If 2080ti's drop to $300, consoles will be in even more trouble

so now current gen games will look better on these gpu than next gen games running on the ps5?

so why go next gen if current gen games look better than next gen games right?

forget the ssd? that is the best part of next gen systems. i hate load times and hate waiting to load every time you die.

so how much is a cpu that is the same as the ps5 and series x?

how much or can you even buy a i/o decompression blocks and dma controllers as these next gen machine. nope you need a 3000 series for this. they have decompression blocks.

thats the thing you can have a rtx 2080 but the decompression is done on a cpu taking up your cpu while next gen systems and 3000 gpu decompress with out the cpu.

Stop man building a PC that beat the PS5 will cost you more,hell an ssd as fast as the PS5 one will land you in $200 or close just the ssd.

There is no way,a GPU on its own serves for nothing,the PS5 is a complete system so is the XSX.

And then there is the fact that this suggested retail prices are never met,and are always for the bare bones models,soon after you will have 5 more models of the same card going over that suggest retail price even more.

There is a 99% chance that you will not pay $500 for a 3070 and will end paying more toward $600 than $500 and that is the first model,not the multiple flavors and OC models with more ram.

Exactly.

I think even more as of now there are 2060 models that go almost for $500,the founders edition go for $474,so i don't see how the 3060 can go for $300 either.

This suggested prices are mostly make believe prices at least for the first 18 months or so,now you can get a cheap 2060 for like $330 which still is on over $300,i think this prices are mostly fake so that GPU makers save face,it matter little if Nvidia say the price will be $500 and you end paying $590 or $640.

https://www.newegg.com/p/1FT-0004-005B8?Description=rtx%202060&cm_re=rtx_2060-_-9SIA6V69HV2187-_-Product

I assume TC is talking about the used GPU market cause ever since Nvidia announce the RTX 3000 series, the used GPU market is now flooded with used 2080Ti between $400-$600 now and finding one for $480 is a good deal but a bad idea at the same time. If your smart, you'll wait for RTX 3070 for $500 cause "Turning" tech is 2/3 years old and Ampere is a much better tech. Overall, Nvidia really shook the Used market GPU and everyone is trying to sell their 2080Ti as it is. Again, don't buy, wait for 3000 series.

Despite I'm PC gamer fanatic, even I know better not every gamer is into PC and that's okay, no shame really. We PC gamers respect that and consoles & PC have there place in the gaming world after all.

This is a pretty good pc-builder in my country:

https://www.webhallen.com/se/campaign/4619-Webhallen-Config

$1 = 8,78 SEK

Then I have to buy a screen, mouse, kb, gamepad, headset. All in all perhaps 22k SEK. That is about $2500. (They charge $100 to build it for you, you can pick any parts you want).

Ps4 pro: https://www.webhallen.com/se/product/246586-Playstation-4-Pro-Konsol-PS4-Pro-1TB

About $500. And I guess Ps5 will be just slightly more expensive than that.

So PC gaming is about five times more expensive. These numbers are from reality and not from the fantasy land of hermit imagination.

For the 13th time. RTXIO works with the 2000 series. Stop talking about things you have no clue about.

Not really. People aren't gonna do the math like you did and base their purchase on the result. I think most console gamers just don't want a gaming PC. Cheaper GPUs should probably spawn more PC gamers indeed, but it's not going to make console gamers flock to gaming PCs all of a sudden.

PS5 will be fine, since its' success is already locked, unless Sony royally fucks something up. People will buy that thing on autopilot to play their latest FIFA and CoD. Xbox will probably sell pretty badly.

When a 2080ti drops to $300, you let me know.

congrats nvidia !! Us console gamers are doomed!

If you're playing on a 1080p TV (and it seems most console gamers are) you don't need one of these new Nvidia cards. You don't even need a next gen console for all the difference you'll get.

4K TV/monitor owners are a different proposition. Next gen consoles aren't going to reach 4K 60fps without huge sacrifices and a lot of devs won't even bother trying. That's why you want more TFLOPS and more powerful GPU's. The games you mentioned look good but are all capped at 30fps even on PS4 Pro. That's kind of pathetic in 2020. Also, just like console, the 'most popular games on PC' are multiplats and that's where you'll get a huge benefit over playing on console.

Cyberpunk, AC Valhalla, Watchdogs Legion etc they'll all perform much better and look much, much better on a PC with a 3080 or even a 3070 card. Of course if you don't care about graphics in 4K and/or are happy to settle for 30fps in games like this that's absolutely fine but a lot of people aren't and that's why sales for these cards are going to go through the roof.

I'm amazed you claim to have a PC yet haven't the slightest clue how they work.

Their success is based on the price the sell the consoles for.

Like you mention console gamer's don't care about PC and to them even a $1K is too much, look at the sales of the PS3 vs PS4.

How Sony prices their consoles will determine their sales, its not locked at all, nothing in life is.

Judging by how neither of the companies want to show their price yet makes sense, last thing they want during a pandemic where people are losing jobs is to reveal a console price with a 30% mark up compared to the prior generation.

A $499+ console NOW in during this covid situation with job losses everywhere the console market is not going to respond well and the sales will show.

I have a feeling they might be forced to take a loss on hardware and sell the PS5 for $399.

so 2000 series data goes straight to the gpu that the 3000 decompression block does?

so the 2000 does not need a cpu to decompress data coming off the ssd or hdd that goes straight to the gpu? i thought that was new?

2000 can bypass the cpu?

Just asking these questions proves you did 0 research into RTXIO and you are talking out your ass.

Trying to cherry pick parts to lower the price to $800 while assuming the consoles will be $600 instead of a more likely $500 doesn't prove a thing. The problem that most PC gamers don't understand is that for a lot of console gamers price has absolutely nothing to do with their decision in the first place.

While my edit is true, you'll note that most of the ongoing threads surrounding the new gpus include console games making the very argument: "yeah well it will cost pc gamers $___" or "yeah well show me a PS5 powered PC for only $___". The fixation is completely on price in the discussion from at least a noisy segment of the console-only community here

I doubt it. Console gamers tend to be happy with their consoles and what they offer. It may pull some away, but I think the majority will stay where they are.

I don't care if it was $1. I still prefer gaming on a console.

Not true... At all the mass majority of consoles sold are sold to parents for kids.

The $599 price point is the reason why it sold so bad compared to a PS4 and the reason why the Wii sold as much as it did.

Price has everything to do with the success of a console in the mass market along with marketing.

Before you say your just talking about gamers I will respond with Do you really think if Nintendo had three Wii U sales in a row they would still be around?... Console market depends on mass sales to casual gamers and price is a HUGE factor.

Consoles wouldn't exist without casual gamers, PC market sells products with profit margins not at a loss and thus can survive and even thrive off of the core community.

Why do you think Sony is selling games to PC gamers now?... Is it because that 110 million out there are mostly casuals and their actual sales of games are poor and can't cover the cost to make those games?... Interesting.

I swear you people need to stop spinning things, these industries almost collapsed for a reason... They NEED the casual market, they will be dead without them.

This whole PC vs Console in prices is just stupid in my opinion. Gaming PC is in its own realm, prices always varies and you get what you paid for. Always has, always will be.

they wont so its kinda pointless discussion, the cards are still expensive to make, they wont sell them for pennies, so they'll just discontinue it

I understand your sentiment, but just making a money per value thread doesn't always equate to it being about not having the money or not wanting to spend that kind of money. For me price has never been the issue. I just prefer playing games on consoles.

Others that complain about price are full of shit.. lol. They just use that as an excuse since they can't come up with anything better. I have a list a mile long why I prefer console gaming over PC gaming, but I also do some PC gaming, and I also have a few things I wish consoles had that are pretty commonplace on PC.

Lol ... every single year since i've been on this site Hermits like to pretend their little GPU sales matter in the real world.

Oh well, another year another Hermit trying to justify his purchase.

You need to bring yourself up to speed from before 2010.

Your constant downplaying seems like damage control.

Bingo. That is my point. It's not like someone can't get into PC gaming at the same rate of price as console gaming. The problem is that you get what you pay for.

That is one of the biggest reasons I easily prefer console gaming more. It isn't because I can't afford a high end PC, but rather because I like to be on par with everyone else (whether that be low end or high end).

One could easily buy an entry level PC and have performance issues or get smacked by others playing on $5k+ rigs, but I don't have to worry about that for the most part with a console (other than damn mid gen refresh trash... and yes, I upgraded both.. lol).

That's the thing, if I ever get a full blown gaming PC I would want to get something with ALL the bells and whistles and it would likely cost an obscene amount of money since I would buy one custom built with parts I picked. That is the reason I haven't.. not because I can't afford it, but because it doesn't make much sense to me. Anything worth doing is worth doing right in my opinion, so I would want a top of the line PC. Then as I played I would have to constantly wonder if I was at an advantage over my competition... screw that I'll just stick with consoles until they come pre-packaged with a m/kb. Then there won't be any reason to not entirely switch over though.

I've always said that one day I'll either have a gaming PC that will make people question my sanity or just quit the future of gaming and just stick to whatever I already have or collect.

Yup that's all it is. Hermits spend $1500 on a PC to outperform $500 consoles.

I wonder what these insecure dorks do when someone passes them by on the street in a nicer car than they drive.

I can only speak for myself. I have been a console gamer since 1981. I couldn't give two shits about PC. I work on a PC all day and have no interest in sitting behind one when I get home. Another stupid thread in a long line of stupid threads that is System Wars.

I have no need to do damage control for an irrelevant gaming platform.

Like someone else already said ... is like the guy who buys a Tesla and thinks he will go to the most exclusives places on earth because his car was like 4 times the regular price, then he looks around and sees everyone getting to the same place on Toyotas, Mazdas, VW, etc.

If it was truly irrelevant you wouldn't even take the time to talk down about it.

Nah, i like to talk about irrelevant gaming platforms every once in a while, this is a forum after all. I even did it with the OnLive, Stadia, Steam Machines ... you know, all those platforms that don't really matter in the real world like NVidia and their GPUs.

Oof, desperate swings of disingenuous damage control.

Jealousy? It doesn't seem like like we are the broke guys who brag about their Priuses and try to diss on supercars just 'cause they can't afford or don't know how to handle one... 🙄

Almost 60% of console gamers are between the ages of 35-64. Which is likely around the same age group that buys the most consoles for kids or other family members as well, but is a smaller number regardless.

Yes, price does have a lot to do with the success of a console, but the PS3 was never mentioned and it looked as though the $599 price point was being hinted at for next gen consoles when no price points have been revealed so that's a mute point for the time being. If the consoles are revealed at $599 we will see what happens but I don't play the hypothetical game.

WiiU sales have nothing to do with anything. The Wii caught lightning in a bottle (having nothing or very little to do with the pricing of the PS3), and the WiiU suffered because of a large influx of shovelware just like the industry suffered during the crash. It was the cool thing to get a Wii and every senior center, grandma/grandpa, and parent trying to stay relevant had one because it was the hipster trend at the time, especially with motion controls and during a time fitness crazes were at a peak. Now obviously if Nintendo had 3 gens like the WiiU in a row they would have had to rethink things, and the same can be said for SONY if the PS4 wasn't a huge success or with Xbox if the 360 wasn't successful. The WiiU's pricing had nothing to do with its failure, it had more to do with its naming, marketing, and not differentiating itself enough from the competition and it's companies other recent products.

Have you noticed that the Switch is killing it and is largely riding a wave of sales (not all of them since games like Animal Crossing are smashing things) from games that were originally on the WiiU? Marketing plays a very large role in sales, and people are always looking for value, but they also want to know why they are upgrading and that the differences between generations is worthy of the upgrade.

I never said or insinuated that consoles would exist as they do today without casual gamers. Neither would PC gaming or mobile for that matter. Games as a whole are largely carried by the sales of casual gamers, the whales are few and far in between, but that's also why many games have gone ftp recently in an attempt to shake up the market and appeal to those willing to spend the most money. That said, people (mostly casuals) are always crying about prices, microtransactions, and cash shops, so of course the gaming industry would try to appeal to the casual gamers whenever it benefits them the most. Let's not pretend that gaming hasn't been catering more and more to the free to play and pay to win crowd though and even though it's been met head on with varied amounts of criticism. Things like loot boxes, season passes, etc. aren't going anywhere... they will remain in some way, shape, or form for those that are willing to spend extra money and support the games they love to play.

SONY is selling games to PC gamers because there is money to be made by bringing their products to another platform, which is the same reason that most devs chose to release on as many platforms as possible these days unless they are paid not to or they don't have the means to release on various platforms and continue to support their product on several fronts. It is by far the easiest and cheapest to only release on PC when talking about games outside of the mobile market, so many devs focus on getting their games there first and then have a plan to bring it over to consoles if the game finds some success and doesn't have too much of an issue converting to a controller.

"You people" as you referred to me, aren't your typical consumer and know a whole hell of a lot more about the market than most. I'm not spinning a damn thing... you thinking you are coming across as having some inside information or thinking you know more than me is absolutely hilarious and the way you look at the market and industry as a whole is far from what I believe and have seen as the truth. Perhaps we are looking at things from two sides and only see what we want to see, but I support all platforms and it's clear you are coming from the perspective of someone who is all PC all the time.

I never once even hinted at the idea that ANY industry doesn't need a casual market. There are FAR MORE casual PC and mobile gamers than console gamers. I mean... "consoles are niche" right? So which is it? You can't have it both ways, and let's not pretend that the vast majority of PC gamers are playing on cutting edge rigs.

By the way, the industry almost collapsed because it was over saturated and people didn't know what to buy and didn't trust the quality of the games being produced so they decided to buy nothing at all instead of continuously being disappointed and misled by those making fly by night companies to try to cash in and then get out just as quickly as they arrived.

That's why I constantly say that more options are almost never a bad thing. The almost coming from over saturation of the industry with low quality games and not wanting to have another crash. As long as the quality is there the industry will continue to grow regardless of where the games come from and casual gamers will likely always vastly trump the numbers of the self proclaimed hard core. Me personally? When I hear hard core something else comes to mind, but to each their own.. lol

My god so much bullshit and miss information.

The Dreamcast $199 totally crashed and burned vs the $300 PS2.

The GC $199 and even the xbox at $299 crashed and burned against the PS2 as well.

The wii sold like 15 more units than the PS3,it sold 101 million vs the PS3 87 millions one started at $249 the other at $599,the PS3 catch and passed the xbox 360,even that it was up to $300 dollars more expensive in $2006.

60GB PS3 = $600

Core 360 = $300

If anything your theory was totally destroy even with a price disparity the PS3 was close to the wii and beat the 360,which released 1 year before it.

The Wii U was $350 and $300 and is the worst failure the market has seen after a successful generation ever.

The wii went from selling 100 millions to selling less than 20 millions with the wii U and price wasn't the factor the PS4 and xbox one were more expensive.

Hell the xbox one will not catch the PS3 even that it was cheaper than the PS3 on launch and after as well.

Casuals gamers are on all markets,there is this bullshit mantra that PC gamers are just hardcore gamers when is not even close to be true.

There are millions of soccer mom playing shitty games on PC,from candy crush to cooking dash games and much much shit beyond that.

Hell the biggest market by far mobile phones is full of casuals like no other market ever,and is dominant period and in just a few years because Cell phone as we know it today's is basically newborn compare to consoles and PC.

When the industry almost collapsed you were a KID and was do to shitty software,after the Nes the market simple hasn't look back,consoles still selling and they have not drop in sales like PC have because yeah the desktop PC market has shrink to hell and beyond,now people buying PC on this year are mostly doing so to work from home on the pandemic not to play games.

Both markets will be here for a long time.

@tormentos: Meltdown alert!!!!! BTW why do you use the most expensive PS3 vs the cheapest 360? You do know the core model wasn't the most popular 360 console right you clown.

I doubt that the 3060 will be $400, it will be $350 at best. The 3060 will be their mainstream card and I'm certain that AMD will be able to make a card that rivals it in price and performance. The RX 5600 XT made Nvidia drop the RTX 2060 to $299 and the RX 5600 XT doesn't even have hardware accelerated ray tracing. Now I imagine an RX 6600 XT with hardware accelerated ray tracing will make them price the RTX 3060 $300 by default. AMD isn't able to compete with Nvidia high end range but they can definitely compete with their mid range lineup which is where most GPU sales will be.

Nvidia's being smart this time around as as they know that Turing's sales were lower than Pascals due to the minimal performance increase and bigger price tags hence why Ampere has a better price to performance ratio over Turing. While the RTX 3070 missed the $400 bracket it's still $100 cheaper than the founder's edition of its predecessor the RTX 2070 which is also the same with the RTX 3080 being $100 cheaper than it's founder's edition predecessor. Nvidia said they didn't increase the VRAM amount much on their Ampere cards because they said it would make them more expensive. Nvidia even knew that several gamers are sitting on Maxwell and Pascal cards because they didn't find the jump to Turing big enough.

People cross shopping used 2080 Tis are not the same people who would just suddenly decide to buy a console. It's not the same market.

Whatever makes you sleep at night, if you think that's doing some damage control ... sure, irrelevant gaming platforms fans need of the help they can get.

You can stop responding, everyone can see you're in distress. Imagine being so intimidated by a platform, just silly.

Hermits say the same shit every gen, and still the overwhelming majority would rather play on consoles. Niche 4ever.

Nah, I don’t really think so myself, at least for me it wouldn’t matter. I prefer console gaming myself, just find it more comfortable and convenient for my circumstances plus I prefer to get my games on a physical format and console gaming still provides me that in a sufficient enough capacity. Price and performance isn’t really enough to sway me right now on its own.

@girlusocrazy said: PC will mostly get games that target console hardware anyway and it isn't until consoles upgrade that PCs see the dividends. They could have upgraded Witcher 3 earlier but they're waiting on the consoles. Consoles will get games tweaked to get the last bit of performance out and by the end of the PS4 you were seeing stuff that could have been easily matched on PC earlier like TLoU2, but it wasn't anyway so graphics still blow people away today on 7 year old hardware. Console has to lead the way again. Sure PC will be running the same stuff at higher Ps and higher resolution but console has to get it done first. PC won't be using the 30 series to its full potential until console shows how to do it right. You're welcome, PC.

The witcher 3 upgrade is just ray tracing which was mainly pushed by pc hardware, its just gimmicks so people can buy it on next gen console. And no TLOU2 didn't push any boundaries.

Did the 1080 drop to $300 when the 2080 came out? No? Then don't expect the 2080 to drop to $300 any time soon.

Yes, let us pretend that, even at $300, "2080ti" has anywhere near as much mindshare as "PlayStation" "Nintendo" and "Xbox". It is a niche product, nobody cares if it is cheap.

On what planet would a potentially discontinued/lower manufactured PC part DROP in price. That shit goes up. My brother bought a 1080ti for a roughly similar price to my 2080 at around the same time.

@goldenelementxl: u don't necessary have to get a 8 core if ur on a budget

@blueinheaven: U can build a decent PC for 1k or less that will be significantly better than the consoles

@TheGrat1: wtf is "mindshare" for a videogame system? I can only guess, but it sounds like your argument is something along the lines of "ps5 will trend more on twitter so a 2080ti playing games better is irrelevant" or some shit? Is that seriously how you value your gaming hardware and experiences? Thats worse than playing metacritic instead of games you actually like

You can with the new cards, yes. I know. I'm not sure why you're telling me that or even which post you are responding to lol.