How much should Brawl's score suffer because it doesn't use the waggle?

In retrospect there are only a few genres where the Wii-mote is inferior to a normal controller. In most games it's on par, or even superior. Brawl is just one of those games that doesn't work for it, yet they've done an amazing job of adapting four different controller settings for it, all customizable.

I think you'd be hard-pressed to name more than a couple of PS3 or 360 games that couldn't be done with, or even improved by the Wii-mote.

Tylendal

I dunno, I think the wiimote has certainly made a case for itself in some games, but I think the jury's still out as to whether or not it works well with certain genres as a whole, although I do agree that most games can be fairly decently ported to the Wii and still work okay with the wiimote.

i heard that brawl will use the regular gc controller...instead of waggle. Since Wii is riding on the Waggle as its main thing it brings to the table this gen...how much should Brawl's score suffer? I mean the game won't be using the innovation, nor will it be on par graphically with other titles... so...I'm thinking like 1.0 should be deducted (if in fact the brawl doesn't use waggle)-D3MO-

None at all. Why should a game be penalized for using an optional control system?

[QUOTE="Tylendal"]

In retrospect there are only a few genres where the Wii-mote is inferior to a normal controller. In most games it's on par, or even superior. Brawl is just one of those games that doesn't work for it, yet they've done an amazing job of adapting four different controller settings for it, all customizable.

I think you'd be hard-pressed to name more than a couple of PS3 or 360 games that couldn't be done with, or even improved by the Wii-mote.

SeanBond

I dunno, I think the wiimote has certainly made a case for itself in some games, but I think the jury's still out as to whether or not it works well with certain genres as a whole, although I do agree that most games can be fairly decently ported to the Wii and still work okay with the wiimote.

Like what genres? Certainly action games heavy on complex combos like Ninja Gaiden wouldn't work well for it, but those games are few and far between. For almost every other game type or genre, it works as well or even better.

[QUOTE="-D3MO-"]i heard that brawl will use the regular gc controller...instead of waggle. Since Wii is riding on the Waggle as its main thing it brings to the table this gen...how much should Brawl's score suffer? I mean the game won't be using the innovation, nor will it be on par graphically with other titles... so...I'm thinking like 1.0 should be deducted (if in fact the brawl doesn't use waggle)mjarantilla

None at all. Why should a game be penalized for using an optional control system?

I think it should get perks for not forcing the gimmick. So +2. :)-RPGamer-

So you're saying it's a gimmick?

/shrug.

[QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]I think it should get perks for not forcing the gimmick. So +2. :)KhanhAgE

So you're saying it's a gimmick?

/shrug.

[QUOTE="-D3MO-"] So what's the point of waggle then if games aren't going to use it?darkspineslayer

so whats the point of blu-ray if games aren't going to use all the space?

EDIT: sofar, 1 game apparently uses all the space (MGS4)

Blu-ray has been chosen by Sony as a medium to distribute PlayStation 3 software (amongst other reasons).

Can you at least except that?

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

[QUOTE="-D3MO-"]i heard that brawl will use the regular gc controller...instead of waggle. Since Wii is riding on the Waggle as its main thing it brings to the table this gen...how much should Brawl's score suffer? I mean the game won't be using the innovation, nor will it be on par graphically with other titles... so...I'm thinking like 1.0 should be deducted (if in fact the brawl doesn't use waggle)-D3MO-

None at all. Why should a game be penalized for using an optional control system?

No, with the Wii you got the console and a controller. That the controller happened to have motion sensing as an added feature doesn't make it required. If you bought the Wii JUST for motion control, then you're the dupe.

[QUOTE="-D3MO-"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

[QUOTE="-D3MO-"]i heard that brawl will use the regular gc controller...instead of waggle. Since Wii is riding on the Waggle as its main thing it brings to the table this gen...how much should Brawl's score suffer? I mean the game won't be using the innovation, nor will it be on par graphically with other titles... so...I'm thinking like 1.0 should be deducted (if in fact the brawl doesn't use waggle)mjarantilla

None at all. Why should a game be penalized for using an optional control system?

No, with the Wii you got the console and a controller. That the controller happened to have motion sensing as an added feature doesn't make it required. If you bought the Wii JUST for motion control, then you're the dupe.

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="-D3MO-"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

[QUOTE="-D3MO-"]i heard that brawl will use the regular gc controller...instead of waggle. Since Wii is riding on the Waggle as its main thing it brings to the table this gen...how much should Brawl's score suffer? I mean the game won't be using the innovation, nor will it be on par graphically with other titles... so...I'm thinking like 1.0 should be deducted (if in fact the brawl doesn't use waggle)Erkidu

None at all. Why should a game be penalized for using an optional control system?

No, with the Wii you got the console and a controller. That the controller happened to have motion sensing as an added feature doesn't make it required. If you bought the Wii JUST for motion control, then you're the dupe.

You should've seen the first draft of my post. :P

[QUOTE="ApocalypseXIVV"]

Again, sonys big focus is blu-ray, so what does it say when a game doesnt use all that space they brag about having...? and also, u can use the wiimote with SSBB and it HAS some motion controls, so this whole thread is pointless fanboy garbage

jet052006

Im pretty sure they get bashed for it, thats why there has been many different threads throughout this gen saying blu-ray isnt needed, and Sony forced a un-needed format on people.

Im pretty sure ive never seen a review that says OH doesnt use all 50 GB, -5 points! thats what hes saying should be done for this game, cause Motion sensing isnt your only option

Oh my god... D3MO... please stop posting.

For the last time, you're complaining that Brawl doesn't use any motion sensing.

IT DOES!!!!

Then, once you realize you've been owned, you start saying how, "Oh! It won't work well! It's stupid! I payed $250 for a console so all the games use motion sensing!"

Yeah? Well, if I bought a PS3 or 360, I'd make sure the reason I did so was that all the games look graphically amazing. Unfortunately, Crysis has beaten any PS3 or 360 game that's coming out for the next four years.

This is ONE GAME. Who cares?! You can enable motion sensing if you want to, although it may be kind of hokey, but in the long run, can you really see a game like Smash using motion sensing?

i heard that brawl will use the regular gc controller...instead of waggle. Since Wii is riding on the Waggle as its main thing it brings to the table this gen...how much should Brawl's score suffer? I mean the game won't be using the innovation, nor will it be on par graphically with other titles... so...I'm thinking like 1.0 should be deducted (if in fact the brawl doesn't use waggle)-D3MO-

i think any game should use any control scheme the developers think works the best.

[QUOTE="SeanBond"][QUOTE="Shad0ki11"]

[QUOTE="-D3MO-"][QUOTE="Shad0ki11"]D3mo has been D3molished!-D3MO-

SSBB supports all methods of control. GC controller is superior than the other methods. Requiring the game to use "waggle" would be a big loss and not as many people would be interested in playing a side-scrolling, free-for-all fighting game with motion controls.

They're creating SSBB for the Wii because it is capable of so much more than it's predecessor (both the game's and the system's).

Not only must you use logic, but you have to be rational.

If a videogame is allowed 4 methods of control, then it's a good thing.

Limiting the control method to 1 (motion sensing) would be a big loss. More options makes people happy. Quite frankly, if SSBB were limited to just motion controls it would not make the game better and many would be disappointed. It would not be as anticipated as it has been for the past 5 months.

Here's a mighty familiar quote:

"This is your last chance. After this, there is no turning back. You take the blue pill - the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill - you stay in Wonderland and I show you how deep the rabbit-hole goes" -Morpheus, The Matrix.

Right now, -D3mo-, you've taken the blue pill.

I bet YOU wouldn't want to play it if it were limited only to motion controls.

What say you?

(Final Note: Don't edit my posts when you're quoting them. It's quite rude.)

While I agree that it's good Nintendo opted to include so many ways to play SSBB, I have to also agree with D3MO in seeing this as something of a defeat for the Wii. I own all 3 systems, so when I bought the Wii, I did it because I wanted to see what Nintendo could do with their amazing new motion controller. I've played Zelda, I've played Metroid, and I've played Mario, and with the exception of Metroid, they have yet to convince me that the wiimote is a step up in terms of control for any of my favorite genres. Capcom did an excellent job integrating the wiimote into RE4 (enough so that I would think about buying RE5 for the Wii over my 360, if for some reason it came out for both), but Nintendo's heavy hitters keep coming out, and I keep asking myself, "Wouldn't this be better on my 360?" Zelda didn't benefit from the stupid wiimote sword-play, and I absolutely hate the way Mario's spin move is utilized in Galaxy (give me back the punching and kicking of Mario 64, please). If I'm going to keep buying games for Nintendo's new system, they really need to start giving me a reason to accept graphical and sometimes content downgrades in exchange for the privilege of using the wiimote + nunchuk.

Again, I'm not saying Brawl would be better using solely motion controls (I never thought it would be), but if it's not going to make me want to use the wiimote over a regular controller, why am I buying it? Or I guess the better question would be, why did I buy a Wii?

get a life, wake up and smell the fail and all that jazz.

i'll take this from always honests sig, fanboys miss out

d3mo, however misses out on life.

[QUOTE="Private_Vegas"]With a game as frantic as Smash Bros the stick waggle would be more of a nuisance than anything else. Bonus points for not pushing the feature on a game when it would work against the gameplay mechanics.-D3MO-

[QUOTE="omarguy01"]

i agree with what you're saying about wii hypocricy

what i disagree with is saying the game's score should suffer because of it. a great game is a great game regardless of whether or not it has HD graphics, 7.1 sound, online, or waggle/pointer motions. my point is the game doesnt have to use all the features of the console (even if they are the console's "main features") to be a great game.

MikeE21286

So what you're essentially saying is that SSBB will be a great game.....despite it being on Wii, not because it's on Wii.