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#1 TheMysticHorse
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As soon as this happens, they have to simplify the gameplay for the average 360 owner to actually want to buy the game, just like in Elder Scrolls IV Oblivion, Bioshock etc. That means the PC game also gets dumbed down and thus these games become almost completely inferior to their PC exclusive predecessors.

Too many PC games are getting Xbox'd, and now it is happening to Fallout. It NEEDS to STOP.

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#2 t3hTwinky
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It would stop, but apparently developers really like money.
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#3 PannicAtack
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I am a Hermit, and I disapprove of this thread. >_>
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As soon as this happens, they have to simplify the gameplay for the average 360 owner to actually want to buy the game, just like in Elder Scrolls IV Oblivion, Bioshock etc. That means the PC game also gets dumbed down and thus these games become almost completely inferior to their PC exclusive predecessors.

Too many PC games are getting Xbox'd, and now it is happening to Fallout. It NEEDS to STOP.

TheMysticHorse
It is also on the PS3. Also PC always get the best version so why do you even care.
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#5 Medjai
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It would stop, but apparently developers really like money.t3hTwinky
bingo look at the sales of the 360 version of Bioshock relative to the PCversion.

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#7 PannicAtack
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[QUOTE="t3hTwinky"]It would stop, but apparently developers really like money.Medjai

bingo look at the sales of the 360 version of Bioshock relative to the PCversion.

Which does not include the amount sold via Steam >_>
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#8 Citizen_Zero
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O hell yes they loose money (Less chances of a new game or sequel) and i don't get to play those games. Your wish just sucks!!!
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[QUOTE="t3hTwinky"]It would stop, but apparently developers really like money.Medjai

bingo look at the sales of the 360 version of Bioshock relative to the PCversion.

Worldwide the PC version outsold the 360 version.

I have no idea how or why.

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#10 TheMysticHorse
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O hell yes they loose money (Less chances of a new game or sequel) and i don't get to play those games. Your wish just sucks!!!Citizen_Zero
They would still sell well enough, while retaining the quality they should have.
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#11 naval
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[QUOTE="t3hTwinky"]It would stop, but apparently developers really like money.Medjai

bingo look at the sales of the 360 version of Bioshock relative to the PCversion.

show me the sales ?

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#12 Medjai
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[QUOTE="Medjai"]

[QUOTE="t3hTwinky"]It would stop, but apparently developers really like money.t3hTwinky

bingo look at the sales of the 360 version of Bioshock relative to the PCversion.

Worldwide the PC version outsold the 360 version.

I have no idea how or why.

really thats not what I heard last time I looked the 360 version had sold over a million and the PC version was not even close to that...but I haven't really looked recently maybe that changed
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#13 DragonfireXZ95
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[QUOTE="TheMysticHorse"]

As soon as this happens, they have to simplify the gameplay for the average 360 owner to actually want to buy the game, just like in Elder Scrolls IV Oblivion, Bioshock etc. That means the PC game also gets dumbed down and thus these games become almost completely inferior to their PC exclusive predecessors.

Too many PC games are getting Xbox'd, and now it is happening to Fallout. It NEEDS to STOP.

too_much_eslim

It is also on the PS3. Also PC always get the best version so why do you even care.

No he is right in some ways. Look at Crysis, in my opinion, this game is better than all of the multiplats I have played. Why? Because the game is different from them? that's not the only reason. The devs aimed to please us Hardcore PC gamers, the game is harder than any console port game I have played, and I love it, I'm playing on hard and it's actually a challenge. The graphics are just amazing, Call of Duty 4's kind of sucked and that's some of the best that consoles have put out. The controls and gameplay were designed solely for the keyboard and mouse. It just plays amazingly. All of this excludes Gears of War, because that port is awesome on the PC. Great controls, better graphics than it's console counterpart, Although Epic really knows how to cater to it's PC players. Except for multiplayer but that's because Microsoft are greedy $^@&*#es. I can see why Microsoft picked one of their main colors as green, it's because they feed on money.

Oblivion was pretty damn fun on PC don't get me wrong, but it also was really easy, had some problems like the inventory/level up menus and such. But mods fixed this so I guess it's not all bad, but Vanilla Oblivion wasn't the best.

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#14 Dahaka-UK
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Theres not much reason in owning a PC, PS3, and 360 if every if not most games are going to be multiplat, I couldn't care for developers wanting to earn money, good for them but it's not helping gaming as a hole if theres no choice between the consoles.

If most games are going to be multiplat now there may aswell be only 1 console.

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#15 Grive
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As soon as this happens, they have to simplify the gameplay for the average 360 owner to actually want to buy the game, just like in Elder Scrolls IV Oblivion, Bioshock etc. That means the PC game also gets dumbed down and thus these games become almost completely inferior to their PC exclusive predecessors.

Too many PC games are getting Xbox'd, and now it is happening to Fallout. It NEEDS to STOP.

TheMysticHorse

No, they're doing it because people ain't buying your non-dumbed down games. It's not getting Xbox'd it's getting consumerized.

Remind me how well did the exclusive System Shock 2 sell.

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[QUOTE="Citizen_Zero"]O hell yes they loose money (Less chances of a new game or sequel) and i don't get to play those games. Your wish just sucks!!!TheMysticHorse
They would still sell well enough, while retaining the quality they should have.



I went out on a limb with the (Less Chance of a new game or sequel) but your statement isa pure assumption. Sure it has happened in the past a few times, even then it was only players opinions that said the gameplay was dubbed down. There is no way for any of them to know if the game could have been any different (unless a dev's stated so) As for Graphics PC always wins there it's a no brainier.

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#17 turgore
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As soon as this happens, they have to simplify the gameplay for the average 360 owner to actually want to buy the game, just like in Elder Scrolls IV Oblivion, Bioshock etc. That means the PC game also gets dumbed down and thus these games become almost completely inferior to their PC exclusive predecessors.

Too many PC games are getting Xbox'd, and now it is happening to Fallout. It NEEDS to STOP.

TheMysticHorse

More people enjoy it if it's simplified. Well look here , I wouldn't have bought Oblivion if it wasn't as user friendly as it is . The score they get from reviews are still high so it's not doing them any bad.

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[QUOTE="t3hTwinky"]It would stop, but apparently developers really like money.Medjai

bingo look at the sales of the 360 version of Bioshock relative to the PCversion.

Exactly.....Also have a look at how well OB sold on X360 compared to that on PC
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That really prettymuch sums up what's been happening since like 2003. Rainbow6, Ghost Recon, Elder Scrolls.... prettymuch wrecked the franchises completely dumbing them down for consoles.
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#20 Dahaka-UK
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Since when was simplifying and dumbing games down a good thing even for casuals? So casuals like buying crappy games ones with hardly any depth at all?
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#21 Jelle87
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All games are being simplified, I agree though, Bioshock had no challenge or depth (LOL) whatsoever. I don't see why it has to have baby simple controls when it isn't that hard to make decent menu's that can be handled well with a controller. Not to mention the non existing difficulty level.
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Cry me a river?
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Write a letter to Santa. Or e-mail.
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Pfff i can't believe You people don't care about game-quality.
The games suffer from porting.
Should porting stop? Imo not. But they should pay more attention to the individual versions of ports.
If porting becomes completely standard (or is it already?) i don't see it end anytime soon though.
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[QUOTE="Medjai"]

[QUOTE="t3hTwinky"]It would stop, but apparently developers really like money.froidnite

bingo look at the sales of the 360 version of Bioshock relative to the PCversion.

Exactly.....Also have a look at how well OB sold on X360 compared to that on PC

You do know, the OB has sold twice as many copies on the PC then on the Xbox (excluding online sales), right?

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#28 Corvin
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So get some mods. Oblivion alone has enough mods on PC that can change the game and GUI that it is completely different from the console versions.
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All games are being simplified, I agree though, Bioshock had no challenge or depth (LOL) whatsoever. I don't see why it has to have baby simple controls when it isn't that hard to make decent menu's that can be handled well with a controller. Not to mention the non existing difficulty level.Jelle87

I agree that Bioshock is a bit too simple but isn't the point of interactive entertainment to make what you will of it. The game has no death penalty, why not challenge yourself to avoid dying. It's sort of an oxymoron, the penalty for dying is that you don't come back, except you come back in this game. Seems like an oppertunity to create your own challenge rather than relying on the game to do so.

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[QUOTE="Medjai"]

[QUOTE="t3hTwinky"]It would stop, but apparently developers really like money.froidnite

bingo look at the sales of the 360 version of Bioshock relative to the PCversion.

Exactly.....Also have a look at how well OB sold on X360 compared to that on PC

Show me the sales for online distribution. Oh right, you don't have them.

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#31 naval
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[QUOTE="froidnite"][QUOTE="Medjai"]

[QUOTE="t3hTwinky"]It would stop, but apparently developers really like money.iunderstand

bingo look at the sales of the 360 version of Bioshock relative to the PCversion.

Exactly.....Also have a look at how well OB sold on X360 compared to that on PC

Show me the sales for online distribution. Oh right, you don't have them.

i think the guy was being sarcastic !

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#32 froidnite
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[QUOTE="froidnite"][QUOTE="Medjai"]

[QUOTE="t3hTwinky"]It would stop, but apparently developers really like money.LockeAteid

bingo look at the sales of the 360 version of Bioshock relative to the PCversion.

Exactly.....Also have a look at how well OB sold on X360 compared to that on PC

You do know, the OB has sold twice as many copies on the PC then on the Xbox (excluding online sales), right?

Why is sarcasm so hard to detect in teh interwebs:roll:
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#33 iunderstand
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[QUOTE="LockeAteid"][QUOTE="froidnite"][QUOTE="Medjai"]

[QUOTE="t3hTwinky"]It would stop, but apparently developers really like money.froidnite

bingo look at the sales of the 360 version of Bioshock relative to the PCversion.

Exactly.....Also have a look at how well OB sold on X360 compared to that on PC

You do know, the OB has sold twice as many copies on the PC then on the Xbox (excluding online sales), right?

Why is sarcasm so hard to detect in teh interwebs:roll:

My sarcasm detector uses a hand crank.

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[QUOTE="Jelle87"]All games are being simplified, I agree though, Bioshock had no challenge or depth (LOL) whatsoever. I don't see why it has to have baby simple controls when it isn't that hard to make decent menu's that can be handled well with a controller. Not to mention the non existing difficulty level.Pro_wrestler

I agree that Bioshock is a bit too simple but isn't the point of interactive entertainment to make what you will of it. The game has no death penalty, why not challenge yourself to avoid dying. It's sort of an oxymoron, the penalty for dying is that you don't come back, except you come back in this game. Seems like an oppertunity to create your own challenge rather than relying on the game to do so.

Players are fixing it....they fixed all problems Oblivion had because of it's console roots. Bioshock had a difficulty adjustment mod after a week of it's release.That's not the point...the point is that if developers are going to do multiplats, they should do it in such a way that it caters to each platform's strength
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So get some mods. Oblivion alone has enough mods on PC that can change the game and GUI that it is completely different from the console versions.Corvin
I should be getting mods to make an existing game that wasn't dumbed down even more amazing, not so I can rectify the dumbing down of being Xbox'd. PC Games shouldn't be Xbox'd from the start.
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#36 JiveT
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Hermits your top selling games are Blizzard Chests and Sim expansion packs. If it weren't for consoles and their money making powah you wouldn't even get scraps like Bioshock and Oblivion to whine and complain about.

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#37 white45e
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since when is more complex always more fun ?
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#38 out0v0rder
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Pfff i can't believe You people don't care about game-quality.
The games suffer from porting.
Should porting stop? Imo not. But they should pay more attention to the individual versions of ports.
If porting becomes completely standard (or is it already?) i don't see it end anytime soon though.
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since when is more complex always more fun ?white45e
Since games were Xbox'd/dumbed down so much that they feel like a backstep from their predecessors.
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[QUOTE="Medjai"]

[QUOTE="t3hTwinky"]It would stop, but apparently developers really like money.froidnite

bingo look at the sales of the 360 version of Bioshock relative to the PCversion.

Exactly.....Also have a look at how well OB sold on X360 compared to that on PC

LOL, your kidding right? OB sold WAY more on the PC then X360. People, NORTH AMERICA isn't the only market. In asia and europe, PC is dominant.

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[QUOTE="Medjai"]

[QUOTE="t3hTwinky"]It would stop, but apparently developers really like money.froidnite

bingo look at the sales of the 360 version of Bioshock relative to the PCversion.

Exactly.....Also have a look at how well OB sold on X360 compared to that on PC

lol...the OB sold far more on the PC than on the 360...even in North America....and thats not even including Steam sales..which were huge since anybody with HL2 on their PC, already has Steam.

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[QUOTE="white45e"]since when is more complex always more fun ?TheMysticHorse
Since games were Xbox'd/dumbed down so much that they feel like a backstep from their predecessors.

nah oblivion well "dumbeddown" was more fun then morrowind as 1 example

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#43 Chipp
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I completely agree with the TC, look at what happened with the Rainbow6 and Ghost Recon franchise. They are consolized and made for casual players. No longer do you need to employ tactics to win, but merely run and gun. Rainbow6 was one of my favoirte fps, when they *simplified* it or consolized it, it became a shell of what it once was. The more consoles become mini PCs the more PC only games we will lose.
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[QUOTE="TheMysticHorse"][QUOTE="white45e"]since when is more complex always more fun ?white45e

Since games were Xbox'd/dumbed down so much that they feel like a backstep from their predecessors.

nah oblivion well "dumbeddown" was more fun then morrowind as 1 example

:| Less depth = more fun? Sure.
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[QUOTE="LockeAteid"][QUOTE="froidnite"][QUOTE="Medjai"]

[QUOTE="t3hTwinky"]It would stop, but apparently developers really like money.froidnite

bingo look at the sales of the 360 version of Bioshock relative to the PCversion.

Exactly.....Also have a look at how well OB sold on X360 compared to that on PC

You do know, the OB has sold twice as many copies on the PC then on the Xbox (excluding online sales), right?

Why is sarcasm so hard to detect in teh interwebs:roll:

Because sarcasm is a vocal oriented way of expressing an opinion and is an extremely hard to detect in written form, on top of the fact you've written in the one medium where all the ingorant boobs of the world gather to express their otherwise insignificant opinions to other ignorant people.

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#46 Gunraidan
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TC this is nothing new, this has been going on for years.

Do any of these games look familiar?

Console gaming has been casualing PC games for years and don't even get me started on stuff like auto-aim and the lot. All this is happeneing while those on the boards actually praise these games and accuse the Wii for being too casual and destroying the industry.

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#47 CwlHeddwyn
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[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"][QUOTE="TheMysticHorse"]

As soon as this happens, they have to simplify the gameplay for the average 360 owner to actually want to buy the game, just like in Elder Scrolls IV Oblivion, Bioshock etc. That means the PC game also gets dumbed down and thus these games become almost completely inferior to their PC exclusive predecessors.

Too many PC games are getting Xbox'd, and now it is happening to Fallout. It NEEDS to STOP.

TheMysticHorse

It is also on the PS3. Also PC always get the best version so why do you even care.

Getting the best version of an Xbox'd game is like winning the special olympics.

the paralympics is actually a fully respectable sporting event- why so americans make fun of it? seems to show a lot about you

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[QUOTE="t3hTwinky"]It would stop, but apparently developers really like money.Medjai

bingo look at the sales of the 360 version of Bioshock relative to the PCversion.

I'm fairly certain that BioShock PC sold more copies of the Xbox version in Europe. The US isn't the only gaming market you know. You also have to realize that they don't count digital distribution, which is a HUGE factor in sales........

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#49 TheMysticHorse
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360 being the leading system isn't only killing PC games, it is also killing game variety in general with all the gimped shooting games. 360 is a game destruction device.
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#50 JiveT
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[QUOTE="froidnite"][QUOTE="Medjai"]

[QUOTE="t3hTwinky"]It would stop, but apparently developers really like money.WhySoCry

bingo look at the sales of the 360 version of Bioshock relative to the PCversion.

Exactly.....Also have a look at how well OB sold on X360 compared to that on PC

LOL, your kidding right? OB sold WAY more on the PC then X360. People, NORTH AMERICA isn't the only market. In asia and europe, PC is dominant.

Its not that I don't doubt you but what's a good source for PC software sales and does STEAM release their sales figures?