If a $1000 console came out with graphics far beyond even high end pcs....

[QUOTE="gmaster456"]

[QUOTE="Xplode_games"]

All this "PC wins plus it can do your homework" talk is just ignorance.

Xplode_games

Not really. Its a completely fair and legitamate argument. How is saying "I can game on my PC, watch movies as well as do my homework" ignorant? Please enlighten me.

Because PC is not pushing the graphics foward. All you're doing is gaming with Xbox graphics plus a little more res and fps. This has been going on since 2005. A $1,000 console would actually push the graphics envelope through the stratosphere.

[QUOTE="gmaster456"]

[QUOTE="Xplode_games"]

All this "PC wins plus it can do your homework" talk is just ignorance.

Xplode_games

Not really. Its a completely fair and legitamate argument. How is saying "I can game on my PC, watch movies as well as do my homework" ignorant? Please enlighten me.

Because PC is not pushing the graphics foward. All you're doing is gaming with Xbox graphics plus a little more res and fps. This has been going on since 2005. A $1,000 console would actually push the graphics envelope through the stratosphere.

Because PC is not pushing the graphics foward. All you're doing is gaming with Xbox graphics plus a little more res and fps. This has been going on since 2005. A $1,000 console would actually push the graphics envelope through the stratosphere.

Xplode_games

So hows Crysis 1? You know, a game with far superior visuals that the 360 will never see that came out in 2007?

...and had mouse and keyboard support, how many people, specifically pc gamers, would buy it? Let me stress, this hypothetical console would have hardware superior to the highest end pcs today which, along with optimistion, would make the graphics years ahead of what the pc could achieve!

dom2000

It would have to offer alot more then just having multimedia capbilities that any device can do and really good graphics with m/kb support. Only reason I'd pay $1000+ for game console would be if it did matrix type virtual reality or something and I'm sure pc's would be able to do the same thing only better as long as you had the money and be alot more customizable so I'd spend that money towards upgrade my pc.

I would never ever pay $1000 just for graphics and mouse/keyboard support. That's the biggest rip-off ever. I would just play more games on my already-capable PC.

[QUOTE="dom2000"]

...and had mouse and keyboard support, how many people, specifically pc gamers, would buy it? Let me stress, this hypothetical console would have hardware superior to the highest end pcs today which, along with optimistion, would make the graphics years ahead of what the pc could achieve!

lightleggy

I wouldn't buy it.

If I really cared about graphics I'd just get more into PC gaming.

something like video/image editing does not require that much power.forgot_it

[QUOTE="Xplode_games"]

[QUOTE="gmaster456"]

Not really. Its a completely fair and legitamate argument. How is saying "I can game on my PC, watch movies as well as do my homework" ignorant? Please enlighten me.

ferret-gamer

Because PC is not pushing the graphics foward. All you're doing is gaming with Xbox graphics plus a little more res and fps. This has been going on since 2005. A $1,000 console would actually push the graphics envelope through the stratosphere.

Not really. Compared to how much ahead PC hardware is vs Xbox, PC has been pathetic.

You're really starting to blur the lines between a PC and a console. However if I paid $1000 for something, I would want it to do far more than play games and watch movies. You use a PC for much more than entertainment.

Wasdie

But that is the main reason i prefer to game on consoles, my PC is for a million other things, the worst of them is gaming on a desk with a mouse and keyboard when i could be working on PC and game on my HDTV and xbox 360

When i am on PC i simply cant get myself to game, it is extremely uncomfortable and i prefer working or surfing on the PC and game in my living room and consoles

[QUOTE="dom2000"]

...and had mouse and keyboard support, how many people, specifically pc gamers, would buy it? Let me stress, this hypothetical console would have hardware superior to the highest end pcs today which, along with optimistion, would make the graphics years ahead of what the pc could achieve!

Xplode_games

I don't think people understand what you are proposing here. PC developers make games for the lowest commond denominator. In most cases that means they make games for current gen consoles. If you have a PC you can get better textures, res, aliasing and fps. But that's very different than having a game built from the ground up to take advantage of the latest hardware.

If a game console was released for $1,000 it would have seriously wicked specs. CPU would be an i7 based Quad core CPU at 3.8 - 4.2 Ghz, a next gen Radeon that replaces the HD 6990, let' scall it the Radeon HD 7990, 16 GB of shared system RAM and a 2 terabyte hard drive.

With those specs it would be an absolute monster. It would be a considerable step beyond the PS4 and Xbox 720. The games would make moded Crysis and GTA 4 look ugly by comparison.

People just say oh PC is better but that's not true. Because no one will develop games for PC with such a high lowest common denominator. It's going to take the PC maybe another 6 - 10 years to achieve the graphics that this proposed uber console could do right now.

All this "PC wins plus it can do your homework" talk is just ignorance.

[QUOTE="Xplode_games"]

Because PC is not pushing the graphics foward. All you're doing is gaming with Xbox graphics plus a little more res and fps. This has been going on since 2005. A $1,000 console would actually push the graphics envelope through the stratosphere.

ChubbyGuy40

So hows Crysis 1? You know, a game with far superior visuals that the 360 will never see that came out in 2007?

First of all Crysis 2 looks better than Crysis 1. Second of all Crysis 1 is coming to the Xbox. I'm sure they'll have to break it down into chunks but it'll look just as good if not better than the PC version. Sad really.

[QUOTE="lightleggy"][QUOTE="dom2000"]

...and had mouse and keyboard support, how many people, specifically pc gamers, would buy it? Let me stress, this hypothetical console would have hardware superior to the highest end pcs today which, along with optimistion, would make the graphics years ahead of what the pc could achieve!

forgot_it

[QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"]

Red Orchestra 2 will be $39.95 at release. There are still plenty of PC games that sell at $40 (though I bought FSX Deluxe for $60). Console games are selling at $60 unless I am missing something.

starwarsjunky

I haven't bought a new PC game in quite some time so you could be right. The newest game I have bought was Railworks and I believe that was $45. As I am picky about the games I play, I just do not run out and buy every new game out there. I am not into games like CoD or Stalker etc. I am more into simulations and RTSes though I do like Tac-Sims from RSE (and not the junk made since GR). There are only 2 games I am looking to buy and one is RO2 and the other is Ground Branch (and I don't know what the price will be at launch yet). I just did get World In Conflict Collector's Edition that I paid $78 for, but that includes more than just the game.

No such console would ever release, major developers and publishers would not likely support the system because they know that few people would buy it at such a high price point. Even at $500 and $600 the Playstation 3 struggled to compete with the $300 and $400 Xbox 360 and $250 Wii at launch. A $1000 console regardless of who made it would fail harder than any other video game system released.

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

You're really starting to blur the lines between a PC and a console. However if I paid $1000 for something, I would want it to do far more than play games and watch movies. You use a PC for much more than entertainment.

loosingENDS

But that is the main reason i prefer to game on consoles, my PC is for a million other things, the worst of them is gaming on a desk with a mouse and keyboard when i could be working on PC and game on my HDTV and xbox 360

When i am on PC i simply cant get myself to game, it is extremely uncomfortable and i prefer working or surfing on the PC and game in my living room and consoles

[QUOTE="ChubbyGuy40"]

[QUOTE="Xplode_games"]

Because PC is not pushing the graphics foward. All you're doing is gaming with Xbox graphics plus a little more res and fps. This has been going on since 2005. A $1,000 console would actually push the graphics envelope through the stratosphere.

Xplode_games

So hows Crysis 1? You know, a game with far superior visuals that the 360 will never see that came out in 2007?

First of all Crysis 2 looks better than Crysis 1. Second of all Crysis 1 is coming to the Xbox. I'm sure they'll have to break it down into chunks but it'll look just as good if not better than the PC version. Sad really.

Sad indeed...

Sad indeed

[QUOTE="Xplode_games"]

[QUOTE="dom2000"]

...and had mouse and keyboard support, how many people, specifically pc gamers, would buy it? Let me stress, this hypothetical console would have hardware superior to the highest end pcs today which, along with optimistion, would make the graphics years ahead of what the pc could achieve!

DJ_Headshot

I don't think people understand what you are proposing here. PC developers make games for the lowest commond denominator. In most cases that means they make games for current gen consoles. If you have a PC you can get better textures, res, aliasing and fps. But that's very different than having a game built from the ground up to take advantage of the latest hardware.

If a game console was released for $1,000 it would have seriously wicked specs. CPU would be an i7 based Quad core CPU at 3.8 - 4.2 Ghz, a next gen Radeon that replaces the HD 6990, let' scall it the Radeon HD 7990, 16 GB of shared system RAM and a 2 terabyte hard drive.

With those specs it would be an absolute monster. It would be a considerable step beyond the PS4 and Xbox 720. The games would make moded Crysis and GTA 4 look ugly by comparison.

People just say oh PC is better but that's not true. Because no one will develop games for PC with such a high lowest common denominator. It's going to take the PC maybe another 6 - 10 years to achieve the graphics that this proposed uber console could do right now.

All this "PC wins plus it can do your homework" talk is just ignorance.

You misunderstood me. If the $1,000 uber console is released today, the games would be amazing but high end PCs would be able to run them. The problem is if that uber console is not released then no one will make those high end games.

My point is it would take the PC 6 - 10 years for the games to reach what an uber console would give us today. The hardware is here now it's just the developers are not taking advantage of it.

[QUOTE="forgot_it"] something like video/image editing does not require that much power.gmaster456

[QUOTE="ChubbyGuy40"]

[QUOTE="Xplode_games"]

Because PC is not pushing the graphics foward. All you're doing is gaming with Xbox graphics plus a little more res and fps. This has been going on since 2005. A $1,000 console would actually push the graphics envelope through the stratosphere.

Xplode_games

So hows Crysis 1? You know, a game with far superior visuals that the 360 will never see that came out in 2007?

First of all Crysis 2 looks better than Crysis 1. Second of all Crysis 1 is coming to the Xbox. I'm sure they'll have to break it down into chunks but it'll look just as good if not better than the PC version. Sad really.

i wish game developers PAID folks to sit their and waited to get pugged

[QUOTE="ChubbyGuy40"]

[QUOTE="Xplode_games"]

Because PC is not pushing the graphics foward. All you're doing is gaming with Xbox graphics plus a little more res and fps. This has been going on since 2005. A $1,000 console would actually push the graphics envelope through the stratosphere.

Xplode_games

So hows Crysis 1? You know, a game with far superior visuals that the 360 will never see that came out in 2007?

First of all Crysis 2 looks better than Crysis 1. Second of all Crysis 1 is coming to the Xbox. I'm sure they'll have to break it down into chunks but it'll look just as good if not better than the PC version. Sad really.

Only in DX11, and on PC, and when Crysis isn't heavily modded. Second, no it's not. It was never confirmed. You should be aware that rating was around back in 2007. Yes sometimes it ends up true, but it also ends up being mistakes 95% of the time. Sad consolites can't comprehend their $300 heater can't play Crysis.

[QUOTE="gmaster456"][QUOTE="forgot_it"] something like video/image editing does not require that much power.a55a55inx

...and had mouse and keyboard support, how many people, specifically pc gamers, would buy it? Let me stress, this hypothetical console would have hardware superior to the highest end pcs today which, along with optimistion, would make the graphics years ahead of what the pc could achieve!

dom2000

You're really starting to blur the lines between a PC and a console. However if I paid $1000 for something, I would want it to do far more than play games and watch movies. You use a PC for much more than entertainment.

Wasdie

Wasn't the 3DO like 800 back in the day?monatomic

...and had mouse and keyboard support, how many people, specifically pc gamers, would buy it? Let me stress, this hypothetical console would have hardware superior to the highest end pcs today which, along with optimistion, would make the graphics years ahead of what the pc could achieve!

dom2000

Which would be outdated in a few years time, while the PC's will still become more and more advanced

For a system strictly designed for gaming that is a lot to pay.

...and had mouse and keyboard support, how many people, specifically pc gamers, would buy it? Let me stress, this hypothetical console would have hardware superior to the highest end pcs today which, along with optimistion, would make the graphics years ahead of what the pc could achieve!

dom2000

Nope. It'll be freaking huge, and it'll overheat every 5 minutes.

Meh, too much money. In the end it will still be a console with fixed hardware and will eventually end up replaced for being outdated. In that case it's much better something around $300-$400 every 5 years or something.

Itd be worth it until the first PC game of that gen came out and eclipsed it. Unless you're talking so far ahead that pc's wouldn't catch up...which just would not happen.

For that much it better make me a damn sandwich.

ChubbyGuy40

the 1500$ version can make you a whole buffet :shock:

hmm..

How much are next generation consoles going to cost when they come out?

I'm willing to bet they will cost more than $699.

A lot of investement will be needed it they are too last as long or longer then 10 years.

You're really starting to blur the lines between a PC and a console. However if I paid $1000 for something, I would want it to do far more than play games and watch movies. You use a PC for much more than entertainment.

Wasdie

Yeah but a lot of games are starting to turn into "entertainment boxes" instead of just gaming machines. Even though they can't do work or anything, consoles can do a lot more then play games. They can play movies, play music, play netflix, play TV, go on the internet, etc. If a console could add much more to this AND be a powerful, well rounded system that can keep PC's at bay for a couple of years in power, then it might be worth it.

Of course its torture enough owning all the consoles while they're $300 AND a gaming PC at around $1400. A new $1000 console would break my bank and have to really show its worth.

It wouldn't sell well at all. Just ask Sony when they announced PS3 was 600 bucks and then lost millions of dollars because of it.

First of all Crysis 2 looks better than Crysis 1. Second of all Crysis 1 is coming to the Xbox. I'm sure they'll have to break it down into chunks but it'll look just as good if not better than the PC version. Sad really.

Xplode_games

Lmao...

Well, I never thought I'd meet Stevie Wonder on the GameSpot forums.

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

You're really starting to blur the lines between a PC and a console. However if I paid $1000 for something, I would want it to do far more than play games and watch movies. You use a PC for much more than entertainment.

SPYDER0416

Yeah but a lot of games are starting to turn into "entertainment boxes" instead of just gaming machines. Even though they can't do work or anything, consoles can do a lot more then play games. They can play movies, play music, play netflix, play TV, go on the internet, etc. If a console could add much more to this AND be a powerful, well rounded system that can keep PC's at bay for a couple of years in power, then it might be worth it.

Of course its torture enough owning all the consoles while they're $300 AND a gaming PC at around $1400. A new $1000 console would break my bank and have to really show its worth.

I don't know.

The PS3 could be used as a poor mans PC.

Keyboard, Mouse, Browser.........Linux?!??!

I need a PC. Turning an average PC into a gaming PC costs less than £300 max. Nobody would pay £1000 ($1000) for a machine that just plays games.

After reading the whole thread, I see the TC has decided to walk away. I guess even he realizes now that this topic wasn't very well thought out.

AmazonTreeBoa

[QUOTE="dom2000"]

...and had mouse and keyboard support, how many people, specifically pc gamers, would buy it? Let me stress, this hypothetical console would have hardware superior to the highest end pcs today which, along with optimistion, would make the graphics years ahead of what the pc could achieve!

Xplode_games

I don't think people understand what you are proposing here. PC developers make games for the lowest commond denominator. In most cases that means they make games for current gen consoles. If you have a PC you can get better textures, res, aliasing and fps. But that's very different than having a game built from the ground up to take advantage of the latest hardware.

If a game console was released for $1,000 it would have seriously wicked specs. CPU would be an i7 based Quad core CPU at 3.8 - 4.2 Ghz, a next gen Radeon that replaces the HD 6990, let' scall it the Radeon HD 7990, 16 GB of shared system RAM and a 2 terabyte hard drive.

With those specs it would be an absolute monster. It would be a considerable step beyond the PS4 and Xbox 720. The games would make moded Crysis and GTA 4 look ugly by comparison.

People just say oh PC is better but that's not true. Because no one will develop games for PC with such a high lowest common denominator. It's going to take the PC maybe another 6 - 10 years to achieve the graphics that this proposed uber console could do right now.

All this "PC wins plus it can do your homework" talk is just ignorance.

I need a PC. Turning an average PC into a gaming PC costs less than £300 max. Nobody would pay £1000 ($1000) for a machine that just plays games.

kraken2109

Well that sounds like a PC to me.enterawesome

It wouldn't sell well at all. Just ask Sony when they announced PS3 was 600 bucks and then lost millions of dollars because of it.

HaloPimp978