I believe Wii will win the hardware sales race this gen and have valid reasons

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#1 Zenfoldor
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There are several reasons I believe this, but first let me say, I won't insult anyones intelligence by mentioned things as trivial as "individual games" in this topic. I won't be so foolish to say something like "The PS3 will win because of MGS 4" or something that infers I have a childish and incomplete understanding of how the market is shifted.

A. The PS3 and the 360 are stepping on each others toes. The PS3 and 360 are in direct competition worldwide. In NA, the 360 is the console of choice(January NPD notwithstanding) statically. In Europe and Japan, it's the PS3. People are choosing PS3 or 360. While I feel it is likely the PS3 will win that war, I do believe that if the 360(or PS3) didn't exist, it's competitive HD console would would be neck and neck with the Wii.

B. The Wii is a second console for many. Many HD console owners also buy a Wii, because it is cheap, has great exclusive games, and delivers great experiences for their families as well as themselves, so they can share gaming.

C. Blue Ocean strategy means the Wii's market segment includes the core gamers, while it also includes many casual gamers. This means the Wii is expanding the home console market. It's advertisement for this? Word of mouth and visualization of "friends" from the packaged game Wii sports. This means that 10 out of 100 people might consider buying a PS3 because it is marketed to them. 100 out of 100 might consider buying a Wii because it is marketed to them.

D. Price-point. Other consoles have had price cuts already. The Wii has not. It can have significant price cuts and still make significant profit. If the Wii was 150 bucks, it would win the console war, period.

E. Game selection. Hardcore Nintendo fans from generations past will certainly buy the Wii, but so will new gamers who have games like Carnivle Games to play on the Wii, where on the PS3 and 360, they have little choices with difficult controlling options.

F. Momentum. The Wii is already statically ahead of the Gamecube in sales. People consider buying the console when they hear about this. It's word of mouth marketing. Your brain thinks, "So many people got one, what do they know that I don't." It's the perception of the device, and finally that leads nicely into:

G. The Japanese market has chosen the Wii as its next gen console. That means, many Japanese developers will create games for the system. In Japan, the Wii is consistantly outselling the PS3 4 to 1, usually about 80,000 units, to 20,000 units, and often even more than that. This means that in Japan, the Wii userbase is already much larger. That means games that only appeal to Japanese gamers, like Monster Hunter 3, will, and have gone Wii exclusive. In the past, the Japanese have always stuck with the console they initially pick as their console of choice for that gen. Japan is a key battle for the PS3, and it is very unlikely the PS3 can ever outsell the Wii there, before the Wii saturation point is reached.

H. This is also due to the Blue Ocean's fondness of the DS, in Japan. New console gamers in Japan, will buy a Wii, because they are new, because of the DS, and are casual gamers, who have a high respect for the Nintendo brand there.

I. Also, the Wii is statically ahead by so much at this point, that even if the Wii sales dropped off by half(which is impossible nearly in a year timespan) it would still be selling more worldwide than both its competitors, and still be even further ahead by 09, at which point, it will be nearly impossible to catch up before the 720 or the Wii2 launches.

J. There is little to no evidence available the Wii will slack off, besides speculation. Demand remains higher than supply, and the Wii is still the top seller in every major region worldwide with no indications of a change, besides broad and hopeful speculations.

Now to debunk some reasons others give for the Wii to drop in sales:

1. Lack of 3rd party games - This reason is only presented by the core audiences. 15 of the top 20 selling games in December for the Wii, were 3rd party. You can confirm this from the recent Iwata interview. Just because you don't like the games in the top 10, doesn't mean Wii owners don't. Remember, this is a diverse userbase. They like Brawl, but they also like Wii-Fit. It is also to note, that the Wii has quite a slew of games available in 08 that are new support from 3rd party companies, due to sales, like Rock Band, Guitar Hero, Call of Duty, Final Fantasy, Alone in the Dark, Tales of Symphonia, Fragile, Facebreakers, Madden, Tiger Woods, and Monster Hunter. I have compiled a list recently and it contains over 61 non shovelware titles, and I can post it if requested.

2. When Game X is released the Wii is finished - Halo 3 nor DMC 4 finished the Wii, or even phased it. Single games have little affect on across platform industry sales that is visible in the short term.

3. When PS60 get price cut, Wii is through - Each system has already had price cuts or SKU changes to lower the price. The Wii has had none. Don't forget the Wii can also benefit from such tactics.

4. Nintendo is abandoning the hardcore, therefore sales of hardcore gamers will die - Nintendo fanboys are hardcore gamers and they will never abandon the Wii, however, Nintendo is putting out more first party core games now, than ever before, 4 to 6 a year for the Wii, plus the casual 1st party games.

5. Nintendo not serious about online, therefore that market will leave them - According to IGN, Japanes Brawl plays lag free. However, Nintendo does not live and die by its online community, particularly when it is a second console for many online gamers.

6. Wii is just a party machine. Sales will decline due to console sharing lowering the saturation point - Software sales say otherwise, when games like NMH, Resident Evil, Zelda, and Brawl perform better than expected. These games are single player, and not relyiant on the "party atmosphere."

7. Wii sells because it is cheap. If the other systems are cheaper, they will sell just as well - This was not the case with the Gamecube, which was cheaper from the start. The Wii sells because of perception.

8. Pachter says the PS3 will win - Patcher is biased, so is Jaffe, they have never predicted anything right that wasn't obvious in the past, nor do they base their guesses off current sales, but predicted trends.

9. Gamecube started out well at first too, therefore, the Wii will die just like it did - The Wii has already outsold the Gamecube worldwide, 6 times faster, outselling the Gamecube 6 to 1. Even if it does "die" historically it's trail off sales would be enough to sustain it for this generation and the next one.

10. Wii is a fad, and will die once people "realize" X about X other console - Not according to the numbers, by definition, the Wii cannot be considered a fad.

11. Lower quality minigames will jade casuals who buy them and give them a bad view of Nintendo - If bad PR ruined a company, Microsoft and Sony would have been out of business a long time ago.

12. PS3 is on a ten year plan - If so, the Playstation brand will be dead in 10 years, when it releases it's playstation 4 against the twilight years of the wildly popular Wii 2s and the Xbox 720s. The PS4 will release a year after Xbox, if it waits that long, it probably won't.

13. Only Nintendo games sell on Nintendo systems, therefore, 3rd parties will leave the system, and it will die - The Wii doesn't need 3rd party games to sell well, we've seen that, but atm, 3rd parties are clammoring to the Wii, not away from it. Particularly, EA, Activision, Atlus, Ubisoft, Namco, Square-Enix, and Capcom.

14. When HD adoption rate goes up, Wii is finished.- By then it will be far to late to make a comeback, but that said, Casuals don't know the Wii isn't in HD, and it supports 420P, which looks leaps and bounds better than SD. Casuals, and new HD-TV owners will buy a Wii as quicly as they will buy a 360. The PS3 will benefit from this due to Blu-Ray, but it won't make one bit of difference in Japan, where the PS3 vs Wii war is most vital, because graphics mean nothing to sales in Japan.

15. What happens when people get bored of Wii Sports? - A. Wii Sports 2 is in development. B. SSB: Brawl and Wii Fit are around the corner. C. See 2008 Wii game list. Sorry for being a snarky, but "points" like this one are silly.

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#2 Erkidu
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Great thread - but put up a flameshield and consider blogging this. :P
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#3 Zenfoldor
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Great thread - but put up a flameshield and consider blogging this. :PErkidu

This thread is made in direct response to another thread on VGChartz about the exact same subject. It's not, nor shall ever be a blog.

Most of the people on this site know me well enough to know that they won't get away with the usual troll flames, and they won't even try. The worst I expect is a PhoebusFlows cherrypick about a line in my OP, but as you have all seen, I can handle PhoebusFlows, and anyone who feels froggy enough to contradict my opinions without any evidence.

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#4 ozmandayus
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I'm a diehard lemming, but I gotta say you make some damn good common sense points. Good thread. And I didn't detect any fanboyism. I may not personally be a fan of the Wii, but I do think that it is here to stay.
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#5 Marth6781
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Time to get ready for denial!
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#6 anasbouzid
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holly ship!! this is Teh Awesomes!!! Hey just for the viewers post that list of nonshovelware please!
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#7 Zenfoldor
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I'm a diehard lemming, but I gotta say you make some damn good common sense points. Good thread. And I didn't detect any fanboyism. I may not personally be a fan of the Wii, but I do think that it is here to stay. ozmandayus

Thank you sir.

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#8 Erkidu
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[QUOTE="Erkidu"]Great thread - but put up a flameshield and consider blogging this. :PZenfoldor

This thread is made in direct response to another thread on VGChartz about the exact same subject. It's not, nor shall ever be a blog.

Most of the people on this site know me well enough to know that they won't get away with the usual troll flames, and they won't even try. The worst I expect is a PhoebusFlows cherrypick about a line in my OP, but as you have all seen, I can handle PhoebusFlows, and anyone who feels froggy enough to contradict my opinions without any evidence.

Why won't it ever be a blog? :| It's a great thread - that should be blogged (so more people can read it).
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#9 Silenthps
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15. What happens when people get bored of Wii Sports? - A. Wii Sports 2 is in development. B. SSB: Brawl and Wii Fit are around the corner. C. See 2008 Wii game list. Sorry for being a snarky, but "points" like this one are silly.

Zenfoldor
Nintendo said that they are not making a Wii Sports 2.
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Great points agree with everything u said, I still think a Wii Lite can be made when HDTV will dominate peoples homes but hey maybe u will be right and the Wii will be to ahead by then for the PS3 or 360 to catch up.
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#11 Zenfoldor
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holly ship!! this is Teh Awesomes!!! Hey just for the viewers post that list of nonshovelware please!anasbouzid

Includes 1st party games, from my Warcraft forums, I can't attest to these games meeting their release dates, but they are seemingly scheduled for 08.

Bully: Scholarship edition

de Blob

Drawn To Life 2

Star Wars: The Force Unleashed
Ghostbusters: The Videogame
Red Steel 2
Rygar: The Battle of Argus

Disaster: Day of Crisis

Okami

King's Story

Harvest Moon Heroes
Prince of Persia

Tales of Symphonia: Dawn of the New World

Dragon Quest Swords: The Masked Queen and the Tower of Mirrors

Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles: Crystal Bearers

Oboro Muramasa Youtouden

Shiren the Wanderer

Monster Hunter 3

Baroque
Opoona
Fragile
Matsuno

Blast Works: Build, Fuse & Destroy

Brothers in Arms: Road to Hill 30

House of the Dead 2 & 3
Castle Shikigami 3
Call of Duty 5

Winning Eleven: Pro Evolution Soccer 2008

We Love Golf!

SEGA Superstar Tennis

Major League Baseball 2K8
Don King Presents: Prizefighter
Top Spin Tennis
Mario Superstar Baseball
Facebreakers

Madden

Tiger Woods

NCAA

Wii Music

Rock Band

Guitar Hero IV
Samba De Amigo
Guitar Hero III: Aerosmith
Band Mashups

Wii Fit

Boom Blox

Endless Ocean
LEGO Indiana Jones
LEGO Batman
Ninja Reflex
Wii Chess

Alone in the Dark

Fatal Frame IV

Obscure: The Aftermath

Super Smash Bros. Brawl

Mario Kart Wii

Worms: A Space Oddity

Animal Crossing

Monster Lab

Project Witches

No More Heroes
Kirby Wii
Spore
Mushroom Men
Deadly Creatures

Death Jr.: Root of Evil

Dr. Mario

FFCC WiiWare

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#12 Zenfoldor
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[QUOTE="Zenfoldor"]

15. What happens when people get bored of Wii Sports? - A. Wii Sports 2 is in development. B. SSB: Brawl and Wii Fit are around the corner. C. See 2008 Wii game list. Sorry for being a snarky, but "points" like this one are silly.

Silenthps

Nintendo said that they are not making a Wii Sports 2.

I was being sarcastic, I had no idea they weren't creating a part 2, but I was trying to answer a dumb question with a dumb answer, as I said in my final sentence.

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#13 Zenfoldor
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Time to get ready for denial!Marth6781

Most good threads die pretty fast, because there aren't any real arguments to contradict them. This forum thrives on drama.

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#14 Erkidu
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[QUOTE="Marth6781"]Time to get ready for denial!Zenfoldor

Most good threads die pretty fast, because there aren't any real arguments to contradict them. This forum thrives on drama.

That's why I suggested that you blog it. That way - you always know where to find it if need be. :)
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#15 Zenfoldor
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[QUOTE="Zenfoldor"]

[QUOTE="Marth6781"]Time to get ready for denial!Erkidu

Most good threads die pretty fast, because there aren't any real arguments to contradict them. This forum thrives on drama.

That's why I suggested that you blog it. That way - you always know where to find it if need be. :)

I'll keep an eye on it, I'll throw it up in on my blog posts, if anyone wants to link it in their sig.

Honestly, everyone on this forums already knows most of this stuff, they just like to pretend it doesn't exist, and hope for some sort of suprise breakout of Console X, like the console wars were a Rocky movie.

The thing was, we already know which systems blew up and which systems floped. From those points, they all convoless towards the center. The astronomical swing that would have to take place for the Wii to end up in 3rd place is stuff of legends, and if it happened, we'd see some happy and shocked people, but no one really expects it too. They just claim they believe it will happen to fool themselves and everyone else. It's called hope, and keeping hope alive is a big part of system wars.

I'm gonna go to work, I'll bump this later tonight, and possibly blog it, again, for sigs, but most of the trolls won't read this much.

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go nintendo go!!!:D

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#17 Silenthps
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Wow, no ones stepping up against him. Guess this proves that logic = fanboy repellant.
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Excellent post. You make really good points that will send any fanboy running home. Nice to see some common sense here on SW. :D
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No one's replied against it. I say we bump it until some one does, and if no one does, we can use it as a sheep sanctuary. :P

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Nice job man it was a good read.
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THIS IS SHEEP!!!
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Mainly here to keep this frontpaged. But I might as well strike up some conversation while I'm here.

The Wii gets a lot of positive hardware related representation on this forum, but a lot of people seem tight lipped about the software line-up. Hardware is impotant yes, yes I know, but that is more of a concern for the men behind the big desks at Nintendo. I know ultimatly it comes down to the fact that increased sales means increased product support, but what about some software for us good little boys and girl who already bought out Wii?

I've already had the entire 08 line up for 360 and PS3 jammed down my gob the the countless (56k death) thread that people put up here, but Wii 08 lineup threads seem to be quite sparse. The general vibe is that the Wii fanatics are sitting around waiting for Brawl and after that........... ?questionmark?

I know better mind you. But still, Wii software really isn't getting equal representation on this forum. But then, who here actually gives a s*** about this forum? Anybody?

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#23 beast667
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bu bu, teh wii is teh suxorz!!1!! am :cry:

good thread zen.

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#24 TacoJelly
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Hey I'll add a point-

Full of Shovelware- Shovelware plagues all consoles, especially the popular ones, and while they might not get much attention on PS2 (king of shovelware), 360, or PS3 they get alot on Wii because of the nature of the machine. Wii doesn't tolerate crap. More than any other system in history, bad games stick out like a sore thumb on Wii. With graphics below the level of the other consoles and controls that, when applied well, offer interesting unique gameplay experiences developers need to step up or be labled "lazy."

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Mainly here to keep this frontpaged. But I might as well strike up some conversation while I'm here.

The Wii gets a lot of positive hardware related representation on this forum, but a lot of people seem tight lipped about the software line-up. Hardware is impotant yes, yes I know, but that is more of a concern for the men behind the big desks at Nintendo. I know ultimatly it comes down to the fact that increased sales means increased product support, but what about some software for us good little boys and girl who already bought out Wii?

I've already had the entire 08 line up for 360 and PS3 jammed down my gob the the countless (56k death) thread that people put up here, but Wii 08 lineup threads seem to be quite sparse. The general vibe is that the Wii fanatics are sitting around waiting for Brawl and after that........... ?questionmark?

I know better mind you. But still, Wii software really isn't getting equal representation on this forum. But then, who here actually gives a s*** about this forum? Anybody?

Private_Vegas

Other than Hardcore gamers, nobody really cares about knowing "lineups" this far away from release. This way, Nintendo can actually make promises it can deliver by waiting to make announcements.

And as I see it, it doesn't really change anything. Yes, I'll lose more arguements with people chanting "MGS4, Fable 2, and LBP" but I don't care. I know there will always be enough games for me to buy/play on Wii at any given time of the year... hell I've already got a growing list of "missed it, check it out when it's $20" games.

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Mainly here to keep this frontpaged. But I might as well strike up some conversation while I'm here.

The Wii gets a lot of positive hardware related representation on this forum, but a lot of people seem tight lipped about the software line-up. Hardware is impotant yes, yes I know, but that is more of a concern for the men behind the big desks at Nintendo. I know ultimatly it comes down to the fact that increased sales means increased product support, but what about some software for us good little boys and girl who already bought out Wii?

I've already had the entire 08 line up for 360 and PS3 jammed down my gob the the countless (56k death) thread that people put up here, but Wii 08 lineup threads seem to be quite sparse. The general vibe is that the Wii fanatics are sitting around waiting for Brawl and after that........... ?questionmark?

I know better mind you. But still, Wii software really isn't getting equal representation on this forum. But then, who here actually gives a s*** about this forum? Anybody?

Private_Vegas
well other than SSBB and MarioKart, wii is pretty much getting a bunch of niche indie style games for 08 that you really have to keep an open mind about. PS3/360 have a bunch of big named high budget titles that people recognize. When people see the wii games they just look at it and go WTF are all these games? and only look for names they recognize like smash bros and mario kart. So I'm guessing sheep just gave up trying to convince them that they have a good 08
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#27 Private_Vegas
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Other than Hardcore gamers, nobody really cares about knowing "lineups" this far away from release. This way, Nintendo can actually make promises it can deliver by waiting to make announcements.

And as I see it, it doesn't really change anything. Yes, I'll lose more arguements with people chanting "MGS4, Fable 2, and LBP" but I don't care. I know there will always be enough games for me to buy/play on Wii at any given time of the year... hell I've already got a growing list of "missed it, check it out when it's $20" games.

TacoJelly

I agree with you there. I've got a nice little list of Wii games to look into in the future.

However I think your definition of a Hardcore Gamer might differ from mine. I enjoy knowing what titles are comming in the later months and even in the later years. I genuinly look forward to those release dates.

However, I'm not too keen on spaming that list on a message board in a flagrant display of "ConsoleX has these games and I like this console, so I'm a better person than you. I win!".....ism. a.k.a Fanboyism. But I do like to know.

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#28 Masterfubu
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[QUOTE="Zenfoldor"]

15. What happens when people get bored of Wii Sports? - A. Wii Sports 2 is in development. B. SSB: Brawl and Wii Fit are around the corner. C. See 2008 Wii game list. Sorry for being a snarky, but "points" like this one are silly.

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Nintendo said that they are not making a Wii Sports 2.

NOOOOO!!!, but good thread, nobody quote that 1st thing though, graet points
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no mention of Wiimote and future big hitters makes this thread less than steller, include them and you sir have the thread of the month.
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#30 Rhubarb9
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the huge fanbase of DS would of course consider the wii too
every win for DS is a win for wii and vice versa
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#31 Ontain
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This is a great post from the TC and it's a pitty that it is passed up by most ppl in favor or common fanboy threads.
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#32 Zenfoldor
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no mention of Wiimote and future big hitters makes this thread less than steller, include them and you sir have the thread of the month.nintendo-4life

I considered "The Wii mote is a gimmick" excuse, but I couldn't relate to it in terms of sales. I have never heard anyone say "The Wii-mote is a gimmick and will eventually cause the Wii to sell less consoles," because gimmick infers that basically, people will buy the product and then become tired of it after the novelty wears off.

Since "wearing off" happens individually, amongst members who have already purchased the console, I can't see how that would affect hardware sales or how anyone could claim that it would, but I guess my explaination as to why I didnt' add it is a perfect reason why it doesn't matter to hardware sales. So, I'll say:

16. The Wii-mote is a gimmick, and once it "wears off" people will stop buying the Wii - Gimmicks require purchase to wear off, but even if they didn't, the Wii doesn't sell on the quality of the Wii-mote, but the perception of utility of the Wii-mote. It is likely the Wii-mote or some form of it will be introduced in the next versions of both Sony and Microsoft's console, and already is, in some form, in the PS3. If the Wii-mote is a gimmick, it is much more likely to help sales of the console over its entire lifespan, just like the touchscreen on the DS. This one is harder because I can't really see the argument against sales, since I fundamentally believe the Wii-mote isn't necessarily the biggest sales driver for the console anyway, I believe at this point, hype and public perception of the console is, and no one is gonna "not buy one" because they percieve the Wii-remote as a gimmick, it's just too cheap and popular to leave on the shelf for most people.

I also want to comment on why there are no big games mentioned. I believe that singluar games post launch do very little to affect the overall console leader. It's often said "it's about the games" which is misinterrupreted to mean, it's about this game of the week, here, or that game of the year there. Even in the 50 percent plus attach rate, your still only seeing temporary hardware boosts until saturation point, and in the future and today, I feel people buy consoles more based on brand, price, and public perception, than single, or even multiple game selection, with few exceptions. Will Brawl, MGS, DQ IX, and FFXIII sell consoles? Sure. Will Japan maintain a hardware boost after DMC 4 is released? No. The audience for any individual game is finite, and the long term affects are unprovable and merely speculation.

Oh yeah, also, bump.

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#33 Zenfoldor
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This is a great post from the TC and it's a pitty that it is passed up by most ppl in favor or common fanboy threads.Ontain

Thanks to you and everyone else who has enjoyed the post.

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#34 --ProtoMan--
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[QUOTE="Private_Vegas"]

Mainly here to keep this frontpaged. But I might as well strike up some conversation while I'm here.

The Wii gets a lot of positive hardware related representation on this forum, but a lot of people seem tight lipped about the software line-up. Hardware is impotant yes, yes I know, but that is more of a concern for the men behind the big desks at Nintendo. I know ultimatly it comes down to the fact that increased sales means increased product support, but what about some software for us good little boys and girl who already bought out Wii?

I've already had the entire 08 line up for 360 and PS3 jammed down my gob the the countless (56k death) thread that people put up here, but Wii 08 lineup threads seem to be quite sparse. The general vibe is that the Wii fanatics are sitting around waiting for Brawl and after that........... ?questionmark?

I know better mind you. But still, Wii software really isn't getting equal representation on this forum. But then, who here actually gives a s*** about this forum? Anybody?

Silenthps

well other than SSBB and MarioKart, wii is pretty much getting a bunch of niche indie style games for 08 that you really have to keep an open mind about. PS3/360 have a bunch of big named high budget titles that people recognize. When people see the wii games they just look at it and go WTF are all these games? and only look for names they recognize like smash bros and mario kart. So I'm guessing sheep just gave up trying to convince them that they have a good 08

Pretty much.

The whole "Wii has no good games past Brawl" argument is just part of a big batch of SW hypocrisy. All the haters here say, "Nintendo franchises are just rehashes, and there are no good third-party games coming out for Wii."

And then somebody lists games like Oboro Murasama Youtoden and King Story (third-party AND new IP's, and the response is always "Those aren't proven franchises. They will probably suck."

I also find it hard to believe that Wii sales will suddenly drop off, like so many claim.

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#35 Quofan
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Still no pointless one sentence replies from anti-Wii fanboys. Expect them any moment. If not, the thread will just die.

If SW agreed on something collectively, it would just implode completely. Gamespot would freeze and access to the forums would be gonbe forever. But the page would still be there - the url would just have vanished.

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The amount of third party was questioned back in the Gamecube era. The quality of that support is what's questioned with the Wii.

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The amount of third party was questioned back in the Gamecube era. The quality of that support is what's questioned with the Wii.

-The-G-Man-

very true. while there are some nice third party games for the wii, most of them suck.

but you have to remember that its currently a lose-lose situation for Nintendo. when they had their "seal of quality", they limited the number of 3rd party games, devs slowly stopped making games for them, and then people were complaining that nintendo didnt have enough 3rd party support.

now that nintendo has lifted their "seal of quality", people are complaining that nintendo will release any game , bad or not, on the Wii.

i guess some people will just never be happy with nintendo

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[QUOTE="-The-G-Man-"]

The amount of third party was questioned back in the Gamecube era. The quality of that support is what's questioned with the Wii.

ogvampire

very true. while there are some nice third party games for the wii, most of them suck.

but you have to remember that its currently a lose-lose situation for Nintendo. when they had their "seal of quality", they limited the number of 3rd party games, devs slowly stopped making games for them, and then people were complaining that nintendo didnt have enough 3rd party support.

now that nintendo has lifted their "seal of quality", people are complaining that nintendo will release any game , bad or not, on the Wii.

i guess some people will just never be happy with nintendo

I'd rather have a smaller amount of third-party games of higher quality, but that's just me, taking into consideration that I don't buy too many new games in a year.

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Wow :o

Amazing thread Zen!

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[QUOTE="ogvampire"][QUOTE="-The-G-Man-"]

The amount of third party was questioned back in the Gamecube era. The quality of that support is what's questioned with the Wii.

-The-G-Man-

very true. while there are some nice third party games for the wii, most of them suck.

but you have to remember that its currently a lose-lose situation for Nintendo. when they had their "seal of quality", they limited the number of 3rd party games, devs slowly stopped making games for them, and then people were complaining that nintendo didnt have enough 3rd party support.

now that nintendo has lifted their "seal of quality", people are complaining that nintendo will release any game , bad or not, on the Wii.

i guess some people will just never be happy with nintendo

I'd rather have a smaller amount of third-party games of higher quality, but that's just me, taking into consideration that I don't buy too many new games in a year.

This strategy didn't seem to hurt the PS or the PS2. I don't understand why it would be different with the Wii.

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[QUOTE="-The-G-Man-"][QUOTE="ogvampire"][QUOTE="-The-G-Man-"]

The amount of third party was questioned back in the Gamecube era. The quality of that support is what's questioned with the Wii.

Zhengi

very true. while there are some nice third party games for the wii, most of them suck.

but you have to remember that its currently a lose-lose situation for Nintendo. when they had their "seal of quality", they limited the number of 3rd party games, devs slowly stopped making games for them, and then people were complaining that nintendo didnt have enough 3rd party support.

now that nintendo has lifted their "seal of quality", people are complaining that nintendo will release any game , bad or not, on the Wii.

i guess some people will just never be happy with nintendo

I'd rather have a smaller amount of third-party games of higher quality, but that's just me, taking into consideration that I don't buy too many new games in a year.

This strategy didn't seem to hurt the PS or the PS2. I don't understand why it would be different with the Wii.

thats what happened with the n64 and GC, but people were complaining that there weren't enough 3rd party games. you have just proven my point on the earlier post

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As always Zen's threads never disapoint :D
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As always Zen's threads never disapoint :D Popadophalis

Heh, a lot of the anti-Wii arguments used in the OP were from a game called Wii-Bingo, where someone has taken all of the Anti-Wii hating trolls from around the internet and arranged them in a Bingo type setting, allowing Wii-Fans to entertain themselves while Wii-Haters troll their thread. It's actually quite an interesting link, here I'll post it.

I give all the credit in this post, not to my intelligence, which is questionable, but to my ability to arrange things so they are neat, and easy to understand. Like I said, we all really knew this stuff to begin with, we just don't think about it all at once, and come to the same realizations.

http://malstrom.50webs.com/bingo.htm

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[Fanboy]When MwRT4, ITpO7 and MoDaTW17 come out, the Wii will go down!!!!![/Fanboy]

Great thread.

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[QUOTE="Popadophalis"]As always Zen's threads never disapoint :D Zenfoldor

Heh, a lot of the anti-Wii arguments used in the OP were from a game called Wii-Bingo, where someone has taken all of the Anti-Wii hating trolls from around the internet and arranged them in a Bingo type setting, allowing Wii-Fans to entertain themselves while Wii-Haters troll their thread. It's actually quite an interesting link, here I'll post it.

I give all the credit in this post, not to my intelligence, which is questionable, but to my ability to arrange things so they are neat, and easy to understand. Like I said, we all really knew this stuff to begin with, we just don't think about it all at once, and come to the same realizations.

http://malstrom.50webs.com/bingo.htm

Wii Bingo... extremely clever, extremely true. I've heard every single one of those arguments, multiple times.

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[QUOTE="Popadophalis"]As always Zen's threads never disapoint :D Zenfoldor

Heh, a lot of the anti-Wii arguments used in the OP were from a game called Wii-Bingo, where someone has taken all of the Anti-Wii hating trolls from around the internet and arranged them in a Bingo type setting, allowing Wii-Fans to entertain themselves while Wii-Haters troll their thread. It's actually quite an interesting link, here I'll post it.

I give all the credit in this post, not to my intelligence, which is questionable, but to my ability to arrange things so they are neat, and easy to understand. Like I said, we all really knew this stuff to begin with, we just don't think about it all at once, and come to the same realizations.

http://malstrom.50webs.com/bingo.htm

:lol: I checked the link and that thing was damn cool. Seeing all the arguments lined up that really surprised me because I've heard every one of them.

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#47 67gt500
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Wow, no ones stepping up against him. Guess this proves that logic = fanboy repellant. Silenthps

That's the funny thing about The Truth... it is incontrovertable...

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I need to see the damage control of the stupid fanboys. Where are they?
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#49 Zenfoldor
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I need to see the damage control of the stupid fanboys. Where are they? lordlors

Yeah I know. I should edit the OP to say "Wii salz mak me lolz a@ PS360zors!" and I'll score a 10 pager.

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#50 lordlors
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[QUOTE="lordlors"]I need to see the damage control of the stupid fanboys. Where are they? Zenfoldor

Yeah I know. I should edit the OP to say "Wii salz mak me lolz a@ PS360zors!" and I'll score a 10 pager.

No. Make it "PS3 and X360 sucks" and many will enter the thread. Then explain in the first paragraph that it wasn't yourtrue intention and that it was just to make the fanboys read the thread and have damage control.