have been done on the GC. BUT the score shouldnt suffer because of it. that doesnt make the game any worse... thats like saying god of war 2 shoulda gotten a lower score for being on ps2
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#34 EuroMafia
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Should suffer? It allows you to play the best way and doesn't force the Wiimote (You can still use it)
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#35 TMontana1004
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GC controller? THANK THE LORD!
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#36 deactivated-59d151f079814
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I don't understand why people call it "waggle" in alot of games its damn good.. Resident Evil 4 showed how brilliant the controls are.. Its far off then a cheap gimmick if it made the game far more enjoyable.. But its also odvious that in some games it just doesn't belong.. Such as the Marvel Ultimate Alliance game..

And that being said they already said there will be 4 different choices.. Wii mote, Wimote + Nunchuck, GC controler, and the Wiis standard gamepad.. People who tried all of them said they were all well down control schemes.

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#37 samusarmada
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no it shouldnt. If motion controls arent the best way to play the game then they shouldnt be used.
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#38 princeofshapeir
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Christ, guys, look at my above post... Brawl supports Waggle.

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#39 metroidfood
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[QUOTE="HeliumFear"]Why should it suffer at all? Motion controlls would be horrible for this style of game,sort of like how RTSs are horrible with dual analog. A game should be judged by how well the controll scheme works with the game,not by how well it conforms to the standard controll schemes of the platform.-D3MO-
Well then what's the point of the wiimote if it doesn't fit the best franchise the console's got?

By that logic Halo 3 should have lost a point for being upscaled to HD.

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[QUOTE="HULKMANIA_001"][QUOTE="Coldplay07"]

[QUOTE="-D3MO-"][QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]I think it should get perks for not forcing the gimmick. So +2. :)omarguy01

but that's all the Wii has :(

So if a 360 or PS3 game isn't graphically up to par, but everything else is great including the most important aspect of any game, gameplay, should a point be deducted from its score? I don't necessarily think so. I don't agree with forced waggle, if they think GC controls are best, then that's that. Who cares.

but then without the wii remote, couldnt they have just made this for the GC aswell. as there is nothing really graphically superior about this game. and if using an OLD controller is the best method to play this game is shud get points deducted. Although Ive never personally played it yet so I cant judge just yet which control method will be the best.

yes it could have been done on the GC. BUT the score shouldnt suffer because of it. that doesnt make the game any worse... thats like saying god of war 2 shoulda gotten a lower score for being on ps2

this game couldnt play on the GC, first off its WAYY too big, its the first wii game to use the double layer discs, the music alone wouldnt fit on a GC disc, then the new havock physics engine, and etc.

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#41 samusarmada
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i didnt know it used havok, cool :)
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#42 --ProtoMan--
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i heard that brawl will use the regular gc controller...instead of waggle. Since Wii is riding on the Waggle as its main thing it brings to the table this gen...how much should Brawl's score suffer? I mean the game won't be using the innovation, nor will it be on par graphically with other titles... so...I'm thinking like 1.0 should be deducted (if in fact the brawl doesn't use waggle)-D3MO-

Ha. ha. ha.

Oh well. I should have expected this. All the haters who have nothing to do but complain will do it no matter what--it would be either "Why is waggle in every game?" or "What, why doesn't this game use waggle?" And of course, you're quite uninformed, because the Wiimote does support motion to execute smash attacks. Four types of control--but clearly you've just heard about one, decided it was the only way, and started throwing up facetious fanboy complaints.

It's obvious that you really don't care, because if Brawl was a waggle-fest, I'm sure you'd be whining about how it is casual trash.

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[QUOTE="-D3MO-"][QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]I think it should get perks for not forcing the gimmick. So +2. :)Coldplay07

but that's all the Wii has :(

So if a 360 or PS3 game isn't graphically up to par, but everything else is great including the most important aspect of any game, gameplay, should a point be deducted from its score? I don't necessarily think so. I don't agree with forced waggle, if they think GC controls are best, then that's that. Who cares.

are you trying to say that the only thing the xbox and the ps3 have are graphics? if that's the case you're a big hater

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#44 Blackification
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4 different control methods the score isn't going to suffer at all.
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#45 Marth6781
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[QUOTE="Coldplay07"]

[QUOTE="-D3MO-"][QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]I think it should get perks for not forcing the gimmick. So +2. :)sambalimbo

but that's all the Wii has :(

So if a 360 or PS3 game isn't graphically up to par, but everything else is great including the most important aspect of any game, gameplay, should a point be deducted from its score? I don't necessarily think so. I don't agree with forced waggle, if they think GC controls are best, then that's that. Who cares.

are you trying to say that the only thing the xbox and the ps3 have are graphics? if that's the case you're a big hater

pretty much, everthing else is last gen compatible.

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#46 Ragashahs
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won't hurt score but will definetly hurts it's image. kinda like SMG
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#47 samusarmada
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won't hurt score but will definetly hurts it's image. kinda like SMGRagashahs

galaxy has been praised for its wiimote functionality though :?

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#48 Private_Vegas
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With a game as frantic as Smash Bros the stick waggle would be more of a nuisance than anything else. Bonus points for not pushing the feature on a game when it would work against the gameplay mechanics.
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None... adding motion control would add nothing to the game, and just detract from it. :?
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#50 deactivated-5e0e425ee91d8
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1. it does use a bit of motion in the Remote/nunchuck setup

2. it uses 4 different controlers, gamecube is just one of them

3. does every PS3 game need teh cell, does every 360 game need to be an FPS thanks to the fps first controler...why should every wii game need motion scencing, hopefuly brawl will set the standered so motion is either not used or integrated right.