I don't understand how CoD is still so appealing.

[QUOTE="cdragon_88"]

[QUOTE="parkurtommo"]

parkurtommo

He was talking about his argument with you not with me. But if you really must know, you will get pwn in COD with BF3 skills. What are you doing in COD? You build killstreaks. Get all the kills you want, without killstreaks you get pwn in COD. Have fun trying to get into a tank..er wait right, there is none. How about that camper over there, I guess you can just f-15 your butt and parachute behind him right...err.. wait now you can't do that in COD either. Not to mention COD has no destructible environments.

Again you are missing my point brother. With different games, you play with different skillsets. I'm not arguing with game provides you with better skills to provide you to play other FPSs. I'm arguing that COD requires a "COD skillset". This is the base of the argument that others have claimed "COD requires no skills". Fine, okay, BF3 gives you skills for COD. Then it is true, that COD "does" require skills afterall--as those skills are learned from BF3. You get my point?

And if you really must know how teamwork works in COD. Here's what my clan and I use to do in TDM since you are fixated on it.

Two of my friends are snipers--pretty good ones actually. They equip machine pistols as secondaries just in case they get flanked. Aggressive killstreaks only.

Two of us are "flys swatters" as we call it. We equip whatever gun we are most comfortable with as primary. Secondaries shoot down anything in the sky, hence "fly swatter". Aid killstreaks uavs, care package, etc. Most of the time we stay a little closer to the snipers to provide cover.

Two others are jack of all trades. They equip accordingly to what is required on the field and have a two way system with support/aid and aggressive attack killstreaks. they roam the map.

Our primary goal is to jack up the snipers killstreaks into chopper gunners and nukes.

[QUOTE="parkurtommo"]

[QUOTE="cdragon_88"]

He was talking about his argument with you not with me. But if you really must know, you will get pwn in COD with BF3 skills. What are you doing in COD? You build killstreaks. Get all the kills you want, without killstreaks you get pwn in COD. Have fun trying to get into a tank..er wait right, there is none. How about that camper over there, I guess you can just f-15 your butt and parachute behind him right...err.. wait now you can't do that in COD either. Not to mention COD has no destructible environments.

cdragon_88

Again you are missing my point brother. With different games, you play with different skillsets. I'm not arguing with game provides you with better skills to provide you to play other FPSs. I'm arguing that COD requires a "COD skillset". This is the base of the argument that others have claimed "COD requires no skills". Fine, okay, BF3 gives you skills for COD. Then it is true, that COD "does" require skills afterall--as those skills are learned from BF3. You get my point?

And if you really must know how teamwork works in COD. Here's what my clan and I use to do in TDM since you are fixated on it.

Two of my friends are snipers--pretty good ones actually. They equip machine pistols as secondaries just in case they get flanked. Aggressive killstreaks only.

Two of us are "flys swatters" as we call it. We equip whatever gun we are most comfortable with as primary. Secondaries shoot down anything in the sky, hence "fly swatter". Aid killstreaks uavs, care package, etc. Most of the time we stay a little closer to the snipers to provide cover.

Two others are jack of all trades. They equip accordingly to what is required on the field and have a two way system with support/aid and aggressive attack killstreaks. they roam the map.

Our primary goal is to jack up the snipers killstreaks into chopper gunners and nukes.

[QUOTE="Kandlegoat"]

[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

You've got to be a complete idiot to think CoD requires no skill...

cdragon_88

Just because someone becomes skilled at CoD doesnt mean the game requires skill.A person could kick all their friends asses during a drunk get-together of bowling in Wii sports resort...does that mean Wii Sports resort requires skill in order to play?

The recent Call of Duty games are made with accessibility and casual gamers in mind.Anyone can jump in and feel like a elegant marksman...I myself am actually fairly mediocre when it comes to competitive online shooters yet,the 1 or 2 times I played MW2,I was able get tons of kills in.

Simple and easy isnt always a bad thing, I enjoy the Assassin's Creed games but i'm not about to try and convince people that it requires the same strategy and skill as the Hitman series.

First, I'm looking foward to Dishonored myself, lets hope it turns out as bad a** as it was demoed.

Your highlighted comments are contradictory. You are saying that you become skilled at COD but then it requires no skills....you can't have skills and no skills at the same time. And I don't believe everyone was drunk while I was playing COD, however in your case, it would depend on alcohol tolerance and wii bowling skills. But I'm not saying that COD skills is the best or most elite--it just is: COD skills. It's still skills--which validates monkey and my point that it still requires skills. Take these skills and go to BF3 and you'll get pwn. Take BF3 skills and come to COD and you'll also get pwn. To Halo, (insert FPS), so on and so forth.

How is that contradictory? A person can be unbeatable in X game that requires very little to no skill ..but that doesnt change the fact that X game requires little to no skill in order to play.Why do you think these games are the huge sensation that they are? They're easy to pick up and play and the only skill requirement is knowing the layout of a controller.

But you're acting like i'm trying to be insulting or something....I'll admit,I dislike the Call of Duty series and most other Military Shooters in general...but i'm not trying to bash the games or their fans (that sh!t got old a long time ago)

Well unlike in BF you don't get any rewards by using teamwork, I mean obviously you can set up some teamwork through clans but the game doesn't actually give any incentives to do so, you don't really get any perks from those sniper guys calling in choppers. You'll just win the match, no extra xp. I guess whatever suits you.parkurtommo

No COD doesn't reward you to do any teamwork. I never play against clans unless its clan vs clan which is in regular TDM. Which is also one of my biggerst complaints in MW3. There's no longer a TDM Mercanary mode if I remember correctly. TDM is mostly reserved for clans vs clans. My friends and we just use to talk hella smack to others to get them mad then kicked their butts. Its more fun than gaining xp. LOL. But yea, I see what you are saying, point taken.

Sometimes I think these shooters are made with tracing paper. And yet people flock to them like flies around pooh.

No colour, no originality, no style. Goes for a lot of FPS games.

Easy and everyone wants to be a g.i joe.

How is that contradictory? A person can be unbeatable in X game that requires very little to no skill ..but that doesnt change the fact that X game requires little to no skill in order to play.Why do you think these games are the huge sensation that they are? They're easy to pick up and play and the only skill requirement is knowing the layout of a controller.

But you're acting like i'm trying to be insulting or something....I'll admit,I dislike the Call of Duty series and most other Military Shooters in general...but i'm not trying to bash the games or their fans (that sh!t got old a long time ago)

Kandlegoat

Do you really believe in that statement there? That the only skill in COD is to know the controller layout? If so then you are insulting every COD player right there even down to the devs and their design. We both know it requires more than that--especially if you ranked high in the scoreboard every game--which I have before (in mw2), so yes, you are indeed insulting me. Again, as I have stated before, I'm not arguing that COD skills is the best skills or whatnot, I'm arguing that it does require skills to play. Why is COD such a huge sensation? Look back couple pages when this one guy quoted another guy and said "word". Another proceeded to quote them both and replied "this." But this isn't the base of the argument. The point still stands, you need some skills to play COD.

[QUOTE="Kandlegoat"]

How is that contradictory? A person can be unbeatable in X game that requires very little to no skill ..but that doesnt change the fact that X game requires little to no skill in order to play.Why do you think these games are the huge sensation that they are? They're easy to pick up and play and the only skill requirement is knowing the layout of a controller.

But you're acting like i'm trying to be insulting or something....I'll admit,I dislike the Call of Duty series and most other Military Shooters in general...but i'm not trying to bash the games or their fans (that sh!t got old a long time ago)

cdragon_88

Do you really believe in that statement there? That the only skill in COD is to know the controller layout? If so then you are insulting every COD player right there even down to the devs and their design. We both know it requires more than that--especially if you ranked high in the scoreboard every game--which I have before (in mw2), so yes, you are indeed insulting me. Again, as I have stated before, I'm not arguing that COD skills is the best skills or whatnot, I'm arguing that it does require skills to play. Why is COD such a huge sensation? Look back couple pages when this one guy quoted another guy and said "word". Another proceeded to quote them both and replied "this." But this isn't the base of the argument. The point still stands, you need some skills to play COD.

Perhaps that remark was condescending and overblown...but still,it doesnt change the fact that the skill/learning curve is casual compared to something like Counter-Strike (which is all that i'm getting at) and this very much so is one of the factors into why the game is huge in mainstream culture.

You said so yourself that the skill requirement for the games arent high... there's really no need for us to argue any further.

Perhaps that remark was condescending and overblown...but still,it doesnt change the fact that the skill/learning curve is casual compared to something like Counter-Strike (which is all that i'm getting at) and this very much so is one of the factors into why the game is huge in mainstream culture.

You said so yourself that the skill requirement for the games arent high...it's there's really no need for us to argue any further.

Kandlegoat

I think we both made our points. COD requires skills--how high? That remains to be argued but its not the base of this argument, so to you, I agree.

[QUOTE="Kandlegoat"]

[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

You've got to be a complete idiot to think CoD requires no skill...

StealthMonkey4

Just because someone becomes skilled at CoD doesnt mean the game requires skill.A person could kick all their friends asses during a drunk get-together of bowling in Wii sports resort...does that mean Wii Sports resort requires skill in order to play?

The recent Call of Duty games are made with accessibility and casual gamers in mind.Anyone can jump in and feel like a elegant marksman...I myself am actually fairly mediocre when it comes to competitive online shooters yet,the 1 or 2 times I played MW2,I was able get tons of kills in.

Simple and easy isnt always a bad thing, I enjoy the Assassin's Creed games but i'm not about to try and convince people that it requires the same strategy and skill as the Hitman series.

All games are different and the skills required are different. CoD is more about tactics, knowing your way around the map, and fast reflexes than it is about aim. Some people are good at CoD, others are awful. CoD requires just as much skill as Battlefield or any other shooter out there.

LOL. Wow. Tell that to those 2-14 folks each game.cdragon_88

I dunno but it has something and its money apparently. I wonder though, I don't even think its bad more so then I'm not sure how it has become as big as it is. Its crazy huge.

It's easy to play, you don't need more than 10 minutes to play (frequent checkpoints, quick matches), it requires little in the way of strategy, and the games have plenty of impressive setpieces.

Same here I gave up on COD after MW2 just a terrible game.

It's pretty simple, you can pretty much have any loadout you want, and the game is just fun.

[QUOTE="cdragon_88"]LOL. Wow. Tell that to those 2-14 folks each game.Jebus213

Your lack of argument skills to prove my point false undermines anything you say have any validity especially when all you do is vent your anger due to a difference of opinion. You :COD takes no skills--because I say so, everything everyone else says is wrong. How about some proof? My proof is pretty simple, play the game and tell me why some folks are always on the bottom of the scoreboard? Answer me that? Some folks have better skills than others--that's the only way for the difference. As I've said once and I'll say again, I'm not here to argue how much skill COD requires or whatnot, I'm here to argue that COD does require skills--COD's skillset. Don't see the point of what COD game I started with to have anything to due with the validity of my argument that COD requires skills also. My argument to say that some folks need to play COD is to prove my claims valid, as you will see same folks at the bottom of the scoreboard almost constantly. If you want to argue which shooter game I started playing at the first point of my life then we'll save that for another day as it has nothing to do with this argument.

To the mod who flagged me. Thanks bro, I guess its not okay when my statements are not specifically aimed at one person but as general idea of thinking, but when someone attacks someone else as a "fvck" then its cool. Guess next time I'll trash COD and anyone defending it and get away with it too.

It's an extremely well produced and smooth experience. Everything from the menus to the gameplay is just smooth as hell.

It's packed with content. A fully featured mulitplayer segment, A great set of co-operative missions and survival mode and an explosive and well paced campaign.

It's also hugely accessible and quick to get into.

If you don't understand why it's appealing to people, then you are more stupid than the people that buy it.

Like a hooker's panties after shelling out money it's pretty easy to get into.

[QUOTE="Jebus213"][QUOTE="cdragon_88"]LOL. Wow. Tell that to those 2-14 folks each game.cdragon_88

Your lack of argument skills to prove my point false undermines anything you say have any validity especially when all you do is vent your anger due to a difference of opinion. You :COD takes no skills--because I say so, everything everyone else says is wrong. How about some proof? My proof is pretty simple, play the game and tell me why some folks are always on the bottom of the scoreboard? Answer me that? Some folks have better skills than others--that's the only way for the difference. As I've said once and I'll say again, I'm not here to argue how much skill COD requires or whatnot, I'm here to argue that COD does require skills--COD's skillset. Don't see the point of what COD game I started with to have anything to due with the validity of my argument that COD requires skills also. My argument to say that some folks need to play COD is to prove my claims valid, as you will see same folks at the bottom of the scoreboard almost constantly. If you want to argue which shooter game I started playing at the first point of my life then we'll save that for another day as it has nothing to do with this argument.

To the mod who flagged me. Thanks bro, I guess its not okay when my statements are not specifically aimed at one person but as general idea of thinking, but when someone attacks someone else as a "fvck" then its cool. Guess next time I'll trash COD and anyone defending it and get away with it too.

[QUOTE="parkurtommo"]

[QUOTE="cdragon_88"]

He was talking about his argument with you not with me. But if you really must know, you will get pwn in COD with BF3 skills. What are you doing in COD? You build killstreaks. Get all the kills you want, without killstreaks you get pwn in COD. Have fun trying to get into a tank..er wait right, there is none. How about that camper over there, I guess you can just f-15 your butt and parachute behind him right...err.. wait now you can't do that in COD either. Not to mention COD has no destructible environments.

cdragon_88

Again you are missing my point brother. With different games, you play with different skillsets. I'm not arguing with game provides you with better skills to provide you to play other FPSs. I'm arguing that COD requires a "COD skillset". This is the base of the argument that others have claimed "COD requires no skills". Fine, okay, BF3 gives you skills for COD. Then it is true, that COD "does" require skills afterall--as those skills are learned from BF3. You get my point?

And if you really must know how teamwork works in COD. Here's what my clan and I use to do in TDM since you are fixated on it.

Two of my friends are snipers--pretty good ones actually. They equip machine pistols as secondaries just in case they get flanked. Aggressive killstreaks only.

Two of us are "flys swatters" as we call it. We equip whatever gun we are most comfortable with as primary. Secondaries shoot down anything in the sky, hence "fly swatter". Aid killstreaks uavs, care package, etc. Most of the time we stay a little closer to the snipers to provide cover.

Two others are jack of all trades. They equip accordingly to what is required on the field and have a two way system with support/aid and aggressive attack killstreaks. they roam the map.

Our primary goal is to jack up the snipers killstreaks into chopper gunners and nukes.

Look at the IQ of your typical western gamer and there you have it.

Some cultures are naturally above such garbage thank god.