If all the shooters in the world disappered forever and ever

Which Console do you believe would have the better line up of games to date this gen

and yes things like ME count as shooters

on the 360: No PDZ, No Gears 1 or 2, No Halo 3 or ODST, Left 4 dead 1 and 2, no mass effect 1 or 2

on the PS3: No Resistance 1 and 2, no Killzone 2, no M.A.G., no HAZE, no Uncharted 1 or 2, no MGS 4

seems like the 360 would still win in AAAE games when compared to the PS3 (honestly, i'm surprised)

So Uncharted wouldn't count as well since it has more shooting than platforming/puzzles? And multiplayer modes that's all about shooting?

PS3 would still be tied with the Xbox 360, the DS would have a slight lead over the PSP, and the PC would be the best system.

Mass Effect is primarily an RPG, as is Fallout 3, even though both have shooter elements.

on the 360: No PDZ, No Gears 1 or 2, No Halo 3 or ODST, Left 4 dead 1 and 2, no mass effect 1 or 2

on the PS3: No Resistance 1 and 2, no Killzone 2, no M.A.G., no HAZE

Seems the 360 would take the biggest hit

The Wii would probably be in the best position.

on the 360: No PDZ, No Gears 1 or 2, No Halo 3 or ODST, Left 4 dead 1 and 2, no mass effect 1 or 2

on the PS3: No Resistance 1 and 2, no Killzone 2, no M.A.G., no HAZE

Seems the 360 would take the biggest hit

Mass Effect is primarily an RPG, as is Fallout 3, even though both have shooter elements.

idontbeliveit

And Call of Duty is also a platformer because you can jump, right?

[QUOTE="idontbeliveit"]

Mass Effect is primarily an RPG, as is Fallout 3, even though both have shooter elements.

Yandere

And Call of Duty is also a platformer because you can jump, right?

[QUOTE="idontbeliveit"]

Mass Effect is primarily an RPG, as is Fallout 3, even though both have shooter elements.

Yandere

And Call of Duty is also a platformer because you can jump, right?

No.

Defining which genre a game is in is based around it's main (and I repeat, MAIN) elements which are found in it.

[QUOTE="Yandere"]

[QUOTE="idontbeliveit"]

Mass Effect is primarily an RPG, as is Fallout 3, even though both have shooter elements.

MadVybz

And Call of Duty is also a platformer because you can jump, right?

No.

Defining which genre a game is in is based around it's main (and I repeat, MAIN) elements which are found in it.

All the combat in the game is used with a gun, thus a shooter.

Mass Effect is primarily an RPG, as is Fallout 3, even though both have shooter elements.

idontbeliveit

So Uncharted wouldn't count as well since it has more shooting than platforming/puzzles? And multiplayer modes that's all about shooting?

mitu123

[QUOTE="Yandere"]

[QUOTE="idontbeliveit"]

Mass Effect is primarily an RPG, as is Fallout 3, even though both have shooter elements.

MadVybz

And Call of Duty is also a platformer because you can jump, right?

No.

Defining which genre a game is in is based around it's main (and I repeat, MAIN) elements which are found in it.

[QUOTE="MadVybz"]

[QUOTE="Yandere"]

And Call of Duty is also a platformer because you can jump, right?

Yandere

No.

Defining which genre a game is in is based around it's main (and I repeat, MAIN) elements which are found in it.

All the combat in the game is used with a gun, thus a shooter.

Yes, completely disregarding the roleplaying, amounts of dialog, customization, stats and exploration, it's definitely a shooter. :roll:

[QUOTE="MadVybz"]

[QUOTE="Yandere"]

And Call of Duty is also a platformer because you can jump, right?

SaltyMeatballs

No.

Defining which genre a game is in is based around it's main (and I repeat, MAIN) elements which are found in it.

Fixed. :P

then we wouldn't be here I guess.

(or Hack and Slash games will be king)

Yes, completely disregarding the roleplaying, amounts of dialog, customization, stats and exploration, it's definitely a shooter. :roll:

MadVybz

Even though I think the Wii is the best right now, it would be the least effected and remain in first place.

[QUOTE="Yandere"]

[QUOTE="MadVybz"]

No.

Defining which genre a game is in is based around it's main (and I repeat, MAIN) elements which are found in it.

MadVybz

All the combat in the game is used with a gun, thus a shooter.

Yes, completely disregarding the roleplaying, amounts of dialog, customization, stats and exploration, it's definitely a shooter. :roll:

The core of the game is it's combat, there isn't any alternative to fighting, so shooting is the games main feature.

[QUOTE="idontbeliveit"]

Mass Effect is primarily an RPG, as is Fallout 3, even though both have shooter elements.

And Call of Duty is also a platformer because you can jump, right?

[QUOTE="MadVybz"]

[QUOTE="Yandere"]

All the combat in the game is used with a gun, thus a shooter.

Yes, completely disregarding the roleplaying, amounts of dialog, customization, stats and exploration, it's definitely a shooter. :roll:

The core of the game is it's combat, there isn't any alternative to fighting, so shooting is the games main feature.

No, things like ME do NOT count as shooters, TC. Speaking of which, I'd have Mass Effect 2, God of War 3, and SMG2 anyway, the only thing I'd be pissed about missing is Halo Reach. But alas, shooters won't just get sucked into a black hole and out of exsitance forever, so no need to worry or think about such frivelous things.enterawesome

No ME2 eighter :P

[QUOTE="Yandere"]

[QUOTE="idontbeliveit"]

Mass Effect is primarily an RPG, as is Fallout 3, even though both have shooter elements.

idontbeliveit

And Call of Duty is also a platformer because you can jump, right?

You took the sentence the wrong way, I was never saying that it was a platformer.

[QUOTE="enterawesome"]No, things like ME do NOT count as shooters, TC. Speaking of which, I'd have Mass Effect 2, God of War 3, and SMG2 anyway, the only thing I'd be pissed about missing is Halo Reach. But alas, shooters won't just get sucked into a black hole and out of exsitance forever, so no need to worry or think about such frivelous things.13C

No ME2 eighter :P

[QUOTE="MadVybz"]

[QUOTE="Yandere"]

All the combat in the game is used with a gun, thus a shooter.

Yandere

Yes, completely disregarding the roleplaying, amounts of dialog, customization, stats and exploration, it's definitely a shooter. :roll:

The core of the game is it's combat, there isn't any alternative to fighting, so shooting is the games main feature.

Uhh, no. If the main focus of Mass Effect was it's combat, there wouldn't be any reason for it's ****load of dialog, engaging and interesting characters, lore, story, roleplaying, or even it's level system for that matter. The combat is merely the medium that is used while getting from point A to point B.... The shooting could be easily replaced with a turn based combat system and it wouldn't have made much of a difference. Also, in retrospect, the combat system is ****ing garbage. (IMO, anyway. Some find it to be adequate) So how in the hell would shooting be it's main focus?

[QUOTE="Yandere"]

[QUOTE="MadVybz"]

Yes, completely disregarding the roleplaying, amounts of dialog, customization, stats and exploration, it's definitely a shooter. :roll:

enterawesome

The core of the game is it's combat, there isn't any alternative to fighting, so shooting is the games main feature.

And FPS/TPS games have grenades, does that erase the presence of guns? No.

Anyways how do you think you develop your character, complete quests, finding new galaxies? Fighting.

[QUOTE="idontbeliveit"][QUOTE="Yandere"]

And Call of Duty is also a platformer because you can jump, right?

You took the sentence the wrong way, I was never saying that it was a platformer.

[QUOTE="13C"]

[QUOTE="enterawesome"]No, things like ME do NOT count as shooters, TC. Speaking of which, I'd have Mass Effect 2, God of War 3, and SMG2 anyway, the only thing I'd be pissed about missing is Halo Reach. But alas, shooters won't just get sucked into a black hole and out of exsitance forever, so no need to worry or think about such frivelous things.enterawesome

No ME2 eighter :P

Heloies mes namzes is da 13C ans izes cumzis to teciehes uyses da englszies :D

[QUOTE="Yandere"]

[QUOTE="MadVybz"]

Yes, completely disregarding the roleplaying, amounts of dialog, customization, stats and exploration, it's definitely a shooter. :roll:

MadVybz

The core of the game is it's combat, there isn't any alternative to fighting, so shooting is the games main feature.

Uhh, no. If the main focus of Mass Effect was it's combat, there wouldn't be any reason for it's ****load of dialog, engaging and interesting characters, lore, story, roleplaying, or even it's level system for that matter. The combat is merely the medium that is used while getting from point A to point B.... The shooting could be easily replaced with a turn based combat system and it wouldn't have made much of a difference. Also, in retrospect, the combat system is ****ing garbage. (IMO, anyway. Some find it to be adequate) So how in the hell would shooting be it's main focus?

The game isn't MGS4, do you think the majority of your time is spent fighting and walking around or speaking to others? In all RPGs combat is the main focus, I have not seen one RPG that just adds on combat for the hell of it.

[QUOTE="MadVybz"]

[QUOTE="Yandere"]

The core of the game is it's combat, there isn't any alternative to fighting, so shooting is the games main feature.

Yandere

Uhh, no. If the main focus of Mass Effect was it's combat, there wouldn't be any reason for it's ****load of dialog, engaging and interesting characters, lore, story, roleplaying, or even it's level system for that matter. The combat is merely the medium that is used while getting from point A to point B.... The shooting could be easily replaced with a turn based combat system and it wouldn't have made much of a difference. Also, in retrospect, the combat system is ****ing garbage. (IMO, anyway. Some find it to be adequate) So how in the hell would shooting be it's main focus?

The game isn't MGS4, do you think the majority of your time is spent fighting and walking around or speaking to others? In all RPGs combat is the main focus, I have not seen one RPG that just adds on combat for the hell of it.

You obviously haven't played Mass Effect if you're honestly saying that you spend more time in combat than talking to others...

[QUOTE="enterawesome"][QUOTE="Yandere"]

The core of the game is it's combat, there isn't any alternative to fighting, so shooting is the games main feature.

And FPS/TPS games have grenades, does that erase the presence of guns? No.

Anyways how do you think you develop your character, complete quests, finding new galaxies? Fighting.

[QUOTE="Yandere"]

[QUOTE="enterawesome"]Wrong. In combat, you don't have to use any of your guns, since several classes feature biotic powers, sort of like the force, which you can use to damage and sabotage your enemies, NOT shooting. Plus, combat isn't the main portion of the game, you spend most of the time doing RPG things, like making choices, devoloping your character, taking on quests, researching the galaxy and it's inhabitants, and exploring.enterawesome

And FPS/TPS games have grenades, does that erase the presence of guns? No.

Anyways how do you think you develop your character, complete quests, finding new galaxies? Fighting.

I'm saying that Mass Effect is a RPG TPS, I'm not saying it isn't a RPG.

[QUOTE="Yandere"]

[QUOTE="enterawesome"]Wrong. In combat, you don't have to use any of your guns, since several classes feature biotic powers, sort of like the force, which you can use to damage and sabotage your enemies, NOT shooting. Plus, combat isn't the main portion of the game, you spend most of the time doing RPG things, like making choices, devoloping your character, taking on quests, researching the galaxy and it's inhabitants, and exploring.enterawesome

And FPS/TPS games have grenades, does that erase the presence of guns? No.

Anyways how do you think you develop your character, complete quests, finding new galaxies? Fighting.

In all seriousness, this kind of argument would be better suited for something like Fable II - It's heavily focused on combat and only merely lets you chose to be a good character or an evil character, and anything else it has to offer in terms of roleplaying doesn't even benefit much. I mean hell, I settled down and had kids, only to have my wife send me a few potions and then get killed by a banshee and my kids were taken away. >_>

[QUOTE="enterawesome"][QUOTE="Yandere"]

And FPS/TPS games have grenades, does that erase the presence of guns? No.

Anyways how do you think you develop your character, complete quests, finding new galaxies? Fighting.

I'm saying that Mass Effect is a RPG TPS, I'm not saying it isn't a RPG.

[QUOTE="enterawesome"][QUOTE="Yandere"] 1: All the RPGs I've ever played make fighting mandatory, just like Mass Effect. So with this logic, all RPGs... aren't RPGs?Yandere

I'm saying that Mass Effect is a RPG TPS, I'm not saying it isn't a RPG.

Erm, do you remember saying this?;

All the combat in the game is used with a gun, thus a shooter.

Yandere

I don't see any regard to it's RPG elements (Which also carry a lot more weight than it's broken, weak shooting anyway).

[QUOTE="enterawesome"][QUOTE="Yandere"]

And FPS/TPS games have grenades, does that erase the presence of guns? No.

Anyways how do you think you develop your character, complete quests, finding new galaxies? Fighting.

Yandere

I'm saying that Mass Effect is a RPG TPS, I'm not saying it isn't a RPG.

So pretty much every RPG is a hybrid because you do two things, develop character and story(RPG) and attack things(action, turn base strategy, shooter)?

[QUOTE="Yandere"]

[QUOTE="MadVybz"]

Yes, completely disregarding the roleplaying, amounts of dialog, customization, stats and exploration, it's definitely a shooter. :roll:

MadVybz

The core of the game is it's combat, there isn't any alternative to fighting, so shooting is the games main feature.

Uhh, no. If the main focus of Mass Effect was it's combat, there wouldn't be any reason for it's ****load of dialog, engaging and interesting characters, lore, story, roleplaying, or even it's level system for that matter. The combat is merely the medium that is used while getting from point A to point B.... The shooting could be easily replaced with a turn based combat system and it wouldn't have made much of a difference. Also, in retrospect, the combat system is ****ing garbage. (IMO, anyway. Some find it to be adequate) So how in the hell would shooting be it's main focus?

Don't forget that completely linear story and stat changing defines RPG ;) Oh yeah, combat defines Roleplaying too, so Mass Effect and it's sequel are not Role Playing Games

(all of this is sarcasm from my part btw. sadly it isnt for others)

[QUOTE="idontbeliveit"]

Mass Effect is primarily an RPG, as is Fallout 3, even though both have shooter elements.

Yandere

And Call of Duty is also a platformer because you can jump, right?

[QUOTE="Yandere"]

[QUOTE="idontbeliveit"]

Mass Effect is primarily an RPG, as is Fallout 3, even though both have shooter elements.

rolo107

And Call of Duty is also a platformer because you can jump, right?

[QUOTE="Yandere"]

[QUOTE="enterawesome"] 1: All the RPGs I've ever played make fighting mandatory, just like Mass Effect. So with this logic, all RPGs... aren't RPGs?spinecaton

I'm saying that Mass Effect is a RPG TPS, I'm not saying it isn't a RPG.

So pretty much every RPG is a hybrid because you do two things, develop character and story(RPG) and attack things(action, turn base strategy, shooter)?

What type of RPG mostly always depends upon the combat, so I don't know what your trying to point out.