I don't know why people think Digital Distribution is the future...

[QUOTE="nmaharg"]I find it funny people say they hate DD, yet they most likely have itunes installed with a bunch of MP3s on there PC/Iphone/Ipod/zune/psp do I need to go on. Steam is slowly becoming the itunes of gaming. Itunes sells more music through DD than all retail stores combined. "But, but DD is the fail...." Bluray001

[QUOTE="Bluray001"][QUOTE="nmaharg"] Not true. I use verizon fios and there is no cap. Time warner tried to apply a cap to there cable internet not too long ago and got shot down. 07pops07

[QUOTE="nmaharg"]I find it funny people say they hate DD, yet they most likely have itunes installed with a bunch of MP3s on there PC/Iphone/Ipod/zune/psp do I need to go on. Steam is slowly becoming the itunes of gaming. Itunes sells more music through DD than all retail stores combined. "But, but DD is the fail...." campzor

[QUOTE="nmaharg"]I find it funny people say they hate DD, yet they most likely have itunes installed with a bunch of MP3s on there PC/Iphone/Ipod/zune/psp do I need to go on. Steam is slowly becoming the itunes of gaming. Itunes sells more music through DD than all retail stores combined. "But, but DD is the fail...." Bluray001

[QUOTE="Bluray001"][QUOTE="nmaharg"]I find it funny people say they hate DD, yet they most likely have itunes installed with a bunch of MP3s on there PC/Iphone/Ipod/zune/psp do I need to go on. Steam is slowly becoming the itunes of gaming. Itunes sells more music through DD than all retail stores combined. "But, but DD is the fail...." UnnDunn

[QUOTE="Bluray001"][QUOTE="nmaharg"]I find it funny people say they hate DD, yet they most likely have itunes installed with a bunch of MP3s on there PC/Iphone/Ipod/zune/psp do I need to go on. Steam is slowly becoming the itunes of gaming. Itunes sells more music through DD than all retail stores combined. "But, but DD is the fail...." blue_hazy_basic

[QUOTE="07pops07"]

[QUOTE="Bluray001"] Verizion FIOS is a very niche market right now. They can't afford to use bandwidth caps. When FIOS becomes mainstream, just like cable has right now, they will use Bandwidth caps, just like Cable does right now.Bluray001

It's been around forever, and it's still a niche market. Not only in terms of sales has it been surpassed by Blu-Ray, but even the now discontinued HD-DVD outsold Digital Distribution. In terms of movies, it's also highly inconvienent unlike music or picture digital distribution.

Not to mention the new internet bandwidth caps that ISPs are now adopting in order to keep download speeds consistant for all users.

Bluray001

[QUOTE="07pops07"]

[QUOTE="Bluray001"] Verizion FIOS is a very niche market right now. They can't afford to use bandwidth caps. When FIOS becomes mainstream, just like cable has right now, they will use Bandwidth caps, just like Cable does right now.Bluray001

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="Bluray001"] Downloading music is convienent. It takes seconds. Unlike games which takes hours.... and TrueHD movies, which take a day or two. Bluray001

[QUOTE="nmaharg"]I find it funny people say they hate DD, yet they most likely have itunes installed with a bunch of MP3s on there PC/Iphone/Ipod/zune/psp do I need to go on. Steam is slowly becoming the itunes of gaming. Itunes sells more music through DD than all retail stores combined. "But, but DD is the fail...." Bluray001

[QUOTE="Bluray001"][QUOTE="07pops07"] link?

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="Bluray001"] Downloading music is convienent. It takes seconds. Unlike games which takes hours.... and TrueHD movies, which take a day or two. Bluray001

The fact is, the technology to provide instant 1080p movie watching via background download over a relatively average internet connection is available right now.

DD f0r 1080p movies and large games will be a problem as someone else said because of Bandwidth.

In Ontario, Canada I believe my cap is 60GB a month, but with my former provider my cap was 30GB. (for hi-speed not the 100+ a month Super Mega Ultra Speed)

The 1080p download thing XBOX360 is getting (or you fancy Americans with your Netflix) would not be practical for me. Maybe streaming a movie once or twice a month, but I would have to assume that it will take up a lot of bandwidth. That's the kicker too, the cable company that limits my internet bandwidth sells me the same HD Movie product on their HD Digital Boxes and it doesn't take up any bandwidth for me. They are creating their own monopoly on Movie distribution.

The cable companies that are introducing/trying to introduce downloading caps are the same companies that are scrambling to offer widescale video on demand, which is a form of DD.

Also, most of this thread is a very US centric point of view, and the US is essentially an internet and telecom backwater.

[QUOTE="nmaharg"]

[QUOTE="Bluray001"] Here you go http://www.tomshardware.com/news/internet-bandwidth-caps-time-warner,7696.html" title="http://www.tomshardware.com/news/internet-bandwidth-caps-time-warner,7696.html">American Cable Association says Bandwidth caps are a necessity and are the future of quality internet serviceBluray001

[QUOTE="nmaharg"]I find it funny people say they hate DD, yet they most likely have itunes installed with a bunch of MP3s on there PC/Iphone/Ipod/zune/psp do I need to go on. Steam is slowly becoming the itunes of gaming. Itunes sells more music through DD than all retail stores combined. "But, but DD is the fail...." campzor

DD f0r 1080p movies and large games will be a problem as someone else said because of Bandwidth.

In Ontario, Canada I believe my cap is 60GB a month, but with my former provider my cap was 30GB. (for hi-speed not the 100+ a month Super Mega Ultra Speed)

The 1080p download thing XBOX360 is getting (or you fancy Americans with your Netflix) would not be practical for me. Maybe streaming a movie once or twice a month, but I would have to assume that it will take up a lot of bandwidth. That's the kicker too, the cable company that limits my internet bandwidth sells me the same HD Movie product on their HD Digital Boxes and it doesn't take up any bandwidth for me. They are creating their own monopoly on Movie distribution.

When it comes to buying games, I want to be able to hold it in my hands. I won't have it any other way.

The cable companies that are introducing/trying to introduce downloading caps are the same companies that are scrambling to offer widescale video on demand, which is a form of DD.

Also, most of this thread is a very US centric point of view, and the US is essentially an internet and telecom backwater.

SUD123456

[QUOTE="Bluray001"][QUOTE="nmaharg"] Now show it to me in use. That means nothing, it's a article written by the people who would profit from the idea. Of course they are going to say its necessary.

DD is a scam, its just taking away your power-Pred-Alien-

The funny thing is in this true HD movie thing to me. Do you really think, most people can't watch a movie unless they know it's true HD? Dude, go outside, talk to other human beings. The majority don't care about these technicalities. If the picture looks good, that's all they care about.cainetao11

[QUOTE="Bluray001"][QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"] I'm guessing you have a very very slow connection ...blue_hazy_basic

[QUOTE="Bluray001"][QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"] I'm guessing you have a very very slow connection ...UnnDunn

The fact is, the technology to provide instant 1080p movie watching via background download over a relatively average internet connection is available right now.

[QUOTE="SUD123456"]

The cable companies that are introducing/trying to introduce downloading caps are the same companies that are scrambling to offer widescale video on demand, which is a form of DD.

Also, most of this thread is a very US centric point of view, and the US is essentially an internet and telecom backwater.

nmaharg

In America, Verizon is in the process of converting its entire copper phone network to fiber, including building out FTTP service. It calls its FTTP service "FiOS". But its network only covers the eastern seaboard, parts of the Deep South and the pacific northwest. Most of the rest of the country is served by AT&T (nee, SBC), and they are not deploying FTTP. Instead, they are deploying Fiber to the Neighborhood (FTTN) whereby they run fiber to a distribution box at the end of the street, then use standard copper lines from the distribution box to all the houses on that street. It's not as good as FTTP, but then it's a lot cheaper.

DD f0r 1080p movies and large games will be a problem as someone else said because of Bandwidth.

In Ontario, Canada I believe my cap is 60GB a month, but with my former provider my cap was 30GB. (for hi-speed not the 100+ a month Super Mega Ultra Speed)

The 1080p download thing XBOX360 is getting (or you fancy Americans with your Netflix) would not be practical for me. Maybe streaming a movie once or twice a month, but I would have to assume that it will take up a lot of bandwidth. That's the kicker too, the cable company that limits my internet bandwidth sells me the same HD Movie product on their HD Digital Boxes and it doesn't take up any bandwidth for me. They are creating their own monopoly on Movie distribution.

DD f0r 1080p movies and large games will be a problem as someone else said because of Bandwidth.

In Ontario, Canada I believe my cap is 60GB a month, but with my former provider my cap was 30GB. (for hi-speed not the 100+ a month Super Mega Ultra Speed)

The 1080p download thing XBOX360 is getting (or you fancy Americans with your Netflix) would not be practical for me. Maybe streaming a movie once or twice a month, but I would have to assume that it will take up a lot of bandwidth. That's the kicker too, the cable company that limits my internet bandwidth sells me the same HD Movie product on their HD Digital Boxes and it doesn't take up any bandwidth for me. They are creating their own monopoly on Movie distribution.

[QUOTE="UnnDunn"]

[QUOTE="Bluray001"] Here you go Time WarnerCharter CommunicationsComcast CommunciationsRogers CableBluray001

This is the problem....it will eventually be solved by a different pricing model, not caps. BTW it is from your AT&T article.

In fact, almost 50 percent of total bandwidth is used by just five percent of customers - customers, for example, who are uploading and downloading the equivalent of more than 40,000 YouTube videos or 40 million e-mails a month. This kind of heavy usage has an impact on all of our customers.

[QUOTE="mistablair"][QUOTE="Bluray001"] Heh, you use Rogers Cable, don't you? I upgraded to the 95GB plan. Last month I came within 500 megs of hitting the cap. :(Bluray001

[QUOTE="UnnDunn"]

[QUOTE="Bluray001"] Here you go Time WarnerCharter CommunicationsComcast CommunciationsRogers CableBluray001

[QUOTE="cainetao11"]The funny thing is in this true HD movie thing to me. Do you really think, most people can't watch a movie unless they know it's true HD? Dude, go outside, talk to other human beings. The majority don't care about these technicalities. If the picture looks good, that's all they care about.blue_hazy_basic

[QUOTE="Bluray001"][QUOTE="UnnDunn"]You keep linking to cable companies. You will notice that no DSL or Fiber providers in the US are implementing bandwidth caps. They implement bandwidth caps in Canada, the UK and Australia because they have different business models over in those countries.

This is the problem....it will eventually be solved by a different pricing model, not caps. BTW it is from your AT&T article.

In fact, almost 50 percent of total bandwidth is used by just five percent of customers - customers, for example, who are uploading and downloading the equivalent of more than 40,000 YouTube videos or 40 million e-mails a month. This kind of heavy usage has an impact on all of our customers.

[QUOTE="Bluray001"][QUOTE="UnnDunn"]You keep linking to cable companies. You will notice that no DSL or Fiber providers in the US are implementing bandwidth caps. They implement bandwidth caps in Canada, the UK and Australia because they have different business models over in those countries.

[QUOTE="UnnDunn"]

[QUOTE="Bluray001"] DSL companies using bandwidth caps. AT&TBell Sympatico It will be the same with FIOS in the future. Bandwidth caps are necessary in order for everyone to have consistent, fast , service.Bluray001

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="cainetao11"]The funny thing is in this true HD movie thing to me. Do you really think, most people can't watch a movie unless they know it's true HD? Dude, go outside, talk to other human beings. The majority don't care about these technicalities. If the picture looks good, that's all they care about.cainetao11

In any case, if you ever visit Hulu, or YouTube, or download a song or movie from iTunes, or watch a movie on a digital TV service, or visit GameSpot, or send or receive email, you're participating in digital distribution. If digital distribution were not the future, we wouldn't even be in this forum. The convenience factor will ensure it. Nobody actually wants to buy physical media to experience the content we want; we do it because historically it was the only way to do it. You are perfectly OK with TiVo-ing a movie on HBO (or whatever equivalent you've got up in Canuckistan), even though it suffers from the same perceived disadvantages you associate with digital distribution: inability to share the content with others, bandwidth caps (try TiVo-ing three movies at once... can't do it,) and inability to backup your media. How is that any different from internet-based distribution?

When you can down load 20 GB in 30 seconds maybe then it will take off. Still gonna be alot of people like me that like hard copies.

There should be 1 universal service that distributes all digital content and will never shut down. That's mainly why I don't care for digital down loading.

I also think if you own a copy of something and they come out with a new copy of the same game for a future system... You should be able to upgrade your copy for a very small fee... Instead of spending the same amount as you did before. Yet still have access to older and future content.

I find it funny people say they hate DD, yet they most likely have itunes installed with a bunch of MP3s on there PC/Iphone/Ipod/zune/psp do I need to go on. Steam is slowly becoming the itunes of gaming. Itunes sells more music through DD than all retail stores combined. "But, but DD is the fail...." nmaharg

[QUOTE="nmaharg"]I find it funny people say they hate DD, yet they most likely have itunes installed with a bunch of MP3s on there PC/Iphone/Ipod/zune/psp do I need to go on. Steam is slowly becoming the itunes of gaming. Itunes sells more music through DD than all retail stores combined. "But, but DD is the fail...." umcommon

It's been around forever, and it's still a niche market. Not only in terms of sales has it been surpassed by Blu-Ray, but even the now discontinued HD-DVD outsold Digital Distribution. In terms of movies, it's also highly inconvienent unlike music or picture digital distribution.

Not to mention the new internet bandwidth caps that ISPs are now adopting in order to keep download speeds consistant for all users.

Bluray001

[QUOTE="MightyMuna"]I will forever be against DD. people who support it do not know what lies for them in the future. Jaysonguy

Lower prices for games and the ability never to lose your game, movie, application due to wear, accident, or act of God?

Yeah that's horrible

it hasnt been around foreever....nor is it a niche market.

and im not exacly clear on how Blue-ray on HD-DVD is outselling Digital Distrobution. Consoles dont even offer DD for full games...so your comparison is not only completly irrelevent but entirely made up.

cobrax75

I buy most of my PC games through DD. It's easy, convenient and just that much better IMO.

I will forever be against DD. people who support it do not know what lies for them in the future. MightyMuna