I honestly can't believe this, shame on you Blizzard (WoW related huge spoilers)

[QUOTE="Birdy09"]Whoa a villian actually died? THIS WAS NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN!? So what? theres a new lich king now, get over it. and he wasnt the most powerful, where does it ever state that?madsnakehhh

At the end of WarCraft 3, is pretty much a given fact, he was stronger than Jain, than Thrall, than Sylvanas, than Illidian.

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[QUOTE="rzepak"]

So what the whiners are saying is that the lore should just stop becouse you like Arthas? The Warcraft Universe belongs to Blizzard they can do anything they want to with it. It would be boring to have the same arch enemy for years. No one lives forever and nor should they. Arthas's leaves a vacant spot for another evil being to emerge thus pushing the story forward.

rzepak

Well, after hours and hours of the same, sure it's boring, but for the ones that actually cared for the story, is really disappointing.

I am sorry but those who actually care about the story should be happy it is being developed and is moving forward instead of stalling on account of Arthas.

Well, i feel they didn't gave him a proper resolution, that's all.

I've been a fan of Warcraft Lore for awhile now with Arthas being my favorite lore figure. I'm very pleased to have experienced the assault on Icecrown Citadel and partaking in the death of the Lich King. Wrath of the Lich King has been out for nearly two years now, and the journey of questing through Northrend, raiding Naxxramas and Ulduar, have all been great in continuing the story left off from Warcraft 3, as well as now concluding it.

I don't understand your gripe with "random travelers" defeating the Lich King. Throughout your questing and raiding experience in Northrend, the game makes it obvious to you that you are a hero for the Alliance/Horde. You are practically are major figure to your faction, the same you view Illidan, KJ, and Arthas.

Azeroth isn't earth and Arthas wasn't the most powerful being... but yea the WoW expansions ruined the 2 villians they spent the entire game building up in WC3 Arthas and Illidan.

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[QUOTE="Birdy09"]Whoa a villian actually died? THIS WAS NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN!? So what? theres a new lich king now, get over it. and he wasnt the most powerful, where does it ever state that?hexashadow13

At the end of WarCraft 3, is pretty much a given fact, he was stronger than Jain, than Thrall, than Sylvanas, than Illidian.

The thing is that i feel they build a great character and they let him died in a very simplistic way.

Anyway, to the people who plays WoW, what do you like about the game?

I've been a fan of Warcraft Lore for awhile now with Arthas being my favorite lore figure. I'm very pleased to have experienced the assault on Icecrown Citadel and partaking in the death of the Lich King. Wrath of the Lich King has been out for nearly two years now, and the journey of questing through Northrend, raiding Naxxramas and Ulduar, have all been great in continuing the story left off from Warcraft 3, as well as now concluding it.

I don't understand your gripe with "random travelers" defeating the Lich King. Throughout your questing and raiding experience in Northrend, the game makes it obvious to you that you are a hero for the Alliance/Horde. You are practically are major figure to your faction, the same you view Illidan, KJ, and Arthas.

ZeldaMaster32

[QUOTE="Birdy09"]Whoa a villian actually died? THIS WAS NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN!? So what? theres a new lich king now, get over it. and he wasnt the most powerful, where does it ever state that?madsnakehhh

At the end of WarCraft 3, is pretty much a given fact, he was stronger than Jain, than Thrall, than Sylvanas, than Illidian.

Yes but the Lich King was created by Kil Jaeden using Ner'zhul's spirit to raise an Undead Army... Arthas is no where near the strongest villian

Azeroth isn't earth and Arthas wasn't the most powerful being... but yea the WoW expansions ruined the 2 villians they spent the entire game building up in WC3 Arthas and Illidan.

Banjo_Kongfooie

I think this is what really bothers me, perhaps i've been expecting WC4 too much.

[QUOTE="Birdy09"]Whoa a villian actually died? THIS WAS NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN!? So what? theres a new lich king now, get over it. and he wasnt the most powerful, where does it ever state that?madsnakehhh

At the end of WarCraft 3, is pretty much a given fact, he was stronger than Jain, than Thrall, than Sylvanas, than Illidian.

world of warcraft has a story? ReaperV7

Believe it or not yes. All people think of when they read/hear the name seems to be those hopelessly addicted/neglecting real life obligations.

World of Warcraft is full of great lore to partake in, it's the best part of the game apart from raiding for me.

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[QUOTE="Birdy09"]Whoa a villian actually died? THIS WAS NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN!? So what? theres a new lich king now, get over it. and he wasnt the most powerful, where does it ever state that?Birdy09

At the end of WarCraft 3, is pretty much a given fact, he was stronger than Jain, than Thrall, than Sylvanas, than Illidian.

Actually, maybe you are right, i'm incredible biased against the genre, that's why i'm also asking what do you like about the game, sure, you won't change my mind, and i won't change anyone's mind, i'm just sharing point of views.

Not to mention the WHOLE POINT of the last battle is that you're the best of the best.ithilgore2006

The lore sequence between phase 3 and [spoiler] Arthas being suspended in the air by the souls from shattered Frostmourne [/spoiler] , as well as the music playing during/after is probably one of my favorite moments in ANY game.

[QUOTE="Birdy09"][QUOTE="madsnakehhh"]

At the end of WarCraft 3, is pretty much a given fact, he was stronger than Jain, than Thrall, than Sylvanas, than Illidian.

madsnakehhh

Actually, maybe you are right, i'm incredible biased against the genre, that's why i'm also asking what do you like about the game, sure, you won't change my mind, and i won't change anyone's mind, i'm just sharing point of views.

Lore died after classic Wow

[QUOTE="ReaperV7"]world of warcraft has a story? ZeldaMaster32

Believe it or not yes. All people think of when they read/hear the name seems to be those hopelessly addicted/neglecting real life obligations.

World of Warcraft is full of great lore to partake in, it's the best part of the game apart from raiding for me.

best thing about WoW was pwning nubs. Everquest had infinitely better raiding.

but the people who played WoW sucked so bad, i felt like a god in pvp.

If anyone here played EverQuest, it followed a very similar development path with it's lore. It started out well, for a time the world really was rich and quite believable lore wise, and progressed with expansions. It was fine up until Planes of Power, like the 6th expansion or something - when you actually nailed nearly all the gods as raid targets. From there it really went downhill very very quickly.

I was just talking to my friend a couple days back how they're wrapping up all the wow lore and killing off all the notable villans. Haven't played SC2 yet but hopefully they don't do the same.

Didnt this happen like months ago with that new dungeon where you finaly beat him and he dies, then that other dude became the lich king?

The WoW developer team changed since vanilla. They want to take the game into their own direction.

And yes, it does feel like lore is getting r---ed, and yes, if they ever think of WC4, it's probably going to start from TFT's end, not from WoW's line.

Mograine

I think WC4 would be about Garrosh & his altercations with the Horde, Sylvanas going off with the Forsaken & becoming 'evil' (essentially the new 'scourge' race of WC4) & Varian taking the Alliance to full scale war with the Horde. Jaina will probably oppose Varian, Vol'gin will try to assassinate Garrosh, but I doubt he will actually kill him because Saurfang has said he would if Garrosh went too far, & Blizzard know the fans love Saurfang. Maybe Saurfang will lead the Horde, that would be sweet. Maybe Bolvar will use the Scourge to help against the forsaken or something.

Or maybe the new lore will be killed off in another WoW expansion. I wouldn't mind if it was done well. It's just sad knowing that Illidan is a level 70 raid boss, while everyone will be 85.

They did Arthas fantastic justice. An entire expansion devoted purely to him, which the final battle involving ALL major lore characters (Jaina and Sylvanis specifically have HUGE roles to play) as well as the fact that you do not kill him - he beats you. He dies, but thats not by the players hands. His death sequence is also super cool.

Really, No shame on blizzard at all. They did great.

[QUOTE="rzepak"]

So what the whiners are saying is that the lore should just stop becouse you like Arthas? The Warcraft Universe belongs to Blizzard they can do anything they want to with it. It would be boring to have the same arch enemy for years. No one lives forever and nor should they. Arthas's leaves a vacant spot for another evil being to emerge thus pushing the story forward.

madsnakehhh

Well, after hours and hours of the same, sure it's boring, but for the ones that actually cared for the story, is really disappointing.

Unfortuantely your a minority, if you check the boards, 99% are pve mechanics or pvp related.. Very rarely do they have anything to do with the story.... I for one don't understand why some one who is interested in story and narrative, would think an MMO would be a real good choice..

How is it a betrayal and why would it stop WarCraft IV from being made? That's silly as the story still goes on. I'm surprised you find that upsetting if you don't even like the game.Ibacai

I think is finally hitting me (yep, after so many years) the WarCraft i knew is gone, the franchise i use to love is now a MMORPG, i've been waiting for WC4 since i finish TFT and it looks like i'm going to have to wait a lot, lot more, the thing that bother me is that, when/if a new WC4 appear, i'm going to know nothing on the new characters and all.

They did Arthas fantastic justice. An entire expansion devoted purely to him, which the final battle involving ALL major lore characters (Jaina and Sylvanis specifically have HUGE roles to play) as well as the fact that you do not kill him - he beats you. He dies, but thats not by the players hands. His death sequence is also super cool.

Really, No shame on blizzard at all. They did great.

Cali3350

Jaina and slyvanas have no roles to play in terms of arthas demise.

i dont even play WoW but wtf
They better have something to fix this in WC4NintendoNite

I don't understand what there is to fix.

There was no way Arthas could have come back. If he did, it would have been stupid.

He had to die.

[QUOTE="Cali3350"]

They did Arthas fantastic justice. An entire expansion devoted purely to him, which the final battle involving ALL major lore characters (Jaina and Sylvanis specifically have HUGE roles to play) as well as the fact that you do not kill him - he beats you. He dies, but thats not by the players hands. His death sequence is also super cool.

Really, No shame on blizzard at all. They did great.

Espada12

Jaina and slyvanas have no roles to play in terms of arthas demise.

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

[QUOTE="Cali3350"]

They did Arthas fantastic justice. An entire expansion devoted purely to him, which the final battle involving ALL major lore characters (Jaina and Sylvanis specifically have HUGE roles to play) as well as the fact that you do not kill him - he beats you. He dies, but thats not by the players hands. His death sequence is also super cool.

Really, No shame on blizzard at all. They did great.

jeffwulf

Jaina and slyvanas have no roles to play in terms of arthas demise.

All games have mo purpose other than passing the time. I don't understand the millions of people that play WOW all day, skipping social gatherings and living life! If they died tomorrow, I bet they regret their life! Probably because they didn't level up their 8th character to 70 yet! :lol: BodyElite

And yet here you are on an internet forum posting about people who are playing a game, which is worse? every single person on this board is guilty of using their spare time gaming when they could be doing something that somebody else would claim is a more beneficial use of their time, who are any of us to tell people what they should be doing though?

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[QUOTE="Cali3350"]

They did Arthas fantastic justice. An entire expansion devoted purely to him, which the final battle involving ALL major lore characters (Jaina and Sylvanis specifically have HUGE roles to play) as well as the fact that you do not kill him - he beats you. He dies, but thats not by the players hands. His death sequence is also super cool.

Really, No shame on blizzard at all. They did great.

jeffwulf

Jaina and slyvanas have no roles to play in terms of arthas demise.

Again... no part to play in his demise...... they only do something in halls of reflection and fail the one thing they are tasked to do, then they turn around and not even ENTER icecrown citadel.. what the hell did they come for then? Slyvanas so full of hate and anger at the lich king doesn't even enter his lair? Then turns around and takes no part in the final battle? Are you serious? At least with illidan all the key players were there.. akama and Maiev Shadowsong. There was some sort of closure for them.. but with arthas? Nada.. they didn't even see his body.

At this point I think it's safe to assume the majority of people complaining about it have never played WoW, and simply read a short summary of the ending of Wrath of the Lich King. ithilgore2006

Please don't go there, I've more than likely been playing WoW longer than you.

I've been a fan of Warcraft Lore for awhile now with Arthas being my favorite lore figure. I'm very pleased to have experienced the assault on Icecrown Citadel and partaking in the death of the Lich King. Wrath of the Lich King has been out for nearly two years now, and the journey of questing through Northrend, raiding Naxxramas and Ulduar, have all been great in continuing the story left off from Warcraft 3, as well as now concluding it.

I don't understand your gripe with "random travelers" defeating the Lich King. Throughout your questing and raiding experience in Northrend, the game makes it obvious to you that you are a hero for the Alliance/Horde. You are practically are major figure to your faction, the same you view Illidan, KJ, and Arthas.

ZeldaMaster32

Can't speak for madsnake, but for me, it's an innate problem with non-persistent MMO's: The feeling that you're not the one or one of the few and only, but just one of the many who've killed someone or something on multiple occassions. In reality, the same applies to just about every single game ever made, but the way MMO's are structured constantly reinforces that fact with the emphasis on gear grinding in order to remain capable of playing to the best of your ability when the next enemy comes around.

Said emphasis also makes it incredibly difficult for newer players who want to join in on the fun. "Want to go to Icecrown Citadel? Sorry, first you have to slave away in some old raid that we ground beyond the plane of existence. Oh, and you can only do it once a week. Have fun!"

I agree that Blizzard has done a terrible job continuing the Warcraft story in WoW. All they seem to be able to do is set up huge lore characters to be killed by a raid. Did Illidan and Arthas really have to die? I'm sure Deathwing will soon follow at the end of Cataclysm.

I agree that Blizzard has done a terrible job continuing the Warcraft story in WoW. All they seem to be able to do is set up huge lore characters to be killed by a raid. Did Illidan and Arthas really have to die? I'm sure Deathwing will soon follow at the end of Cataclysm.

Juken7

the only thing that I just don't really like is that a boss comes big and bad.... then gets killed then a new boss arrises... gets killed and then another boss arrises...

What??... are they (bosses) waiting in a boss waiting room thill their number comes up?? Sorry Deathwing you will have to wait till Yogg-Saron and Lich King are dead THEN you can make a comeback.... k...lets see whos next after your defeated...

the only thing that I just don't really like is that a boss comes big and bad.... then gets killed then a new boss arrises... gets killed and then another boss arrises...

What??... are they (bosses) waiting in a boss waiting room thill their number comes up?? Sorry Deathwing you will have to wait till Yogg-Saron and Lich King are dead THEN you can make a comeback.... k...lets see whos next after your defeated...

Ravenlore_basic

That has nothing to do with lore and more to do with game design.

[QUOTE="ithilgore2006"]

At this point I think it's safe to assume the majority of people complaining about it have never played WoW, and simply read a short summary of the ending of Wrath of the Lich King. Espada12

Please don't go there, I've more than likely been playing WoW longer than you.

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

[QUOTE="ithilgore2006"]

At this point I think it's safe to assume the majority of people complaining about it have never played WoW, and simply read a short summary of the ending of Wrath of the Lich King. ithilgore2006

Please don't go there, I've more than likely been playing WoW longer than you.

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