I don't understand how CoD is still so appealing.

Look at the average CoD player and you'll have your answer.

N30F3N1X

I don't see what's wrong with COD success, they are simply giving a product which most people are demanding and making bank on it. What's wrong with that? We would all be doing the same thing if we were in their position, I know I would.

It's supply and demand, perhaps the reasn why Halo 4 is becoming more like COD is because that's what the Halo fans are demanding. A good amount of Halo players jump ship to the new COD when it comes out, why not try and stop that with Halo 4?

It's all good business sense.

ShadowMoses900

The issue with CoD's success, as I've said before, is the fact that it is rubbing off on a lot of mainstream games. I can tell you that the Halo community does NOT want killstreaks and perks, if they wanted that, they would go play the games that had that.

If you just "borrow" some elements from another game you coudl still end up completely ruining the core mechanics that the series was made popular for. That's exactly what so many games this gen have done. They have borrowed mechanics that ended up ruining the core mechanics. That's the real problem.

The Halo community still thrives regardless of CoD. They aren't mutually exclusive either, there is a lot of overlap. People don't just quit one game and go to another, they often own both. For instance I own both BF3 and MW3, but I play BF3 far more than MW3.

You know what other game tried to borrow stuff from CoD? Red Orchestra 2. All they ended up doing is ruining their game mecahnics, pissing off their fanbase, and still not appealing to a new fanbase. The game is dead because of their design decisions. Their original fanbase just went back to playing the old game because the new one had nothing that made RO1 good in it. New players didn't get into it because there were other games on the market (CoD) that did the gameplay far better and far more like how they were used to.

It's not always good business sense to just copy CoD. The industry demands more vareity than publishers think. We don't need every game to follow in CoD's footsteps. As I said before, 30 million copies of CoD sold to 120 million PS3/360s sold. There are large chunks of gamers who do not want CoD. They want other games.

"COD is too easy, anyone can play it, anyone can have a good game"--LOL some folks have never played COD Started with MW1.

Because it's a noob-friendly game with a very low skill ceiling.

Because it's a mindless shooter that takes no skill. And thus the filthy casuals eat it up.

Stringerboy

"COD is too easy, anyone can play it, anyone can have a good game"--LOL some folks have never played COD Started with MW1.

[QUOTE="Stringerboy"]

Because it's a mindless shooter that takes no skill. And thus the filthy casuals eat it up.

p4s2p0

Quake 3

You with a rocket launcher vs. a seasoned vet with a chain gun. You would lose.

Modern miltiary shooters like BF3 and CoD have extremely low TTK. It isn't about who's "better" as much as it is about who's got more guys on their side shooting at the target or who gets the drop on the other player. It's an entirely different style of gameplay. However with CoD, the lingering arena shooter gameplay is still there. Levels are really flat and full of chokepoints, and you're never meant to go more than 2v2. It's all about who sees who first and can get the shot off.

Rare does actual shooting skill come into play. It's more about how well you know the map and if you understand how to move around and make yourself a difficult target.

[QUOTE="cdragon_88"]

"COD is too easy, anyone can play it, anyone can have a good game"--LOL some folks have never played COD Started with MW1.Jebus213

Guess you forgot that you've been playing since COD 1. And no COD 4 was not my first shooter. My first shooter that I played extensively was Ghost Recon--the first one back on the PC in 2002.

[QUOTE="p4s2p0"][QUOTE="Stringerboy"]

Because it's a mindless shooter that takes no skill. And thus the filthy casuals eat it up.

Wasdie

Quake 3

You with a rocket launcher vs. a seasoned vet with a chain gun. You would lose.

Modern miltiary shooters like BF3 and CoD have extremely low TTK. It isn't about who's "better" as much as it is about who's got more guys on their side shooting at the target or who gets the drop on the other player. It's an entirely different style of gameplay. However with CoD, the lingering arena shooter gameplay is still there. Levels are really flat and full of chokepoints, and you're never meant to go more than 2v2. It's all about who sees who first and can get the shot off.

Rare does actual shooting skill come into play. It's more about how well you know the map and if you understand how to move around and make yourself a difficult target.

[QUOTE="Jebus213"][QUOTE="cdragon_88"]

"COD is too easy, anyone can play it, anyone can have a good game"--LOL some folks have never played COD Started with MW1.cdragon_88

Guess you forgot that you've been playing since COD 1. And no COD 4 was not my first shooter. My first shooter that I played extensively was Ghost Recon--the first one back on the PC in 2002.

"COD is too easy, anyone can play it, anyone can have a good game"--LOL some folks have never played COD--but fact is, I've grown tired of COD since MW2. Started with MW1. Two games was enough--however I have purchased every COD to MW3--whether it for friends or for my little brother. I seldomly play it. Its not a bad game, folks just love hatin' on it. Blaming COD for your devs failures is like blaming anyone else's success for your failures: its ****in' retarded.

cdragon_88

MW3 is a major break point in many CoD fans. They realize that after 2 games, it's all just the same.

Though Black Ops 2 will hopefully be different.

All I see are gamers young to old who enjoy shooters. Some good people and some annoying like any game. Anything else would be like racial profiling/discrimination.p4s2p0

Sorry, truth matters more than political correctness. Your point is meaningless.

You're overthinking it.

Most of the people who buy COD hardly game at all. It's like angry birds. Just something to keep you occupied for 10 minutes.

Marketing.

CoD is a simple pick up and play shooter that appeals to the lowest common denominator.Anyone can hop in and feel like a pro with the perks and killstreaks.This in itself isnt a bad thing ...however, it's kinda causing the game industry to head in a bad direction,Developers want the same amount of money and playerbase as Activision,so they end up "selling out" to try and appeal to CoD's fanbase.

[QUOTE="cdragon_88"]

[QUOTE="Jebus213"] Was it also your first shooter ever? CoD isn't a hard game. I went 40-2 in Black Ops only after about an hour of playing the game... I've been playing since CoD1. The last CoD that took any amount skill was CoD2. That's if you where playing on a rifles only server.

Jebus213

Guess you forgot that you've been playing since COD 1. And no COD 4 was not my first shooter. My first shooter that I played extensively was Ghost Recon--the first one back on the PC in 2002.

LOL. Wow. Tell that to those 2-14 folks each game. What happened to "no skills required"? Seriously, just because you guys don't like COD doesn't mean that it requires no skills. I forget what that word is to describe folks who only see one side of a picture and refuse to see the whole side. Yea I get it, you don't like COD--doesn't mean you got to trash it and claim it "requires no skills."

You constantly get rewarded and level up, you constantly get rewarded new guns, perks, equipment, and complete challenges. MW3 added Survival Spec Ops, around 17 new multiplayer maps, new campaign, new Spec Ops missions, new killstreaks, guns, perks, specialist pack, etc. Try harder troll. MW3 added more new things than 95% of other games.

[QUOTE="cdragon_88"]

[QUOTE="Jebus213"] Was it also your first shooter ever? CoD isn't a hard game. I went 40-2 in Black Ops only after about an hour of playing the game... I've been playing since CoD1. The last CoD that took any amount skill was CoD2. That's if you where playing on a rifles only server.

Jebus213

Guess you forgot that you've been playing since COD 1. And no COD 4 was not my first shooter. My first shooter that I played extensively was Ghost Recon--the first one back on the PC in 2002.

You've got to be a complete idiot to think CoD requires no skill...

[QUOTE="cdragon_88"]

"COD is too easy, anyone can play it, anyone can have a good game"--LOL some folks have never played COD--but fact is, I've grown tired of COD since MW2. Started with MW1. Two games was enough--however I have purchased every COD to MW3--whether it for friends or for my little brother. I seldomly play it. Its not a bad game, folks just love hatin' on it. Blaming COD for your devs failures is like blaming anyone else's success for your failures: its ****in' retarded.

parkurtommo

Maybe it should occur to you guys that you guys are actually good at the game? LOL. Just because AP can run a 4.4, let alone a 4.3, 40 easily doesn't mean the rest of us can. BTW I did pwn everyone in MW2 as well. Again, some folks no matter their rank, they just suck. I've seen double, triple prestiege guys at the bottom of the list while I'm still working on my first and I'm the guy carrying the team. I also have to disgree with you and the weapons/overpowering argument--though this is a different argument. I still remember folks b****ing about the 1887 shotties. I never had a problem with it because I never allowed myself to run like a maniac when I see those shotties around. I keep my distance and pick them off from a distance--OMG TEH Skillzzz. But if you really did play Mw2 as you claimed and as good as you say you are, then you would know that it is true that some folks with crazy prestiges get pwn by you. It does requires skills whether folks want to admit it or not.

[QUOTE="cdragon_88"]

"COD is too easy, anyone can play it, anyone can have a good game"--LOL some folks have never played COD--but fact is, I've grown tired of COD since MW2. Started with MW1. Two games was enough--however I have purchased every COD to MW3--whether it for friends or for my little brother. I seldomly play it. Its not a bad game, folks just love hatin' on it. Blaming COD for your devs failures is like blaming anyone else's success for your failures: its ****in' retarded.

parkurtommo

PP90 is better than MP7 and is unlocked at level 28, UMP is unlocked at the first level and is a great gun. And you can unlcok MP7 with aprestige token if you think its so good.

CoD is poopy poopy poo poo.

[QUOTE="parkurtommo"][QUOTE="cdragon_88"]

"COD is too easy, anyone can play it, anyone can have a good game"--LOL some folks have never played COD--but fact is, I've grown tired of COD since MW2. Started with MW1. Two games was enough--however I have purchased every COD to MW3--whether it for friends or for my little brother. I seldomly play it. Its not a bad game, folks just love hatin' on it. Blaming COD for your devs failures is like blaming anyone else's success for your failures: its ****in' retarded.

StealthMonkey4

PP90 is better than MP7 and is unlocked at level 28, UMP is unlocked at the first level and is a great gun. And you can unlcok MP7 with aprestige token if you think its so good.

They're fun and accessible.

[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

[QUOTE="parkurtommo"] CoD is too easy, MW2 was the first shooter I had ever played (before that I only played nintendo games lol no shooters) and after a month or so I was almost always in the top 3, I also noticed in MW3 (no I did not buy it, I borrowed it from a friend to hurt Activision :x) the MP7 is imo the best weapon and yet only people at high levels can use it, that my friend is lack of balance.parkurtommo

PP90 is better than MP7 and is unlocked at level 28, UMP is unlocked at the first level and is a great gun. And you can unlcok MP7 with aprestige token if you think its so good.

PP90 has a much higher fire rate (1000+ compared to 895), and rapid fire increases PP90s fire rate by 25% rather than only 11% like with MP7. The range on MP7 is only slgihtly better than UMP and PP90. PP90 is a much better weapon than PP90 since most encounters are up close, and reaching first prestige only takes like a day or so. If you think MW3 is so easy, you should have no problem winning with UMP or PP90, I can use the MP5, the worst SMG by far, and still dominate...

They're highly marketed and accessible.

Michael0134567

[QUOTE="Jebus213"][QUOTE="cdragon_88"]

Guess you forgot that you've been playing since COD 1. And no COD 4 was not my first shooter. My first shooter that I played extensively was Ghost Recon--the first one back on the PC in 2002.

StealthMonkey4

You've got to be a complete idiot to think CoD requires no skill...

Just because someone becomes skilled at CoD doesnt mean the game requires skill.A person could kick all their friends asses during a drunk get-together of bowling in Wii sports resort...does that mean Wii Sports resort requires skill in order to play?

The recent Call of Duty games are made with accessibility and casual gamers in mind.Anyone can jump in and feel like a elegant marksman...I myself am actually fairly mediocre when it comes to competitive online shooters yet,the 1 or 2 times I played MW2,I was able get tons of kills in.

Simple and easy isnt always a bad thing, I enjoy the Assassin's Creed games but i'm not about to try and convince people that it requires the same strategy and skill as the Hitman series.

[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

[QUOTE="Jebus213"] and you think CoD requires skill? :lol:Kandlegoat

You've got to be a complete idiot to think CoD requires no skill...

Just because someone becomes skilled at CoD doesnt mean the game requires skill.A person could kick all their friends asses during a drunk get-together of bowling in Wii sports resort...does that mean Wii Sports resort requires skill in order to play?

The recent Call of Duty games are made with accessibility and casual gamers in mind.Anyone can jump in and feel like a elegant marksman...I myself am actually fairly mediocre when it comes to competitive online shooters yet,the 1 or 2 times I played MW2,I was able get tons of kills in.

Simple and easy isnt always a bad thing, I enjoy the Assassin's Creed games but i'm not about to try and convince people that it requires the same strategy and skill as the Hitman series.

All games are different and the skills required are different. CoD is more about tactics, knowing your way around the map, and fast reflexes than it is about aim. Some people are good at CoD, others are awful. CoD requires just as much skill as Battlefield or any other shooter out there.

[QUOTE="parkurtommo"][QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

PP90 is better than MP7 and is unlocked at level 28, UMP is unlocked at the first level and is a great gun. And you can unlcok MP7 with aprestige token if you think its so good.

StealthMonkey4

PP90 has a much higher fire rate (1000+ compared to 895), and rapid fire increases PP90s fire rate by 25% rather than only 11% like with MP7. The range on MP7 is only slgihtly better than UMP and PP90. PP90 is a much better weapon than PP90 since most encounters are up close, and reaching first prestige only takes like a day or so. If you think MW3 is so easy, you should have no problem winning with UMP or PP90, I can use the MP5, the worst SMG by far, and still dominate...

[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

[QUOTE="parkurtommo"] It has longer range than both of those and a much better fire rate, and again a prestige token requires you to reach the next prestige.parkurtommo

PP90 has a much higher fire rate (1000+ compared to 895), and rapid fire increases PP90s fire rate by 25% rather than only 11% like with MP7. The range on MP7 is only slgihtly better than UMP and PP90. PP90 is a much better weapon than PP90 since most encounters are up close, and reaching first prestige only takes like a day or so. If you think MW3 is so easy, you should have no problem winning with UMP or PP90, I can use the MP5, the worst SMG by far, and still dominate...

You'll do significantly better at objective based modes if you and your team cooperate, which is why most people play with clans. Even in TDM, working together helps. While you can still win with a bunch of randoms ignoring teamwork, a team of good players working together will do much better. Most shooters don't require you to interact with teammates anymore than MW3 does...

[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

[QUOTE="Jebus213"] and you think CoD requires skill? :lol:Kandlegoat

You've got to be a complete idiot to think CoD requires no skill...

Just because someone becomes skilled at CoD doesnt mean the game requires skill.A person could kick all their friends asses during a drunk get-together of bowling in Wii sports resort...does that mean Wii Sports resort requires skill in order to play?

The recent Call of Duty games are made with accessibility and casual gamers in mind.Anyone can jump in and feel like a elegant marksman...I myself am actually fairly mediocre when it comes to competitive online shooters yet,the 1 or 2 times I played MW2,I was able get tons of kills in.

Simple and easy isnt always a bad thing, I enjoy the Assassin's Creed games but i'm not about to try and convince people that it requires the same strategy and skill as the Hitman series.

First, I'm looking foward to Dishonored myself, lets hope it turns out as bad a** as it was demoed.

Your highlighted comments are contradictory. You are saying that you become skilled at COD but then it requires no skills....you can't have skills and no skills at the same time. And I don't believe everyone was drunk while I was playing COD, however in your case, it would depend on alcohol tolerance and wii bowling skills. But I'm not saying that COD skills is the best or most elite--it just is: COD skills. It's still skills--which validates monkey and my point that it still requires skills. Take these skills and go to BF3 and you'll get pwn. Take BF3 skills and come to COD and you'll also get pwn. To Halo, (insert FPS), so on and so forth.

[QUOTE="parkurtommo"][QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

PP90 has a much higher fire rate (1000+ compared to 895), and rapid fire increases PP90s fire rate by 25% rather than only 11% like with MP7. The range on MP7 is only slgihtly better than UMP and PP90. PP90 is a much better weapon than PP90 since most encounters are up close, and reaching first prestige only takes like a day or so. If you think MW3 is so easy, you should have no problem winning with UMP or PP90, I can use the MP5, the worst SMG by far, and still dominate...

StealthMonkey4

You'll do significantly better at objective based modes if you and your team cooperate, which is why most people play with clans. Even in TDM, working together helps. While you can still win with a bunch of randoms ignoring teamwork, a team of good players working together will do much better. Most shooters don't require you to interact with teammates anymore than MW3 does...

[QUOTE="Kandlegoat"]

[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

You've got to be a complete idiot to think CoD requires no skill...

cdragon_88

Just because someone becomes skilled at CoD doesnt mean the game requires skill.A person could kick all their friends asses during a drunk get-together of bowling in Wii sports resort...does that mean Wii Sports resort requires skill in order to play?

The recent Call of Duty games are made with accessibility and casual gamers in mind.Anyone can jump in and feel like a elegant marksman...I myself am actually fairly mediocre when it comes to competitive online shooters yet,the 1 or 2 times I played MW2,I was able get tons of kills in.

Simple and easy isnt always a bad thing, I enjoy the Assassin's Creed games but i'm not about to try and convince people that it requires the same strategy and skill as the Hitman series.

First, I'm looking foward to Dishonored myself, lets hope it turns out as bad a** as it was demoed.

Your highlighted comments are contradictory. You are saying that you become skilled at COD but then it requires no skills....you can't have skills and no skills at the same time. And I don't believe everyone was drunk while I was playing COD, however in your case, it would depend on alcohol tolerance and wii bowling skills. But I'm not saying that COD skills is the best or most elite--it just is: COD skills. It's still skills--which validates monkey and my point that it still requires skills. Take these skills and go to BF3 and you'll get pwn. Take BF3 skills and come to COD and you'll also get pwn. To Halo, (insert FPS), so on and so forth.

[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

[QUOTE="parkurtommo"] Yes I also used the PP90 (usually with a silencer because it sounds much nicer :p) but I found the MP7 much more pleasant. And the whole lone wolf style is terrible, you can win a match without interacting with your teamates at all, unlike a lot of other shooters.parkurtommo

You'll do significantly better at objective based modes if you and your team cooperate, which is why most people play with clans. Even in TDM, working together helps. While you can still win with a bunch of randoms ignoring teamwork, a team of good players working together will do much better. Most shooters don't require you to interact with teammates anymore than MW3 does...

Most clans play Domination, S&D, CTF, or some other obj. based mode. TDM isn't as much of a team-based mode, but you and teammates can still stick together, cover different parts of the map, etc. If you're looking for a team-based experience, don't play TDM then idiot...

[QUOTE="cdragon_88"]

[QUOTE="Kandlegoat"]

Just because someone becomes skilled at CoD doesnt mean the game requires skill.A person could kick all their friends asses during a drunk get-together of bowling in Wii sports resort...does that mean Wii Sports resort requires skill in order to play?

The recent Call of Duty games are made with accessibility and casual gamers in mind.Anyone can jump in and feel like a elegant marksman...I myself am actually fairly mediocre when it comes to competitive online shooters yet,the 1 or 2 times I played MW2,I was able get tons of kills in.

Simple and easy isnt always a bad thing, I enjoy the Assassin's Creed games but i'm not about to try and convince people that it requires the same strategy and skill as the Hitman series.

parkurtommo

First, I'm looking foward to Dishonored myself, lets hope it turns out as bad a** as it was demoed.

Your highlighted comments are contradictory. You are saying that you become skilled at COD but then it requires no skills....you can't have skills and no skills at the same time. And I don't believe everyone was drunk while I was playing COD, however in your case, it would depend on alcohol tolerance and wii bowling skills. But I'm not saying that COD skills is the best or most elite--it just is: COD skills. It's still skills--which validates monkey and my point that it still requires skills. Take these skills and go to BF3 and you'll get pwn. Take BF3 skills and come to COD and you'll also get pwn. To Halo, (insert FPS), so on and so forth.

Gee thanks Captain Obvious. Of course if you've never played a single FPS before in your life you'll play worse than someone who has played other FPS games, it doesn't change the fact that different FPS games require different skills.

[QUOTE="Michael0134567"]

They're highly marketed and accessible.

Jankarcop

[QUOTE="parkurtommo"][QUOTE="cdragon_88"]

First, I'm looking foward to Dishonored myself, lets hope it turns out as bad a** as it was demoed.

Your highlighted comments are contradictory. You are saying that you become skilled at COD but then it requires no skills....you can't have skills and no skills at the same time. And I don't believe everyone was drunk while I was playing COD, however in your case, it would depend on alcohol tolerance and wii bowling skills. But I'm not saying that COD skills is the best or most elite--it just is: COD skills. It's still skills--which validates monkey and my point that it still requires skills. Take these skills and go to BF3 and you'll get pwn. Take BF3 skills and come to COD and you'll also get pwn. To Halo, (insert FPS), so on and so forth.

StealthMonkey4

Gee thanks Captain Obvious. Of course if you've never played a single FPS before in your life you'll play worse than someone who has played other FPS games, it doesn't change the fact that different FPS games require different skills.

LOL:lol: I think he phrased it wrong because that was so......:lol:

[QUOTE="parkurtommo"][QUOTE="cdragon_88"]

First, I'm looking foward to Dishonored myself, lets hope it turns out as bad a** as it was demoed.

Your highlighted comments are contradictory. You are saying that you become skilled at COD but then it requires no skills....you can't have skills and no skills at the same time. And I don't believe everyone was drunk while I was playing COD, however in your case, it would depend on alcohol tolerance and wii bowling skills. But I'm not saying that COD skills is the best or most elite--it just is: COD skills. It's still skills--which validates monkey and my point that it still requires skills. Take these skills and go to BF3 and you'll get pwn. Take BF3 skills and come to COD and you'll also get pwn. To Halo, (insert FPS), so on and so forth.

StealthMonkey4

Gee thanks Captain Obvious. Of course if you've never played a single FPS before in your life you'll play worse than someone who has played other FPS games, it doesn't change the fact that different FPS games require different skills.

[QUOTE="parkurtommo"][QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

You'll do significantly better at objective based modes if you and your team cooperate, which is why most people play with clans. Even in TDM, working together helps. While you can still win with a bunch of randoms ignoring teamwork, a team of good players working together will do much better. Most shooters don't require you to interact with teammates anymore than MW3 does...

StealthMonkey4

Most clans play Domination, S&D, CTF, or some other obj. based mode. TDM isn't as much of a team-based mode, but you and teammates can still stick together, cover different parts of the map, etc. If you're looking for a team-based experience, don't play TDM then idiot...

[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

[QUOTE="parkurtommo"] Well I can tell you a person who has played battlefield and then plays CoD for the first time is going to do much better than a person who has never played an FPS before.parkurtommo

Gee thanks Captain Obvious. Of course if you've never played a single FPS before in your life you'll play worse than someone who has played other FPS games, it doesn't change the fact that different FPS games require different skills.

And that has absolutely nothing to do with what we were discussing, and is just common sense...

[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

[QUOTE="parkurtommo"] Is that a joke? The Battlefield series' gameplay is based around teamwork... MW3 is completely based around the individual, give me an example of how a clan could use team work in a TDM.parkurtommo

Most clans play Domination, S&D, CTF, or some other obj. based mode. TDM isn't as much of a team-based mode, but you and teammates can still stick together, cover different parts of the map, etc. If you're looking for a team-based experience, don't play TDM then idiot...

Deathmatch is free for all, TDM is just killing other players as a team. Deathmatch means there is no objective, and team means it is team vs. team, it doesn't say that you work completely as a team.

And that has absolutely nothing to do with what we were discussing, and is just common sense...

StealthMonkey4

Take BF3 skills and come to COD and you'll also get pwncdragon_88

Because there are many casual gamers out there.

COD games are easy to play and doesn't even need some skills to train.

This is the ugly side of the gaming industry.

[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

And that has absolutely nothing to do with what we were discussing, and is just common sense...

parkurtommo

Take BF3 skills and come to COD and you'll also get pwncdragon_88

He was talking about his argument with you not with me. But if you really must know, you will get pwn in COD with BF3 skills. What are you doing in COD? You build killstreaks. Get all the kills you want, without killstreaks you get pwn in COD. Have fun trying to get into a tank..er wait right, there is none. How about that camper over there, I guess you can just f-15 your butt and parachute behind him right...err.. wait now you can't do that in COD either. Not to mention COD has no destructible environments. I thnk what you really are trying to argue is that if you play BF3 then you'll play COD better rather than if you play COD then go to BF3. I'm not arguing what game/s make you better prepared for the other FPS. Regardless, you can't play BF3 like you do in COD and you don't play COD like you play BF3 for the reasons I already stated above.

[QUOTE="parkurtommo"]

[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"] [QUOTE="cdragon_88"]Take BF3 skills and come to COD and you'll also get pwncdragon_88

He was talking about his argument with you not with me. But if you really must know, you will get pwn in COD with BF3 skills. What are you doing in COD? You build killstreaks. Get all the kills you want, without killstreaks you get pwn in COD. Have fun trying to get into a tank..er wait right, there is none. How about that camper over there, I guess you can just f-15 your butt and parachute behind him right...err.. wait now you can't do that in COD either. Not to mention COD has no destructible environments.