'I never said the NX won't be as powerful as PS4'

99% of all statistics are made up.

It shouldn't really be that expensive on Nintendo's part to acquire an AMD APU about as powerful as the PS4 for a 2016-2017 release.

$249.99 is about what I expect the NX to cost.

Also, power isn't going to matter for a console that only gets Nintendo games. Nintendo games aren't exactly hardware pushers.

lol at video game journalism.

The NES, SNES, N64 and Gamecube most definitely tried to compete against the competition in terms of hardware. Only recently have Nintendo held back in regards to how powerful their consoles are compared to the competition.

NX WILL NOT be on par or even within range of PS4.

It's likely going to have a UI overhaul, achievements system, new controller yet retaining backwards functionality with previous revisions, new ips and that's all.

Nothing for Sony to worry about. Much for Microsoft to panic about.

@charizard1605: The gap between the wiis generation and the wii u's generation is exactly the same though. One full generation behind. The wii u struggles with some last gen games even. He hinted that the power would not be too far behind, but it was. It was another cheap console that couldn't handle the multiplats.

Isn't the internet a wonderful place? :)

Don't be surprised when Sony follows suit.

Cpu wise, but the gap is smaller everywhere else. It has the same amount of Edram as Xbox one. Wii didn't even have programmable shaders.

It's true that games like assassins creed and black ops 2 perform worse due to the CPU, but graphically Wii U is around twice 360's capability. For the games Nintendo makes on Wii U, the cpu isn't a factor.

Nope.

PS4 is still more powerful, the end.

I know you will be here to evoke the fear, uncertainty, and disinformation like all the rest of the lems were doing til Sony shut ya'll down at E3 2013.

Please cowgenja, Sony will eventually do it. Hell, they filed a patent specifically for it. Don't be ignorant your whole life.

I knew he was a dirty liar.

"But since you're asking, it won't be."

Because PS4 is powerful? Because PS4 is 9th gen? Not looking good for NX...

im fascinated to see what nintendo do here.

i think the one and only safe thing we can assume is that the hardware will be designed and chosen based on 2 things

1) price (duh)

2) the requirements of nintendos, and only nintendos developers.

the brass are going to be thinking about development costs and such like and nitnendo is not the kind of company to spend 100million quid on a games development generally. doen't happen and its not going to happen.

so putting the equivalent of bleeding edge PC technology into their console is pointless. they wont have a use for it.

itll be interesting to see what they do.

im not convinced they will go x86 for example. i think itll be ARM for the CPU. they may even be looking a taking mobile GPU tech and ramping it up a lot instead of using a desktop based GPU (this is unlikely but dont completely rule it out). i know AMD have mentioned that they have scored another console deal but there was also strong rumors that the 3DS would be using an Nvidia GPU......didnt happen. AMD also never said who the deal was with...may have been for the smach zero.

this is the great thing about nintendo....they are bonkers in a very sane and rational way :P.

'Nintendo is not purposefully building weak hardware'. What the **** was the Wii and Wii U then?

Nintendo produce junk hardware because the games they make with kiddy cartoony graphics don't need powerful hardware to run. I'm amazed they are bothering to release new hardware at all before the end of current gen.

In fact I still wouldn't be surprised if NX turns out to be a handheld or some stupid gimmicky device and not a proper console.

@blueinheaven: Its a old strategy used by Gunpei Yokoi, the father of GameBoy. Use existing technology and use it in interesting ways. Apple does the same thing with the iproducts. Its just that gamers seem to think that specs make better games today. And in my opinion that way of thinking is destroying gaming.

You're right about Nintendo and their specs, back in the day.

However....... since Generation 7, Nintendo has been very secret and (moronically) clandestine over their specs with the Wii and have never publicly released any final details about their consoles, as recent as the WiiU.

If gamers thought like that nobody would be buying the dung indie devs are shovelling out on every platform. Nintendo are banking on this too, make great games on junk hardware and nobody will care. That's all well and good just don't complain when devs who want to push graphics technology ignore your platform completely and you are left with tons of Mario and Zelda games and not much else.

It's also true that games are not automatically 'bad' because they look fantastic, no matter how much the indie hipsters will tell you otherwise. If I worked for Nintendo I would suggest they put out a half decent console not a piece of shit then they can have the best of both worlds. I am sure Nintendo fans won't complain if the next console has Mario and Zelda games with amazing graphics AND gameplay.

Has backwards compatibility been confirmed? unlike my PS4/X1 ... I will likely actually play these gems in the future.

I guess you missed how good they look on Wii U already.

I'm not saying they look bad now, I'm saying it won't hurt if they look a lot better. They look as good as is possible on the hardware they were developed for. The art direction is also determined to an extent by hardware limitations.

The NX will be "9th gen" so it would want to be more powerful than the 8th gen systems, wouldn't it.

Better hardware and specs do make better games possible, that's simple fact. Nintendo pushed specs for decades and no one was complaining.

Were you crying when Ocarina of Time released that the series should have stayed 2D? Or to use a more recent example, were you angry that Mario Kart 8 looked so gorgeous, had so much content, and allowed online play? Should it have stayed as a pixelated, offline 2 player SNES game?

Some folks seem happy playing the exact same rehashed 2d platformers and minigames that over and over again, with zero progress in design, world, AI or physics, and fair enough to them, if they want to continue playing SNES/N64 level games in 2015 that's fine. But don't pretend technological progress is hurting or "destroying" anything.

Most genres are better than ever, and entirely new ones created, because of how powerful our modern day tech is. Long may it continue.

Btw, if specs don't matter, why don't Nintendo just stick to supporting WiiU? Or hell, even Wii?

And they will look a lot better. Nintendo found a business model that let's them have a traditional generational leap (after Wii), and at the same time the hardware is efficient, built to last and won't melt through the floor.

Will NX be hugely superior to PS4? No, but just being able to compare it to Ps4 is a huge increase for Nintendo games.

Nintendo isn't the company that makes "junk" hardware.

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I'll add that the reasons for developers wanting to opt out of making games on Nintendo consoles continues to shrink from a hardware perspective. With Wii, it was hugely underpowered compared to the 360 in every area, and lacked programmable shaders. Wii U has programmable shaders, more memory (even as much eDRAM as Xbone) and a gpu that is much closer to Xbox one than Wii's was to 360. But the CPU is still very lacking.

The NX will automatically have a generational leap in CPU power, putting it above Ps4. So cross that off of developer's issue list.

Yeah but when that res gap was present weren't there usually also worse fps than on the xbox, kinda proving that the gap isn't as big as simply 900p vs 1080p?

No because there are plenty of examples of the framerate being the same or slightly better on Ps4 with that resolution difference. Which is why I said "if both versions got the best treatment."

For example, Metro Redux, Wolfenstein, The Phantom Pain etc. etc. share that resolution difference but have the same or better framerate on Ps4.

If a resolution difference is present, and a game performs better on Xbox one it's usually minor, and the same can be said on better performing Ps4 games. Even if you wouldn't call it minor, they're simply developer issues.

@Chozofication: Huh, interesting. The gap is even larger than I believed these past 2 years.

It's not like I was ever considering getting an Xbox One anyways XD

Me either which is why I hope MS keeps putting exclusive games and hopefully Scalebound on PC :P

Unless this is going to be Nintendo's last home console(I assume NX will have a home console segment) it better have more than just Nintendo games this time. Multiplats rule now.

Better specs do make better games. MGS V on U? Would it be possible? Specs give better A.I., load times, higher fidelity, and overall more creative freedom. I fail to see how enabling that freedom is destroying gaming. Seriously, the only reason apologists spout this nonsense is because Nintendo's an advocate of it. If they placed relevance on specs just as much as Sony and MS do, you wouldn't hear one single complaint from Nintendo fans.

Better specs are always preferable to the LCD.

@MirkoS77: If you keep chasing for more expensive tech it will start to cost developers too much money to develop games for it. Also the tech needs to implement new gameplay mechanics or it becomes boring and unhealthy to game the same way without changes. Better tech does not make better games, you have to find the secret balance. That balance will enable one to take risk.

Nintendo has always chased this balance and have never cared for being to most advanced graphics wise. They always create a nice budgeted console to help developers of all financial situations.

There is not room for 3 consoles in the market, and Nintendo are foolish if they think they can enter a generation less than half way through and get support from developers.

It's gonna end up being Wii U 1.5, unless they come up with hardware even PC users would be impressed with, and that's not gonna happen.

Gunpei Yokoi had it right all along. Consoles need restrictions to work within. Thanks to hardware and the expectation of gamers to maximize its potential from the start, games are being delayed, cost more to produce, and more than likely, play it safe to stand a better chance to make a profit, which means its more of the same. Its something that has shown time and again this generation. How many games were delayed because of this expectation of the gamers? And to top it off, gamers are still waiting for a game to show off that is 'Next Gen'. The worst part is that almost all of it could have been done on last gen hardware and cost less. I got a interview from the man himself that describes gaming today perfectly.

"When I ask myself why things are like this today, I wonder if it isn't because we've run out of ideas for games. Recent games take the same basic elements from older games, but slap on characters, improve the graphics and processing speed… basically, they make games through a process of ornamentation. That's where we're at with console games today."

This was said by Gunpei Yokoi back in 1997 before he struck by a car and killed. You gotta ask yourself. Does MGS V really take advantage of everything the system can do? The real answer should be 'It doesn't matter, as long as the game is fun.' Again people are blinded by hardware specs, and not the games themselves. Think about it.

I think you just said it yourself, there is no room for so many consoles doing exactly the same stuff, thats why we need Nintendo to do things different. If not, PC will swallow us all. People want Nintendo to have better certain third party games like GTA, CoD, Madden, etc.

If Nintendo can, they will try to cater to these people also, but dont except Nintendo to just copy the competition, they will set themselves apart to make certain of their survival, they always have, they always will.

'play it safe to stand a better chance to make a profit, which means its more of the same. Its something that has shown time and again this generation'.

Well I'm glad Nintendo completely swerved that by releasing another ton of Mario and Zelda games with childish cartoony graphics completely ignoring that the rest of the world moved on from that 20 years ago.

Thankfully they have at least upgraded the graphics this time very slightly on their incredibly shit hardware which they charge full price for so that's okay.

Its ok if you want to deflect. This is your defense mechanism and I can respect that.

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Sorry pal but you are the one deflecting.

"When I ask myself why things are like this today, I wonder if it isn't because we've run out of ideas for games'.

If he's talking about anyone there, he's talking about Nintendo.

Nintendo's next attempt at a home console is really going to be interesting. If the NX doesn't have a gimmick on the level of the original Wii its going to tank harder than even the Wii U and will be Nintendo's last dedicated home console. No way would they continue making consoles after two consecutive failures.

It's pretty clear that nintendo will likely have a killer software lineup. Just look at the tale end of wiiu. More likely than not all unannounced software got shifted to the new platform. Fzero--why else tie an ip to the most popular wiiu game? Metroid--that 3ds knockoff? Punchout? Mario? Zelda? Based on the public and critical reception of the wiius first year , initial software is likely a top priority.

*Slow Clap*

Are you sure? Because in the years after his passing, games from Nintendo came out like Ocarina of Time, Mario Galaxy, Wii Sports (which became a cultural phenomenon), Pikmin, Splatoon, etc. etc. etc. Nintendo continued to revolutionize and evolve gaming and how gaming is played. You can point the finger at Nintendo all you like. They are still making awesome games and will continue to do so with NX.

Wanna know how Sony evolved gaming? Believe it or not Gunpei Yokoi also spoke the truth about Sony and ND too.

"There's a huge variety of console games out now, but to me, the majority of them aren't actually "games". The word "game" means something competitive, where you can win or you can lose. When I look at recent games, I see that quality has been declining, and what I'm seeing more and more of are games that want to give you the experience of a short story or a movie.

This is most obvious with role-playing games, where the "game" portion isn't the main focus, and I get the feeling that the developers really just want you to experience the story they've written. So when you ask what I think of games today, well, it's a very difficult question for me. I end up having to say that games today just aren't games to me."

Gunpei Yokoi just blew your mind from 1997.

Well since the new Zelda is coming out at some point in 2016, that won't be the showcase game. I could see the NX coming out with a Metroid that could melt my face.

I never said it would be more power.....ahh hell. I hope it is.

Don't forget it took Nintendo 5 years to put out Skyward Sword, and that was with the puny Wii hardware :P They could delay Zelda into 2017 to release it on NX as well as Wii U. We'll see... Heck, we don't even know, NX could come out next year.

But yeah man, we'll definitely get a face melting Metroid on NX. They said Metroid would have to come out on NX and not Wii U, but they might not have even started on it so I doubt it could be a launch title.

I'm actually glad Wii U didn't get a Metroid because that is one Nintendo franchise that could really use better hardware (more realistic style) and plus I wasn't keen on playing it with the gamepad. And it needs to be 60fps of course.

@charizard1605: So either you're trolling (which, ffs Char...) or reading comprehension fail. He never says he was misquoted, and you straight up invented the "quote" you put as the title. He merely goes through how he got the information, and actually reemphasizes that it is still his impression from conversations with insiders that it's a less powerful machine. You're free to draw a different conclusion from the quotes listed. You Are NOT free to re-characterize his own opinion. He states it clearly, and with all caveats covered.

We don't tolerate intentionally misleading threads, (unless rules have changed???). This should be closed.

@speak_low: Having a more balanced console will give Nintendo fans what they want most...more Nintendo games. Sure we want some third party games, but not at the risk of losing Nintendo games. Nintendo doesnt and shouldnt want to be like everyone else, they need to be original and let third party come to them.

But we are in luck, if Nintendo can release a new innovating console and be as powerful as PS4, then we got something to work with. Nintendo has worked miracles with the Wii U, cant wait to see what they do with their nest console, its gone be good.

What Nintendo cant do is chase tech specs like the competition, PC will destroy all that do. PC continues and will continue to grow and eat the competition, you either show your worth or get swallowed whole. Lord Gaben takes no prisoners. Xbox and PS4 better beware, Steam will destroy them soon i think, they dont have the IPs to compete.