if 50 cent BotS had a different protagonist would ppl like it more?

[QUOTE="nmaharg"] Thing is you look at the them "thug life" as something negative. But just like all things in life it's not that black and white. There is a grey area, and in that area there are a lot of "thugs" doing good for the people around them.Heydanbud92

yeh like sometimes they give some of their crack money to their little cuzzin...

I grew up in the "hood", and if not for these so called "thugs" I would be on some corner myself.nmaharg

[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"][QUOTE="nmaharg"] I didn't say "white guys know nothing about 50". I said I don't expect them too. And by reading this post very few people actually know much about him.nmaharg

[QUOTE="JediRiff"][QUOTE="Heydanbud92"]

you don't like fiddy = UR A RAYSIST!!!!

nmaharg

[QUOTE="nmaharg"]

[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"] What don't we know about Fiddy?Cherokee_Jack

I didn't say he was a thug. I said he promotes and (at least externally) personifies gangsta culture, which is why people don't like him.

[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"]

[QUOTE="nmaharg"] He's a smart business man, that understands how to make and sell good products. Not just some "Thug".

nmaharg

I didn't say he was a thug. I said he promotes and (at least externally) personifies gangsta culture, which is why people don't like him.

if you won't play a game just because the main person is black....... you have some serious problems. seriously..... its sad.sireclaborn

[QUOTE="Heydanbud92"]

[QUOTE="nmaharg"] Thing is you look at the them "thug life" as something negative. But just like all things in life it's not that black and white. There is a grey area, and in that area there are a lot of "thugs" doing good for the people around them.nmaharg

yeh like sometimes they give some of their crack money to their little cuzzin...

so they gave you drug money to help pay for your college? (is that what you are saying?) I wonder how many innocent lives were negatively affected, and possibly ruined, just so you could get help going to college.

and I am my own hero. I am paying for college ENTIRELY by myself. I work fulltime and go to school full time. I don't need drug money thanks very much.

Thing is you look at the them "thug life" as something negative. But just like all things in life it's not that black and white. There is a grey area, and in that area there are a lot of "thugs" doing good for the people around them.nmaharg

yeh like sometimes they give some of their crack money to their little cuzzin...

[QUOTE="sireclaborn"]if you won't play a game just because the main person is black....... you have some serious problems. seriously..... its sad.Cherokee_Jack

negative, sir.

i imagine we'd say the exact same thing if it were eminem instead of fiddy.

Thing is you look at the them "thug life" as something negative. But just like all things in life it's not that black and white. There is a grey area, and in that area there are a lot of "thugs" doing good for the people around them.nmaharg

yeh like sometimes they give some of their crack money to their little cuzzin...

[QUOTE="nmaharg"][QUOTE="JediRiff"] Yeah, no kidding. Thats exactly how his post came off, to me. I dont know where anyone would think that because people dont want to play as 50 cent in a game is a slight against african americans in any shape, form, or fashion. Its not. And I honestly dont think they would want other people thinking that the "thuglife" some (ok, MOST) of these rappers live are in any means indicative of what they have been striving to accomplish. If anything, its a set back.JediRiff

[QUOTE="nmaharg"][QUOTE="Heydanbud92"]

yeh like sometimes they give some of their crack money to their little cuzzin...

JediRiff

buh buh he's a good buziness man!!!!11!!

[QUOTE="JediRiff"]

[QUOTE="nmaharg"] Thing is you look at the them "thug life" as something negative. But just like all things in life it's not that black and white. There is a grey area, and in that area there are a lot of "thugs" doing good for the people around them.nmaharg

meaning?

I won't support a 50 Cent product not because of his skin color, but because of his questionable gang ties.

BioShockOwnz

what ties? he's a multi-millionaire who never needs to go into the hood again, and raps about things going on in the real world, like crime in inner city communitys. he's the least bit gangster because what gang does he have? the beverly hills gated community gang??

additionally to other peoples point i know alot of people who didn't like san andreas after playing it and cited that they just couldn't attach themselves to the characters coz they weren't into black hip-hop "gangster" culture so they didn't feel it was compelling to play it

but Vice City and 3 wre fine to them even though they should have no connection to new york mobsters that personify stereotypes in the same way san andreas characters did (violent gangster italians etc are these stereotypes) but when they say why they liked those they say they were fun

but SA is the same game, with more features so why not it too? they can connect to white mobsters but not hood kids? no these are friends of mine who live in suburbs none of them hae any experience with either subject

yes 50 cent is annoying he gets alot of hate for those reasons (his rapping is average sometimes it shines sometimes it sucks evening out to average) but why? do some of you gamers actually know good hip-hop music and judge 50's music to be bad based upon comparisons to other great hip hop acts like Wu Tang Clan, A Tribe Called Quest, Mos Def, Common, etc?? or are you simply annoyed by him coz he is different in a way that you can't identify with therefore you aren't interested in his products? even if the game is good by all accounts?

i highy doubt SW hates 50 coz theres better rap out there, i thinks just another instance of hardcore gamers not wanting anything made for anyone but them,

if this game didn't use 50 and it still got good reviews it would sell terribly coz hardcore gamers don't try new IPs thus why 50 is even involved to make a name the game can sell off of coz core gamers wont take that risk. core gamers rarely take that risk

[QUOTE="nmaharg"][QUOTE="Heydanbud92"]

yeh like sometimes they give some of their crack money to their little cuzzin...

JediRiff

do some of you gamers actually know good hip-hop music and judge 50's music to be bad based upon comparisons to other great hip hop acts like Wu Tang Clan, A Tribe Called Quest, Mos Def, Common, etc?? darth-pyschosis

[QUOTE="nmaharg"][QUOTE="JediRiff"] Im interested to know what you mean about "thugs" doing good for the people around them. The image they give off, is something I see alot of our youth trying to emulate, and to be honest, it bothers me tremendously. So, I dont see what you are talking about. Can you explain in a bit more depth?

Heydanbud92

meaning?

[QUOTE="darth-pyschosis"]do some of you gamers actually know good hip-hop music and judge 50's music to be bad based upon comparisons to other great hip hop acts like Wu Tang Clan, A Tribe Called Quest, Mos Def, Common, etc?? Cherokee_Jack

This is what most people that I know, who are deeply into Hip Hop say.

I guess they are racist too.

[QUOTE="darth-pyschosis"]do some of you gamers actually know good hip-hop music and judge 50's music to be bad based upon comparisons to other great hip hop acts like Wu Tang Clan, A Tribe Called Quest, Mos Def, Common, etc?? Cherokee_Jack

50 Cent is an obnoxious, Pompus, racist **** who is the epitome of what is wrong with rap society. So yes, i will not buy the game purely because hes on it.

I also wouldnt buy a game with Ashton Kutcher on it either, for the same reason.

Nothing to do with color, everything to do with the fact the guy is a dick.

[QUOTE="nmaharg"]

[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"] What don't we know about Fiddy?Cherokee_Jack

I didn't say he was a thug. I said he promotes and (at least externally) personifies gangsta culture, which is why people don't like him.

why should they hate it? its a rule culture that exists. why wouldn't people want someone to speak to those people consumed by the culture to have a hero, or someone speaking for their side of life? don't they deserve someone they can get behind, even if for silly reasons? why is the line drawn here? people just want someone to look up to, or someone they hear feels stuff their going through

[QUOTE="JediRiff"][QUOTE="nmaharg"] Or like in my case help pay for my college education. I grew up in the "hood", and if not for these so called "thugs" I would be on some corner myself. Coming from an environment like mine, 50 cent is more of a hero than you could ever begin to understand. I wish I was half as smart as 50.nmaharg

[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"][QUOTE="darth-pyschosis"]do some of you gamers actually know good hip-hop music and judge 50's music to be bad based upon comparisons to other great hip hop acts like Wu Tang Clan, A Tribe Called Quest, Mos Def, Common, etc?? nmaharg

he's up there with my favs like aTCQ

Selling drugs, working construction, buying, rebuilding cars, selling fake jordans. You name it. He is a hustler.nmaharg

So you admit that your acedemic career is being financed partially by drug money and other illegal items?

Have you ever asked youself how many peoples lives have been ruined by the drugs that your uncle sold?

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

I won't support a 50 Cent product not because of his skin color, but because of his questionable gang ties.

what ties? he's a multi-millionaire who never needs to go into the hood again, and raps about things going on in the real world, like crime in inner city communitys. he's the least bit gangster because what gang does he have? the beverly hills gated community gang??

additionally to other peoples point i know alot of people who didn't like san andreas after playing it and cited that they just couldn't attach themselves to the characters coz they weren't into black hip-hop "gangster" culture so they didn't feel it was compelling to play it

but Vice City and 3 wre fine to them even though they should have no connection to new york mobsters that personify stereotypes in the same way san andreas characters did (violent gangster italians etc are these stereotypes) but when they say why they liked those they say they were fun

but SA is the same game, with more features so why not it too? they can connect to white mobsters but not hood kids? no these are friends of mine who live in suburbs none of them hae any experience with either subject

yes 50 cent is annoying he gets alot of hate for those reasons (his rapping is average sometimes it shines sometimes it sucks evening out to average) but why? do some of you gamers actually know good hip-hop music and judge 50's music to be bad based upon comparisons to other great hip hop acts like Wu Tang Clan, A Tribe Called Quest, Mos Def, Common, etc?? or are you simply annoyed by him coz he is different in a way that you can't identify with therefore you aren't interested in his products? even if the game is good by all accounts?

i highy doubt SW hates 50 coz theres better rap out there, i thinks just another instance of hardcore gamers not wanting anything made for anyone but them,

if this game didn't use 50 and it still got good reviews it would sell terribly coz hardcore gamers don't try new IPs thus why 50 is even involved to make a name the game can sell off of coz core gamers wont take that risk. core gamers rarely take that risk

[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"]

[QUOTE="nmaharg"] He's a smart business man, that understands how to make and sell good products. Not just some "Thug".

darth-pyschosis

I didn't say he was a thug. I said he promotes and (at least externally) personifies gangsta culture, which is why people don't like him.

why should they hate it? its a rule culture that exists. why wouldn't people want someone to speak to those people consumed by the culture to have a hero, or someone speaking for their side of life? don't they deserve someone they can get behind, even if for silly reasons? why is the line drawn here? people just want someone to look up to, or someone they hear feels stuff their going through

[QUOTE="nmaharg"]

[QUOTE="JediRiff"] Well, in all honesty, good for you. I am glad you have gotten the opportunity to better yourself, and hopefully realize your dreams. But wouldnt you agree that it would be better if they tried to promote/support rappers and that culture by trying to move AWAY from stereotypes? By stereotypes, I am referring to the violence, degradation of women, etc. etc. that is instilled by "gangstas", ie "thuglife"? I personally see it as a problem that influences more problems and violence, and I cannot condone it in any fashion. JediRiff

[QUOTE="nmaharg"][QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"]

I didn't say he was a thug. I said he promotes and (at least externally) personifies gangsta culture, which is why people don't like him.

Cherokee_Jack

no he doesn't we commercialise it. we buy it therefore we make it a marketable idea

if its his personal experience and he feels like telling the world it isn't commercialising it he's just doing what every artist does when we buy it it is commercial

and gangsta rap has been popular and marketable since the 80s with NWA. so 50 has done little to commercialise it unless you think rapping with Justin Timberlake about hot women is somehow more aggresive than many of ice cube's lyrics in the 80s

[QUOTE="nmaharg"]Selling drugs, working construction, buying, rebuilding cars, selling fake jordans. You name it. He is a hustler.Heydanbud92

So you admit that your acedemic career is being financed partially by drug money and other illegal items?

Have you ever asked youself how many peoples lives have been ruined by the drugs that your uncle sold?

[QUOTE="nmaharg"][QUOTE="JediRiff"][QUOTE="Heydanbud92"]

you don't like fiddy = UR A RAYSIST!!!!

JediRiff

[QUOTE="Heydanbud92"]

[QUOTE="nmaharg"]Selling drugs, working construction, buying, rebuilding cars, selling fake jordans. You name it. He is a hustler.nmaharg

So you admit that your acedemic career is being financed partially by drug money and other illegal items?

Have you ever asked youself how many peoples lives have been ruined by the drugs that your uncle sold?

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There you have it folks. Thugs can be good guys too. That is, if you are the one benefitting from their dirty money.

And how, may i ask, is my "story" very similar to yours? I can't fathom how you've gathered that, as you know next to nothing about me.

[QUOTE="Heydanbud92"]

you don't like fiddy = UR A RAYSIST!!!!

shsonline

The TC, who said that people won't buy BotS because the protagonist isn't white?

[QUOTE="nmaharg"][QUOTE="Heydanbud92"]

So you admit that your acedemic career is being financed partially by drug money and other illegal items?

Have you ever asked youself how many peoples lives have been ruined by the drugs that your uncle sold?

Heydanbud92

:|

There you have it folks. Thugs can be good guys too. That is, if you are the one benefitting from their dirty money.

And how, may i ask, is my "story" very similar to yours? I can't fathom how you've gathered that, as you know next to nothing about me.

[QUOTE="shsonline"][QUOTE="Heydanbud92"]

you don't like fiddy = UR A RAYSIST!!!!

Cherokee_Jack

The TC, who said that people won't buy BotS because the protagonist isn't white?

This.

Ya know, the thread we're in? The topic at hand?

while i think there are many hypocrites who hate rap music but love mob movies or play violent video gamesshsonline

The game doesn't look that great even without 50 cent, buthard for me to judge becausetbh i hate people who act likegangsters and theirideology as a whole.

while i think there are many hypocrites who hate rap music but love mob movies or play violent video games, i do wish they would make more games with black leads who arent rap stars or "thugs". personally i would not buy a game about any pop star though.shsonline

agreed, about the pop star comment.

but how are you a hypocrite if you love mob movies but not rap?

[QUOTE="Heydanbud92"]

[QUOTE="nmaharg"] None, they were ruin by the drugs THEY BOUGHT. You act like they had no choice in the matter. He didn't force them to buy it. They were more than willing. Despite your narrow view of the world, sometimes bad things have to happen for good to come out of it. If it took some person being addicted to crack for me to get my education so be it. That may sound cold, but your story is very similar to mine.nmaharg

:|

There you have it folks. Thugs can be good guys too. That is, if you are the one benefitting from their dirty money.

And how, may i ask, is my "story" very similar to yours? I can't fathom how you've gathered that, as you know next to nothing about me.

You had a choice though. You could have thrown that dirty money back in his face. It's called having principles.

[QUOTE="shsonline"]while i think there are many hypocrites who hate rap music but love mob movies or play violent video games, i do wish they would make more games with black leads who arent rap stars or "thugs". personally i would not buy a game about any pop star though.Heydanbud92

agreed, about the pop star comment.

but how are you a hypocrite if you love mob movies but not rap?

[QUOTE="nmaharg"][QUOTE="Heydanbud92"]

:|

There you have it folks. Thugs can be good guys too. That is, if you are the one benefitting from their dirty money.

And how, may i ask, is my "story" very similar to yours? I can't fathom how you've gathered that, as you know next to nothing about me.

Heydanbud92

You had a choice though. You could have thrown that dirty money back in his face. It's called having principles.

[QUOTE="Heydanbud92"]

[QUOTE="shsonline"]while i think there are many hypocrites who hate rap music but love mob movies or play violent video games, i do wish they would make more games with black leads who arent rap stars or "thugs". personally i would not buy a game about any pop star though.nmaharg

agreed, about the pop star comment.

but how are you a hypocrite if you love mob movies but not rap?

It couldn't possibly be the style of music, or many other aspects of the two different media that would make them have different audiences could it? No no no no...

How does rap spawn violence? If anything rap is helping to slow it down. I can only speak on what I know. I know here in atlanta TI gets nothing but respect. TI alone has stopped a lot of beef in ATL. But you never hear about that. You never here about the HUGE beef between all the hurricane victims that migrated to ATL and the natives of ATL and how TI stopped all of it. But like I said rappers do what sell. The audience is changing though. With the likes of the cool kids, wale, and asher roth. Hip hop is seeing a change toward "softer" lyrics.nmaharg

[QUOTE="nmaharg"][QUOTE="Heydanbud92"]

agreed, about the pop star comment.

but how are you a hypocrite if you love mob movies but not rap?

Heydanbud92

It couldn't possibly be the style of music, or many other aspects of the two different media that would make them have different audiences could it? No no no no...

[QUOTE="Heydanbud92"]

[QUOTE="nmaharg"] No matter who you are. Some where throughout history something bad had to happen for you to be in the position you're in. Just a fact of life. Think hard enough and i'm sure you can think of something. I'm not going to act like the world is full of sunshine because it isn't. You can if you want to.nmaharg

You had a choice though. You could have thrown that dirty money back in his face. It's called having principles.

So, you would gladly accept money from someone who earned it by, oh i don't know, winning a baby-eating contest?

[QUOTE="Heydanbud92"]

[QUOTE="shsonline"]while i think there are many hypocrites who hate rap music but love mob movies or play violent video games, i do wish they would make more games with black leads who arent rap stars or "thugs". personally i would not buy a game about any pop star though.nmaharg

agreed, about the pop star comment.

but how are you a hypocrite if you love mob movies but not rap?