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#101 MirkoS77  Online
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Indies are the best games there are. Aside from Arkham Knight, that is...

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#102 Big_Pecks
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Could it be that blockbuster devs cut games for DLC making it feel incomplete and unbalanced ? No...

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#103  Edited By KungfuKitten
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The big budget companies left gaps with their philosophy of repeat-successes and ever increasing profits.
They opened up the space for the independents, and here they are. I welcome them.
Hope the bigger companies will find a way to adapt, because the independents are here to stay.

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#104  Edited By KungfuKitten
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@charizard1605 said:

I just want to point out, this statement only holds true if Nintendo is ignored entirely.

Nintendo has a very old fashioned and today nearly incomprehensible philosophy when it comes to game design. Pachter doesn't get it, Youtubers don't get it, journalists don't get it, AAA studio's and publishers don't get it.

Their philosophy is to make a good game that makes a person happy. All other things, are secondary.

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#105 sHaDyCuBe321
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@charizard1605 said:

I just want to point out, this statement only holds true if Nintendo is ignored entirely.

+1

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#106 dakan45
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Honestly i enjoyed most AAA games these days, like say evil within alien isolation, far cry 4, wolfenstein new order, the problem is people expect too much from next gen and 60 bucks, there isnt much new things going on.

So indies get better ratings for being small and interesting, this is how pc gaming had the highest rated exlusives in 2014.

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#107 darkangel115
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@HalcyonScarlet said:

@speedfreak48t5p said:

@HalcyonScarlet said:

Microsoft delivered several fantastic high quality releases last year though.

Yeah, I like FM5 (not into FH). I tried Sunset, and may get it when it's cheaper. I've played the Halo's before. But I just thought this gen would be delivering something more by now.

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@HalcyonScarlet said:

this is a great post^

people act like indies are a new thing. they aren't. They been on PC for a long time, Xbox brought them to consoles with the XBL arcade. There were tons of them last gen and MS had a bunch, but nobody gave 2 flying fucks about it except for a few of them that grew popular like braid or limbo. PS owners were busy with god of war, GT, uncharted, TLOU and xbox owners with halo, gears, forza/PGR, fable etc, and of course the CoD, GTA, Sports crowd on all platforms. The thing is cows now hype these games and use it as an excuse for lack of AAA support. MS hasn't been lighting the world on fire either. we haven't seen this gens UC, gears, halo, mass effect etc yet. It'll come eventually, it always does but we just haven't gotten it. But going around pretending you paid 400-500 dollars on an upgrade day 1 to play games you could have played 20 years ago on a SNES is just a joke. You could play much better "8 bit indie style games" with an emulator on a 15 year old PC running sega genesis, SNES, NES etc. We buy new systems for new experiance and most important bigger and better games. Games that weren't possible 10 years ago. When 99% of your library on your brand new 400 dollar state of the art PS4 can be played on an iphone, it makes your device useless. I have kids and a family and not wasting time with these crap games. And anyone saying they got a PS4 for indies is just kidding themselves. I got my XB1 and PS4 for bigger and better games then my 360 and PS3 could provide me. XB has given a few with sunset, DR3, Ryse (yes i actually liked it), Titanfall (yes its technically on the 360 but runs off XB1 servers) but my PS4 has given me a wad of crap so far, and quite honestly it sucks. The order was a turd, killzone is literally the worst FPS franchise out there, yet we still get sequels for some unknown reason, infamous is a bore, knack is a running joke (which honestly I didn't play so w/e) If you are really a PS4 fan like I am, you'd tell sony to cut the shit and make a good AAA game, not make excuses so they can continue to pile shit down your throat.

Cows are being hypocrites though. I said when the consoles launched that as soon as the PS4 get its good exclusives going, they'll stop giving a **** about multiplats and indies again. They certainly acted like they didn't count last gen.

yup the good old goalpost moving

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#108 delta3074
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@tormentos said:

Ori and the blind Forest .9

Hot line Miami 2 . 9

Olli Olli 2. 8

Hell Divers. 8

Halo Mater chief collection 6

The order 5

This is a big indication on what is happening this gen,smaller budget games in cases with pixelated graphics style beating proven series and new comers with big budgets.

I think this gen some of the best games ever will be indies,and is a shame so many people step on them,out of fanboys...

The message is clear a game doesn't nee to be huge and great looking to be fun.

'This is a big indication on what is happening this gen,smaller budget games in cases with pixelated graphics style beating proven series and new comers with big budgets.'

Spot on eltormento

This is why i game on tablet, there are TONS of those types of games on android, in some ways you could say i am ahead of the Curve when it comes to gaming.

The writing was on the wall last gen, why do you think XBLA games where so popular.

Have you seen Dragons crown on the PS Vita? well worth getting a Vita now.

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#109 nintendoboy16
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@charizard1605: Which, judging by the Wii U's sales and the general public focusing on games that aren't Mario/Zelda/Pokemon and they are CoD/Assassin's Creed/Madden/GTA and the like, they kind of are by comparison.

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#110 Lucianu
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@jg4xchamp said:

@Lucianu said:

Are you assuming that all indie games are small and/or short? Because that's like saying that all shooters are Call of Duty. Time goes on and you die regardless of what you do, my personal advice would be to reach out of your comfy comfort zone and actually try out these games you deem unworthy. You might be surprised how slow time flies wen you experience something unique.

Treat games as equal regardless of their budget, and judge their quality based on your enjoyment. Why is that so hard?

That's the problem. People automatically give indies a negative connotation because the massive amounts of shovelware and short flash-like games skewer perception. There is more to what defines a game than a budget, and indie is not a genre. It's a shit term that should disappear because of its ridiculous miss use.

There is barely any miss use to it.

Independent studio, independent development, smaller team projects, mother fuckers put way too much into separating these shits instead of getting down to the bottom line. A good game is a good game is a good game.

Braid isn't an excellent indie game, it's an excellent game period, one of last generations best. Likewise Ori assuming it lives up to the billing isn't just a sign of things other indie developers could do better, but other triple A developers that make platformers, such as Nintendo.

Ah, you're right. Miss use wasn't the right choice of words.

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#111 xxyetixx
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@tormentos: Dude a great game has always been a great game regardless where it comes from or who makes it. But that doesn't mean I want my gaming console to only live off of indie games. I want my MCC and Halo 5 type games even if they score low on a gaming website.

I'm looking forward a few games right now and they are MK:X, Battlefield hardline, and cuphead. From what I've seen from cuphead it looks pretty much like the most amount of fun but that fun will be short lived then finished that's why there are issues with cool little indie games

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#112 Sylveon128
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Yeah things are changing because AAA game want to follow the causal and trends. I also think they focus on graphic and stories way too much but that is the game reviewers fault and people who keeps buy crap so they could make more crap. The indie companies are listening to the fan by giving as great gameplay like in the old day that made gaming good. Sure kickstarter has it's problem but I think it will get fix the more that people use it and if it was not for them AAA companies will get away with their bad business practice.

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#113 Shibua
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Well it's all the PS4 has for the holidays now that Uncharted 4 ain't coming so Yeah indie are awesome now