I Have No Problem With the Xbox and Xbox 360, the Xbox One is Kind of a Joke Though

I often get called out for fanboying Sony even though I have spent like 1100 to get my pc up and running without games and I'm totally interested in buying the Switch when it gets games.

But alas, xbox gamers dislike that I down on their product.

What I'm here to discuss is the general viewpoint I have and the decline I see with the xbox brand this generation that makes the product undesirable for a 200+ dollar purchase compared to it's predecessors.

So I noticed a huge trend when it comes to exclusives of xbox one even if you ignore the fact that they are all on pc (which further makes the xbox one and it's iterations pretty irrelevant), this is the fact that they completely ignore the rest of the world. While yes, the xbox one sells for shit in Japan, having those sort of exclusives on the xbox one would really liven up the ecosystem of games with more diversity and overall just more quality that you can't buy on other consoles.

Like do you know that Dead or Alive used to be exclusive to Xbox? Dead or Alive 3 was ONLY on Xbox.

Breakdown:

Dino Crisis 3:

Jet Set Radio Future:

etc etc, just speaking for some japanese support.

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360:

Ace Combat 6 was exclusive to xbox 360, Beautiful Katamari, Blue Dragon, Bullet Witch, Chromehounds, Dead of Alive 4, Dead or Alive Xtreme 3, Guilty Gear 2 Overture, Kingdom Under Fire (korean game but still), Naruto: Rise of a Ninja (ubisoft but it's a game that has a more japanese/anime fan aim that wouldn't be made exclusive currently to anything but ps4 maybe), OneChanbara: Bikini Samurai Squad, Ridge Racer 6, Tenchu Z, Operation Darkness, etc etc.

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So we can clearly see that xbox and the 360 clearly had a whole assortment of games that they now don't tap into and that would make current xbox one a lot better if they had the support of games like this, even if said games wouldn't sell well in japan (they would sell more xbox ones but not a lot I don't think, akin to last gen), it would strengthen the US and European sales of the consoles I'd say with more available to them.

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Then you factor in that there is more going wrong with the xbox one, even western games aren't as good as they used to be for xbox exclusives.

Fable? Cancelled and the studio was closed was it not? I remember being in middle school, like 6th or 7th grade, and a kid being super hyped about fable or fable 2 or something and he brought his gaming magazine to school to show people about it and everyone was super hyped as he described the stuff. Turns out the first 2 fable games were pretty good and I don't have doubts that another one after 3 would have been pretty good, and fable 3 was far from the worst game ever. Fable Legends seemed mediocre though.

Halo and Gears is dying down slowly.

Forza is pretty good though.

Perfect Dark Zero, Prey, Project Gotham Racing series, Saints Row, Star Trek Legacy, Too Human, The Witcher 2, Banjoo-Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts, etc etc.

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There was one thing holding the xbox 360 back and that was the red ring of death, however take that out of the equation and you have 2 consoles that have exclusives that shit on the xbox one while the xbox one has a bunch of good games that can be played better on the pc and can also be played on the ps4, then a handful of rather mediocre to pretty good exclusives that pc players can all play, making the xbox one a console that isn't worth owning in favor of having a ps4, pc, or both. It's 200-300 dollars that are best spent elsewhere.

In conclusion: I have no problem with the xbox brand as a whole and I like the xbox and the xbox 360 (not as much as the ps2 and ps3, but still like them and enjoy games on them), but the xbox one isn't worth the purchase and even if you like the games, outside of halo 5, the xbox one is an irrelevant product unless they come up with some true exclusives and don't put all their games to console exclusivity, also the games have to be rather good as well.

I'm not against buying an xbox one in the future if and when they get quality true exclusives, but until that time comes, the xbox one is a worst product within the limited market that exists. Someone can enjoy the 3rd party games and they can maybe enjoy the exclusives, however they'd be better off with something else. If the other consoles didn't exist and there wasn't pc gaming, it'd be a certain buy from me though due to the stellar 3rd party games coming out this generation.

Boring.

The xbox one isn't really boring, it's just not really worth buying.

This thread almost sounds like a Blog to me.

Just a heads up, you only discredit yourself when you have to open up your argument with trying to shield yourself from claims of bias.

If you have a solid point to make, it should be one that has a reasonable position with evidence to support. You presented plenty but you only did yourself a disservice by opening up with what can be basically summed up as "I'm not a fanboy but..."

Don't do it. Just make your point and back it well. If people attack you as the source it means your argument is strong enough. If they have have to attack the source rather than the points presented which means they have no good argument to counter the claim you've made, or they are trolling. Either way they make themselves irrelevant immediately.

@putaspongeon: nope pal, fanboys threads are boring and that's what you are, a fanboy.

@davillain-: I don't see a mod tag under your name.

@raugutcon: And your replies are trolling of nature. Want to continue shitting up this thread then take a nice little vacation?

Post better than this guys.

pretty much this.

I actually read that first sentence and stopped reading at first. Only went back when i read this posted and you said he made good points(which he did) about the xbox brand.

Definitely follow Wasdie's recommendations moving forward.

My Xbox One was purchased to be a Halo machine right now. In retrospect, that isn't all that different than the OG Xbox and the 360, except those also had Fable as a reason to purchase the consoles.

I can't exactly say that I'm thirsty for content on the thing either. I've got the backlog of backwards compatibility games, and I still haven't purchased games like Recore, Quantum Break, Halo Wars 2 and Forza Horizon 3. I'm just now digging into Ori & the Blind Forest and boy is that a stunning game.

It's a good console and I'm glad I own it. I do agree with your post--the previous consoles had a diverse line-up of exclusive/PC-console exclusive games alongside all of the multiplatform releases. I hope Microsoft will kick it into overdrive and start releasing some unique content.

Eh, it wouldn't be as fun then.

This IS console wars, have to spice things up a little.

Good post. I agree completely. There are way too few reasons to own a One. They really dropped the ball with it. Hope it gets better.

Yeah, I agree that Phil Spencer and Microsoft really dropped the ball with the Xbox One.

Is this Pre-E3 damage Control? lol

I'm a fan of all things gaming. Picked up the Pro about a week ago and the Switch over the past weekend and I'm loving both consoles. Playing through Horizon first, then The Last of Us. I'll finish up with Zelda and eventually purchase Persona 5 after that...lol. Got Mario Kart to play with my girl...

I enjoy the Xbox and Microsoft as a whole. Had my fun with playing it. I do agree the games out for the Xbox 360 were more diverse than what it has going for it now, nonetheless I've enjoyed playing my Xbox One. Even though I sold it...lol. I played what I wanted to play and always have my PC for Forza Horizon III; which I love the Xbox Play Anywhere, for things like this. I don't need my Xbox One to play Forza Horizon III. I got my PC!

Yeah man, like Wasdie said, don't be defensive about your position, do it with conviction.

Xbox was really good, Xbox 360 is great, I still love it. The Xbox One is redundant with no exclusives. PS4 has lots of quality exclusives. They'll say 'I like to play infront of my PC', I say, get a steam link.

This part I don't agree with Wasdie. The general rule is, when arguing, back up what you're saying, but there's no need, it pretty much speaks for itself here. On top of that, the only decent first party games you're getting is from Turn 10.

And MS dropped Kinect 2.0 like a pussy at the first sign of Sony winning the sales war. Which says what Xbox One is all about, it's a business designed to beat Sony first and foremost, which is a really boring business position to take, which is why it fails. Sony are bringing a great product first and working out how to competitive second. That's what people do, they say 'I have a great product, something to bring, how can I be competitive with it'.

Xbox One is a joke. The only exciting thing it has coming is... better hardware :S. But you guys told me console gaming was about the games? On the PC we buy better hardware when we need it, nothing to get fuzzy feelings in our pants about. Then the PS4 Pro would still win, decent enough hardware, exclusive games.

Project Gotham Racing series covered by Forza Horizon series.

Forza Motorsport is still being covered. PC version is a small slice.

Ace Combat 6 (Japan)

Beautiful Katamari (Japan, Toon), covered by Ori & the Blind Forest or Sea of Thieves (Toon)

Blue Dragon (Japan, anime)

Chromehounds (Japan, mecha)

Dead of Alive 4 (Japan, anime/fan service, fighting), covered by Killer instinct series minus the fan service.

Dead or Alive Xtreme 3 (Japan, anime/fan service, fighting), covered by Killer instinct series minus the fan service.

Guilty Gear 2 Overture (Japan, anime, hack-slash)

Kingdom Under Fire (South Korea, fantasy/strategy), covered by Halo Wars 2 (sci-fi/strategy)

OneChanbara (Japan, anime/fan service, fighting), covered by Killer instinct series minus the fan service.

Ridge Racer 6 (Japan, racing), covered by Forza Horizon series.

Tenchu Z (Japan, hack-slash)

Operation Darkness (Japan, tactical roleplay)

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Perhaps MS should mod ReCore's heroine with excessive fan service...

Crackdown 3, Halo 5 and Gears of War 4 are shooters.

@putaspongeon said:

So I noticed a huge trend when it comes to exclusives of xbox one even if you ignore the fact that they are all on pc (which further makes the xbox one and it's iterations pretty irrelevant)

Xbox's existence was designed to exceed low end PCs with crappy Intel IGP i.e. more GPU and less CPU ratio.

but you still want people to actually read your post..that's the point wasdie is making.

didn't phil spencer only recently become head of xbox?don't really think its fair to put the blame on him for trying to fix the damage E3 2013 left.

Another Xbox has no exclusives thread! Get some new material guys...

Your position: MS shouldn't aim their strategy against Sony.

In the meantime, Sony aims their strategy against MS....

Your view point is absurd and a hypocritical position.

@HalcyonScarlet said:

Xbox One is a joke. The only exciting thing it has coming is... better hardware :S. But you guys told me console gaming was about the games?

Scorpio was a response against the "resolution gate" generated by Cows who repeatedly quoted Digital Foundry. Note why MS targeted Digital Foundry..

@HalcyonScarlet said:

On the PC we buy better hardware when we need it,

It fails the "white goods" test. Config a PC with GTX 1070/Fury X class gaming machine which includes the labor cost to assemble it.

I was a huge Xbox fan ,especially with the OG XBox. The best times in gaming history for me was on the xbox with Jet Grind Radio, Halo and Splinter Cell. Then the 360 came out and I had tons of great experience such as playing GEOW when it was first released and thought it was the best looking console game ever made. But when XB1 came out, I jumped ship and boarded the ps4. MS could of had me as a their fan, if they released new IPs that interest me. Yah I loved GEOW series on the xbox 360 and the Halo series, but with xb1 I wanted something new and MS just wasn't having it. Which is sad, because MS had a great chance to bring new awesome IPS, but instead chose to release nthing but failures this gen.

I shall admit, MS did bring something new to this gen. They brought out the true nature of the lemmings and ended up giving them a job. WHich is full time, around the clock , 24/7 damage control services. I've never seen so many fan boys in my life that can come up the excuses then the lemmmings.

Rare Ltd has spent their personnel resources on Kinect games instead of making toon graphics type games. Kinect has damaged XBox more than just the machine design.

Scorpio's 360 mm^2 APU chip budget is identical XBO's 363 mm^2 APU but without Kinect cost.

Without Kinect, the extra $70 could have been GDDR5, 384 bit bus PCB and ESRAM could have been another set of 14 CUs for a total 28 CU GPU.

Labor costs to assemble? You mean a youtube video and 2 hours if you don't know what you're doing?

Pcs aren't hard to make, i've made mine and the main issue was figuring out I didn't need a few of the things included.

It's become a glorified dust collector for me. All the consoles are useful to me only as far as their exclusives. These days even my actual friends are gaming on a PC if they actually want to game, and the PC is my ideal system for 99% of the games I play. Nintendo's first party is quality, and while Sony's first party is varying degrees of meh with a rare moment of greatness from a Naughty Dog or whatever, the PS4 got stuff like Nioh, which is right up my alley, Bloodborne was beast, and I'm digging Yakuza Zero even though the combat is fucking shallow as far as beat-em up gameplay is concerned. Majima is the shit.

I don't even need Microsoft to get Japanese games, though that would help. Hell I'm not even bothered by the games as a service idea, but they need a cohesive vision already. Play to their strengths, and so long as I get the games on PC anyway, I can't say I'm too butthurt about the Xbox One becoming a useless device to me. I'd much rather play any one of the first party games on a suped up PC that could run n play the game better. So what I would like, is just Microsoft's ips to be stronger

343:

-I would like them to also do a new ip. It's fine that they do Halo, but also let them do new things

-I do not fucking like the way Halo 5 launched and how they handled post game support. Free maps was a bold faced lie. Way too many of the maps were remixes, and too many were Forge maps. You can kiss my ass if you think they would have gotten away with selling us forge maps. The fact that Halo 5's BTB maps are strictly just forge maps is disgusting. BTB deserves way better. It's a shame because they have a strong core gameplay loop in Halo 5. Guns feel loud n powerful, the added strafe thruster adds to the skill ceiling, and sprint n clamber I'm mostly cool with.

-I'd like 343's art team to be way better, and more importantly their maps need more visual diversity n gameplay diversity. Too many of their arena maps feel similar because they are built too hard around the pro-esport scene. It's balanced to a fault, not enough asymmetrical styled maps or maps that have a clear n obvious identity.

-Maybe it's time to pair back on the pronoun game and the extended fiction. Tell a simple, clean, n coherent story. And maybe shave off some of the fat on Halo's weapon roster for single player, also one frame wind ups on Hunters is dull, also rules of 3 game design is dull, also maybe focus more on Halo's dynamic aspects.

The Coalition

-Do something other than gears. Why did that new ip get dropped. Making a gears factory is not a positive, I'd like some long breaks between Gears releases. Fill that up with The Coalition being able to do another thing.

Turn 10

-Same as above. You're telling me they couldn't come up with a different racing idea that isn't tied to the car porn/simcade nature of things like GT n Forza?

Rare

-Sea of Thieves looks fun. I'm on board. But again, don't just let them become the Sea of Thieves team, make sure they are in a position to do other things.

Like if they suddenly become mp happy, I'm fine with that, so long as it's a diverse group of mp titles. Have cross platform play with the PC n Xbox One (social slayer, just make team ranked the one mode where mouse n keyboard players can't go, or give them their own separate ranked playlist for team slayer), make UWP not stupid, and dear christ, also release on Steam. Quit being dicks.

Halo, Gears, Forza doesn't even bother me all that much, they are still good games at their core. But two of them feel a little long n the tooth, and the other one being bi-annual (Forza Horizon and regular ass Forza are different enough, significantly so I might add) makes them a less interesting purchase. That's without getting into how they handle dlc or microtransactions for these games, which are inherently irritating. Zelda for instance is special, because we get like 1 every 4 or 5 years it feels like. It's why GTA and Red Dead 2 are special to people. They weren't just only doing that stuff, absence makes the heart grow fonder. I love me some Souls stuff, but Dark Souls 2 I basically didn't even want to touch in 2014. Got halfway through it and was bored. and Dark Souls 3 was good, but again, I was no longer impressed. Why? because I've never had enough time to even miss the Souls games. On the flip side, I'm really missing Devil May Cry.

Above all else, get more studios under your umbrella that make new things. Sony I at least know that their first party studios cover a range of genres. I'm not the biggest fan of games like Killzone, Infamous, and God of War 3 last gen. But they were fun enough in bursts, and solid, if forgetable purchases. In between me having a blast with Demon's Souls, Valkyria Chronicles, n The Last of Us. Would I be down for some single player games as good as Panzer Dragoon Orta, Otogi, Jet Set Radio Future, and of course something as masterful as Ninja Gaiden Black in the Microsoft lineup? Sure, I'd like games up to snuff with those games in Sony's line up as well, hell Nintendo's too.

But Microsoft's fucking up some basic shit that needs some course correction. Namely, get the **** out of the dev's way a little bit.

Not really Spencer's fault right? He was only head of Xbox since 2014, it takes a while to develop games.

Cool blog yo! Good thing you don't have a PS4. If you think the Xbox One is a joke, you would think your PS4 is the laughing stock of gaming.

I'm generally happy with my XB1, I don't own a PC so anything shared with PC doesn't affect me. I get enough racing games not on the PS4 so I don't need one of those. Could it use some more first party devs/games, sure and I hope we some come E3.

That's all the attention I will give this thread, hell I didn't even read it, I just saw the thread title and it's creator and knew what it was about, and the best part is I saved some time :)

Dat insecurity with ye old, I don't love my system I just hate yours. What a sadsack. I mean to spend all that time thinking about and bashing a system you say you don't care about. Do you really have nothing better to do or is it simply....

Yeah, I'm going with this. lolol :P

You are absurd. I didn't say that at all, read again... Carefully. I'm well aware of your preference to skimming posts and I wont indulge you until you read it properly. Not going through what happened last time again.

I don't know what you're talking about at the end of your post and how it relates to what I said.

I'm happy.

My goty so far is yakuza 0.

@HalcyonScarlet: I agree with your sentiments but see something worse. When the Wii turned into the leader in gen 7, they abandoned creating new IP for core gamers and sunk their first-party on kinect games. Essentially, the XBox business formula is to take on either Sony or Nintendo depending on which one is leading.

They started this generation in literally all the wrong places. No development of internal game properties outside of their basic trilogy and they were married to tech (kinect) that was an answer to a problem that no longer existed.

I have insisted that the problems with the XBox brand did not just start in 2013. The problems we are seeing with the XBox One are not skin-deep. It is as you said, very well, they have not taken that step to build an identity for the brand and the end result has been mediocre up to this point. That is really the thing that people want to see addressed at E3 this year.

More power isn't what XBox needs, but it might just be the excuse they need to get their mind right about all of their real problems. We shall see.

How dare you, how the **** dare you?! Xbox is the best box.

You really have a problem understanding arguments your this means that kind of argument has some serious issues which seriously make you sound like a machine replying instead of a human which is incredible.

Resolution gate wasn't created by cows,it was created by lemmings who have hype graphics and resolution for 2 generations in a row only to pretend it didn't matter this gen when they loss and now pretend they do matter again because scropio is near.

Cows didn't create resolution gate DF and lemmings did.

https://www.gamespot.com/forums/system-wars-314159282/eurogamer-rdr-360-vs-ps3-face-off-360-wins-27326005/

2010... As you can CLEARLY see that is a DF thread about Red dead redemption done on this site highlighting how the 360 version is superior because it has higher resolution and better detail...

The fun part is that this ^^ hypocrites sad the difference between 720p and 640p but could not tell the different between 1080p and 720p in 2013..lol

There was no PS3 in 2010 only PS3 and 360 and the threads were endless about superior xbox 360 version,you lemmings got what you deserve.

I know how to mount a PC is not that hard really i have known since the early 90's when i jumped from Mac to PC.

So adding extra cost to downplay the fact that you can get something better is lol worthy and the 1070GTX >>> Scorpio.

@putaspongeon: inb4 fanboy blog lock

Didn't read the OP, but I'm definitely on board with the topic title.

OG Xbox was awesome, had plenty of good exclusives, multiplats that were significantly better, and an online service that blew away the competition.

360 was without a doubt the console to own for the first half of gen 7, good exclusives, better multiplats, and even though it slowed down while PS3 was heating up, it still remained a great console through the rest of its run.

Xbone. Still can't find a reason to own one. That's not to say PS4 has been some god send either. PC eating up almost every game really changed things this gen. But Sony and Nintendo still go out of their way to provide a bunch of good shit you can't find anywhere else. Xbone is lagging way behind in that respect.

Though honestly, I'm not complaining. Microsoft made it to where I don't have to buy another box, and I'm grateful for that.

For the current console generation, Scorpio was a response against the "resolution gate" generated by Cows who repeatedly quoted Digital Foundry. Note why MS targeted Digital Foundry..

@tormentos said:

https://www.gamespot.com/forums/system-wars-314159282/eurogamer-rdr-360-vs-ps3-face-off-360-wins-27326005/

2010... As you can CLEARLY see that is a DF thread about Red dead redemption done on this site highlighting how the 360 version is superior because it has higher resolution and better detail...

For the current console generation, Scorpio was a response against the "resolution gate" generated by Cows who repeatedly quoted Digital Foundry. Note why MS targeted Digital Foundry..

@tormentos said:

The fun part is that this ^^ hypocrites sad the difference between 720p and 640p but could not tell the different between 1080p and 720p in 2013..lol

Your mentioned pixel relatively difference is minor when compared to 3200x1800p checkboard vs native 4K.

@tormentos said:

There was no PS3 in 2010 only PS3 and 360 and the threads were endless about superior xbox 360 version,you lemmings got what you deserve.

I'm 100 percent PC master race you stupid cow. My arguments when I joined Gamespot forum is pro-NVIDIA.

@tormentos said:

I know how to mount a PC is not that hard really i have known since the early 90's when i jumped from Mac to PC.

From my experience with Freescale/Motorola via Commodore Amiga, I bash PowerPC.

Games like Doom 3 heavily used GPR-SIMD ping-pong transfers it's fycked on PowerPC architecture.

Against PowerPC G4 era, my PC was AMD K7 Athlon with excellent Photoshop results.

@tormentos said:

So adding extra cost to downplay the fact that you can get something better is lol worthy and the 1070GTX >>> Scorpio.

Scorpio already rivals/defeated GTX 1070 in Forza 6. Hint; it's memory bandwidth.

Since you don't have high end GPU to test major graphics pipeline areas, I tested my GTX 1080 Ti with 6.5 TFLOPS while keeping the memory bandwidth as is, it yields sustained 4K/60 fps with the same wet track.

NVIDIA GTX 1070 doesn't have TFLOPS problem i.e. the problem is memory bandwidth related.

Good post, sums up my thoughts on the state of the brand as it is right now fairly well. I am still getting an Xbox One, because Forza Horizon seems to be pretty awesome, but back in the Xbox days, if you didn't have one, you missed out on some of the best games of the era. Xbox 360? It was the go to console of its generation. The Xbox One is, to me, struggling to define itself increasingly- Sony and PS4 provide for a far better primary console experience than the Xbox One does, and the Switch has rapidly deteriorated its stance as a secondary, supplementary system, too.

Your "Which says what Xbox One is all about, it's a business designed to beat Sony first and foremost, which is a really boring business position to take" assertion is absurd.

Setting different standards for Sony and MS is absurd.

Agreed. I enjoyed the original Xbox and even owned a 360 at some point. Really good consoles with great diversity in games. Xbone however, is a sad joke of a system. No reason for me to own it and has completely tarnished the Xbox brand. For the sake of competition I hope MS gets their head out of their asses and start actually caring about games again. Looking at the direction they are going with the Scorpio I'm still not sure they get it. Every time MS drops the ball we hear Spencer talk about how they get it and how the games are coming but then they drop it again. I feel like the Xbone has been nothing but excuses and mistakes since it launched and I don't see that changing with the Scorpio. Here's hoping the company completely abandons their fail way of thinking and get back to their roots nextgen.

Read it again, lol.

Horrible post, and seems to be more in tune with what Sony has done with the PS brand right now. Sure I still have my PS Pro, because of the GranTurismoKillzoneUncharted milking, which I enjoy, but with PS you no longer need a PS to play their games. Now if you go back to the PS1, PS2 days, you needed a PS. But no more. With the PS4 flailing the way it is, I am not sure they will recover in the games department because they have that focus of console first, multiplat future. With Xbox, I get the best games, best online service, and now I will get the best graphics and best performance. So the need for the PS is no longer a need, and I think it's a sad thing to see. I hope Sony makes some big changes.

Cool story bro.

Also, a system doesn't need Japanese games to have a good library. Dumb argument.

MS will never learn. Thanks for shedding light on MS.

Your "Which says what Xbox One is all about, it's a business designed to beat Sony first and foremost, which is a really boring business position to take" assertion is LOL.

At least someone gets what I was trying to say about wanting to have a good product first then competing (PS4) and being in the business just to compete at every corner (Xbox One).

And everything MS have done since 2013 E3 has been reactionary. Sony didn't do that at all with the PS3, they were arguably in a worse position and they refused to shit their pants and make knee jerk reactions. I really admire that, Sony really worked to make the PS3 into something for the gamers first. MS could have done that. They could have said 'well we lost the sales war, but we can still make this into a damn good console for gamers', but they're so obsessed with what Playstation is doing, they barely look at what they're doing.

To me Scorpio is just diverting peoples attention away from the problems.

nobody cares about your opinion enough to read all that