If Kinect fails, Microsoft's investors will pressure them to leave the industry.

[QUOTE="markinthedark"]

[QUOTE="Pug-Nasty"]

It's not hard to keep your hands out of the cookie jar when it's empty. That's the point, if they're not successful there are no cookies to grab.

Pug-Nasty

luckily they are actually massively successful as i have pointed out before.

In a lot of ways they are, but your gas station analogy doesn't really work. What are supposed to be the gas stations here, 360s sold? Because a 360 sold does not equal equity for MS, it equals a sale. Opening another gas station means the value of the land, building, equipment, and inventory are part of your assets, which can be sold for cash. Increasing the 360s userbase equals more potential for software sales and subscription fees, but proper management is needed to capitalize on that. In the case of the gas stations, it's a straight cash value scenario, and it's easily measurable.

thats the point. I was trying to give an easy to understand basic business example. In the case of 360 you have alot of that value tied up in more foreign and difficult to understand concepts. Which is why i said i didnt have time to offer a proper business lesson.

[QUOTE="Blaze-Agent"]

[QUOTE="mayceV"]it won't fail. It's being to widely acclaimed. yeah you can bring up a few links of instances where some press hate on kinect but I can bring 5 positive links for each negative one you post. I hate that MS even though of kinect, I gotta live with it though. They're doing more than kinect atleast. PC and 360 both have Decentlineups frm them and MS is opening up more studios to meet the demand of games. I just hate it because Rare is being put on it. I honestly blame gamers for what happened to Rare. PDZ, VP, and BK N&B were all great. maybe not as great as N64 hits but they were some of the best games of thier years. Atleast BK4 and PD2 are both rumoured for 2011. However I fear Kinect might be required :( .LucidJubilation

Wide Acclamation does not lead to long term sucess., Pricing is key and they got it all wrong. With the device and the games.

i think you're the one thast's got it all wrong friend lol. we're going to see inthe coming months. but u seem like u have issues with MS and Kinect thats making you say and think in some stupid ways lol.

YEs i doi have issues with this current Microsoft and their over priced Kinect. Just watch and see my friend. Like i said before, if it wasnr because microsoft was supporting this thing, i can almost guarantee that no one will care for it. You only support it because you are in love with the company not because of what it might actually do for you.

I don't know why they don't just implement it for their next console and not test the waters by introducing something not ordinary to their current console. But whatever. I guess it gets the platform out there for development.

[QUOTE="Blaze-Agent"]

[QUOTE="waltefmoney"]

Microsoft investors saw more profits than Sony investors this gen. Does that mean Sony is leaving too?

EG101

YEs but like i stated earlier they have not made enough money to get the division out of thered. Secondly we dont know how much they are pouring into Kinect. Sony is no longer losing money.. However they have lost over 4 billion dollars. THats about all; the profit they made with their playstation brand.(yes includes Ps1 and ps2 and even the psp) They are hoping that bluray sales will make the investment worthwhile in the long run.

You have NO idea what your talking about. As MS has stated in financial reports the Xbox has been in the black for a few years now.

Just off of Xbox Live MS is banking 1.2 Billion dollars a year. This does not include sales of consoles, controllers, Hard drives, wireless mics, Halo, Gears, Fable, Forza, all which have sold multiple millions of copies hell even Lost Odyssey sold a million copies. Remember MS also makes money off of 3rd party games. Now add in the profits from the rest of the Xbox line and you will see that MS has been making a ton of money on the Xbox.

here is the Link: http://www.thetechherald.com/article.php/201027/5844/Gold-accounts-alive-and-well-as-Xbox-Live-rakes-in-1-2-billion

WOw you act as if the same can't be said for sony. This is too funny. Remove Halo and Gears from the equation. And all those games you listed barely crack 2 million without bundles. Except for fable which is a 3.5 million seller.

Oh and Revenue does not equal profit my friend. If that were the case Sony would be making close to 68 billion dollars a year. But thats not the case

I wouldn't call them entering the console buisness poor or lackluster at all. They've cut themselves out a considerable chunk of the videogame pie for basically just starting. they're not in last...

[QUOTE="LucidJubilation"]

[QUOTE="Blaze-Agent"]

Wide Acclamation does not lead to long term sucess., Pricing is key and they got it all wrong. With the device and the games.

Blaze-Agent

i think you're the one thast's got it all wrong friend lol. we're going to see inthe coming months. but u seem like u have issues with MS and Kinect thats making you say and think in some stupid ways lol.

YEs i doi have issues with this current Microsoft and their over priced Kinect. Just watch and see my friend. Like i said before, if it wasnr because microsoft was supporting this thing, i can almost guarantee that no one will care for it. You only support it because you are in love with the company not because of what it might actually do for you.

lol...what? ur in a little to into this buddy...doesnt meant everybody else is to. don't write back.

sooo next gen will be apple instead of MS?

Half-Way

I'm kinda hoping Sega gets back in it.

Doesn't Kinect have a very large number of pre orders?R3FURBISHED

I wouldn't call them entering the console buisness poor or lackluster at all. They've cut themselves out a considerable chunk of the videogame pie for basically just starting. they're not in last...

iBear-

Or they've managed to sell two 360's to the same crowd that got an XBox 1, give or take a handful million.

[QUOTE="Locutus_Picard"]I expect a few million. Which is quite optimistic for an add-on, but marketing junk can go a loooong way.R3FURBISHED

Except Kinect is not an add-on. The HD-DVD player was an add on, Kinect is being treated like an entirely new console release and will receive treatment as such.

You are also basing your assumptions on nothing, just FYI. :)

Kinect and Move are add-ons. There is no denying that.

As long as XBL is raking in the dough, there will be no reason for MS to leave the industry.

As long as XBL is raking in the dough, there will be no reason for MS to leave the industry.

tbolt76

[QUOTE="EG101"]

[QUOTE="Blaze-Agent"]

YEs but like i stated earlier they have not made enough money to get the division out of thered. Secondly we dont know how much they are pouring into Kinect. Sony is no longer losing money.. However they have lost over 4 billion dollars. THats about all; the profit they made with their playstation brand.(yes includes Ps1 and ps2 and even the psp) They are hoping that bluray sales will make the investment worthwhile in the long run.

Blaze-Agent

You have NO idea what your talking about. As MS has stated in financial reports the Xbox has been in the black for a few years now.

Just off of Xbox Live MS is banking 1.2 Billion dollars a year. This does not include sales of consoles, controllers, Hard drives, wireless mics, Halo, Gears, Fable, Forza, all which have sold multiple millions of copies hell even Lost Odyssey sold a million copies. Remember MS also makes money off of 3rd party games. Now add in the profits from the rest of the Xbox line and you will see that MS has been making a ton of money on the Xbox.

here is the Link: http://www.thetechherald.com/article.php/201027/5844/Gold-accounts-alive-and-well-as-Xbox-Live-rakes-in-1-2-billion

WOw you act as if the same can't be said for sony. This is too funny. Remove Halo and Gears from the equation. And all those games you listed barely crack 2 million without bundles. Except for fable which is a 3.5 million seller.

Oh and Revenue does not equal profit my friend. If that were the case Sony would be making close to 68 billion dollars a year. But thats not the case

[QUOTE="Blaze-Agent"]

[QUOTE="EG101"]

You have NO idea what your talking about. As MS has stated in financial reports the Xbox has been in the black for a few years now.

Just off of Xbox Live MS is banking 1.2 Billion dollars a year. This does not include sales of consoles, controllers, Hard drives, wireless mics, Halo, Gears, Fable, Forza, all which have sold multiple millions of copies hell even Lost Odyssey sold a million copies. Remember MS also makes money off of 3rd party games. Now add in the profits from the rest of the Xbox line and you will see that MS has been making a ton of money on the Xbox.

here is the Link: http://www.thetechherald.com/article.php/201027/5844/Gold-accounts-alive-and-well-as-Xbox-Live-rakes-in-1-2-billion

MFDOOM1983

WOw you act as if the same can't be said for sony. This is too funny. Remove Halo and Gears from the equation. And all those games you listed barely crack 2 million without bundles. Except for fable which is a 3.5 million seller.

Oh and Revenue does not equal profit my friend. If that were the case Sony would be making close to 68 billion dollars a year. But thats not the case

link for those numbers.